General Cycling Discussion - Rainman and John E tackle Torrey Pines

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RainmanP
05-13-03, 01:01 PM
As I posted a couple of weeks ago business has, sadly, brought me to San Diego. I know, I know, but I think I will muddle through. I will just have to get used to temperatures in the 60s after a few weeks of high-80s/90s and high humidity back home in the swamp.

John E, one of our vintage buddies here on BF not only offered to meet me for a ride, he let me ride one of his vintage stable, a very nice Peugeot he got at a garage sale. John, meanwhile was riding his 1950's era Coppo (is that the correct spelling, John?). So what you had was two vintage cylists on two vintage cycles. I don't even want to add up the combined ages of the 4 participants involved.

Following John's instructions I took the commuter train up a couple of stops to meet him at the station where he had stashed the extra bike in his bike locker. Within a few minutes we were rolling. A few hundred meters down the road we pulled into a Performance bike shop to top off the tires and water bottles. While we were there it seemed like an appropriate place to have a picture taken (sorry for the glare off my head :eek: !). Of course the shop guy suggested we take it in front of their NEW bikes. Right there between us on the floor is a Giant TCR. If I ever buy a new bike that would be a candidate.

We rolled out of the shop and headed uphill. Now keep in mind that where I come from the only "hills" we have are overpasses and levees (to keep the lake and river out since New Orleans is BELOW sea level). The first couple of miles were no big deal, but when John said "Well, here is the start of the Torrey Pines climb." I was looking up at something like I have seen only in very small bits, but this one kept going and going. I got into the smallest gear I had, 34/23, and proceeded to grind uphill. Actually, it wasn't nearly as bad as I had feared. My cadence probably didn't exceed 40 rpm, but we just took our time. John was very kind and didn't run off up the hill like I had the feeling he probably could have. It wasn't easy, but I never got out of breath or suffered. At the top John showed me around the old lodge. It was originally a restaurant, but now is part of the state reserve and serves as a visitor center and museum. We saw the stuffed cousin of one of the local fauna whose aroma we had enjoyed on the way to the top. John caught a glimpse of a live one right behind the restrooms while I was inside. I'm glad he wasn't looking for a warm spot to spend the evening!.

Other than a few rolling spots much of the rest of the ride was downhill. John led me through the campus of UCSD, including a drive by of the UCSC Bike Shop where, as John says, "Cycling is academic." Pretty neat for a university to have it's own bike shop! It really says something about how popular cycling is out here. Once through the campus John led me another couple of miles down the road to the head of a bike path that would get me started on 12-15 miles back to downtown San Diego while he headed north about the same distance home. He had thoughtfully printed out maps and instructions to get me back "home" safe and sound. Much of the way was on bike paths, including a mile or two that was so separated visually from roadways I could almost have been in some deserted canyon by myself except that I could hear the traffic not too far away. Another stretch that went on for what seemed like several miles winds along the water in the Mission Bay area. Riding lazily along the shoreline in the early evening was a wonderful experience. It is a mixed use path where the speed limit is 8 mph. Luckily, I figured I had plenty of daylight left so I was in no hurry and enjoyed seeing so many people out walking, jogging, and skating.

When I got to the end of the bike path I had a moment of uncertainty, but before I could pull out the map I noticed that there was a Bike Route sign with arrows pointing the direction of 2 or 3 destinations, including "DOWNTOWN". How fine is that? From then on I just followed the signs which seemed to be there right when I needed them. Once I got to the edge of downtown I was able to head right to the hotel.

I had an absolutely wonderful time. Thank you, John, for taking time to show me around a beautiful area and for providing a bike for me to ride. I was MUCH more comfortable riding a good old road bike. John is very active in the San Diego bicycle coalition, and many of the bike paths, lanes, signage, and old streets now dedicated to bike are due to the efforts of John and his friends. Well done, John. Thanks for the time you spent with me and the time you devote to improving cycling.
Regards,
Raymond


txroadie
05-13-03, 01:40 PM
I was stationed out there during my stint in the Navy. Knowing what I know now, I wish I'd been into cycling back then. Ahhhh well. There is a cool place near Torrey Pines where the hang gliders jump off the side of the cliff. Can't remember the name of it though.

VegasCyclist
05-13-03, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by RainmanP
Other than a few rolling spots much of the rest of the ride was downhill. John led me through the campus of UCSD, including a drive by of the UCSC Bike Shop where, as John says, "Cycling is academic." Pretty neat for a university to have it's own bike shop! It really says something about how popular cycling is out here.

makes me want to transfer to ucsd! :p

I enjoyed the post rainman it's nice to see BF members meet up and spin :D

P.S. ever thought of trying the sheldon brown cue ball look? :p


DnvrFox
05-13-03, 07:33 PM
I told you that you would love the Torrey Pines Grade. Next, you need to walk along the beach down the cliffrs at low tide.

A really neat experience.

Hey, come to Colorado and try some REAL mountians! :)

Oops. I forgot you are planning on doing Independence Pass. And you thought Torrey Pines was steep!! Incidentally, last time I did Independence Pass, it was extremely narrow. That was some years back by car. Perhaps they have widened it a bit??

RainmanP
05-13-03, 08:26 PM
DnvrFox,
I know! Don't think I haven't been thinking about 20 miles of climbing! I'm thinking I will rent a mountain bike instead of a road bike so I can get the lowest possible gears!

Vegas Cyclist,
There is actually just a leeeettle bit more hair than is obvious in this picture, but not much. Every time I mention trying the cue ball look, Rainbabe makes vague threats about my sleeping on the sofa or possibly outside.

DnvrFox
05-13-03, 08:58 PM
Independence Pass is a Colorado Scenic and Historic Byway that is maintained by the Colorado Department of Transportation (CDOT). Part of State Highway 82, it is the highest paved state highway over the Continental Divide in Colorado. Though it is a paved road, it can be narrow and winding and therefore difficult to traverse in poor weather. It also has steep dropoffs in places along the route. Several areas of the roadway can only accommodate a single car width, so drivers must use caution and pay close attention when confronted with oncoming traffic.

http://www.sh82.com/indfacts.html


The Pass travels through 32 miles of mountainous terrain. The summit of the Pass reaches an elevation of 12,095 feet.

:D :D :D :mad:

Chris L
05-13-03, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by DnvrFox
Hey, come to Colorado and try some REAL mountians! :)


Careful, buddy.... You're tempting me....

:D

ngateguy
05-13-03, 09:23 PM
My brother lives down in San Diego on Mission bay I have done a lot of riding down there but haven't been up to Torrey pines yet I do suggest the Silver Strand trail that takes you to Coronado the first ride I ever did down there was from Downtown own south to silver strand and north to Coronado what a kick ride. San Diego is the best cycling city I have been to so far as far as thew amenities they have for us down there. And the coolest part is that my brother has finally seen the light after several of my trips down there (what are you doing today Dave, hmm I think I will ride the bike) he has been bitten by the bug he called me Saturday all jazzed 'cause he just finished his first metric century (I didn't even know he had done his first 100 yards the mans been training behind my back) and I am all jazzed because I have another ridding partner down there now. Rainman do be careful of that big warm yellow thing in the sky don't directly look at it it may hurt you :beer:

outashape
05-13-03, 11:18 PM
I enjoyed reading about your ride with another bike forums member. I have met several members on different organized rides.

DnvrFox
05-14-03, 06:08 AM
One view of Independence Pass

DnvrFox
05-14-03, 06:29 AM
And another

RainmanP
05-14-03, 07:48 AM
ngateguy,
I looking forward to doing at least part of the Silver Strand with William Karstens this afternoon. I think we are going to take the ferry over to Coronado then ride down to Imperial Beach and back up to Coronado. I would like to do the whole loop, but I don't think we will have time. About your user name, do you design ICs or something similar?

DnvrFox,
Oh yeah, as if the altitude issue alone weren't scary enough, THANKS a bunch for that cute little description. :D On the other hand those views make it even more enticing!
Regards,
Raymond

Pete Clark
05-14-03, 08:09 AM
Good writing and great showing out for the BF family.

Raymond, thanks. You add your own particular flavor to Bikeforums. Priceless.

I am looking for the resurrection of Mike Stone's commentaries from overseas experiences. Miss it...

:(

RainmanP
05-14-03, 08:32 AM
Pete,
One of these days I WILL get to Atlanta, and we WILL ride together! Is it possible to ride up Stone Mountain?
Regards,
Raymond

hillyman
05-14-03, 09:03 AM
Hey RainmanP,
I wish you would have taken the picture of the 'old' bikes of Johns. Not that I don't like new bikes but we can look at them anytime.
San Diego sounds like a great place to be! Mmmm, I've got a brother that lives in Pomona. Maybe I'll have to get out there someday.
Kenny

SipperPhoto
05-14-03, 11:38 AM
If ya'll ever make a SoCal trip during I weekend... I'd love to meet up and get a little ride in... I'm going on vacation next week to the Eastern US, and down to New Orleans (rainman's neck of the woods)... but alas, I'll be off the bike for about 9 days... probably too busy seeign things to get any riding in :-)

Jeff

p.s. Rainman--still up for a meet and greet ? I'll be in NO Wednesday May 28th in the afternoon and I fly out Saturday morning the 31st... I don't think i'm gonna be riding at all... but be you can point me in the direction of the Funky Butt, or somewhere else you told me about :-)

John E
05-14-03, 11:39 AM
Here is a link to two pictures of a Montana gent's 1961 Capo, with (what's left of) the original paint job:

http://www.tc-homes.com/bike/forum/fg-bikes/cowgill.htm

Mine is currently a very tired dull red, but I plan to have CyclArt repaint it in the original red-and-white color scheme, which shows off the elaborate lugwork with a nice reference to the Austrian flag (3 broad horizontal stripes, red-white-red).

Several months ago, I posted a picture of John Nielsen's 98%-original 1960 thirtieth anniversary edition Capo, with its candy red-orange paint and chromed lugs, stays, and forks (and intact Reynolds 531 decals!).

After Torrey Pines, Rainman can tell you why I have set mine up as a 14-speed road bike with 52-44/14-28 gearing, instead of a fixed-gear.

Pete Clark
05-14-03, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by RainmanP
Pete,
One of these days I WILL get to Atlanta, and we WILL ride together! Is it possible to ride up Stone Mountain?

I don't think so, but a friend of mine lost about 100 pounds jogging up the mountain. Still, there are some neat hills and scenery. Admission to the park is free if you're on a bike.

Just promise me you won't laugh at my bike or me.

;)

Greg
05-14-03, 12:53 PM
Quality posts by BF Legends.

Thanks guys.

RainmanP
05-14-03, 02:00 PM
SipperPhoto,
You have no excuse not to ride with me. I have extra bikes, helmets, gloves, shoes, you name it. :D

Email me so I can give you my phone numbers, etc.
Regards,
Raymond

ngateguy
05-14-03, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by RainmanP
ngateguy,
I looking forward to doing at least part of the Silver Strand with William Karstens this afternoon. I think we are going to take the ferry over to Coronado then ride down to Imperial Beach and back up to Coronado. I would like to do the whole loop, but I don't think we will have time. About your user name, do you design ICs or something similar?

The Strand is the best part of the ride anyway the other side is pretty much just city riding. And no I do not design IC's, though I wish i did. I run the shipping department for a large marine supply warehouse. ngateguy is short for Northgate the neighborhood I lived in when I first went on the net both my nicknames where already taken so I had to make one up.

John E
05-14-03, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by ngateguy
... And no I do not design IC's, though I wish i did. ...

That's actually how I support my cycling habit (and family).

RainmanP
05-15-03, 02:06 AM
John,
I KNEW you did techie stuff! Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't an n-gate a type of transistor? That's why I thought ngateguy was in the biz.
Regards,
Raymond

SD Fixed
05-15-03, 10:04 AM
You guys make me want to start searching garage sales to find an old road bike.

I'm wondering how much a fixed gear rear wheel cost?

ngateguy
05-15-03, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by John E
That's actually how I support my cycling habit (and family).

I find that my first job isn't quite paying for my cycling habit I have been looking into a second job as a bank robber I hear if you do it right you don't have to declare it on your taxes :p