PDA

View Full Version : Frame material specs.



MATRIX
01-15-07, 05:59 PM
The facts on BMX tubeing...what is good and what is CRAP. This is all from www.truetemper.com (http://www.truetemper.com) I’ll also be getting info on the others. Incase your wondering why a certian frame holds up better than another or what frame material is best.

http://www.truetemper.com/performance_tubing/ox.asp

OX Platinum

OX Platinum is a proprietary superthermophillic (heat-loving) alloy, developed in partnership with the U.S. Steel Alliance. The composition of Chromium, Molybdenum, and Vanadium with an unprecedented 217 ksi ultimate tensile strength makes this alloy actually gain strength through a metallurgical transformation in the heat-affected zone as a result of welding or brazing. OX Platinum is highly temper-resistant, resulting in an 11% increase in fatigue life and a 20% increase in impact strength over the competition. The increased mechanical properties of OX Platinum allow for incredibly strong, yet lightweight frame designs with that legendary feel of steel ride quality.

http://www.truetemper.com/performance_tubing/bmx.asp

BMX ST Tubing
SUPERTHERM™ is made from a proprietary superthermophilic (heat-loving) alloy. With an industry-leading strength of 217 KSI. These tubes will take a thrashing and come back for more. This is the ultimate material for high strength and low weight so you can go higher, faster, longer.



BMX SR Tubing
SR™ is the benchmark of the industry for high tensile strength at 120KSI. Stress relieving the tubes removes residual stresses created in forming any tubing structure. The result of this is a higher fatigue life than non-stress relieved tubing, incredible stiffness, low weight, and the "feel of steel."

BMX HT Tubing
HT™ is precision butted heat-treated chromium-molybdenum with a yield strength up to 175 KSI. Each tube is designed for its specific function in the frame to maximize strength in high stress areas, and reduce weight everywhere possible. BMX Steel HT™ has the perfect balance of strength, ductility, and low weight.


You can get the wall thickness and strength on their site.



SANKO tubing from the WTP site.
What is Sanko tubing?
Japan is well known for their steel manufacturing. Sanko is a company that is famous for their high quality tubular steel and wethepeople were the first to use it and standardise it's usage in the bmx market. The tubing we are using is made especially for the bicycle market. We use both single, double, offset butted and regular tubing. Even on the regular tubing we can use thinner tubing since it's stronger (Material strength (kg/mm2) is 78) and higher quality than normal Taiwanese steel. The firm itself is well respected, has been in business since 1956 and employs nearly 300 people. We use only AISI* 4130 Cromoly(Chromium-molybdenum, CrMo, Chrome-moly), a low alloy steel for our aftermarket frames because it offers the best combination between strength, quality, availability and weldability.
4130 CrMo contains 95%+ Iron(Fe) and the following alloying agents:
0.28-0.33% Carbon (C)
0.4- 0.6% Manganese (Mn)
0.8-1.1% Cromium (Cr)
0.15-0.25% Molybdenum (Mo)
0.04% Phosphorous (P)
0.04% Sulphur (S)
0.2-0.35% Silicon (Si)
- Keywords if you're interested in finding out more in the net, AISI 4000 Series Steel, Low Alloy Steel, Medium Carbon Steel, Metal, CrMo, 4130, Sanko, *American Iron and Steel Association

Where are the frames made.
They are made in Taiwan with Sanko Japanese 4130. This is the very best material available and although we were the first to use it, several other well respected firms now use it too.

fluted
What is fluted tubing?
This means that the inside of the tubing is shaped more like a star, so there are beams to support for example the fork legs. This method actually removes material from the tube to make it lighter, but the beams actually make it stronger. We use fluted tubing on our forks and since 2004 a 'similar' process on some of the frames (our frames use Sanko triple drawn tubing which also increases the tube strength and stiffness).

CMcMahon
01-15-07, 06:21 PM
I probably could have found that on MatWeb, but thanks?

Punx
01-15-07, 07:26 PM
Wow, thats pretty cool...

MATRIX
01-15-07, 07:29 PM
Wow, thats pretty cool...


All it is is a simple way to know what materials work.

MadMan2k
01-15-07, 07:52 PM
I remember why I failed chemistry now. :p

FitRider 921
01-15-07, 08:55 PM
I remember why I failed chemistry now. :p
Too busy dreaming of banning someone?

mx_599
01-15-07, 08:57 PM
OX Platinum

OX Platinum is a proprietary superthermophillic
my BMX tubing of choice .... :D

FitRider 921
01-15-07, 09:05 PM
my BMX tubing of choice .... :D
Standard. How's your bike treating you?

MadMan2k
01-15-07, 09:11 PM
No, because materials, and atoms and molecules, and electric charges are gibberish to me.

mx_599
01-15-07, 09:12 PM
Standard. How's your bike treating you?
pretty good, thanks! we just got hit with crappy weather all weekend :rolleyes:

i had a minor problem with the wombolts loosening up. however, i don't believe there was permanent damage. i stopped as soon as i noticed. i will be pissed if the interface is ruined. i loctited the bolt now and put a better spacer between the bearings so i am hoping it won't ever loosen again. i did nothing wrong in assembly and i know my mechanics, so odyssey better help me if they are ruined.

i slammed seat and fixed bars. looks way better. i'll post another pic with the seat and bars fixed so you guys can see it.

FitRider 921
01-15-07, 09:17 PM
pretty good, thanks! we just got hit with crappy weather all weekend :rolleyes:

i had a minor problem with the wombolts loosening up. however, i don't believe there was permanent damage. i stopped as soon as i noticed. i will be pissed if the interface is ruined. i loctited the bolt now and put a better spacer between the bearings so i am hoping it won't ever loosen again. i did nothing wrong in assembly and i know my mechanics, so odyssey better help me if they are ruined.

i slammed seat and fixed bars. looks way better. i'll post another pic with the seat and bars fixed so you guys can see it.
Sounds good. You have a great bike. Your wombolts should be fine. Just ride and don't worry about too much breaking... you have some of the best parts.

mx_599
01-15-07, 09:25 PM
Sounds good. You have a great bike. Your wombolts should be fine. Just ride and don't worry about too much breaking... you have some of the best parts.
thanks

i hope i can pick up the basics. i can't even manual. it will take time, i'm in not hurry. winter weather and school will hinder the process, but oh well.

should a manual be easier on a bmx bike than a mountain bike? if someone learns on a bmx should they be able to transfer that skill over to mtn bike or vice versa? which do you guys think i should put my effort into for manuals---bmx or mtn bike?

MadMan2k
01-15-07, 09:29 PM
BMX! Times a million, at least. More like a billion. On both counts, for ease of learning, and which one you should learn on.

Mountain bikes are good for trails or jumping off stairs and stuff, that's about it...

They're pretty hard for me, I can do them decently with the wheel slammed but with it farther back they get harder.

Dunvegan67
01-15-07, 09:31 PM
:D Yeah, legendary for its FLEX-iness and subsequent loss of pedaling power! And legendary heavy weight(unless you spend a fortune on a high end frame, which probably flex-es even more)

mx_599
01-15-07, 09:41 PM
BMX! Times a million, at least. More like a billion. On both counts, for ease of learning, and which one you should learn on.

Mountain bikes are good for trails or jumping off stairs and stuff, that's about it...

They're pretty hard for me, I can do them decently with the wheel slammed but with it farther back they get harder.
it seems impossible for me right now. i don't how you guys find that balance point and just effortlessly glide along....looks really cool. i get excited to see someone manual, let alone the tricks it that vid

wethepeople
01-15-07, 09:55 PM
Actually, I find my big dually bikes easiest to manual.

mude
01-16-07, 03:43 PM
i have 4130 tubing?

FitRider 921
01-16-07, 03:48 PM
I love lamp?

mude
01-16-07, 03:50 PM
i love GunzOsteel

FitRider 921
01-16-07, 03:51 PM
i have sexy time with kinetik's mother?

mude
01-16-07, 03:52 PM
she'd crush you?

but seriously, she would.

FitRider 921
01-16-07, 03:53 PM
she'd crush you?

but seriously, she would.
your mother?

mude
01-16-07, 03:55 PM
kinetiks?


my moms actually etremely skinny...probably to skinny


my exact fortune from a fortune cookie i ate today.

A carrot a day may keep cancer away.


Im dissapointed.

FitRider 921
01-16-07, 03:58 PM
A carrot a day may keep cancer away.
Ouch. I hate carrots.

My last fortune cookie said that fun awaits me. I'm gonna get laid! :p

mude
01-16-07, 04:03 PM
and knowing her you'll get the clap

FitRider 921
01-16-07, 04:05 PM
and knowing her you'll get the clap
because I know what that means... hahaha. I dont speak 'mude'.

mude
01-16-07, 06:40 PM
dont you have to take sex-ed in new york?

FitRider 921
01-16-07, 06:50 PM
dont you have to take sex-ed in new york?
you mean health? yes.

Qbert
01-16-07, 06:57 PM
cool write up. i saw one on what every angle on a frame will do. like manual easier or spin faster. i'll look for it. it was really good.

FitRider 921
01-16-07, 07:49 PM
I was going to buy some and put my Thermal 41's on my backup bike.

Now I'm thinking to look outside Wombolt's if they're going to loosen on me...
Flys.

FuzzyRyder
01-16-07, 10:28 PM
Just get Wombolts. Almost every new crank will loosen up at least once after you put them on.

eightdip
01-17-07, 03:34 PM
My cranks keep loosening, i need new bolts because my are ****ed

MATRIX
01-17-07, 04:09 PM
If your happy with 41's keep them spindles aren't much(compared to a new crankset).

But, while Primo's are bulky looking they are well made and take a great beating.

BMX1992
01-17-07, 04:15 PM
Please sticky this.

FitRider 921
01-17-07, 04:58 PM
So I guess it Primo's with Ti spindles
If you bent a spindle, why would you ever want to get a Ti spindle, which flex even more?

mx_599
01-17-07, 06:29 PM
I was going to buy some and put my Thermal 41's on my backup bike.

Now I'm thinking to look outside Wombolt's if they're going to loosen on me... well i don't know, they seem to be a solid design.

there is only one possibility of it being my fault. i used a pvc spacer between the bearings. that stuff is very stiff and strong but if that was the reason than i guess...oops.

i based my decision on pvc partly because someone on here said they didn't even use a spacer. i figured if some didn't use a spacer that surely a pvc one would work. secondly, pvc is easier to cut and work to precision. i don't have an electric mitre saw or anything so it is very near impossible to cut a perfectly perpendicular cut with a saw at an exact millimeter length.

at any rate, now i have an aluminum one in there and hopefully it won't happen anymore.

i think the wombolts put more pressure on the bearings and spacer than 3-piece cranks. i probably should have known better. however, i don't know, that pvc is strong...i still find it a bit hard to take blame for it loosening strictly because of this.

premiumbmx2005
01-17-07, 06:57 PM
i really dont know what you guyus are talking about but i think the flys are better than the wombolts unless you grind.

eightdip
01-18-07, 09:05 AM
But, while Primo's are bulky looking they are well made and take a great beating.

The hollowbites are renowned for snapping, the powerbites are better though

KinetikBiker
01-18-07, 09:56 AM
The hollowbites are renowned for snapping, the powerbites are better though
Where did you hear that?
I've had mine for awhile now. They even lasted my 'i'm gonna learn to cranck/sprocket slid/destroy grind faze...

eightdip
01-18-07, 10:11 AM
I've seen many a picture on interbmx and on my other forum

MATRIX
01-18-07, 03:26 PM
Really? I have yet to see a set snap. I have seen them ground to the hollow area(weird looking)...but not snap. have a link?

premiumbmx2005
01-18-07, 07:37 PM
i grind once in a blue moon.

FitRider 921
01-18-07, 07:47 PM
I love to grind. It's so much fun.

wethepeople
01-18-07, 08:08 PM
I like grinding...

FuzzyRyder
01-18-07, 10:19 PM
Same.

wompwomp
01-18-07, 11:27 PM
I like grinding...

I'm a bigger fan of bumping.

CMcMahon
01-18-07, 11:51 PM
*does the worm*

eightdip
01-19-07, 03:05 AM
The worm really hurts the area, things were easier as a kid...

eightdip
01-19-07, 03:13 AM
http://www.interbmx.com/profile.php?view=image&id=4921&img=18569

premiumbmx2005
01-19-07, 10:01 PM
thats a huge crack