Siu Blue Wind
03-17-07, 01:08 AM
They are all manly and tough to everyone around them but in realilty their woman knows how gentle and sweet they can really be.
Foo - Why are guys like this?
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03-17-07, 01:09 AM
Strictly manly business stuffs.
mirona
03-17-07, 01:10 AM
I don't know.
lyeinyoureye
03-17-07, 02:29 AM
I ain't manly and tough.
wethepeople
03-17-07, 03:02 AM
Because we're really still just chimps.
bruce19
03-17-07, 03:17 AM
They are all manly and tough to everyone around them but in realilty their woman knows how gentle and sweet they can really be.
This is not true in my world. So, my answer to the question, "Why are guys like this?" is "They aren't."
This is not true in my world. So, my answer to the question, "Why are guys like this?" is "They aren't."
Ritehsedad
03-17-07, 05:51 AM
Testosterone I guess...who's the head of the heard, alpha male etc.
iNewton
03-17-07, 07:17 AM
Why does ALL women generalize like this!
junkyard
03-17-07, 08:04 AM
Testosterone I guess...who's the head of the heard, alpha male etc.
Agreed. Perfect example. On the trail, come across an obstacle of some sort. One guy looks at the other and says, "you'll do it if you're a man." At that point, there is no going back. Do it or die trying.
But, to comment on Siu's question, typically a woman (at least in my experience) doesn't pose a challenge in a way that threatens a guy's manliness the same way his buddies will. So, in front of his buddies, it's a way to keep face. In front of his girl, he can let his guard down. Which is why we as guys need a lady in our lives.
Agreed. Perfect example. On the trail, come across an obstacle of some sort. One guy looks at the other and says, "you'll do it if you're a man." At that point, there is no going back. Do it or die trying.
But, to comment on Siu's question, typically a woman (at least in my experience) doesn't pose a challenge in a way that threatens a guy's manliness the same way his buddies will. So, in front of his buddies, it's a way to keep face. In front of his girl, he can let his guard down. Which is why we as guys need a lady in our lives.
twobikes
03-17-07, 08:13 AM
They are all manly and tough to everyone around them but in realilty their woman knows how gentle and sweet they can really be.
Books and jokes are everywhere about how men and women are different. They all want some of the same things; like acceptance, love, and recognition. But, they go about getting them in different ways. They misunderstand each other often. They confuse and frustrate each other at times. From my six decades of experience as a male who often watches females, I would say men at the same time want tenderness and feel a need to mark their territory in an effort to gain respect from other men. Respect is a big thing with men and they sometimes do some very strange things to get it. (Security is probably just as big a thing with women as respect is with men.) If a woman can make a man feel she respects and accepts him, he will give her just about anything she wants.
Books and jokes are everywhere about how men and women are different. They all want some of the same things; like acceptance, love, and recognition. But, they go about getting them in different ways. They misunderstand each other often. They confuse and frustrate each other at times. From my six decades of experience as a male who often watches females, I would say men at the same time want tenderness and feel a need to mark their territory in an effort to gain respect from other men. Respect is a big thing with men and they sometimes do some very strange things to get it. (Security is probably just as big a thing with women as respect is with men.) If a woman can make a man feel she respects and accepts him, he will give her just about anything she wants.
SpongeDad
03-17-07, 08:15 AM
It's one of the classical themes of love. In Plato's Symposium, Alcibiades argues that love is the one thing that can make an honorable man lose himself.
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At one point my wife commented that it was a shame that some men are cut off from their feelings. My friend turns to me at says "I thought we were proud of that."
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At one point my wife commented that it was a shame that some men are cut off from their feelings. My friend turns to me at says "I thought we were proud of that."
bruce19
03-17-07, 08:16 AM
................But, to comment on Siu's question, typically a woman (at least in my experience) doesn't pose a challenge in a way that threatens a guy's manliness the same way his buddies will. So, in front of his buddies, it's a way to keep face. In front of his girl, he can let his guard down. Which is why we as guys need a lady in our lives.
Better to address and resolve the issue so that one doesn't "need" anyone to make them complete. Then, when you have a woman in your life, it's because you want her there without the need. Just one man's opinion. :)
Better to address and resolve the issue so that one doesn't "need" anyone to make them complete. Then, when you have a woman in your life, it's because you want her there without the need. Just one man's opinion. :)
feethanddooth
03-17-07, 08:22 AM
They are all manly and tough to everyone around them but in realilty their woman knows how gentle and sweet they can really be.
"men are jerks. women are psychotic."
-vonnegut
"men are jerks. women are psychotic."
-vonnegut
RonH
03-17-07, 08:28 AM
They are all manly and tough to everyone around them but in realilty their woman knows how gentle and sweet they can really be.
We're just little boys wearing grown up clothes. http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/sign0085.gif
We're just little boys wearing grown up clothes. http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/sign0085.gif
feethanddooth
03-17-07, 08:33 AM
with grown up parts
junkyard
03-17-07, 08:40 AM
Better to address and resolve the issue so that one doesn't "need" anyone to make them complete. Then, when you have a woman in your life, it's because you want her there without the need. Just one man's opinion. :)
Don't take what I said so literally. My point was that having a woman in one's life helps to create balance. This is a beautiful thing. In no way was I saying that the only reason a guy gets together with a woman is because he "needs" her rather than "wants" to be with her.
Don't take what I said so literally. My point was that having a woman in one's life helps to create balance. This is a beautiful thing. In no way was I saying that the only reason a guy gets together with a woman is because he "needs" her rather than "wants" to be with her.
I am The Edge
03-17-07, 09:46 AM
we're conditioned to be that way right out of the womb....day 1.
it isn't just human males either....the males in the animal kingdom do the same thing.
it isn't just human males either....the males in the animal kingdom do the same thing.
Tom Stormcrowe
03-17-07, 09:50 AM
It's one of the classical themes of love. In Plato's Symposium, Alcibiades argues that love is the one thing that can make an honorable man lose himself.
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At one point my wife commented that it was a shame that some men are cut off from their feelings. My friend turns to me at says "I thought we were proud of that."
OOOOh Good comment! I particularly like the Plato Dialogs! That one in particular as well as the Euthyphro Dialog involving Socrates and Euthyphro! Confusing as ....and fun to analyze!
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At one point my wife commented that it was a shame that some men are cut off from their feelings. My friend turns to me at says "I thought we were proud of that."
OOOOh Good comment! I particularly like the Plato Dialogs! That one in particular as well as the Euthyphro Dialog involving Socrates and Euthyphro! Confusing as ....and fun to analyze!
bruce19
03-17-07, 10:06 AM
Don't take what I said so literally. My point was that having a woman in one's life helps to create balance. This is a beautiful thing. In no way was I saying that the only reason a guy gets together with a woman is because he "needs" her rather than "wants" to be with her.
Got it. Thanks for the clarification. My experience over the years has been that a lot of people look for people they think will make them whole. The larger point I was trying to make is that one (male or female) needs to make one's self whole. The rest will follow. Sorry if I misread what you were saying.
Got it. Thanks for the clarification. My experience over the years has been that a lot of people look for people they think will make them whole. The larger point I was trying to make is that one (male or female) needs to make one's self whole. The rest will follow. Sorry if I misread what you were saying.
KrisPistofferson
03-17-07, 10:14 AM
Because every other domesticated animal is gelded to control their negative secondary sexual characteristics, (horses, goats, dogs, etcetera,) whereas human males are not so lucky.
norsehabanero
03-17-07, 10:21 AM
ooooooo aaaaaaaahhhh (grunts and pounds on chest)
Ritehsedad
03-17-07, 02:32 PM
Because every other domesticated animal is gelded to control their negative secondary sexual characteristics, (horses, goats, dogs, etcetera,) whereas human males are not so lucky.
No thanks...I'll be nice, I promise!!! :eek: :eek:
No thanks...I'll be nice, I promise!!! :eek: :eek:
Michigander
03-17-07, 03:34 PM
Why are some women actually tomboys who like fast cars and martial arts?
catatonic
03-17-07, 09:16 PM
It's all a giant game.
See, the women never go after the "passive" guys, instead going for the "alpha" male...so when around guys, we all act like jackasses in an effort to assert our dominance, or at least attempt of dominance amongst each other.
To do any less would be basically killing any chance of female recognition, as the rest of the guys would be the ones getting female attention.
I know this from much experience. I went from being a loudmouthed punk (who was swimming in females), to a quiet reserved guy (who ended up not meeting any females, since my friends got to them first), and now becomeing the loudmouth again. Why....because like it or not, it's the truth....passive males don't get the girl/woman/lady.
See, the women never go after the "passive" guys, instead going for the "alpha" male...so when around guys, we all act like jackasses in an effort to assert our dominance, or at least attempt of dominance amongst each other.
To do any less would be basically killing any chance of female recognition, as the rest of the guys would be the ones getting female attention.
I know this from much experience. I went from being a loudmouthed punk (who was swimming in females), to a quiet reserved guy (who ended up not meeting any females, since my friends got to them first), and now becomeing the loudmouth again. Why....because like it or not, it's the truth....passive males don't get the girl/woman/lady.
Siu Blue Wind
03-17-07, 09:45 PM
Why are some women actually tomboys who like fast cars and martial arts?
There are some women who don't want to depend upon a man for anything and tend to seek out their own independence. Knowledge of cars (no chance of being stranded) and ability to (or at least the courage enough to) protect myself. You won't hear too much of a prissy whine coming out of me.
There are some women who don't want to depend upon a man for anything and tend to seek out their own independence. Knowledge of cars (no chance of being stranded) and ability to (or at least the courage enough to) protect myself. You won't hear too much of a prissy whine coming out of me.
Siu Blue Wind
03-17-07, 09:59 PM
Hey Cat.
Not all of us gals like guys who are loudmouthed punks. It can actually be a turn off if a lady is thinking "relationship". Sure a loud guy can be fun to be around with but the novelty does wear off after a while. At least for me.
This guy I'm talking about has always been gentle around me but has also been a hardass when it was called for. THAT is a turn on.
Not all of us gals like guys who are loudmouthed punks. It can actually be a turn off if a lady is thinking "relationship". Sure a loud guy can be fun to be around with but the novelty does wear off after a while. At least for me.
This guy I'm talking about has always been gentle around me but has also been a hardass when it was called for. THAT is a turn on.
donnamb
03-17-07, 10:04 PM
gentle around me but has also been a hardass when it was called for. THAT is a turn on.
Mmmm, +1.
Mmmm, +1.
Velo Vol
03-17-07, 10:19 PM
By and large, I'm an introverted, reserved person. And, as catatonic suggests, I might as well wear an "Ignore me" sign as far as females are concerned.
Taerom
03-17-07, 10:42 PM
By and large, I'm an introverted, reserved person. And, as catatonic suggests, I might as well wear an "Ignore me" sign as far as females are concerned.
Same here, for the most part. I'm pretty shy and quiet around people I don't know too well. But around my friends, including wimmin friends, I'm very outgoing. And in Walmart...I'm outgoing in Walmart. ;)
Same here, for the most part. I'm pretty shy and quiet around people I don't know too well. But around my friends, including wimmin friends, I'm very outgoing. And in Walmart...I'm outgoing in Walmart. ;)
Velo Vol
03-17-07, 10:59 PM
I'm outgoing in Walmart. ;)
As long as you have your "A" game on at Wal Mart, that's all that really matters. No better place to pick up women. ;)
As long as you have your "A" game on at Wal Mart, that's all that really matters. No better place to pick up women. ;)
Taerom
03-17-07, 11:03 PM
No better place to pick up women. ;)
The kind of women who would want to be with me, anyway! :D Thrifty, budget-minded women! As long as they don't buy their bikes from walmart, it's fine with me.
The kind of women who would want to be with me, anyway! :D Thrifty, budget-minded women! As long as they don't buy their bikes from walmart, it's fine with me.
red house
03-18-07, 06:07 AM
They are all manly and tough to everyone around them but in realilty their woman knows how gentle and sweet they can really be.
Cuz that's the way to be. and chics dig it. :beer: ..There's no reason a guy can't be tough and manly in a gentile and sweet kind of way... -unless by 'tough and manly' you mean 'loud and stupid' ..in which case that would probably make you a sexist . .are you a sexist? :) -? ;)
Cuz that's the way to be. and chics dig it. :beer: ..There's no reason a guy can't be tough and manly in a gentile and sweet kind of way... -unless by 'tough and manly' you mean 'loud and stupid' ..in which case that would probably make you a sexist . .are you a sexist? :) -? ;)
lyeinyoureye
03-18-07, 06:50 AM
Knowledge of cars (no chance of being stranded).
I never thought I'd hear a car person say that. :eek: There's always a chance imo. :p
I never thought I'd hear a car person say that. :eek: There's always a chance imo. :p
Siu Blue Wind
03-18-07, 08:34 AM
I never thought I'd hear a car person say that. :eek: There's always a chance imo. :p
I've been lucky I guess. I am very very OCD about my cars. Everything has to be perfect mechanically. Ask Mich. He's seen my cars. People here think I'm like that with my bikes.......Hoooooooooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeey!! :eek:
I've been lucky I guess. I am very very OCD about my cars. Everything has to be perfect mechanically. Ask Mich. He's seen my cars. People here think I'm like that with my bikes.......Hoooooooooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeey!! :eek:
Siu Blue Wind
03-18-07, 08:35 AM
Cuz that's the way to be. and chics dig it. :beer: ..There's no reason a guy can't be tough and manly in a gentile and sweet kind of way... -unless by 'tough and manly' you mean 'loud and stupid' ..in which case that would probably make you a sexist . .are you a sexist? :) -? ;)
Sexist??? (Loud and stupid, no) Do YOU really want me to mention names, Red House??? :eek: Then they'd all understand. :D
Sexist??? (Loud and stupid, no) Do YOU really want me to mention names, Red House??? :eek: Then they'd all understand. :D
lyeinyoureye
03-18-07, 08:50 AM
I've been lucky I guess. I am very very OCD about my cars. Everything has to be perfect mechanically. Ask Mich. He's seen my cars. People here think I'm like that with my bikes.......Hoooooooooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeey!! :eek:
No need for luck. Most cars are pretty reliable with basic maintenance, it's just that they're still mechanical contraptions. Wear happens! Even if it's extremely rare. ;)
No need for luck. Most cars are pretty reliable with basic maintenance, it's just that they're still mechanical contraptions. Wear happens! Even if it's extremely rare. ;)
Michigander
03-18-07, 08:59 AM
There's always a chance imo. :p
She means what she says dude. She is obsessive about her cars. There is a better chance of the pope turning athiest than any of Siu's cars breaking down.
She means what she says dude. She is obsessive about her cars. There is a better chance of the pope turning athiest than any of Siu's cars breaking down.
Knock
03-18-07, 09:15 AM
we have to put up a tough facade so that outsiders will think twice about clubbing us for our fire
really, a couple thousand years does nothing to erase our preprogrammed instincts. we haven't outgrown our caveman mentalities, we try to teach ourselves to be cultured, but it's still there underneath.
really, a couple thousand years does nothing to erase our preprogrammed instincts. we haven't outgrown our caveman mentalities, we try to teach ourselves to be cultured, but it's still there underneath.
Jerseysbest
03-18-07, 01:37 PM
Girls say they want a kind, attentive, caring guy, but in reality they want an assertive, competitive, hard nosed a-hole. I can be both, but never at the same time. Guess what gets me the most action?
red house
03-18-07, 01:44 PM
Girls say they want a kind, attentive, caring guy, but in reality they want an assertive, competitive, hard nosed a-hole. I can be both, but never at the same time. Guess what gets me the most action?
A wod of cash and a ride to the red light district? :)
A wod of cash and a ride to the red light district? :)
Jerseysbest
03-18-07, 02:02 PM
A wod of cash and a ride to the red light district? :)
No, condoleezza rice as an avatar
No, condoleezza rice as an avatar
red house
03-18-07, 02:07 PM
You'd be surprised.. amazed even.
lyeinyoureye
03-19-07, 06:47 AM
She means what she says dude. She is obsessive about her cars. There is a better chance of the pope turning athiest than any of Siu's cars breaking down.
Maybe. But it's a car, and there's always a chance. :p
Maybe. But it's a car, and there's always a chance. :p
Nicodemus
03-19-07, 07:00 AM
This guy I'm talking about has always been gentle around me but has also been a hardass when it was called for. THAT is a turn on.
You just answered your own question
You just answered your own question
Ken B.
03-19-07, 07:13 AM
It's because the human species evolved in a time and place where there were things in the woods that wanted to eat us, and often did. And where there were other men, in the next tribe or the next cave, who wanted to kill us and take our females, and sometimes eat us as well.
Considering I am neither an anthropologist, a psychologist, nor a biologist, this theory is of course purely conjecture on my part.
Considering I am neither an anthropologist, a psychologist, nor a biologist, this theory is of course purely conjecture on my part.
bruce19
03-19-07, 07:36 AM
By and large, I'm an introverted, reserved person. And, as catatonic suggests, I might as well wear an "Ignore me" sign as far as females are concerned.
Actually, this can be a good thing. Bear with me here. If you are "...introverted, reserved..." and you are content with that, then all is well. (BTW, I don't think that's one of those things you can change anyway.) So, if that is who you are and women don't respond to you, it's because you and those women are not a match. Why waste time worrying about attracting women who don't "get" you anyway? But, I'll bet some woman has (or will) react(ed) to you and she is the one who does "get" you. That's your "keeper", as a friend, lover, life partner, etc. It's at least the place to start. We live in a culture that brainwashes us with images of "beauty" so that we can no longer see beauty everywhere and just view the cultural standard as beauty. When you buy to that, very few women can be beautiful. And, BTW, the women who buy into it don't see many men as beautiful (I know, I know, there is some other cultural term of the day for men.) Therefore, you can't feel good about yourself....she can't feel good about herself. Ain't life grand? (It does sell product though. Which after all is the point.) These days, I find that all women are beautiful and it's my quest to be able to see what that beauty is in any given situation. When my ego (as in sense of self) is taken out of the equation, I'm a much happier person. Strangely enough, women seem to resonate to that. Go figure. Live life. Believe that what you need will come to you. It will.
Actually, this can be a good thing. Bear with me here. If you are "...introverted, reserved..." and you are content with that, then all is well. (BTW, I don't think that's one of those things you can change anyway.) So, if that is who you are and women don't respond to you, it's because you and those women are not a match. Why waste time worrying about attracting women who don't "get" you anyway? But, I'll bet some woman has (or will) react(ed) to you and she is the one who does "get" you. That's your "keeper", as a friend, lover, life partner, etc. It's at least the place to start. We live in a culture that brainwashes us with images of "beauty" so that we can no longer see beauty everywhere and just view the cultural standard as beauty. When you buy to that, very few women can be beautiful. And, BTW, the women who buy into it don't see many men as beautiful (I know, I know, there is some other cultural term of the day for men.) Therefore, you can't feel good about yourself....she can't feel good about herself. Ain't life grand? (It does sell product though. Which after all is the point.) These days, I find that all women are beautiful and it's my quest to be able to see what that beauty is in any given situation. When my ego (as in sense of self) is taken out of the equation, I'm a much happier person. Strangely enough, women seem to resonate to that. Go figure. Live life. Believe that what you need will come to you. It will.
SoonerBent
03-19-07, 09:12 AM
By and large, I'm an introverted, reserved person. And, as catatonic suggests, I might as well wear an "Ignore me" sign as far as females are concerned.Right on. This describes me too. It's funny how many women talk about wanting a man who is sensitive and can show/talk about his feelings then when they see one they run fast and far. Thank goodness I found one that really does appreciate my personality. Not that I can't be a manly, tough, harda$$ when I have to. Just ask my employees when they get out of line, or this guy that mouthed off at my wife a couple months ago. But I don't get that way often and hate it when I have to.
Siu Blue Wind
03-19-07, 09:20 AM
You just answered your own question
:roflmao: Yeah I guess I did, huh?? :D
:roflmao: Yeah I guess I did, huh?? :D
superdex
03-19-07, 09:27 AM
They are all manly and tough to everyone around them but in realilty their woman knows how gentle and sweet they can really be.
Well, I'm in Denver....
Well, I'm in Denver....
atomship47
03-20-07, 08:28 AM
They are all manly and tough to everyone around them but in realilty their woman knows how gentle and sweet they can really be.
because we should win an oscar for our ability to "act" in order to get laid.
because we should win an oscar for our ability to "act" in order to get laid.