Living Car Free - Jobs for the car-free cyclist

A side effect of all this is that sometimes I begin to feel like a "green" -- or at least something outside the norm.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.... ;)

It's fairly respectable to be green these days.

It's fairly respectable to be green these days.
Yeah, even the right wing Christians and neo-cons are crowding on the Big Green Bandwagon!

...Lip service...

DUH! :rolleyes:

You have immense talent for overstating the obvious and making pointless points.

Have you considered that since this is a Carfree forum, "maintaining a specific transportation" is a priority for most people here? Actually, that's kinda the whole point of this subforum - believe it or don't.
Learn to read. Ziemas made the all encompassing statement that no one needs a car for a job. PERIOD. No qualifiers about the jobs held by handful of people who are posters on this forum and actually have a living wage job. I commented on that statement.

Get over yourself; the world doesn't spin around your lifestyle requirements.

Yeah, even the right wing Christians and neo-cons are crowding on the Big Green Bandwagon!

...Lip service...

I have often wondered about "right wing Christian", I am a Christian, and the more I think of it, the term Right Wing Christian becomes more of an oxymoron. If you read the book of Acts in the Bible, about the closest thing to the early church teachings would be Communism, in that members of the church were encouraged to give freely of what they had, to those in need.

Actually if one wants to live Biblically, one needs to be green after all in Genesis Chapter 2 we are told in verse 15: Then the LORD God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it.

I don't see anything in there about polluting it, and destroying it. The planet is our Eden today, so we should be tending it and keeping it, not pilaging and lootiing it.

I have often wondered about "right wing Christian", I am a Christian, and the more I think of it, the term Right Wing Christian becomes more of an oxymoron. If you read the book of Acts in the Bible, about the closest thing to the early church teachings would be Communism, in that members of the church were encouraged to give freely of what they had, to those in need.

Actually if one wants to live Biblically, one needs to be green after all in Genesis Chapter 2 we are told in verse 15: Then the LORD God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it.

I don't see anything in there about polluting it, and destroying it. The planet is our Eden today, so we should be tending it and keeping it, not pilaging and lootiing it.
My brother (disclaimer: he's an atheist) has studied the Bible extensively as part of a requirement for his Liberal Arts degree, and what he's found is that "Right-Wing" Christians don't seem to follow it at all. It's like they don't understand what they read, or only memorize the passages that agree with their viewpoints while ignoring the ones that don't :rolleyes:

Get over yourself; the world doesn't spin around your lifestyle requirements.
I agree. The world doesn't spin around my "lifestyle requirements" (whatever that means in English). Far from it -- the world seems to be doing its best to hamper my carfree lifestyle.

But this forum does spin around Carfree Living, hence its name. So get over that.

I have often wondered about "right wing Christian", I am a Christian, and the more I think of it, the term Right Wing Christian becomes more of an oxymoron. If you read the book of Acts in the Bible, about the closest thing to the early church teachings would be Communism, in that members of the church were encouraged to give freely of what they had, to those in need.

Actually if one wants to live Biblically, one needs to be green after all in Genesis Chapter 2 we are told in verse 15: Then the LORD God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it.

I don't see anything in there about polluting it, and destroying it. The planet is our Eden today, so we should be tending it and keeping it, not pilaging and lootiing it.
Let me clarify. Many right wingers are not Christians; many Christians are not right wingers. I did NOT mean to characterize or insult Christians. But maybe a little bit I did mean to characterize and insult right wingers. ;) So if I could say it over again, I'd hope to make that clear.

But OTOH, organized Christianity has not yet had much to say about the environment. I've read a couple articles suggesting that may be changing a little. They're calling it "stewardship" and working from the assumption you mentioned, that God gave us dominion over the Earth, and with that the responsibility to manage it wisely.

Yeah, even the right wing Christians and neo-cons are crowding on the Big Green Bandwagon!

I think they should. What could be more conservative than trying to preserve the planet for your children and grandchildren? Being "green" should be more of an ethical than a political consideration.

Being "green" should be more of an ethical than a political consideration.

*clap clap*

A truly excellent point. I'm pretty progressive about most things, but not everything (I prefer to think for myself), and the party line-ism has to stop, or we are truly the sheep of authoritarian-composed dicta, whether left or right. There are, however, some ideas that should seem ethically obvious to everyone in the Kantian sense, and I would think attempts to keep the Earth as clean as possible would be one of them, since it benefits all of us.

I assumed that jobs which rely on cars as a necessary part of the working day were not part of the equation as this is the Car Free section of BF.....

Then it was an error of semantics as you made an otherwise blanket statement that "All jobs are compatible with a car free lifestyle. It's only a way to get to work. "

I was not trying to read into your statement and took it for what it says. Sadly many disagreements on the internet are due to imprecise use of language such as this. If you didn't mean "ALL" jobs then use a different word or statement.

-D

There's no point in worrying about the environment's effects on your children and grandchildren if you think the world is about to erupt in to a hellish orgy of destruction and chaos. (http://www.rr-bb.com/forumdisplay.php?f=20)

Meanwhile political groups like Focus/Family and Family Research Council use and abuse the name of real Christianity like a Tijuana wh-re in order to rake in millions for political campaigns for cronies bent on establishing theocratic rule on our society.

Where does that leave a decent, moderate, respectful Christian that simply tends to their family and neighbors and lives a quiet life without being a judgemental prick? Sadly, typecast of one of the two characters above, as I just did.

The good and decent "Ned Flanders" Christians need to reclaim the name Christian from the despicable money grubbing political organizations and the delusional extreme right wingers that think Satan's henchmen planted dinosaur bones for evil scientists to find.

Since going mostly car free 3 years ago, (we have a car, my wife uses it because her job is at odd hours and 40 miles away and our daughter is still too young for the trailer), I have been managing restaurants. Currently I am the General Manager for a location that will do close to a million dollars in gross sales this year. My staff is aware that I ride, my boss knows that I ride, I get to work on time, I get to off site meetings on time and I am always dressed appropriately for work. If you are committed to living this way, there is no reason you shouldn't be able to have the job you want as long as you are qualified for the position. Good luck.

Yeah, even the right wing Christians and neo-cons are crowding on the Big Green Bandwagon!



Why not? Where else are we going to go; both the major parties are bought and paid for by Big Interests

Since going mostly car free 3 years ago, (we have a car, my wife uses it because her job is at odd hours and 40 miles away and our daughter is still too young for the trailer), I have been managing restaurants. Currently I am the General Manager for a location that will do close to a million dollars in gross sales this year. My staff is aware that I ride, my boss knows that I ride, I get to work on time, I get to off site meetings on time and I am always dressed appropriately for work. If you are committed to living this way, there is no reason you shouldn't be able to have the job you want as long as you are qualified for the position. Good luck.

As I noted earlier you've most likely proven yourself in your job so now it's irrevelent how you manage your time between and outside of work functions. People interviewing at lower wage jobs encounter employers asking invading questions about personal logistics. That makes it difficult for someone who fails to follow society's norm to the letter, hence my position "just say whatever's easiest and what the want to hear"

If I'm interviewing a job candidate I'm already assuming the person sitting with me is capable of arriving to the office, tying their shoes, operating a PC/internet, and other basic functions of daily life. At a low wage job with high turnover employers have to scrape the bottom of the barrel and interview people UNqualified in operating an alarm clock, hence they're very nosy and dig deep into their personal lives. Pay better? You'll reap the rewards.

If I were actually asked the question "How am I getting to work", I'd either laugh or be insulted. That's like asking if I know how to dial a telephone.

As I noted earlier you've most likely proven yourself in your job so now it's irrevelent how you manage your time between and outside of work functions. People interviewing at lower wage jobs encounter employers asking invading questions about personal logistics. That makes it difficult for someone who fails to follow society's norm to the letter, hence my position "just say whatever's easiest and what the want to hear"

If I'm interviewing a job candidate I'm already assuming the person sitting with me is capable of arriving to the office, tying their shoes, operating a PC/internet, and other basic functions of daily life. At a low wage job with high turnover employers have to scrape the bottom of the barrel and interview people UNqualified in operating an alarm clock, hence they're very nosy and dig deep into their personal lives. Pay better? You'll reap the rewards.

If I were actually asked the question "How am I getting to work", I'd either laugh or be insulted. That's like asking if I know how to dial a telephone.

I interview and hire all the time. I was taught years ago that I could ask, "do you have a reliable way to get to and from work for the hours you're telling me you're available?". Thats it, and this was before I rode a bike, I was still a cager. And for 60% of my staff, I am their first job. Now it was different when I managed the pizza place and was hiring drivers. Personally, I don't care how they get to work, car, bus, train, bike, dogsled, whatever. Just don't be late.