Mountain Biking - New wheels

I just ordered some stuff:
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http://www.dtswiss.com/data/images/RIM_VAR_50922143704.jpg
http://www.dtswiss.com/data/images/SPK_VAR_40618104424.jpg
http://www.dtswiss.com/data/images/NIP_VAR_40622145937.jpg

Staying with the picture theme...

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LOL!


BTW, should be some sweet wheels...pretty similar to what I'm thinking of building for the Coiler.

Nice selection, where did you order your kit from?

What color of hubs did you get?

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Those are going to be some sexy wheels!

I read some random reviews, spoke with DT, and talked directly to Universal Cycles and decided to go with Universal Cycles to build them.

Everything I heard about them has been very positive.

The wheel builder uses proper spoke prep, proper technique, and they tension them very uniforml. They mentioned that they build over 2000 wheels per year and all that crap, but the important thing they mentioned to me was that they have a ton of return business because people are happy with their build. They like to tension their wheels nice and tight too. I like that. They know their stuff, that's for certain. I have researched this project intensely for a bit now and I'm sure I'll be happy with them.


BTW, the hubs will be red. I was going to go with red nips too, but I decided to use brass nips. They only come in black or silver.

^^^ Excellent, I went with Universal Cycles for my wheel build too, Great choice http://www.htguide.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_thumb.gif

They are going to look awesome in that red!

Wheelbuilders? Can't LBS over there build wheels? How hard can it be ffs?

I recently had some hope pro 2 hubs built with double butted DT spokes and mavic 717 rims and couldn't be happier with them. The rear hub has a nice buzzzzzz to it also.

Wheelbuilders? Can't LBS over there build wheels? How hard can it be ffs?

Wheel building isn't hard, I have built 2 sets for myself, however in this instance it's the price and selection for me.

Looks like you are going to have a great wheelset. Make sure you let us know how they perform.

Wheelbuilders? Can't LBS over there build wheels? How hard can it be ffs?

That's the real question I guess. It would have cost me $620 locally and the locals use lindseed oil only. I'm getting these for about $500. Universal cycles rattled off 4 different spoke preps that they do as well as the fact that they build wheels that don't require the typical 100 mile post build true.

They do it right the first time. This was info from reviews of actual customers. I felt I could trust that.

Lowcel: I plan to do a review comparing the performance differences between these and the typical XT/Rhyno Lite's.

Man, It almost hurts me to think of what your gonna do to those wheels, But congrats anyways, they're awesome!:D

Man, It almost hurts me to think of what your gonna do to those wheels, But congrats anyways, they're awesome!:D

You think you're sooooooo funny...just 'cause I out weigh you by 100lbs.:D

You think you're sooooooo funny...just 'cause I out weigh you by 100lbs.:D
It's kinda like an ant carrying a watermelon:eek:

From the feedback that I've gotten...the EX5.1d is tougher than the Rhyno Lite's. The spokes will be A-Okay. The nipples are brass instead of alloy like the ones on my XT Rhyno's. The Hope Hubs have sealed cartridge bearings, so no more grease seepage.

The new set should be in the neighbeehoo of 1923g. The old ones are 2470g.
I'm getting some Kenda 695g 2.35" DTC Nev's to replace my old 760g 2.35 Stick-E's that wear out too fast.
I'm going to use standard tubes instead of the "super heavy duty" ones I have now. That should save me about 150g.

So all in all...I hope to save a little over 800g in mostly rotating weight. That's over 1 3/4 pounds...and I'll still have a tougher wheelset than what I've got. Surely I'll feel that.

Just ordered my Nevegal's too. Dangit! I hope they get here soon.

Just ordered more shizzle, dizzle:
http://www.jensonusa.com/store/imgWrapper.aspx?img=/qr/qr707a02_black.jpg&type=3

I was going to get the Hope skewers but from what I've read they're pretty hit'n'miss as far as being able to hold the wheel on tight.

I've heard nothing but good things about the Salsa skewers. I had originally ordered red, but then I thought it may look goofy b/c I have a black frame and black fork...the skewer nuts and levers are on the outside of the frame and fork. I called and changed them to black. Should look pretty classy with black rims, nips, spokes, skewers and some schweet red Hope hubs.

It's easier to match blacks than reds anyway.

That's going to be a really nice setup, and saving 800g - you're going to be flying up the hills!

The wheel builder uses proper spoke prep, proper technique, and they tension them very uniforml. They mentioned that they build over 2000 wheels per year and all that crap, but the important thing they mentioned to me was that they have a ton of return business because people are happy with their build. They like to tension their wheels nice and tight too.

Any shop that builds (decent) wheels will use spoke prep, will tension them properly, and they will be tensioned uniformal. And the comment about tension them "nice and tight" is crap. They're is a specific amount of deflection the spoke should, it's not up to the builder to decide if he is going to make them "nice and tight". Can you notice a difference when riding if your spokes aren't "nice and tight."? I know I can't tell the difference when my front spokes are at about 80 Kgf as opposed to 120 Kgf.

What's wrong with boiled linseed oil? What is the advatage of the "4 different spoke preps" they said? You would think once they find one they liked, they would stick with it instead of using 4 different ones. Why not go with the DT Swiss ProLock nipples and forget about prep all together?

Just some thoughts.

Any shop that builds (decent) wheels will use spoke prep, will tension them properly, and they will be tensioned uniformal. And the comment about tension them "nice and tight" is crap. They're is a specific amount of deflection the spoke should, it's not up to the builder to decide if he is going to make them "nice and tight". Can you notice a difference when riding if your spokes aren't "nice and tight."? I know I can't tell the difference when my front spokes are at about 80 Kgf as opposed to 120 Kgf.

What's wrong with boiled linseed oil? What is the advatage of the "4 different spoke preps" they said? You would think once they find one they liked, they would stick with it instead of using 4 different ones. Why not go with the DT Swiss ProLock nipples and forget about prep all together?

Just some thoughts.

I agree. Also, I would rather buy wheels (If I didn't build my own) from a builder who builds 100 sets a year as opposed to 2000.

Well, you can crap on them all you want.

I did my research and the consensus is that they build good wheels. (edited useless crap out) It's nice that you know it and can't tell the difference between 80 & 120 Krappy gorilla farts when riding. Myself...I like 'em "nice and tight".

Why don't you go poop on someone elses dinner and let me have a warm and fuzzy freakin' day in my warm and fuzzy freakin' thread?

They use a tensiometer

Wooo!! So does every shop that builds wheels!!! Woooo!

Just ordered more shizzle, dizzle:
http://www.jensonusa.com/store/imgWrapper.aspx?img=/qr/qr707a02_black.jpg&type=3

I was going to get the Hope skewers but from what I've read they're pretty hit'n'miss as far as being able to hold the wheel on tight.

I've heard nothing but good things about the Salsa skewers. I had originally ordered red, but then I thought it may look goofy b/c I have a black frame and black fork...the skewer nuts and levers are on the outside of the frame and fork. I called and changed them to black. Should look pretty classy with black rims, nips, spokes, skewers and some schweet red Hope hubs.

It's easier to match blacks than reds anyway.


I suppose I'll be the one with the wheels falling off as I ordered Hope QR's :lol:

Don't patrinize me...you implied:

the comment about tension them "nice and tight" is crap

I know that there are specific values for wheelbuilding. I just don't know them. I know every shop uses meters. (or should)

You think using ProLock nipples negates the use of spoke prep? Maybe I don't want you to build my wheels.

I just don't understand why you have to crap on everything, man. It's valentines day...show the love.:rolleyes:

Cool story.


Again, I will quote Mark Weir:

I try to never discount another man's efforts

You are just pissing and moaning that I'm sending my money to someone that I know can build good wheels instead of my LBS.

My LBS can't even get me red hubs. Only black and gunsmoke.

I live in a small city...if I go to the internet to do business I think it's okay. Quit crappin' on it.

Cool story again.

Just answer my questions I stated in my first post: What is wrong w/ boiled linseed oil? What advantages do the "4 different spoke preps" hold over it? And, if you are so worried about prep, why not the Prolock nipples?

Oh, and I couldn't care less if you order your wheel through your lbs, hell I wouldn't even order a wheel from the shop I work at if I didn't work there, cause we carry jack ****, and mark up is a *****. My point is, a shop will (should) do just a good a job as an online retailer BUILDING the wheels. i never mentioned you should have bought them at your lbs.

I suppose I'll be the one with the wheels falling off as I ordered Hope QR's :lol:

Yup, your skrood dood.

Lemme know how they work though. If they prove to be sturdy...I still may order some in the future.

Yup, your skrood dood.

Lemme know how they work though. If they prove to be sturdy...I still may order some in the future.

Yeh, for sure as I want to track how our wheels hold up as well, seeing as we are getting them from the same place, with the same hubs. And me with my loosey goosey QR's :D

The wheels sets I built I just used a general oil to prep the spokes. They held together fine, and the one set I still own and use are still true to this day, 12 years later.

The wheels sets I built I just used a general oil to prep the spokes. They held together fine, and the one set I still own and use are still true to this day, 12 years later.

What? You didn't use one of the "4 different spoke preps"? And they're holding up fine?

Something is fishy here...

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What? You didn't use one of the "4 different spoke preps"? And they're holding up fine?

Something is fishy here...

:D

Well, I have only built 2 sets, so it's maybe likely they know something I may not....

Yup, your skrood dood.

Lemme know how they work though. If they prove to be sturdy...I still may order some in the future.

I seen this and immediately though of myself with the Hope Skewers :lol: