Folding Bikes - Help me pick a multimode folder

Ok, I've been reading about folding bikes for a few months now and it's finally time for me to purchase one.

I need a bike for my multimode commute. On a daily basis I plan on taking it with me on the bus before riding 1-5 miles at the other end to my job (rain or shine). On weekends I'd like to take it on the bus to go shopping at stores that are a little too far from the bus stop (1-2 miles). On occasion I'd also like to take it on railroad, light rail, and subway. I also currently fly very frequently, but the way the airlines are going I wouldn't be surprised if I found myself shopping for collapsible shoes in the near future (so I don't want to base my purchase on air compatibility).

I don't plan on riding for fun or leisure and, as you can see, I don't really plan on riding much at all. Therefore, a major factor for me is speed and ease of folding. In addition, ability to roll while folded is a must and nonminiscule wheels to deal with potholes and city streets (sidewalks, curbs, etc) are a must. From my research the top contenders are (along with my impressions):

Carry-Me (http://www.pacific-cycles.com, hard to find documents specs (http://leroybrown.glassmelter.com/files/carry-me%20DM02.pdf) and manual (http://leroybrown.glassmelter.com/files/Carry-me%20owner%27s%20manual-s.pdf)):
-Tiny 8" wheels (might even be too small).
-Very compact and manageable fold (35"x12"x11")
-Very light (7.5kg)
-Carrier rack, but no fenders.
-$500 price
-Available at specialty shops.

Mobiky (http://www.mobikyusa.com):
-Only 12" wheels (better than 8", but still small).
-Three gears (good for small hills).
-Not so compact fold (32"x25"x12")
-Heavy (13.4kg)
-Fenders, but no carrier rack.
-$600 price
-Wide availability.

Strida (http://www.strida.com):
-Big 16" wheels.
-Single speed.
-Compact and manageable fold. (45"x20"x9")
-Light (10kg)
-Both carrier rack and fenders.
-Unknown price (probably close to $500 after price hike).
-No official availability.

Based on the above features alone, the Strida and the Carryme are much more desirable than the Mobiky (ironic, considering that the Mobiky is the most widely sold). However, there are a number of additional considerations which I don't know how to interpret:

-Strida advertises that their bikes are very low maintenance, the Carryme appears to be high maintenance (high pressure tyres require frequent inflation, metal parts require lubrication), and the Mobiky seems to be in between. I don't really want to have to worry about a lot of maintenance (it's one of the reasons I don't drive). Can one of you experts comment on how much of a true difference there is in required maintenance between these three bikes?

-Strida advertises a 10 second fold, Mobiky advertises a 3 second fold, and Carryme advertises "folds in seconds". However, from videos I have seen the Strida appears to fold much more quickly and easily than the Mobiky (I haven't seen any videos for the Carryme). Can someone that has used these bikes comment on the actual folding time, particularly how they compare with each other?

-I don't know anything about bikes and I don't know anything about quality parts. How do these three bikes compare with each other in terms of build quality and quality of parts?

-I know that the best thing for me to do is to just try each bike and pick the one I like best. However, I can't find a dealer which has all three models in stock, much less a local one where I can test ride. How can I make the decision about which one to buy without being able to compare test rides? Moreover, how can I decide whether the Strida is even worth pursuing (since they are so hard to find) without having tried it?

-Lastly, in your opinions, are there any other significant factors or eligible bikes that I'm forgetting?

Have you considered Brompton?

Don't have one myself yet, but it will roll while folded, at least if you get the extra roller kit, it has a reputation for overall quality, will fold small and quickly, and the front luggage carrying system should be good for shopping. The down side is that even their cheapest model, without any add-ons, is around $650.

In much of the USA, you'll have trouble finding local bike shops with any folders in stock, maybe a few low end Dahons. There are some Brompton dealers around, see this list, for example. http://tinyurl.com/y347u7 Some large cities do have bike shops with a good selection of folders. I take it you've checked the yellow pages and called around.

Have you considered Brompton?

Don't have one myself yet, but it will roll while folded, at least if you get the extra roller kit, it has a reputation for overall quality, will fold small and quickly, and the front luggage carrying system should be good for shopping. The down side is that even their cheapest model, without any add-ons, is around $650.

In much of the USA, you'll have trouble finding local bike shops with any folders in stock, maybe a few low end Dahons. There are some Brompton dealers around, see this list, for example. http://tinyurl.com/y347u7 Some large cities do have bike shops with a good selection of folders. I take it you've checked the yellow pages and called around.

I haven't tried a Brompton in person, but from the videos I've seen they appear to be more cumbersome to fold and handle while folded than the three bikes cited above. It also doesn't look like it rolls very well on those roller wheels (which makes all the difference when trying to slip/bounce up and down the stairs of a bus) and the utility of the carrier rack is severely limited by the fact that you can't leave anything on it when the bike is folded.

I mean, look at the difference in awkwardness (if you want to push with the handle bars):
http://strida.co.uk/media/galleries/bike_new/foldqrbleft.jpg
http://www.bromptonbicycle.co.uk/home/_images/popOut/fold5.jpg

Then there is the price. It just doesn't make any sense to me to buy a Brompton when I could import a Strida 5.0 from Taiwan for the same price (even after the astronomical shipping charge). Even if the Brompton is a higher quality bike, it seems to be lacking in the areas which are most important to me. Am I a fool for not putting a priority on a quality build and good parts? Is a Strida 5.0 that much worse than a mid-end brompton for regular biking?

In terms of compromise between ride quality and foldability/compactness, Strida seems like your best option (ever buy 8" or 12" tires and tubes?). A few complaints documented here about the Strida is the potential for the belt to skip when pedaling hard; the plastic bottom bracket which they say may feel flexy when pedaling; the sluggishness of the ride due to the plastic rim option; the initial ride squirrel-iness. However, they've also said Strida has rectified many of these problems/limitation mechanically, but there are still personal aesthetics, of course. It also still looks like a large package to me when folded, and I couldn't see myself sitting with it anywhere on a bus except for in the seats reserved for the elderly and disabled.

In any case, when Strida was available in the U.S., they had a 30 day money back guarantee so that's one way to test all this stuff out. civagroup says they will be available in 2007; hopefully they'll offer the same guarantee. I think the price is also going up.

This is a good thread because the OP would fair better with the Strida when it comes to miltimode commuting with the bus. However, who knows when the Strida will be available again and shipping costs from China will bring the bike close to $1,000.00 USD or more! So the Strida is out of the question.

The Brompton is the best choice in this case. I agree with your assertion that rolling the Brompton around on it's rollers will draw quite a few "STARES" but this happens to be the only way to move the bike around without having to physically carry it.

I don't know about those other small wheel folders and their reliability is questionable. I happen to like the A Bike (www.abike-shop.com) and I'm really thinking of getting one for a very short 1.5 mile commute involving the bus. However, I'm not going to carry groceries or I'd have to choose a larger folder with 16 inch wheels. What worries me about these small wheel folders are parts that wear out. Where do you find them?? The second thing that worries me is night riding which would be very dangerous since a pot hole or large crack could send you straight to the ground. These small wheels are for day time riding only.

I agree with Dahon Steve about the Brompton being your best choice, makeinu. I own one (a simple C type lightly accessorized), plus another 16 inch Dahon Piccolo, and a Dahon Boardwalk which I share with my sister at times. I commute mainly on buses but occaisionly on lightrail and commuter trains. I tend to favor my Brompton the most for multi-modal commuting on all sorts of situations whether on the bus or just straight riding on various terrain. I do wheel the Piccolo and the Brompton about semi-folded and I could care less what others think of it just as long as the bike does not run over their toes! Any of my bikes could-and has been in the past-be pressed in for some very strange emergency situations if need be and that is the number one reason that I cannot stress more for keeping nothing smaller than 16 inch for any type of riding. You will never know until you are faced with a unforseen given situation how these little flexible wonders save your you-know-what.

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Well I have got a brompton and a strida, and for your criteria (multimodal) the strida will hit the sweet spot. However i'm talking Strida3 ..... some folk's experience of Stridas 1 & 2 are seriously in need of updates .... only about 6 years out of date :-)

Since I'm one of the few who have actually ridden a Carry-Me, makeinu asked, off-forum me to comment here.
The Carry-Me is a fascinating piece of engineering, but I wouldn't want to ride one more than a mile at a time. And then only on decent surfaces.

I've never ridden a Strida or Mobiky. But I keep my bikes a long time and I would never consider anything with as many pivot points to wear as the Mobiky.

For MultiModal use as described by makeinu I'd get the Brompton and replace the little casters with roller blade wheels. Unless the Strida is a lot better bike than it looks.

From what you describe, sounds like a Brompton-like folder is the best bet. We have an older Brompton and a Merc. Both are good for short rides and commuting. Merc is the better value. If you want a "suped-up" version, you can contact Anita at Merc.

You could also check out the new Dahon catalog (http://dahon.com/) available as a link on their home page. You might see something of interest, particularly their new Curve, which might be their best model for multi-modal transportation.

Look guys, I know all about Bromptons, Dahons, etc. Those were the first bikes I considered, but I discounted them because they are either too difficult to fold, too difficult to manuever once folded, or too expensive.

I know most of you are very serious about biking long distances, but I hope to never ride this bike more than 5 miles at a time.

1. I want a bike that won't be a burden, if I take it with me, but end up lugging it around instead of riding it.
2. I want a bike that can handle a 5 miles each way daily commute.

Let me make reiterate what I've already tried to express: The Strida is obviously the best balance of these two criteria. The Brompton errs on the side of rideability instead of luggability, but I don't think it's worth the premium. The Mobiky and Carryme err on the side of luggability and their prices aren't exhorbitant. Therefore, I've narrowed down my selection to the following choices:
-Seek out a Strida
-Get a Carryme
-Get a Mobiky

Unless there are other bikes very similar to these bikes I'm pretty sure I want to limit my selection to these three (in my mind, Bromptons and Dahons are not very similar to these three). However, I'm having a tough time deciding which of these three options to choose due to uncertainty about maintanence, actual folding time, build quality, and test rides, as detailed in the OP.

Although I appreciate everyone's input, on other bike brands. I created this thread primarily to gather information, comparisons, and opinions of the three bikes mentioned.

I don't know about those other small wheel folders and their reliability is questionable. I happen to like the A Bike (www.abike-shop.com) and I'm really thinking of getting one for a very short 1.5 mile commute involving the bus. However, I'm not going to carry groceries or I'd have to choose a larger folder with 16 inch wheels. What worries me about these small wheel folders are parts that wear out. Where do you find them?? The second thing that worries me is night riding which would be very dangerous since a pot hole or large crack could send you straight to the ground. These small wheels are for day time riding only.

Why go straight from a peewee like the A-bike to a full 16 incher? Why not consider a compromise like the Carryme or Mobiky (I know the answer for the Strida, "because you can't get them" :) )


The Carry-Me is a fascinating piece of engineering, but I wouldn't want to ride one more than a mile at a time. And then only on decent surfaces.

That's what people are saying about the A-bike. It seems to me like the Carryme should perform quite a bit better than the A-bike. Do you disagree?

..... some folk's experience of Stridas 1 & 2 are seriously in need of updates .... only about 6 years out of date :-)
What specifically, then, needs updating?

The Mobiky folds to the size of a Brompton and is heavier. It doesn't roll particularly well when folded. It rides better than I expected but I'd pick a Brompton every time.
The Strida is OK and I guess it is a reasonably close fit to the requirements (but what a big fold).
Haven't ridden the other option.

Maintenance is virtually irrelevant for any of these machines. As you keep saying, you aren't going to ride them very far.

Have you actually ridden and folded any folder? You may change your mind on what you consider important in a folder. 5 miles is a fair way to ride a 'toy bike'. How are you going to get your shopping home on any of these bikes?

Its all about choosing THE best mode for YOUR circumstances. At one extreme some folk use their folders for riding long distances and hardly ever fold or transport them when folded, at the other extreme - (where I believe the questioner is is coming from), the journey may involve several fold/unfolds and much walking + carrying / wheeling the folded bike. Of the 2 folders I regularly use, the Brompton fits the 1st catagory, (but is slower to fold and tough to lug about eg bashed legs). The Strida fits the 2nd catagory (but is slower for long distances due to single speed). Strida is longer than others - it folds long and thin - but that is its point - you dont have to carry it -its long enough to fit between ground and hand !

Strida3 is almost totally different from Strida 2 - with a much stiffer frame and better handling. The Video Thread (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=257745)posted by James shows the differences very clearly.... Thanks James !! There was also a bike there similar to the carry-me, but with smaller wheels.

I want a bike that won't be a burden, if I take it with me, but end up lugging it around instead of riding it.

I am afraid all folding bikes are a burden when you are not riding them – but it is true that some are greater encumbrances than others.

Due to the fact that you cannot carry out a comparative test, I would have thought the opinions of other riders with experience and detailed knowledge of the pros and cons of folding bikes in various multi-modal contexts is something to consider, even when it does not dovetail with your own selection criteria. Moreover, as it was you who canvassed people for their views on different models, I am surprised you dismiss them so easily:


Lastly, in your opinions, are there any other significant factors or eligible bikes that I'm forgetting?


I will ignore all of your sweeping generalisations but one (regarding the Brompton), as they are OT:


I discounted them because they are either too difficult to fold, [and] too difficult to manuever once folded

For your information, my nine year old neighbour can fold (quickly, I might add) and wheel a Brompton….

I will also not question the modus operandi that you have employed with regard to the short-list, even though I think it is flawed. That said, a stick folder seems reasonable enough given your requirements. To take full advantage of a stick folder, I take it that you have already considered how often you will need to a) fold the bike, b) wheel the bike, c) where you will be wheeling the bike, and d) what distances (10metres, 100metres etc) you will be covering when having to transport the bike. If you are going to be covering longer distances on foot regularly, wheeling is the major plus of the Strida, and to a lesser extent the Mobiky, but if you do not have to wheel the bike any great distances, stick folders are less attractive propositions.

How tall are you? This is something to consider with all of the stick folders you have listed. I know from experience that the Strida is best suited for people under six-foot. I am 6ft 2” and was not comfortable with the riding position.

Although a 5 mile max commute may not seem far, if you opt for a single geared folder such as the Carry Me or Strida (with a lowish ratio) it is probably better to think how long this journey will take you in minutes. On a Carry Me it may take 30 mins or longer, on a Strida it will probably take less time. This is a reasonable amount of saddle time, particularly if your roads are not too great. I am also guessing that you are not going to be tackling any steepish gradients? I would contend that none of the three bikes you have shortlisted will be suitable for out of the saddle riding. What’s more, super-small wheels and poorly maintained asphalt are not a good mix.

IMO, the Strida should offer the best ride due to its larger diameter wheels. I know this consideration is not at the top of your list of preferences, but the comfort of the ride is important as you will probably spend more time cycling than wheeling.

Why is folding time an issue – I am interested? Most bikes can be done anywhere between 15 and 30 secs (some faster) but for most people this is far less of a factor than the ride, size of the fold, portability etc.

In terms of maintenance, the Strida should be the best bet, but if anything goes wrong will your lbs be able to deal with it? I doubt anyone will be able to give you much detail on the durability of the Mobiky and Carry Me as both bikes are relatively new on the folding bike scene. Also the issue of proprietary parts should be factored into the equation.

If you are riding "rain or shine", keep in mind that none of your choices have effective mudguards.

I am surprised that you think the Brompton is a difficult fold or carry. As with any bike buy probably best to try out your varying options before buying.

I am afraid all folding bikes are a burden when you are not riding them – but it is true that some are greater encumbrances than others.

Due to the fact that you cannot carry out a comparative test, I would have thought the opinions of other riders with experience and detailed knowledge of the pros and cons of folding bikes in various multi-modal contexts is something to consider, even when it does not dovetail with your own selection criteria. Moreover, as it was you who canvassed people for their views on different models, I am surprised you dismiss them so easily:

I don't mean to be dismissive, it just appears to me that most people around here are looking for something different then what I am looking for.


For your information, my nine year old neighbour can fold (quickly, I might add) and wheel a Brompton….

I'm sure your nine year old neighbor can quickly take my current nonfolder out of my basement too, but I never do because I don't think it's worth the hassle.


I will also not question the modus operandi that you have employed with regard to the short-list, even though I think it is flawed.

Please don't spare me the criticism. I'd like to know exactly how my modus operandi is flawed. I'd rather have hurt feelings now and a better bicycle later.


IMO, the Strida should offer the best ride due to its larger diameter wheels. I know this consideration is not at the top of your list of preferences, but the comfort of the ride is important as you will probably spend more time cycling than wheeling.

Ok, point taken.


Why is folding time an issue – I am interested? Most bikes can be done anywhere between 15 and 30 secs (some faster) but for most people this is far less of a factor than the ride, size of the fold, portability etc.

I want it to be quick enough so that I can arrive at the bus stop just as the bus is arriving, fold it, and get on. 30 seconds is long enough for the bus to come and go, leaving me in the dust.


In terms of maintenance, the Strida should be the best bet, but if anything goes wrong will your lbs be able to deal with it? I doubt anyone will be able to give you much detail on the durability of the Mobiky and Carry Me as both bikes are relatively new on the folding bike scene. Also the issue of proprietary parts should be factored into the equation.

Thanks.

Not too sure whether you want this information ...

My wife is 5'4" and 110 lbs dripping wet. She regularly commutes with the Merc--she prefers it over the old Brompton. I put on roller blade wheels on the back and she wheels it upstairs to our apartment as well as well as her office (with the seatpost extended). She has no complaints about transporting the bike this way. The bike is ~26 pounds in its present configuration (with bells and whistles). She would agree with you in that she rather not carry the bike very far ... although with the bag and shoulder strap, she says that it is more than manageable. She does not ride the bus; but she does ride the Metro with the bike. However, to get into the DC Metro, one does not have to carry the bike. She is a klutz, so folding the bike took her a minute the first week. However, she now folds and unfolds the bike under 15 seconds. Note that the front bag with the Brompton/Merc can remain on the bike and be wheeled; although it does make the fold bigger.

Anyway, I am no champion of the Merc/Brompton. But as a multimodal commuter, it has served us well.

Please don't spare me the criticism. I'd like to know exactly how my modus operandi is flawed. I'd rather have hurt feelings now and a better bicycle later.

You posted:


Therefore, a major factor for me is speed and ease of folding. In addition, ability to roll while folded is a must and nonminiscule wheels to deal with potholes and city streets (sidewalks, curbs, etc) are a must. From my research the top contenders are (along with my impressions):

From your criteria I cannot see why you picked the Carry Me (8" wheels) and Mobiky (12" wheels) as their ability to negotiate potholes and curbs will be very poor. Both of these bikes will not handle the conditions you describe at all well. Once you get below 16" (305s) the ride is always going to be compromised. The Strida is the only option I can understand. Personally, I would have plumped for the Strida, Brompton and Airframe (although getting hold of the latter bike in the US would be difficult).

My point about my young neighbour is that the Brompton/Merc is straigthforward to fold (far less troublesome than the Birdy). It can be wheeled reasonably easy, lifted (depending on your strength of course), and you can carry it on your shoulder with the rear end tucked under (this was my preferred method when running for a train).


I want it to be quick enough so that I can arrive at the bus stop just as the bus is arriving, fold it, and get on. 30 seconds is long enough for the bus to come and go, leaving me in the dust.

I wish my timing could be so well coordinated with our trains and buses. Generally speaking and with practice, you should be able to fold nearly all folders in less than 30 secs. If you are operating to tighter tolerances than this, perhaps you should work on your time-management;)

At the risk of a wide-spread pillorying... Why not get a scooter?

A scooter will ride at about 6-8mph, so it's over twice as fast as walking. It's cheap, light, easy to fold, easy to store, much easier to take on a train than any folding bike, requires minimal maintenance, and should be fine for your expected distances.

It seems like a more appropriate solution than a folding bike for your needs.

At the risk of a wide-spread pillorying... Why not get a scooter?

A scooter will ride at about 6-8mph, so it's over twice as fast as walking. It's cheap, light, easy to fold, easy to store, much easier to take on a train than any folding bike, requires minimal maintenance, and should be fine for your expected distances.

It seems like a more appropriate solution than a folding bike for your needs.

Although I have a few folding bikes, I also have a Xootr scooter and would agree that it would be ideal for most short hops on and off buses... I use mine regularly for 3 to 4 mile flat area runs and it is a practical, fun solution when I'm not going far... there is a Yahoo group devoted to Xootr... lots of info from people who commute with them..

Bruce

From your criteria I cannot see why you picked the Carry Me (8" wheels) and Mobiky (12" wheels) as their ability to negotiate potholes and curbs will be very poor. Both of these bikes will not handle the conditions you describe at all well. Once you get below 16" (305s) the ride is always going to be compromised. The Strida is the only option I can understand. Personally, I would have plumped for the Strida, Brompton and Airframe (although getting hold of the latter bike in the US would be difficult).
I'm perfectly willing to compromise the ride. That's the whole idea, I want a compromise between rideability and luggability.

I mentioned that bit about potholes and curbs (by curbs I meant curbs with ramps, not jumping over full sized curbs) for the very reason that I'm not sure about the 8" and 12" wheel sizes. I'm willing to deal with poor ability to negotiate them as long as it isn't dangerous or impossible (as it seems it would be with the 6 inchers on the A-bike). Would you say 8" wheels would be dangerous on city streets? If so, then perhaps the Strida is truely my only option. Although, I recently spoke with a bike dealer who told me that the Strida is built like crap and wears out very quickly and easily. From reading people's experiences online, it seems like that might be true and I'm actually surprised no one has mentioned it in this thread. Do you think the Strida isn't very durable?


I wish my timing could be so well coordinated with our trains and buses. Generally speaking and with practice, you should be able to fold nearly all folders in less than 30 secs. If you are operating to tighter tolerances than this, perhaps you should work on your time-management;)
The timing isn't well coordinated at all, which is why I need to be ready whenever the bus actually comes, not 30 seconds after. The traffic is bad enough in this part of the city that you can see the bus coming down the block and have a solid 60 seconds before it gets to the nearest stop. If I miss it, it's easy enough to run ahead to the next stop and catch it (due to congestion). I'm afraid a 30 second fold would make me lose this ability. Especially when compared to bikes which not only fold in under 10 seconds, but can also be folded while walking/running to the next stop, such as the Strida or Mobiky (which can be folded while rolling) or the Carryme (which is probably light enough to fold while holding in the air).


At the risk of a wide-spread pillorying... Why not get a scooter?

A scooter will ride at about 6-8mph, so it's over twice as fast as walking. It's cheap, light, easy to fold, easy to store, much easier to take on a train than any folding bike, requires minimal maintenance, and should be fine for your expected distances.

It seems like a more appropriate solution than a folding bike for your needs.
Although I have a few folding bikes, I also have a Xootr scooter and would agree that it would be ideal for most short hops on and off buses... I use mine regularly for 3 to 4 mile flat area runs and it is a practical, fun solution when I'm not going far... there is a Yahoo group devoted to Xootr... lots of info from people who commute with them..

Bruce
See, here is something I don't understand. How could a scooter with ~8" wheels and no gearing at all be recommended for 3-4 mile trips and 6-8 mph speeds, but a bike like the Carryme be unsuitable for the same kinds of trips?

Wouldn't you think that the gearing and the fact that you can sit on the bike would at least double the distance and speed?

No scooter will beat an adult designed bike in either distance or speed (though both distance and speed are relative, and assuming the rider/operator has good fitness). They're just convenient through foot traffic and other congested areas, fold quickly, and are light. Xootr is the best in terms of scooters, said with bias of course.

If you are planning on spending more time pushing your bike around than riding it, go for a Strida. If you are riding your bike more than folding or carrying it folded, get a brompton or similar (I have a Merc as well as a Brompton) and you will be a happier folder user.

Small wheel are bumpy to ride, very fast responding to hand movement and not fun to ride out of optimum ground conditions. A Brompton is, by far, the best you can get from both worlds (foldability vs ride like a "real"bike").

I believe you have enough information now to make your decision. Please come back and let us know what you got. Then, again, one month later.

makeinu,

Another thing that I should have asked you what country are you located? Some of the bikes you mentioned are very hard to find here in the United States or simply not available here. You are speaking to a global group here.

In my part of the world, we don't see any folding bike smaller than a 14 inch Dahon Sweet Pea. If you want something smaller, we use skateboards. I used one in high school and college-before I even heard about folders.

Carry-Me (http://www.pacific-cycles.com, hard to find documents specs (http://leroybrown.glassmelter.com/files/carry-me%20DM02.pdf) and manual (http://leroybrown.glassmelter.com/files/Carry-me%20owner%27s%20manual-s.pdf)):
-Tiny 8" wheels (might even be too small).
-Very compact and manageable fold (35"x12"x11")
-Very light (7.5kg)
-Carrier rack, but no fenders.
-$500 price
-Available at specialty shops.

Mobiky (http://www.mobikyusa.com):
-Only 12" wheels (better than 8", but still small).
-Three gears (good for small hills).
-Not so compact fold (32"x25"x12")
-Heavy (13.4kg)
-Fenders, but no carrier rack.
-$600 price
-Wide availability.

Strida (http://www.strida.com):
-Big 16" wheels.
-Single speed.
-Compact and manageable fold. (45"x20"x9")
-Light (10kg)
-Both carrier rack and fenders.
-Unknown price (probably close to $500 after price hike).
-No official availability.


Just wondering where I can get a Mobiky at $600? Most of dealers are selling it at $699 plus $89 for a carry bag. FYI, Strida 3 at Strida.ca (http://www.strida.ca), $549 with free bag with free shipping.

WHat about the rumors of a 16" Mobiky spotted at a convention or something? That would be something to consider too...

That's what people are saying about the A-bike. It seems to me like the Carryme should perform quite a bit better than the A-bike. Do you disagree?I've never ridden the A Bike so I can't compare them. I do know that I would find 5-10 miles per day on a Carry-Me to be quite unpleasant. I can't imagine getting many miles out of a set of tires either.

The US distributor is a friend of mine and he sees the best market for them to be students living in on-campus dormatories. Just enough bike to get around a college campus, yet they could fit under the bed in a crowded room.

Seems to me the perfect bike for you would be a Strida like vehicle designed and built by Pacific.

WHat about the rumors of a 16" Mobiky spotted at a convention or something? That would be something to consider too...

No sign of it in the UK - we will have to wait and see. It does sound like a potential Strida competitor in the making...

Hopefully Mobiky will be able to do something about the hight limit of 5ft 11" too.

Ok, so I've basically ruled out the Mobiky. It has a very quick fold, but it's too big and heavy when folded.

So that leaves the Carryme and the Strida. Strida's new US distributor is now selling them for $525 a pop (performance kit included, full assembly except seat and rack included, free shipping), which is pretty pricey for a bike whose plastic parts seem to wear out too quickly (problems which the manufacturer obviously recognizes by virtue of the Strida 5 redesign, but is unwilling to to sell outside of asia, even though the price of Strida3s in the West is the same as that of Strida5s in the East).

I spoke to a shop owner today who has ridden both the Carryme and the Strida (I contacted him because I knew he had a Carryme in stock). He said, "The Strida is the most unrideable bike I've ever ridden and it folds into a very large and cumbersome shape. The Carryme is a specialty bike and, although I will sell it to you if that's what you want, I'll try my best to talk you out of it. I wouldn't ride either bike for more than a block." When I told him about the US distribution problems for Strida and the fact that he's the only person I've ever heard give the Strida such a negative review he told me that, "Strida is probably lying about the distribution problem to build hype and Strida owners have convinced themselves that the bike rides much better than it really does because of its nice asthetics."

On the other hand, a guy from the A-bike web forum claims to have ridden his A-bike 50km from York to Leeds (http://a-bike-owner.blogspot.com/) and 2-5km daily commutes on the A-bike seem to be par for the members of that forum. The A-bike has almost the same gear size as the Carryme, but the Carryme has bigger 8" wheels (A-bike only 6"), a better seat, better handlebars, and a more spacious and standard frame.

There are Xootr scooter owners, many of which ride 2-3 miles at a time just pushing the scooter on 7" wheels.

Then there are you guys, who give glowing reviews of the Strida, but balk at the idea of wheels less than 16".

I was hoping that I could find some consistency among cyclists about the usability of general design choices, but there is such a wide variety of conflicting views out there that I don't know who to believe. Quite frankly, I don't believe anyone. I think the guy from the cycle store is telling me that Carrymes and Stridas are crap so he can earn a fat commision by selling me a Brompton for $1000; I think the people in the A-bike forum are just trying to make themselves feel better after wasting their money on a toy; I think Xootr owners are too willing to seek out smooth surfaces; and I think you guys are unrealistically pessimistic about small wheels and too willing to fix your own broken Stridas.

I have a hard time believing that there can be such large differences in opinion about the rideability of certain kinds of bikes. I feel like I should be able to get a general idea about the max riding distance for a bike with 6" wheels and 40 gear inches. However, for reasons beyond my understanding I have one person telling me that the max riding distance is 1 block, another 1 mile, and another 30 miles.

Should I just buy both bikes, try them both, and return the one I don't like (or both)? It will cost me about $40 extra to do this.

Why go straight from a peewee like the A-bike to a full 16 incher? Why not consider a compromise like the Carryme or Mobiky (I know the answer for the Strida, "because you can't get them" :) )



That's what people are saying about the A-bike. It seems to me like the Carryme should perform quite a bit better than the A-bike. Do you disagree?

A 16 inch folder will be much better when carrying groceries. Bikes like the Brompton are engineered for shopping while the Carryme or Mobiky will require wearing a backpack. You will be very uncomfortable riding either the Carryme, Mobiky or A bike for five miles. Those are ultra-portable bikes designed for 1 miles or less. Maybe 2 miles but that would be the extent.

The Carryme should perform better than the A-Bike but not much better. How many times do you figure you'll be riding 5 miles each month?

I like the A-Bike because it's ultra light but not so light that you'll enjoy carrying it all day long. I did see one young man riding that bike across a parking lot at 12 mph! He was riding about as fast as I would ride on my Dahon Presto so that bike can go as fast as a normal bike.

A 16 inch folder will be much better when carrying groceries. Bikes like the Brompton are engineered for shopping while the Carryme or Mobiky will require wearing a backpack. You will be very uncomfortable riding either the Carryme, Mobiky or A bike for five miles. Those are ultra-portable bikes designed for 1 miles or less. Maybe 2 miles but that would be the extent.
I honestly don't see how 2 miles could possibly be the limit as that is almost my max limit for walking. Then there are scooters, which I don't have any experience with, but which I'm certain need to extend that limit further. Then there are these minifolders, which I also don't have any experience with, but judging from my experience with full sized scooters vs fixed-gear bikes, I'm certain these minifolders have to be at least twice as efficient as the little scooters. Two miles for the minifolders just doesn't make sense to me. I don't mean to insult your expertise, as you obviously know more about folders than I do, but is it possible that you just have high standards for how comfortable a bike ride should be?

What you said about shopping/groceries, however, is a pretty convincing argument against the minifolders in my opinion.


The Carryme should perform better than the A-Bike but not much better. How many times do you figure you'll be riding 5 miles each month?
It's hard to say, but the more I ride the bike the more I'll be carrying it and folding it too. So I definitely wouldn't consider anything more difficult to fold and carry when folded than a Strida or Brompton.

You see, I'll be using it in conjunction with mass transit. So I'll probably be folding/carrying at least once for every 5 miles I ride and at most 5 times for every 5 miles I ride. However, you have to keep in mind that every time I fold I wouldn't just be folding and putting it down. I would have to get on the bus (sometimes I have to practically jump in front to flag those guys down), climb up the steps of the bus, secure the bike (from the bus accelerating) in one hand while paying fare with the other hand, manuever the crowd on the bus (sometimes the buses are so full they have to turn people away), and then sit without stealing the space of anyone sitting next to me or stealing the space of the guy standing/looming over me. Sometimes I have difficulty accomplishing all this comfortably just while carrying my 10lb backpack, so I could easily see how adding a bike to the mix would make the whole thing too much trouble. In my mind, if a bike is difficult to manuever, a single transit ride with it could be more work than walking a mile without it.


I like the A-Bike because it's ultra light but not so light that you'll enjoy carrying it all day long. I did see one young man riding that bike across a parking lot at 12 mph! He was riding about as fast as I would ride on my Dahon Presto so that bike can go as fast as a normal bike.
Aha! If he was going 12mph is it unreasonable to think that he might go 5 miles at a more leisurely pace?

I know that I certainly wouldn't bother buying anything to only go 1-1.5 miles. I'd rather walk then worry about the hassle of carrying anything. I usually don't even bother with the hassle of carrying my laptop outside my apartment and that's only 3-4 pounds!.

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I was hoping that I could find some consistency among cyclists about the usability of general design choices, but there is such a wide variety of conflicting views out there that I don't know who to believe. Quite frankly, I don't believe anyone. I think the guy from the cycle store is telling me that Carrymes and Stridas are crap so he can earn a fat commision by selling me a Brompton for $1000; I think the people in the A-bike forum are just trying to make themselves feel better after wasting their money on a toy; I think Xootr owners are too willing to seek out smooth surfaces; and I think you guys are unrealistically pessimistic about small wheels and too willing to fix your own broken Stridas.


From what I understand, most of the reliability problems with the Strida were resolved with the 3rd version. It's a product that continues to be refined and it clearly shows. There was one person who created web site about commuting with a Strida 2 five miles per day. The parts he replaced over the time he owned the bike were significant and I'm glad I didn't purchase that version. However, the Strida 3 addressed most of those concerns so you should have many worry free miles from the bike today.

Find out where you can get parts and wheels. Strida and Brompton have all the parts you need to practically replace the entire bicycle should the need arise. Start emailing those other ultra-portable bike companies and you'll find that only certain parts can be replaced. This is a MAJOR concern and should not be overlooked when buying a folder.

The CarryMe weights about 16 1/2 lbs. Althought this may seem light, it is not when walking long distances. I have two dumbells that weight 16 lbs together and walking 2 city blocks left me in total sweat! That was a workout in itself! You will NOT be able to carry this bike for a long distance without sweating a great deal especially during the summer.

I would like to see how the CarryMe handles in the rain without fenders. It should be interesting how the rain sprays all over the bike and maybe your clothes. Then with that rain dripping bike, you'll have to enter the bus! The CarryMe is probably a fair weather bike.

I forgot to ask, how many times are you going to ride at night? I would NEVER attempt to ride any of those ultra-portables at night. Everyone knows riding at night is fishing for potholes if you don't have a powerful headlight. One pothole or large crack and you're going over the handlebars with those ultra-portables.

I like the Xootr but you'll need to wear sneekers to work or you'll destroy a lot of dress shoes. You'll also sweat more. An electric scooter might be a different story altogether but only during the day.

From what I understand, most of the reliability problems with the Strida were resolved with the 3rd version. It's a product that continues to be refined and it clearly shows. There was one person who created web site about commuting with a Strida 2 five miles per day. The parts he replaced over the time he owned the bike were significant and I'm glad I didn't purchase that version. However, the Strida 3 addressed most of those concerns so you should have many worry free miles from the bike today.
What about the slipping gear train and the freewheel? I don't even know what a freewheel is, but I heard someone say that the Strida 5 design fixes both of these problems found in the Strida 3.

Thanks for your input though, it's reassuring to know that the Strida 3 is more durable than the Strida 2, but do you think it's as durable as, let's say, a Birdy (same manufacturer as Carryme)?


Find out where you can get parts and wheels. Strida and Brompton have all the parts you need to practically replace the entire bicycle should the need arise. Start emailing those other ultra-portable bike companies and you'll find that only certain parts can be replaced. This is a MAJOR concern and should not be overlooked when buying a folder.
Well, I don't know if it is comparable or not, but the Carryme uses a standard seat post and a standard head post (except for the removeable handlebars). The wheels are Kenda, which one salesman told me I could order at any bikeshop. The only real custom parts seem to be the frame and the gear train.

The Strida, on the other hand, has standard tires, but nonstandard everything else.

However, I'm inclined to think that the Carryme would be less likely to break since it's all metal. I couldn't be completely wrong about that though.

Thanks for the tip though. I was overlooking this factor. I was thinking that if anything broke I would just take it to a bike shop and pay them to get it fixed, but I guess they can't fix it if they can't get the parts.


The CarryMe weights about 16 1/2 lbs. Althought this may seem light, it is not when walking long distances. I have two dumbells that weight 16 lbs together and walking 2 city blocks left me in total sweat! That was a workout in itself! You will NOT be able to carry this bike for a long distance without sweating a great deal especially during the summer.
Yeah, but it can be wheeled in stick position like a Strida and you can adjust the handlebars to whatever height you like for wheeling it.

That's why I'm attracted to these rollable stick bikes. It seems that with a stick bike you don't have to worry about how heavy it will be for carrying a few blocks, even over rough terrain. Let me ask you this though, what about manuevering 10 feet in a crowd? Do you think there would be a big difference in getting to a seat on a crowded train/subway/bus between a 16 pound bike and a 26 pound bike?


I would like to see how the CarryMe handles in the rain without fenders. It should be interesting how the rain sprays all over the bike and maybe your clothes. Then with that rain dripping bike, you'll have to enter the bus! The CarryMe is probably a fair weather bike.
I think you're absolutely right about that.


I forgot to ask, how many times are you going to ride at night? I would NEVER attempt to ride any of those ultra-portables at night. Everyone knows riding at night is fishing for potholes if you don't have a powerful headlight. One pothole or large crack and you're going over the handlebars with those ultra-portables.
I don't think I'll be riding much at night.

Aha! If he was going 12mph is it unreasonable to think that he might go 5 miles at a more leisurely pace?

I know that I certainly wouldn't bother buying anything to only go 1-1.5 miles. I'd rather walk then worry about the hassle of carrying anything. I usually don't even bother with the hassle of carrying my laptop outside my apartment and that's only 3-4 pounds!.

Good one. You caught me and my logic may not be altogether correct.

I suppose you can probably ride either of those ultra-portable bikes 5 miles each day. However, find out about the parts because this will become an issue when riding a bike that many miles each month. A small bike like that will take a beating riding 100 miles a month. None of these ultra-portables are well suited for shopping in a mall where you'll need to carry them physically for over a mile or more when shopping. A supermarket is an altogether different story as you can put them inside the shopping carriage. However, carrying a heavy backpack of groceries with these ultra-portables is not something I would like to do.

You seem more concerned about folding speed. I don't consider this an issue for any folding bike or ultra-portable. You'll find ALL bikes can be folded within 20 seconds or less depending on how fast your want to fold them. As you get better, you'll be surprised at how fast you will get with practice. All of my Dahon bikes can be folded in less than 15 seconds. Trust me, you'll find folding speed to become a non-issue once you become a pro.

A more important issue is the inside cabin of the bus. Do you have an overhead compartment to place the bike? Is it wide enough so the folder won't drop on someone's head? Is it large enough for a Brompton? The ultra-portables and Strida would have no trouble between your legs but this may not be the case with the Brompton. You cannot place the bicycle on the ajacent seat as your fare covers only one. Is there a spot near the rear door where you can place the folder? Will you need to sit in the back of the bus? Does your bus company have rules regarding large packages? Is the bus packed during rush hour? What is the policy for folding bikes inside buses? All of these are very important issues that you need to find out before even thinking of buying a folder. You may very well need to carry a bag even with an ultra-portable or the driver may not allow you to board. If it rains, you most certainly will need to carry a bag to cover a wet bicycle.

Good one. You caught me and my logic may not be altogether correct.

I suppose you can probably ride either of those ultra-portable bikes 5 miles each day. However, find out about the parts because this will become an issue when riding a bike that many miles each month. A small bike like that will take a beating riding 100 miles a month. None of these ultra-portables are well suited for shopping in a mall where you'll need to carry them physically for over a mile or more when shopping. A supermarket is an altogether different story as you can put them inside the shopping carriage. However, carrying a heavy backpack of groceries with these ultra-portables is not something I would like to do.

Yeah, this is very true and, to tell you the truth, the main motivating for me considering the ultra-portables was to make it convenient to take it along with me when I'm going around town. However, most of the time when I'm going around town I'm running errands. So perhaps that negates the motivation for having something really tiny.


You seem more concerned about folding speed. I don't consider this an issue for any folding bike or ultra-portable. You'll find ALL bikes can be folded within 20 seconds or less depending on how fast your want to fold them. As you get better, you'll be surprised at how fast you will get with practice. All of my Dahon bikes can be folded in less than 15 seconds. Trust me, you'll find folding speed to become a non-issue once you become a pro.

A more important issue is the inside cabin of the bus. Do you have an overhead compartment to place the bike? Is it wide enough so the folder won't drop on someone's head? Is it large enough for a Brompton? The ultra-portables and Strida would have no trouble between your legs but this may not be the case with the Brompton. You cannot place the bicycle on the ajacent seat as your fare covers only one. Is there a spot near the rear door where you can place the folder? Will you need to sit in the back of the bus? Does your bus company have rules regarding large packages? Is the bus packed during rush hour? What is the policy for folding bikes inside buses? All of these are very important issues that you need to find out before even thinking of buying a folder. You may very well need to carry a bag even with an ultra-portable or the driver may not allow you to board. If it rains, you most certainly will need to carry a bag to cover a wet bicycle.

Yes, this is exactly what I had pictured in my mind when I was talking about the folded size and manueverability/luggability, but I was having trouble articulating it. There is no overhead on most of the public transit I will be using and even on the ones that have overhead, I don't want to go through the hassle of using it because then I have to get it down when my stop comes (on a crowded vehicle it can be hard enough getting just your body out promptly, forget about stowed bicycles). There is more room on trains/subway/lightrail to put it near the door somwhere, but not on most buses. Therefore, it is important to easily be able to either put it between my legs or on my lap.

Thanks for all your very constructive questions.

Thanks for your input though, it's reassuring to know that the Strida 3 is more durable than the Strida 2, but do you think it's as durable as, let's say, a Birdy (same manufacturer as Carryme)?

That's why I'm attracted to these rollable stick bikes. It seems that with a stick bike you don't have to worry about how heavy it will be for carrying a few blocks, even over rough terrain. Let me ask you this though, what about manuevering 10 feet in a crowd? Do you think there would be a big difference in getting to a seat on a crowded train/subway/bus between a 16 pound bike and a 26 pound bike?


The Birdy is an excellant bicycle but do you really want to boad a packed bus each morning with that bike? If you were riding trains, I might feel differently but we are talking about the bus.

I can't really predict how these stick bikes will handle in a crowd because this is determined by the rider and not the bike. However, getting a stick bike that weights 16 lbs inside the bus will be far easier than a 26 lb bike any day of the week. You'll find that most 26 lb folding bike owners will roll the bike on a train platform or even supermarket rather than physically carrry them.

If you were only using subway or tain any folder will do. The bus is a different animal altogether because of the tight quarters and anti-bike attitude of the drivers.

There is no easy answer here but since you intend to do shopping and use the bus (hopefully there are no hills), I would go with the Strida. Althought Brompton owners may feel differently.

The Birdy is an excellant bicycle but do you really want to boad a packed bus each morning with that bike? If you were riding trains, I might feel differently but we are talking about the bus.
No, no, no. I wasn't suggesting a Birdy. I was just asking you if you think it likely that the Carryme is a higher build quality than the Strida, given that it is the same manufacturer as the Birdy.

BTW, there are about 20 high rez pics (some of them close-ups of the joints) of the Carryme here (http://www.rstlife.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=105).


I can't really predict how these stick bikes will handle in a crowd because this is determined by the rider and not the bike. However, getting a stick bike that weights 16 lbs inside the bus will be far easier than a 26 lb bike any day of the week. You'll find that most 26 lb folding bike owners will roll the bike on a train platform or even supermarket rather than physically carrry them.

If you were only using subway or tain any folder will do. The bus is a different animal altogether because of the tight quarters and anti-bike attitude of the drivers.

There is no easy answer here but since you intend to do shopping and use the bus (hopefully there are no hills), I would go with the Strida. Althought Brompton owners may feel differently.
Well, the lower end Bromptons are almost 26 pounds and still cost almost twice as much as the Strida. It seems like no contest for me, but so many people have suggested a Brompton over a Strida that I wonder if I'm missing something big (that's why I'm grilling you about the build quality, because that's the only thing I can think of that might justify me spending twice as much on a Brompton for what I want to use it for).

Also, there are no hills. You know how it is on the east coast.

No, no, no. I wasn't suggesting a Birdy. I was just asking you if you think it likely that the Carryme is a higher build quality than the Strida, given that it is the same manufacturer as the Birdy.

BTW, there are about 20 high rez pics (some of the closeups of the joints) of the Carryme here (http://www.rstlife.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=105).


Well, the lower end Bromptons are almost 26 pounds and still cost almost twice as much as the Strida. It seems like no contest for me, but so many people have suggested a Brompton over a Strida that I wonder if I'm missing something big (that's why I'm grilling you about the build quality, because that's the only thing I can think of that might justify me spending twice as much on a Brompton for what I want to use it for).

Also, there are no hills. You know how it is on the east coast.

All I can say is find a dealer that sells the Brompton. Ask him/her to put it in a bag and look at the size of it. If you feel the size of the package won't create a problem for the bus driver or there's room for a suitcase size bag, then get a Brompton. The Brompton is small but it's much larger when placed inside a bag and is actually the size of a medium sized suitcase. I don't know how comfortable you'll feel having that 26 pound bike on your lap but I'm certain those metal parts will start hurting after 15 minutes. I just put my 24 pound Dahon Presto on my lap and I wanted to get it off pretty quick.

All I can say is find a dealer that sells the Brompton. Ask him/her to put it in a bag and look at the size of it. If you feel the size of the package won't create a problem for the bus driver or there's room for a suitcase size bag, then get a Brompton. The Brompton is small but it's much larger when placed inside a bag and is actually the size of a medium sized suitcase. I don't know how comfortable you'll feel having that 26 pound bike on your lap but I'm certain those metal parts will start hurting after 15 minutes. I just put my 24 pound Dahon Presto on my lap and I wanted to get it off pretty quick.

Yeah, but for my purposes, what advantages does a Brompton have over a Strida to justify paying double?

I was hoping that I could find some consistency among cyclists about the usability of general design choices, but there is such a wide variety of conflicting views out there that I don't know who to believe. Quite frankly, I don't believe anyone. I think the guy from the cycle store is telling me that Carrymes and Stridas are crap so he can earn a fat commision by selling me a Brompton for $1000; I think the people in the A-bike forum are just trying to make themselves feel better after wasting their money on a toy; I think Xootr owners are too willing to seek out smooth surfaces; and I think you guys are unrealistically pessimistic about small wheels and too willing to fix your own broken Stridas.

I have a hard time believing that there can be such large differences in opinion about the rideability of certain kinds of bikes. I feel like I should be able to get a general idea about the max riding distance for a bike with 6" wheels and 40 gear inches. However, for reasons beyond my understanding I have one person telling me that the max riding distance is 1 block, another 1 mile, and another 30 miles.

It sounds like you are suffering from “information overload" - I would strongly recommend that you pay the extra $40 and get both bikes to test.


Yeah, but for my purposes, what advantages does a Brompton have over a Strida to justify paying double?

Better ride (rear suspension); more gear options - common choices include: 1, 2, 3, or 6 speed - this means you will be faster than the single speed Strida and can also tackle gradients better; sturdier frame; easier to customise the cock-pit (saddle, seatpost, 3 different handlebar choices etc), better luggage options etc…

The Brompton would be the better choice if rideability were your foremost concern. As it appears that this is not the case, the Strida offers better value for money for your intended usage IMO.

Well, I think you want a Strida. I have one, and I love it. You really can't beat the way it folds. This morning I got off my NJTransit train, got on an escalator with the bike folded, and had it unfolded by the time I got to the top. It is not sluggish; the wheels are small enough that you can get up to cruising speed very quickly, and --being a somewhat aggressive rider, I guess-- I have passed Bromptons, Dahons, Mobikys, Halfways, and who knows what else on my daily commute up 8th Ave. Yes, the belt skips a little now and then, but it's not a problem. Yes, I've had freewheel problems, but Strida has been 100% helpful with all technical issues. I suggest you call Strida, email Strida, make a lot of noise, and keep pestering them until they tell you when the new Strida will be for sale here.

Good luck!

I realize this topic may be reaching the point of being over-cooked, but, has the OP thought about just getting a more ridable bike for the 1-5 mile, errand running trips and forgetting about the darn bus?

Even if you're doing 5 trips at 5 miles each, that's only 25 miles. If you get a more comfy 16" or 20" with full gearing, racks and fenders, maybe you don't have to deal with the surly bus drivers and jostling crowds at all?

I was hoping that I could find some consistency among cyclists about the usability of general design choices, but there is such a wide variety of conflicting views out there that I don't know who to believe. Quite frankly, I don't believe anyone. I think the guy from the cycle store is telling me that Carrymes and Stridas are crap so he can earn a fat commision by selling me a Brompton for $1000; I think the people in the A-bike forum are just trying to make themselves feel better after wasting their money on a toy; I think Xootr owners are too willing to seek out smooth surfaces; and I think you guys are unrealistically pessimistic about small wheels and too willing to fix your own broken Stridas.

I have a hard time believing that there can be such large differences in opinion about the rideability of certain kinds of bikes. I feel like I should be able to get a general idea about the max riding distance for a bike with 6" wheels and 40 gear inches. However, for reasons beyond my understanding I have one person telling me that the max riding distance is 1 block, another 1 mile, and another 30 miles.

Should I just buy both bikes, try them both, and return the one I don't like (or both)? It will cost me about $40 extra to do this.

First, I agree with the opinion that folding time does not differ much among commuter folding bikes. So it probably should not be a deciding factor.

In regards to the quoted test above, people are different sizes and most of these bikes have limited adjustability and designed for some statistical average person. Hence, there are varying opinions and estimates. Also local geography can vary quite a bit. So what one person considers flat might be hilly to another. More generally, people have different tolerances for various limitations of folders.

If you consider the Brompton-look-a-likes, see threads on the Merc and Flamingo, I think that the "double-the-price" comparisons are off. But if $500 sounds a lot more palateable than $800 (it does to me) and you think that the Strida will fulfill your needs, then test it out for $40.

See, here is something I don't understand. How could a scooter with ~8" wheels and no gearing at all be recommended for 3-4 mile trips and 6-8 mph speeds, but a bike like the Carryme be unsuitable for the same kinds of trips?

Slightly off topic, but my guess would be that because on a scooter you're standing up instead of sitting down, your legs may help in absorbing shocks. I also expect experienced scooter users may quickly hop off and on when passing bigger bumps,... You're going slower than a bicycle after all.

For your information, my nine year old neighbour can fold (quickly, I might add) and wheel a Brompton…..

Quick someone find me a nine year old child, I need a quick fold!

I realize this topic may be reaching the point of being over-cooked, but, has the OP thought about just getting a more ridable bike for the 1-5 mile, errand running trips and forgetting about the darn bus?

Even if you're doing 5 trips at 5 miles each, that's only 25 miles. If you get a more comfy 16" or 20" with full gearing, racks and fenders, maybe you don't have to deal with the surly bus drivers and jostling crowds at all?

His bus trip might be over 40 miles on restricted roads making it a very long commute each morning.

Yeah, but for my purposes, what advantages does a Brompton have over a Strida to justify paying double?

The are plenty of reasons why a Brompton would be better than a Strida. It's just a better bike overall and if you have not problem getting it inside the cabin of your bus, then that is the bike to get. But if you think it will create problems or the bus driver won't allow large packages, then the Strida will be the best choice regardless of the price.

Here's a good website on the A-Bike

My opinion of this bike is starting to change. Read the part where his wife traveled 50Km (31 miles) on a A-Bike with a folding saddle!

http://a-bike-owner.blogspot.com

Also go to the A-Bike official website.