"The 33"-Road Bike Racing - Training Wheels and Race Wheels

Do you use a separate wheelset for training and racing? What do you se for each? Tires?

two training wheelsets, two race wheelsets, plus a disc.

404 Tubulars (carbon braking) for most racing. Conti Tubulars
Fir Killing System Disc for TTs. Conti Tubular
Shimano 7800 clincher (Aluminum braking) wheelset for rainy races or sketchy roads. Conti Attack/Force
Alex and easton wheelsets for training. Specialized armadillo

I switch between race tires and training tires. But even now, with races every weekend, I get lazy during the week sometimes and just leave the race tires on. Tires are Schwalbe Evolutions, with the separate front and rear tires with different treads.

I'd like some nice carbon tubulars for races. I recently scratched together some money, but put it towards a power meter instead.

Maybe next season for the carbon bling wheels.

yes,

Training (handbuilt): Fir Pin Rims laced to Miche hubs (36 DT spoked), Tires: Conti GP4000

Racing: Reynolds Alta Race, Tires: Vittoria Open Corsa EVO CX


My training wheels are bombproof but VERY heavy. The added weight is a nice training device and the bombproofness is a must on the crap roads I ride on.

Training wheelset is a PowerTap SL / open pro rear. Front wheel is also my climbing race wheel. It is an American Classic hub / RR1.1 rim.

For climbing races I use the American Classic / RR1.1 front and back built by Mike Garcia.
For flatter races I use Spinergy Stealth PBO carbons.

Training Wheels: Mavic Cosmos with Pro2Race
Mavic Ksyrium Elite with Pro2Race
Training and Racing Wheels: Mavic Ksyrium SSC SL with Pro2Race
Racing Wheels: Reynolds Stratus DV Carbon Clinchers with Pro2Race

I'm not going to bore you with brand names.

Yes, it's good to have separate wheels for training and racing.
My training wheels are usually heavier rims with heavy tires.

Now, some people will argue that there is no benefit to training with heavier wheels, but those people are wrong.

Training wheels: DT Swiss RR 1.1 front laced to a Cyclops hub RR 1.1 rear PowerTap SL (campagnolo) Continental Gatorskins

Race Wheels: Flat to rolling RR's and crits Reynolds Stratus DV UL's (Vittoria Tubular tires). Hilly to mountainous RR's Reynolds KOM UL's (Vittoria Tubular tires)

Wheel truck: Open Pros with Chorus hubs and Gatorskins (also my back up training wheels).

TT Renn 575 clincher (Vittoria CX) Nimble tri spoke tubular (Tufo S2)

Well, I haven't officially started racing yet....

Train on Bontrager Race Lite wheels w/ Bontrager Race Lite HardCase tires.

Will race on Niobium 30 wheels that Mike Garcia built up, 20f/24r DT Super Comp triple butted spokes, SpeedCific Serenity hubs, brass nipples on the drive side (alu ones everywhere else), steel skewers, Michelin Pro 2 Race tires.

Well, I haven't officially started racing yet....

Train on Bontrager Race Lite wheels w/ Bontrager Race Lite HardCase tires.

Will race on Niobium 30 wheels that Mike Garcia built up, 20f/24r DT Super Comp triple butted spokes, SpeedCific Serenity hubs, brass nipples on the drive side (alu ones everywhere else), steel skewers, Michelin Pro 2 Race tires.

enough talking the talk, time to start walking the walk. :D

April 14th :)

April 14th :)

no time like the present. get your ass down to bethel (http://www.carpediemracing.org/index2007.html) tomorrow.

Oh....yeah, I actually looked into that the other week. Looks interesting, but there's a closer series to me in East Hartford that starts up in I think May....

Yes, different wheels...

Training: Reynolds Alta Race
Racing: Reynolds Stratus DV UL

Crappy weather wheels: Bontrager Race
Trainer wheels (rear): Shimano WH-R540

I know, I know... too many wheels... I just can't help myself from finding new deals! :-)

Yes, different wheels...

Training: Reynolds Alta Race
Racing: Reynolds Stratus DV UL

Crappy weather wheels: Bontrager Race
Trainer wheels (rear): Shimano WH-R540

I know, I know... too many wheels... I just can't help myself from finding new deals! :-)

no such thing as too many wheelsets!

Training = Ksyrium Equipe's with Hutchisons
Racing = Zipp 340 Tubular (Carbon braking surface, 24/28h Zipp Carbon front and DA7800 rear) Vittoria's

I'd also use the Ksyriums for wet / sketchy / rough / poorly supported (bad enough to carry a tube and pump to get home on) races.

I'm eventually going to get some Open Pros or Open Sports for training on. Possibly by selling the Ksyriums, I'm not sure. I don't like them all that much and I'd rather have some non-bladed, box section wheels for training on.

Training and racing: Zipp 404 clinchers with a PT SL

Also have a set of Zipp 303 tubulars that I'm going to use for hilly races.

And a HED Disc and Tri spoke for TT's

Now, some people will argue that there is no benefit to training with heavier wheels, but those people are wrong.

Incorrect.

Training/Rainy Weather Wheels-32 spoke Mavic Open Pros/Campy Ventos
Race Wheels-Rolf Vigor SL's and Rolf Elan's
Racing tires vary from Michelin Pro Race, Pro Grip, Deda Tre Corsa, and Veloflex Pave.
Sometimes I use my race wheels on fast group training rides if the weather is good.

I think training outside regularly on an aero (50mm deep dish type) front wheel will let you get away with using a similar wheel in windy conditions. I did this for many years using a front (Specialized) Trispoke and would use my race Trispokes at races. I was more squirrelly on non-aero wheels than aero wheels.

I train on either a Trispoke (clincher) front, old Eurus, or some FIR wheels. Most of the time I train on the Eurus on a trainer as I rarely ride outside.

I race on either Trispokes (tubs), Reynolds DVs (tubs), or if I got scared of the wind, some random non-aero front wheel. Don't remember the last time I ran into that situation.

cdr

All wheels have Michelin ProRace2's

Racing: Cosmic Carbones
Training/Racing: Ksyrium SL's & 2.4PT laced to open pro
Training: Ksyrium Equipes

Incorrect.

What the **** is with all of these people with one word contradictory replies.

"Wrong."

"Incorrect."

You really should back that up with something, especially if you're shooting down someone like EventServices who is widely regarded as a knowledgeable poster on this forum and the Road Cycling forum.

Yeah, that really awesome statement of "Incorrect" is going to convince a lot of people that ES is wrong and some dick from NC named "zimbo" is an expert in the field who is 100% correct.


Some benefits:

Durability
Lower Price
Ease of Repair / Replacement Parts

Thats not even getting into the whole argument that your race wheels will feel lighter on race day (I can easily tell the difference between my 340s and Ksyriums in both stiffness and spin-up). That's certainly a psychological boost...

it's sort of an bikeforums inside joke to say "incorrect"

it's sort of an bikeforums inside joke to say "incorrect"

correct.

it's sort of an bikeforums inside joke to say "incorrect"

It's basically people taking a pot shot at Botto

What the **** is with all of these people with one word contradictory replies.

"Wrong."

"Incorrect."

You really should back that up with something, especially if you're shooting down someone like EventServices who is widely regarded as a knowledgeable poster on this forum and the Road Cycling forum.

Yeah, that really awesome statement of "Incorrect" is going to convince a lot of people that ES is wrong and some dick from NC named "zimbo" is an expert in the field who is 100% correct.


Some benefits:

Durability
Lower Price
Ease of Repair / Replacement Parts

Thats not even getting into the whole argument that your race wheels will feel lighter on race day (I can easily tell the difference between my 340s and Ksyriums in both stiffness and spin-up). That's certainly a psychological boost...

relax.

It's basically people taking a pot shot at Botto

incorrect. :rolleyes:

Potshot? It's more of an homage, really.

Yeah, that really awesome statement of "Incorrect" is going to convince a lot of people that ES is wrong and some dick from NC named "zimbo" is an expert in the field who is 100% correct.


Incorrect.

But seriously, dude, you need to calm down. ES claimed that using heavier wheels somehow provides some sort of training benefit and that those who claim otherwise are wrong. Unfortunately, his saying this doesn't make it true. He may be a respected poster but his opinion on the matter is not backed up by any science whatsoever. If my questioning his almighty wisdom in a humorous way was too much for you, then guess all I would have to say fúck you and the pansy train you rode in on. But I'd be joking when I said it, so no hard feelings.

--Steve

Incorrect.

But seriously, dude, you need to calm down. ES claimed that using heavier wheels somehow provides some sort of training benefit and that those who claim otherwise are wrong. Unfortunately, his saying this doesn't make it true. He may be a respected poster but his opinion on the matter is not backed up by any science whatsoever. If my questioning his almighty wisdom in a humorous way was too much for you, then guess all I can say is fúck you and the pansy train you rode in on. But I'd be joking when I said it, so no hard feelings.

--Steve

creative way to get that in w/o misspelling it. :beer:

creative way to get that in w/o misspelling it. :beer:

Correct.

And, btw, I've edited my original post to convey the spirit in which it was intended.

--Steve

Now I know why zimbo dropped me on the hills--he has far more hidden rage than I do. :D

Now I know why zimbo dropped me on the hills--he has far more hidden rage than I do. :D

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Lmfao

Cute underwear, Pete. But isn't your wife gonna be pissed?

--Steve

Lmfao

+10!!

the magic underwear makes them fast!

the magic underwear makes them fast!

Plus if you wear it under your bibs then you won't get road rash in a crash.

--Steve

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It's obvious that DrP loves her for her personality.

bahahahahahahaha I just crapped my pants!

Really?

luckily I was wearing "Oops I Crapped My Pants" adult diapers, so no worries

We need one of those "thumbs up" icons.....

I train on Bontrager Race Lite Clinchers and I race on Bontrager XXX Lite Carbon Tubulars with Continental Sprinter Tires

Train: 105's with Schwalbe Blizzard / Easton Vista w. Vittoria Diamante Pro Light

Race: Reynolds Attack w. Vittoria Open Corsa EVO CX / Hed Disc, Hed tri spoke w. Deda Tre RS Corsa

I train on Bontrager Race Lite Clinchers and I race on Bontrager XXX Lite Carbon Tubulars with Continental Sprinter Tires

2/3-82?

While I appreciate the compliment of being thought of as a viable resource, I have no science to back up my claim. I promised my college professors that I would never speak of science ever again, right before they passed me with a D. And at graduation, they kept shooting threatening looks at me.

While I appreciate the compliment of being thought of as a viable resource, I have no science to back up my claim. I promised my college professors that I would never speak of science ever again, right before they passed me with a D. And at graduation, they kept shooting threatening looks at me.

While ES may not have any scientific proof, I have some anecdotal evidence. I train on wheels that are over a pound heavier than my race wheels. After warming up on the trainer with my PT rear wheel and slapping on my race wheels I can feel the difference. It akin to swinging a bat with weights on it.

had been training and racing on rolf vigors, but will soon be training with a pt on a hand built set and using the rolf's for racing and the tuesday night world championships.

I like your plan, bigsky! I started out riding my Rolf Vigors all the time, and have recently bought a training wheelset to replace their time with.

Training: Neuvation R28 sl3's Tires: Bontrager Race Lite
Racing: Rolf Prima Vigors Tires: Vittoria Diamante Pro Lite

I am hard on wheelsets... I got a training set merely because that way I can relax a bit more on 75% of the rides I do! That became even easier once I got the Vittoria tires, seeing as they flat so easily.