Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - Nice IRO Build. What parts?

This is similar to the other IRO parts thread...but not so cheap.

What parts would you put on the BFSSFG IRO bike if you want it to be nice and light? I don't mean pocket-full-of-cash nice but I would like this to be a nice, light bike and would like mid to high-level parts on it. What would you put on it and make sure it's still light and strong?

Especially what wheels and cranks?

Bars can be so personal, there's no point in going there.

I've always bought generic seatposts. What seatpost would you buy if you were trying to keep the weight down?

I want to make my IRO one of my nicer bikes. Not a blinged bike, a light, solid FG bike. I'll take the time to add good parts to it since I have other bikes to ride in the mean time.

I'm picturing most everything in black, but the color is not germain to this thread, so this is how I'd want to build it:
Open Pro with Formula DB spokes
Shimano 105 cranks/BB (53T)
EAI 20T cog
Decent threaded headset
nice older quill stem
On One Midge bars
Modolo road lever
Shimano 105 front brake
Supertype seatpost
Flyte Ti, or Brooks Pro

Huh... that came out a lot like my Rush.

Just got:

Moustache bars
Chain tensioners(is that ok with you guys?)

Have:
IRO Drive train/BB
Campy Record laced up to Aeroheads

So far

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/137/339360506_074f7b7bee.jpg

Miche Gruppo
Mavic CXP 33s
Bontrager flat bar on a Salsa SUL quill (CrMo)
MKS Sylvans with blue Toshi doubles (not pictured)
San Marco Regal

mmm...parts list....
well i dont know what's too expensive for you but id would do...
thomson seatpost and stem(obvious choice to me is the 1 1/8" headtube)
Velocity Aeroheads(great weight/price ratio)..my wheels are these laced 32h Rear and 28h Front to Dura Ace low flange..but if u dont want to spend that then formula i guess
Miche cranks and BB or Campy road BB if you feel like the upgrade
Eggbeaters if you're commuting on it
that's all i've got

On a Rob Roy:
- 32H Open Pro laced to Formula or OnOne flip/flop with 14/15/14
- Cane Creek threadless H/S
- Thomson stem and seatpost
- Ultegra double with external BB
- 1 cog and 1 freewheel [I don't know which brands]
- Keep the fork until I could find a decent carbon unit
- cushy yet heavy Turbo saddle
- flip/chop or flat bar
- Avid Ultimate mtn bike levers
- Diacompe 686 cantis
- Conti Gatorskin Ultra 25C
- Shimano SPD

http://velospace.org/files/braun_mash.jpg

not sure if i'd put deep v's on a bike that i'd want lighter, but i have some cxp30's that are a little lighter. i do prefer a more aero wheel tho.

Velocity Aeroheads(great weight/price ratio)

A lot of people say this, but they weigh the same as Open Pros, and cost the same as Open Pros. CXP 33 are maybe 20 grams heavier, and often available much cheaper. So I guess I have to wonder are people finding better deals on Aeroheads than I am, or are they just repeating an old wives tale that Aeroheads are cheap for their weight?

What seatpost would you buy if you were trying to keep the weight down?

Thomson

A lot of people say this, but they weigh the same as Open Pros, and cost the same as Open Pros. CXP 33 are maybe 20 grams heavier, and often available much cheaper. So I guess I have to wonder are people finding better deals on Aeroheads than I am, or are they just repeating an old wives tale that Aeroheads are cheap for their weight?

well according to the manufacturers the open pros are 30g's a piece heavier, which i admit a really small amount(especially when considering how much stronger the open pros supposedly are) however I work at a bike shop and velocity offers better employee deals then mavic, or actually the distributors u have to go through...so that's why I settled on the aeroheads...and i have to admit the aesthetic factor...aeroheads come non-machined
that said, i have open pros on my road bike

*edit*forgot to say that my perception of price is skewed by the employee deal

well according to the manufacturers the open pros are 30g's a piece heavier, which i admit a really small amount

Rats! I just keep hoping to find out that the rumor that Aeroheads are cheap is actually true. ;) I've been lucky enough to find deals on Open pros as cheap as $30, never gotten anywhere close on Aeroheads.

The difference between the manufacturers stated weight, and the actual weight of a part is often greater than 30g. I got my weights here http://weightweenies.starbike.com/listings/components.php?type=rims Incidentally Deep Vs appear to be about 50 grams heavier than Velocity claims.

A lot of people say this, but they weigh the same as Open Pros, and cost the same as Open Pros. CXP 33 are maybe 20 grams heavier, and often available much cheaper. So I guess I have to wonder are people finding better deals on Aeroheads than I am, or are they just repeating an old wives tale that Aeroheads are cheap for their weight?

On paper Aeroheads are lighter than OPs. However in these days Aeroheads are coming out heavier than on the spec sheet. the dies are apparently wearing. so weight is a wash.
I don't know where you've been pricing rims, but OPs are usually in the $65 range, whereas Aeroheads are more like $40-45. Maybe you're getting awesome deals on OPs?
this doesn't apply to track bikes, but one advantage of the Aeroheads is the off-center rear rim which builds into a much stronger wheel.

EDIT: wow $30 OPs? at that price i'd stock up.

I think my build will be on the blue frame with 1 inch fork as a singlespeed...

shimano 105 headset
chrome tange fork
cinelli tempo bull horns
cinelli quill
iro hubs laced to aeroheads
not sure on the cranks yet, I might polish my current cranks...
probably shimano 105 brakes, levers I'm not sure on

I don't know where you've been pricing rims, but OPs are usually in the $65 range, whereas Aeroheads are more like $40-45. Maybe you're getting awesome deals on OPs?
this doesn't apply to track bikes, but one advantage of the Aeroheads is the off-center rear rim which builds into a much stronger wheel.

EDIT: wow $30 OPs? at that price i'd stock up.

Granted I got lucky on the Open Pros, but most places seem to have Aeroheads at $60-65. On very notable exception is IRO, they have silver machined Aeroheads for $50 a pair right now. Get em while their hot. If I could find a pair of pink machined Aeroheads for $80, my daughter would be one happy girl.

i don't think i've ever seena $60 aerohead. airbomb/aebike have always seemed to sell them for ~40ish

how about a set of pink velocity nuvians? made with aerohead rims...
http://www.bullteksports.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=BS&Product_Code=VELNUVIANPINK&Category_Code=RoadWheels

i don't think i've ever seena $60 aerohead. airbomb/aebike have always seemed to sell them for ~40ish

how about a set of pink velocity nuvians? made with aerohead rims...
http://www.bullteksports.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=BS&Product_Code=VELNUVIANPINK&Category_Code=RoadWheels

airbomb and ae don't have pink, and my daughters desire for Pink wheels is the only reason I have to shop for areoheads right now.

Those wheels are beautiful, but my 12 year old daughter does not get a $300 wheelset before I do.

Sorry for the highjack everyone, this shtuff should go in the "SF treatment in pink" thread.

iro frame.
ouzo pro carbon fork
any decent 1 1/8" threadless headset (it is 1 1/8, yes?)

cockpit:
thomson elite seatpost
decent saddle of your choice
thomson aluminum stem
nitto b123a aluminum bars
cinelli tape

drivetrain:
sugino 75 crankset
da cog
da lockring
sram pc9 chain
mks sylvan pedals
mks clips
mks double straps

wheels:
dura ace low flange track hubs
open pro rims
dt swiss double butted spokes
conti gatorskin tires

optionally, swap the hubs for formulas to save money.

Just got:

Moustache bars
Chain tensioners(is that ok with you guys?)

Have:
IRO Drive train/BB
Campy Record laced up to Aeroheads

So far

isnt there some sort of problem with iro dropouts and mks brand tensioners? just curious, if thats the kind you picked up. i like redline's, they fit real snappy-like into my surly dropouts, and theyre like 10 bucks i think.

Im building up a green iro frame 1 inch
brown deep-v's with green milwaukees, and grey vredsteins
milwaukee track cog and lock ring 17
shimano freewheel 18
1 inch dura-ace headset
miche cranks mich bb(possibly campy bb)
mks gr'9's
and I think i might buy a three different kmc chains in different colors and make an ugly a$s tri color chain
and I just got a good deal on NOS 2004 dura-ace brakes
flat and short nitto pearl stem
easton EA90 straight bars or if I can get them cheap EC90 straight bars
and whatever ugly mountin riser I can get
whatever carbon seatpost I can get cheap
and either a cheap light comfy saddle or the rock hard ti and carbon sitting in my parts box.
and an ugly top tube pad that I might embroider the word "GayTarded" on

this thing will truly be gaytarded

This is my second fixie but my first was off-the-rack winter bike (Raliegh One Way). So I've got a few questions.

For cranks, are single-ring cranks setup for a different chainline than normal road doubles (105, ultegra, etc. on either inner or outer rings)?

The IRO parts are relatively cheap. Are they heavy? I don't see any weights on the IRO site.

I used to ride a lot but have been out of it for awhile. What is Miche? Are they track parts or a brand that's come along in the last ~10 years?

Im building up a green iro frame 1 inch
brown deep-v's with green milwaukees, and grey vredsteins
milwaukee track cog and lock ring 17
shimano freewheel 18
1 inch dura-ace headset
miche cranks mich bb(possibly campy bb)
mks gr'9's
and I think i might buy a three different kmc chains in different colors and make an ugly a$s tri color chain
and I just got a good deal on NOS 2004 dura-ace brakes
flat and short nitto pearl stem
easton EA90 straight bars or if I can get them cheap EC90 straight bars
and whatever ugly mountin riser I can get
whatever carbon seatpost I can get cheap
and either a cheap light comfy saddle or the rock hard ti and carbon sitting in my parts box.
and an ugly top tube pad that I might embroider the word "GayTarded" on

this thing will truly be gaytarded

Please don't insult gay people. Most gay people (hell even most straight people) have much better fashion sense than that.

********? Maybe. ******** means slow, and your very colorful bike will be slower than a less expensive lighter one would be. I think it's silly to pay extra for carbon parts then use deep Vs. the weight you save using carbon (if any) will be less than you gain using Deep Vs. You could build a lighter bike for at least $200 less. It can be tough sometimes to justify spending an extra hundred dollars to save 50 grams, but spending an extra hundred to GAIN a hundred grams???

This is my second fixie but my first was off-the-rack winter bike (Raliegh One Way). So I've got a few questions.

For cranks, are single-ring cranks setup for a different chainline than normal road doubles (105, ultegra, etc. on either inner or outer rings)?

The IRO parts are relatively cheap. Are they heavy? I don't see any weights on the IRO site.

I used to ride a lot but have been out of it for awhile. What is Miche? Are they track parts or a brand that's come along in the last ~10 years?

From what I know the IRO branded parts are decent, but nothing to write home about. Some people complain the cranks are not very round causing tight spots in the rotation.

Miche is an Italian company that has been around since 1919. They make good medium priced stuff. In the brand hierarchy they are generally considered a step down from Campy. How much of that is real, and how much is imagined I don't know, but they do make quality components wherever you want to put them in the status symbol hierarchy.

I just threw down for a 50 in green with the 1" threaded
headset. Mine is going to be all-budget, so I'm going:

-cheap Formula/Mavic wheels with Gatorskins
-17t EAI track cog, Dura Ace lockring
-SRAM chain
-old Sugino VP cranks
-maybe the IRO brand BB, but we'll see if something else turns up
-leftover Tange headset
-whatever cheap threaded stem I can get my hands on
-either my old flip-n-chop bullhorns or else the Nashbar special

In the mean time, I am going to scour for some cheap used
caliper brakes, hopefully something decent will turn up on eBay
or at the bike swap.

What is the diameter of the seatpost clamp going to be?

Miche is an Italian company that has been around since 1919. They make good medium priced stuff. In the brand hierarchy they are generally considered a step down from Campy. How much of that is real, and how much is imagined I don't know, but they do make quality components wherever you want to put them in the status symbol hierarchy.

Weird. I rode a lot in the 80s and early 90s and never heard of Miche. I even had a cycling mentor who was way old school so I'd think I'd know about them. Thanks for the info.

What is the diameter of the seatpost clamp going to be?

It looks like all of IROs have 27.2mm seatposts

Weird. I rode a lot in the 80s and early 90s and never heard of Miche. I even had a cycling mentor who was way old school so I'd think I'd know about them. Thanks for the info.

Not sure if they were importing much in th 80s. I didn't know about them then either. and my boss who is an old school roadie, and a big Italophile never heard of them either.

Please don't insult gay people. Most gay people (hell even most straight people) have much better fashion sense than that.


Agreed. A person who calls something "gaytarded" does not show themselves in a very good light.

honestly considering I am an openly queer person who does believe in the reappropriation of language I do not feel bad for using the term gay as a mild deragatory, as far as the ******** well I could come up with a million excuses but I really dont see the point, you are right it was stupid, but please dont call my ethics into play.

honestly considering I am an openly queer person who does believe in the reappropriation of language I do not feel bad for using the term gay as a mild deragatory, as far as the ******** well I could come up with a million excuses but I really dont see the point, you are right it was stupid, but please dont call my ethics into play.

As a queer man calling that bike gay systematically tears apart all the good work those Queer Eye guys have done to show the world that Gay men really DO have better fashion sense than straight men. I mean carbon bars in a quill stem?! Puh-lease!

you my friend are a scholar and a gentlemen

This thread is so on-topic it's simply amazing.

Miche cranks/BB
Miche supertype post
Dura-ace cog/lockring (on my curent bike)
Dura-ace low flange track hubs laced to black aeroheads(on my current bike)
Nitto bullhorns with TT levers (on my current bike)
Thomson stem
Random spare saddle of my choosing
Crank Bros. pedals

Now all I have to do is figure out what color bike to order.

http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/2006/may/Glenn.htm

Basically taking as much as possible off this and onto the black IRO when it comes in. Nice mid-level build (imo). Can't wait till May.

I'm having a hard time finding cranks online. All of the usual sources have doubles and triples. Where's a good place to scope out singles? I may end up at a LBS but I'm just researching now.

I'm having a hard time finding cranks online. All of the usual sources have doubles and triples. Where's a good place to scope out singles? I may end up at a LBS but I'm just researching now.

Lots of online sources......Bens bikes, Trackstar, Sheldon Brown, etc. Basically search for Sugino, Miche, Stronglight, Shimano, etc. But, don't be afraid to check your LBS. They usually can order just about anything anyway.

Just got:

Moustache bars
Chain tensioners(is that ok with you guys?)

Have:
IRO Drive train/BB
Campy Record laced up to Aeroheads

So far
Picked up today: Dura Ace 16T cog and lockring

Two builds in mind for mine... One is a "gentlemen's bike" style, the other is a parts swap from my KHS.

GB:
-Formula/Velocity wheelset. Probably silver.
-80's campy post.
-Black Brooks.
-Nitto technomic.
-Nitto B617 promenade's.
-Some headset...
-Cranks I haven't decided on... Preferably something fluted or otherwise old looking.
-Vittoria's; white.
-MKS quill pedals.
-The frame is "flat black". I will probably re-spray it and add some old-timey pin-striping.

Parts Swap:
-Miche/Aerohead wheelset
-Sugino "messenger" cranks
-budget post and saddle.
-Deda stem
-Rush fork
-Ritchey WCS hs.
-Alloy risers
-Red vittorias
-GR-9's.

so... kind of the standard build
blue iro
risers
nitto pearl
silver deep Vs/formula
sugino 75s
white regal
sylvans


need to find white rubino pros and I am having a hell of a time, the only place I found them was PBK but they were out

BusinessCycles.com is another good place to go. He has pretty much everything at decent prices. Great service too.

I already have an IRO Angus and I will be transferring all the parts to this new frame.
What it will include:
Green frame w/ 1 1/8th headtube
Red Chris King Headset
Black thomson stem w/ Easton Ergo drops (not sure of the model, yet)
Red Handlebar tape
Black thomson seat post w/ Red Selle Italia SLR gel flow
Sugino 75's w/ Zen chainring
Green quattro or candy eggbeaters
Phil's laced to Open Pros
White top tube protector w/ Brown accents

gotta embrace the roots
ya feel?

If I were getting one of these I would get the 1 1/8 version and throw on some Midge bars and disc fork up front (with a disc front brake of course).

I already have an IRO Angus and I will be transferring all the parts to this new frame.
What it will include:
Green frame w/ 1 1/8th headtube
Red Chris King Headset
Black thomson stem w/ Easton Ergo drops (not sure of the model, yet)
Red Handlebar tape
Black thomson seat post w/ Red Selle Italia SLR gel flow
Sugino 75's w/ Zen chainring
Green quattro or candy eggbeaters
Phil's laced to Open Pros
White top tube protector w/ Brown accents

gotta embrace the roots
ya feel?

ORALE, PUES!

http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/2006/may/Glenn.htm

Basically taking as much as possible off this and onto the black IRO when it comes in. Nice mid-level build (imo). Can't wait till May.

I guess I'm confused about fixie wheelsets, but the deep v's in this link, are they just deep-v rims with no machined brake surface? are they designed to brake on the rim? or am I missing something so simple it's sad :)

honestly considering I am an openly queer person who does believe in the reappropriation of language I do not feel bad for using the term gay as a mild deragatory, as far as the ******** well I could come up with a million excuses but I really dont see the point, you are right it was stupid, but please dont call my ethics into play.

so, this isn't a my-queer-politics-are-more-right-than-your-queer-politics. that's not my intention. but i'm curious about your use of the word reappropriation. in the context you're using it, it usually means taking a derogatory term and using it positively, as an affirmation, a good thing, or instance of unity/commonality. uing gay as a derogatory term isn't reappropriating language; it's just doing what they do, except you're queer.

also, Miche is the shiznit. i am loving their cranks. kinda wish they had 144bcd, but whatever. i like that the chainring bolts bolt into the spider.

so... kind of the standard build
blue iro
risers
nitto pearl
silver deep Vs/formula
sugino 75s
white regal
sylvans


need to find white rubino pros and I am having a hell of a time, the only place I found them was PBK but they were out
do you have a source for 25.4 pearls?? will you share??

shims son, shims

BusinessCycles.com is another good place to go. He has pretty much everything at decent prices. Great service too.

+1... yes I forgot them. Very good place.

so... kind of the standard build
blue iro
risers
nitto pearl
silver deep Vs/formula
sugino 75s
white regal
sylvans


need to find white rubino pros and I am having a hell of a time, the only place I found them was PBK but they were out

I'll take a look at Rev today on my lunch hour for you.

I'll take a look at Rev today on my lunch hour for you.

i've seen em at pro shop

i've seen em at pro shop
They are next door to each other. I was planning on checking both.
When I get back from lunch... whenever I go, I'll let you know if I see any white Rubinos.

shims son, shims
you had my hopes up for a minute... i have nitto shims, still in the package... i can not bring myself to use those butt ugly doodads...

i know for a fact that 25.4 pearls exist... i just can't figure out how or where to get them... one popped up on ebay a while ago, but it sold for more than i was willing to pay for a used stem.