"The 33"-Road Bike Racing - Quicksilver training race - my version

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MDcatV
03-05-07, 12:02 PM
I’m digging all these race reports, sounds like everyone had a successful weekend and kept the rubber side down by and large.

First race of the year for me, training series at quicksilver, in Dulles, Virginia. Did the “A” race (Cat 1/2/3 but very heavy on the 1s and 2s, very light on the 3s). Super windy and with the large warehouse buildings out there directing the wind, all but a small portion of the “D” shaped course was into a head wind. Three teammates, we decided to be instigators and really aggressive to see what our legs had in them. We decided there would be no move without one of us in it, and if no moves were going, we’d get them started. One of my teammates went off the front pretty early, and hard. He’s a bigger guy at about 170 – 175 lbs and super powerful. He took a couple of riders with him and rode them off his wheel into a head wind – very cool. After a lap of so, I could see him up there looking around and obviously pedaling squares so I leapt up to him, felt pretty snappy at that point. Although we’re unknown to the big players in the field, the 2 of us got some notice and we were joined quickly by a group, and shortly thereafter by the rest of the field. At that point I put in an attack and got out solo, the wind was so brutal at one point I was going max effort to hit 18 mph – talk about deflating. After a few miles (close to 2 laps) I was seeing cross-eyed and joined by a chase of 6 to 8 riders. I was able to cling onto the back of that group, but just barely. The group didn’t have a lot of punch and the field joined up. After re-grouping, the really strong men, maybe 10 or so, countered and split the field, I was going backward at that point, as was my 1st teammate who attacked earlier, but our 3rd guy got into the move. Good on him!

Teammate and I stayed at the front of the field hoping for a chase or bridge effort that we could get a ride with. A few tried and we each tried a few of our own, but the breakaway group was too fast, wind too brutal, and we were too tapped to get up there. Early last lap, my teammate was toward the front and I fell back a bit looking for a guy I know to be a powerful sprinter. Boom, there he is and I put myself on his wheel. He’s a Mcewen type that needs minimal leadout. We picked our way through the pack, which was splintered and beaten by that point. I was psyched thinking my position was perfect and I had a shot at the field sprint. Too bad my legs didn’t agree, when we got up beside my teammate who was still in the field I told him to get in front of me. I opened up a gap and let him in. Last turn, our mark leading out, teammate in front of me, then me, and 2 other guys behind. If anyone near dulles airport heard a large explosion around 2 p.m., it was me blowing up. The guy who was our mark won the field sprint; teammate was second, 2 guys who started behind me 3rd and 4th, me 5th. Not sure how many were in the break, but our teammate up there gave it he11 and finished top 10.

Since it was a training race, and we were in over our heads a little, we werent very concerned about results. We were very pleased we had someone in the final selection, but wish we would have had one more of us so we could have worked it to our advantage. The take home is that our team is strong, my own form is coming around pretty well, and most of those Cat 1s and 2s are faster than I am. Also, I felt a little uncomfortable mid pack and moving around in a crowd. Next week, I’ve gotta work on getting more comfortable and confident hiding and being patient.


dbduke
03-06-07, 07:49 AM
We did pretty good for a bunch of 3s.

VosBike
03-06-07, 08:42 AM
Nice race, sounds like a good time.

Bad time to blow up, eh?


Lithuania
03-07-07, 10:54 AM
Am I reading this correct. You are cat 3 and finished 5th in the 123 race? Thats awesome

MDcatV
03-07-07, 02:47 PM
Am I reading this correct. You are cat 3 and finished 5th in the 123 race? Thats awesome

No, 5th in the field sprint, there were approx. 10 guys up the road so that would put me 15th-ish overall.

DrPete
03-07-07, 02:50 PM
Hey, still an accomplishment. Congrats! :beer:

Lithuania
03-07-07, 02:56 PM
yeah that is still awesome.

MDcatV
03-07-07, 03:00 PM
thanks and thanks. it was fun, I like the aggressive nature of a field where cat 1s and 2s are lurking. hopefully the weather will be suitable to do it again this saturday.

Lithuania
03-07-07, 03:01 PM
I wish I could stick around to watch other races on saturday. im just lucky enough to get off work long enough to race my own race.

So no tradezone for you?

MDcatV
03-07-07, 03:19 PM
^no tz, for where I am in training right now, I like getting in a race effort on sat and a longer ride in on sunday. I think it's pretty cool you're racing on your lunch break.

Lithuania
03-07-07, 03:23 PM
if anything its a great way to break up the 12 hour work day i have. I am just lucky quicksilver is so close to my work. Otherwise I miss out on any Saturday racing.

53x11
03-08-07, 08:09 AM
very smart racing tacktics to ride people off your wheel in the first laps of the crit!

into headwind? Brilliant!!


chasing a break with your teammate in it just so you can "bridge" -fantastic!!

your way of racing is counter productive even for a "training" race- typical cat 4/3 mentality.

MDcatV
03-08-07, 10:00 AM
very smart racing tacktics to ride people off your wheel in the first laps of the crit!

into headwind? Brilliant!!


chasing a break with your teammate in it just so you can "bridge" -fantastic!!

your way of racing is counter productive even for a "training" race- typical cat 4/3 mentality.


OK - I posted this to try and learn from the experience of others.

Riding people off wheels in early stages of a crit with lots of wind, yeah, that was less than wise, but was just a tester for the legs. It was a training race afterall.

Chasing - we weren't chasing at all. I understand that when a teammate is in a break, options are to:

1- sit in the field
2 - try to bridge to add horsepower to the break, without bringing the field with us
3 - get a ride across with another, again to add horsepower to the break
4 - race negatively and block

As we were trying options 2 and 3, I'm not sure what we did was counter productive. Please expound on what we should have done to make this a more productive effort.

dbduke
03-08-07, 10:39 AM
having been involved i would have to say, I went into this race worried I would get shelled. My objective was to get in the mix and still finish. The result is I now have more confidence to rely on when we are racing in our cat.

So knowing we wanted to build confidence, we did just what we set out to do.

VosBike
03-08-07, 11:04 AM
chasing a break with your teammate in it just so you can "bridge" -fantastic!!


Pulling the pack around and trying to bridge are two very different things. I don't know how easily people were staying on MDcatV's wheel when he was trying to 'bridge', but it is very possible that he was getting clean seperation and not carrying any one else along towards the break.

53x11
03-08-07, 01:01 PM
OK - I posted this to try and learn from the experience of others.

Riding people off wheels in early stages of a crit with lots of wind, yeah, that was less than wise, but was just a tester for the legs. It was a training race afterall.

Chasing - we weren't chasing at all. I understand that when a teammate is in a break, options are to:

1- sit in the field
2 - try to bridge to add horsepower to the break, without bringing the field with us
3 - get a ride across with another, again to add horsepower to the break
4 - race negatively and block

As we were trying options 2 and 3, I'm not sure what we did was counter productive. Please expound on what we should have done to make this a more productive effort.



IMHO in the first 15 and last 15 minuts of any flat criterium any kinf of breakaway attempts are suicidal becasue in the begginning everyone is fresh and at the end everyone is alert.


set your computer to 18 minutes times from the start and do all attempts after that mark.

if you still in the pack 5 laps to go, just sit in top 10 and prepare leadout for your sprinter!

and 90% of all breakaways in flat criteriums get caught in cat 5-3 so why bother? good leadout for your sprinter has most chances of working.

MDcatV
03-08-07, 01:30 PM
IMHO in the first 15 and last 15 minuts of any flat criterium any kinf of breakaway attempts are suicidal becasue in the begginning everyone is fresh and at the end everyone is alert.


set your computer to 18 minutes times from the start and do all attempts after that mark.

if you still in the pack 5 laps to go, just sit in top 10 and prepare leadout for your sprinter!

and 90% of all breakaways in flat criteriums get caught in cat 5-3 so why bother? good leadout for your sprinter has most chances of working.

I've been racing only a few years, but I havent found what you say here to be true. I've been in and missed successful breakaways that have formed in the 1st few laps and have been long gone by the 15 min. point of a criterium.

Lithuania
03-08-07, 02:43 PM
and 90% of all breakaways in flat criteriums get caught in cat 5-3 so why bother? good leadout for your sprinter has most chances of working.

funny you say that because ive seen solo breakaways make it on this same course and the day after this particular event at an even flatter crit a solo flyer took the cat 5 race.

anyways this race mdcatv is talking about was a 123

Kris Flatlander
03-08-07, 09:24 PM
I'll take a 1 in 10 chance over no win any day, I think that's a rough quote of Jens Voight on breakaways and their effectiveness