Hello! I've been doing some research on folding bikes for the past few days and am very excited about purchasing one for the daily commute to work. Before I go ahead and pull the trigger however, I'd love to get some feedback/advice if I could.
I'll be using the bike for daily commuting (about 6.5 km/4.25 miles one way), however the roads won't be ideal. The reason I need the bike in the first place is because public transit hasn't quite gotten around to my workplace yet, so that might give an indication of the type of area I'll be cycling through. I'll also need to take the bike on the bus with me as well, so the folded size of the bike is somewhat important (I don't want to crush anyone's feet! =D ). I'm also 5'2" and a bit over 100lbs., so I'm looking for something easy to handle (especially since I haven't ridden a bike in years and years). I'm a bit concerned about the smoothness of the ride and was wondering if anyone has any tips about minimizing bumps along the way. And um, being a girl, I don't think I'll be very good with any mechanical work the bike might need, so an easily maintained bike would be lovely. =)
So far, I've been eyeing the Bromptons, Dahons and the 2007 Giant Halfway, but haven't test ridden any of them, yet. Does anyone know of some good retailers in Toronto that carry these bikes? I know that Curbside Cycle has some Bromptons, Urbane Cyclist also seems to carry a good variety of Dahons and I think D'Ornellas has a Halfway, but I was hoping that there might be more retailers about so that I might be able to shop around a bit. I'd appreciate hearing about anyone's experiences with these retailers and also any suggestions concerning other dealers would be more than welcome. Thanks! =D
fireworkz
03-20-07, 07:51 AM
Hi Jenns.. I met the urbane cyclist reps at the toronto expo.. they appeared to be rather nice and helpful.. they state they are the stockists for Dahon .. They did have the new Curve from Dahon as well as MU SL both nice bikes.. the latter being lighter of the two.. also the Bike Friday Tikit was being displayed ... being from GTA myself Id think a smaller more practical bike is right for you.. maybe the curve.. the TTC does get crowded at times.. go and test the bikes out at their store.. probably after the feel etc.. you be able to choose what suits u best.. prices are going to go up soon due to spring being round the corner... lucky its still cold so getting one now may save u some $$$. Also another dealer was Dukes ... he had Dahon 06 models like Helios going cheap..
keithnyc
03-20-07, 09:59 AM
Jenns- Check out some of the webistes for Dahon dealers in the US who may be open to delivery in Toronto. The Dahon are great bikes and they seem to have very good support. As fireworkz mentioned, the Dahon '06 models are being discounted from their original price at many places, and are cheaper than the '07 models. Some of the unscrupulous dealers are simply moving their '06 inventory at the '07 price, so shop around. I got a good deal for my Dahon Speed '06 at brandscycle.com
keithnyc
03-20-07, 09:59 AM
Jenns- Check out some of the webistes for Dahon dealers in the US who may be open to delivery in Toronto. The Dahon are great bikes and they seem to have very good support. As fireworkz mentioned, the Dahon '06 models are being discounted from their original price at many places, and are cheaper than the '07 models. Some of the unscrupulous dealers are simply moving their '06 inventory at the '07 price, so shop around. I got a good deal for my Dahon Speed '06 at brandscycle.com
Bacciagalupe
03-20-07, 10:25 AM
I'd stick with the Brompton, assuming you like the way it handles in a test ride.
The Brompton is a little heavy, but is generally designed for this purpose. It folds very small and clean -- the chain is on the inside, so people (i.e. you and your fellow passengers) are less likely to bump into it. It's got fenders, which will also keep you clean. The hinges are just screws and the hub is low-maintenance.
IMO the Tikit may be nice, but it's brand new. I'd wait about a year for things to shake out.
By the way, why not ride a bike all the way to work? Chances are in Toronto, a bike will go about as fast as any bus.
Jenns
03-20-07, 11:54 AM
fireworkz: Urbane Cyclist seems to have a good reputation and their Dahon prices look reasonable. I googled Dukes and saw that they have a Helios '06 for $790. That's a bit more than the one in stock at Urbane Cyclist, who carries one for $750 (although I'm not sure if they're the same year?). I was also wondering if Dahons come with standard fenders. Many of the models I was considering (Vitesse D5, Speed P8 and Helios) seem to be fenderless. And thank you for all the great info!
davewnyc: Thanks for the advice! I hadn't considered the option of looking south of the border, but will definitely keep this in mind when it comes time to make my purchase. Is there a way to differentiate between '06 and '07 models? Not being all too familiar with bikes in general, I probably wouldn't know the difference. =/
Bacciaqalupe: I'd love to get a Brompton, however it's considerably more expensive than a Dahon or Halfway. Do you think it's worth the extra money for what it offers? They seem to start in the low $1000's, which I would be willing to pay if I knew that it was the best option at that pricepoint. As for biking all the way to work, I think it might be somewhat impossible, unless I want to collapse when I actually get to the office (it's just over 21 km/13 miles from my new place to the office)! =D Thanks for your input!
SesameCrunch
03-20-07, 01:10 PM
At 5'2" and 100lbs, I would think light and small is important. Here's what I would suggest -
A Downtube Mini:
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e157/sesamecrunch/dtmini.jpg
Cute as a button.
It's a 16" wheel-size bike. Folds very small into a carry bag. Weighs 24lbs. Has a rear suspension to absorb shock. Has an 8 speed internal hub, so there's no external derailleur to get you all dirty. It's on sale right now for US$399, but you'll have to pay US$80 for shipping to Canada. Still pretty cheap for the package.
The only thing is - I don't know how bad the roads are that you'll be riding on. If they really have a lot of potholes that you can't avoid, then 16" wheels are not optimal.
There's a huge thread on it here - http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=218634&highlight=downtube+mini
Good luck choosing!
psykoocycle
03-20-07, 01:10 PM
Hi Jenns,
Are you the one on craigslist looking for the birdy? If you are looking at this post with a weird look, never mind my question.
I also live in Toronto, and have been waiting to get a folding bike. For the price and knowing the streets you travel. I'd recommend a downtube.
Brompton: Most compact fold, but pricey
Dahon's: higher end is expensive, lower end is okay, but still pricey
Giant Halfway: looks great, but not too crazy about the price and weight
Birdy: Someone in Guelph is selling one for $1500, most compact fold, reasonably light and full suspension but part and upgrade support leaves you wanting (like Dahon). I heard they ride very well!
I've always wanted an Dahon MU SL, but not exactly practical as the street car rails and asphalt snakes will eat your skinny minny tires. Need at least 1.5 width to prevent the tracks for swallowing your bike.
I'd recommend getting a downtube, even I'm thinking about getting one on my way to New York in May. They are reasonably priced, have good parts support (by that I mean you can purchase parts a you local bike store that will fit the bike), and I hear they have a solid feel. There is a Downtube NS IX selling for $300 on craigslist, I believe he is at Dufferin and King. There is also another guy selling a halfway for only $350.
I'm hesitant to buy a bike over $500 to ride around Toronto. After all, we used to be #1 city in the world for Bike thefts, before Amsterdamn usurped us.
Sorry, can't help you with Dukes, Urbane Cyclist... as I don't have any experience with them. Good luck, if anything get one of the used ones on CL.
Often people new to bicycles, will get a top end one and waste their money, the bike collects dust. I recommend get a starter folder at first, cheaper... and then upgrade if you decide you love folding bikes!!
psykoocycle
03-20-07, 01:40 PM
Downtube 9speed no suspension:
http://toronto.craigslist.org/bik/296528237.html
Giant, halfway. Its a steal at this price, even I was thinking about getting it:
http://toronto.craigslist.org/bik/292971526.html
BigMacFU
03-20-07, 01:49 PM
I'm with sesame on this one, at your size, the DT Mini is your best bet. Internal Hub too, so easy maintenance.
Niles H.
03-20-07, 02:19 PM
You might want to consider ease and quickness of folding. People who have a lot of practice, and have the moves down well, can fold a Brompton in a few seconds. I've even heard of people dismounting and running to catch a train, while folding the Brompton on the fly.
I don't know how the other bikes are in this respect. I've heard that some are rather annoying. If you are doing it multiple times each day, it seems to me that something very easy and beautiful to fold would be a major plus.
Personally, I think I would be put off the whole project of using a folding bike if it were not breezy to fold and unfold, especially if I were going on and off public transport with it, and taking it with me indoors.
The Brompton is also very small and easy to carry. Some of the other bikes seem a bit more cumbersome and unpleasant to take along.
Bikes like the Brompton form a balanced and neat package. It solves a lot of security problems, and makes you more freely mobile, when you can keep the bike with you wherever you go -- even into shops or theatres or libraries or bookstores.
bookishboy
03-20-07, 03:12 PM
Since you're a bit on the short side (no offense intended), folded size/weight will probably factor into your enjoyment of the bike.
The Downtube mini might be an option, like Sesame suggested.
Another would be a basic Brompton (C3? I think?).
Whatever you look into, try to get a chance to try it hands-on first. Ride the bike for a few miles, even if you have to rent it for the day. Fold it down and physically practice the act of carrying the folded item through the front door of your house, work... wherever you would actually be taking the bike regularly. Many of the 16"-wheeled bikes are not wildly lighter than the 20"-wheeled ones, but I think the smaller folded size will agree with someone whose own physical frame is a bit smaller.
invisiblehand
03-20-07, 03:31 PM
I'll be using the bike for daily commuting (about 6.5 km/4.25 miles one way), however the roads won't be ideal. The reason I need the bike in the first place is because public transit hasn't quite gotten around to my workplace yet, so that might give an indication of the type of area I'll be cycling through. I'll also need to take the bike on the bus with me as well, so the folded size of the bike is somewhat important (I don't want to crush anyone's feet! =D ). I'm also 5'2" and a bit over 100lbs., so I'm looking for something easy to handle (especially since I haven't ridden a bike in years and years). I'm a bit concerned about the smoothness of the ride and was wondering if anyone has any tips about minimizing bumps along the way. And um, being a girl, I don't think I'll be very good with any mechanical work the bike might need, so an easily maintained bike would be lovely. =)
So far, I've been eyeing the Bromptons, Dahons and the 2007 Giant Halfway, but haven't test ridden any of them, yet. Does anyone know of some good retailers in Toronto that carry these bikes? I know that Curbside Cycle has some Bromptons, Urbane Cyclist also seems to carry a good variety of Dahons and I think D'Ornellas has a Halfway, but I was hoping that there might be more retailers about so that I might be able to shop around a bit. I'd appreciate hearing about anyone's experiences with these retailers and also any suggestions concerning other dealers would be more than welcome. Thanks! =D
Internal hubs are easier to maintain.
Given that you have not done a lot of riding, I would stick with one of the cheaper bikes ... < $500 USD
There is a thread on the Dahon Curve. I have not ridden one yet; but one reviewer wrote that it had a magnetic lock that helped keep the bike folded whereas I believe that the DT Mini does not. I get the sense from both people that experienced the bike that it was a positive purchase for them. But perhaps you should ask directly.
My wife and I have experience with Brompton/Merc bikes. She is a bit taller and heavier than you, but she likes the bike for putzing around town. Definitely a good muti-mode commuter. She does complain that the bike partially unfolds once in a while. My complaint is the ergonomics (I am 6', 195 lbs) and gear range.
I have test ridden several Birdys. I like the ride much better than a Brompton or any of the older small Dahons. But they don't seem to be as good as the alternatives when it comes to carrying stuff. Disappointingly, Birdys with internal hubs are not sold in the US. I consider that a negative for such small wheels.
People have different opinions regarding wheel size. Personally, I am not a fan of bringing bikes with 20" wheels onto public transportation on a regular basis. I find it cumbersome; although it is doable.
If you use wide tires then you can adjust the tire pressure for a smoother ride.
EDIT: Note that my wife feels that the Brompton/Merc bikes are heavy and NOT particularly easy to carry. Although I installed roller blade wheels on the back such that she rolls the bike when folded. Without the roller blade wheels, she would almost never use the bike.
SesameCrunch
03-20-07, 04:15 PM
EDIT: Note that my wife feels that the Brompton/Merc bikes are heavy and NOT particularly easy to carry. Although I installed roller blade wheels on the back such that she rolls the bike when folded. Without the roller blade wheels, she would almost never use the bike.
Can you post some photos of your roller-wheels for us to look at? Sounds really great!
14R
03-20-07, 07:54 PM
You will not find anything better to transport while folded than a Brompton/Merc.
Maybe a Strida?
Not sure about the Strida as a bike, but check their wed site, it might be an option.
fireworkz
03-20-07, 09:24 PM
You will not find anything better to transport while folded than a Brompton/Merc.
Maybe a Strida?
Not sure about the Strida as a bike, but check their wed site, it might be an option.
Yes the Strida is on an extended sale... http://strida.yeahbike.com/buy.html apparently the 3.2 Strida + The carrying bag with free shipping @599$ US ---> Guess they are paving the way for the new Strida 5.. Also you can check out http://www.jvbike.com/folding.htm hes sells them out of vancouver ..
I like the MU SL electric version he has..
http://www.jvbike.com/images/EPS/MuSL_800.jpg
invisiblehand
03-21-07, 07:23 AM
Can you post some photos of your roller-wheels for us to look at? Sounds really great!
Sure. Will do when I return home.
invisiblehand
03-21-07, 07:23 AM
You will not find anything better to transport while folded than a Brompton/Merc.
How does the Curve compare to the Brompton/Merc?
invisiblehand
03-21-07, 07:45 AM
Can you post some photos of your roller-wheels for us to look at? Sounds really great!
Here is a short blip about the type of screws needed from an old thread ...
I installed a set of skate wheels but needed to buy a longer set of screws to securely fasten the wheels. (If you are wondering, I used M6x1.0 50 mm machine screws) Since someone is always getting rid of an old set of inline skates, this is a cheap upgrade. My wife has a much easier time moving the bike now.
Here is a link to something quite similar if not identical ...
I wouldn't let the internal hub gear argument weigh in my decision. People have been using derailleurs and cassettes for a long time on folding bikes without problems, and believe it or not, have not been getting twigs and leaves jammed on a regular basis in their derailleurs. The issue of bending your derailleur or knocking it out of alignment is also overblown - you ought to ask what these people are doing to their derailleurs, AND ask for real world examples, not hypothetical ones. The banal argument that internal hub gears produce a cleaner drive train is also overblown: you should ask them "cleaner than what?"
If you're going the internal hub route, you'll also need a crescent wrench or socket wrench to remove your rear wheel, and should practice taking it on and off, pulling it back for the correct chain tension while the making sure the wheel isn't crooked in the installation, and tightening the axle bolts, all without the benefit of a bike stand to really see if that's something you'll want to put up with if you're stranded on the road.
I'm definitely not against hub gears, but think their advantages need to be balanced out, and NOT at the expense of deriding derailleur set ups, which always seems discreetly implied with internal hub enthusiasts.
Whatever you get, I think you ought to take a class on how to change a flat tire; many bike shops offer those classes for free. And because you're an, um, girl, you'll have loads of wanted and unwanted attention, so you might as well take advantage of it.
jyossarian
03-21-07, 12:16 PM
A 4.5 mile commute to start with is doable. After a few months of riding everyday, you'll be ready to step up to doing the full 13 mi. commute on a bike. As for bike shops, sorry, no recommendations. But if you find the bike you want is cheaper in Buffalo, just drive south a couple hours, pick up the bike, dirty it up a bit and throw it in the trunk and drive back. If they ask if you have anything to declare, just say no. ;)
makeinu
03-21-07, 12:32 PM
Jenns, I don't have as much experience as many of the others, but here is my take on the situation:
1. Being that you're located in North America, I think you will get much more value for your money by buying a North American brand. Shipping bikes overseas isn't cheap and you don't get any extra value for your money. This would rule out brands like Brompton or Strida.
2. Being that you're only 5'2" and 100+lbs, I wouldn't recommend a 20" bike. It's true that they aren't that much bigger than 16" bikes, but you'll probably have a hard time carrying even the smaller 16" bikes. This would rule out 20" bikes.
3. Being that you're not an enthusiast, you probably won't appreciate custom builds or top of the line components. This would rule out high end brands like Bike Friday.
4. Being that you aren't very mechnically inclined, you probably want the support of your local bike shop. This would rule out internet only brands like Downtube.
As far as I know, this would basically leave you with the past and present 16" Dahon lineup. From the past lineup, there's the Presto and the Piccolo. You might be able to get a good deal on one of these. From the present lineup there's the Curve D3 and Curve SL. These bikes will offer a bit smoother ride, but you will pay a little more since they are the newest Dahon models. In my opinion, the Curve D3 is a better value for the money, but since you are so small you might be willing to pay extra for the Curve SL (which is a few pounds lighter).
I will have a similar commute in the near future and I would have bought a Curve D3 if it weren't for the fact that I wanted to use my bike for more than just commuting (I bought the 8" wheeled Carryme for extending my walkshed when using the bus to get around the city and the 20" wheeled Downtube VIIIH for riding without the bus except as backup....I haven't decided which one to use for my 5 mile plus bus commute, but the Curve D3 probably would have been ideal). Let us know which bikes you test ride and what you think of them.
If you're going the internal hub route, you'll also need a crescent wrench or socket wrench to remove your rear wheel, and should practice taking it on and off, pulling it back for the correct chain tension while the making sure the wheel isn't crooked in the installation, and tightening the axle bolts, all without the benefit of a bike stand to really see if that's something you'll want to put up with if you're stranded on the road.
I'm definitely not against hub gears, but think their advantages need to be balanced out, and NOT at the expense of deriding derailleur set ups, which always seems discreetly implied with internal hub enthusiasts.
Whatever you get, I think you ought to take a class on how to change a flat tire; many bike shops offer those classes for free. And because you're an, um, girl, you'll have loads of wanted and unwanted attention, so you might as well take advantage of it.
This is the folding bike forum, not touring forum. I seriously doubt that Jenns, not being mechanically inclined, would change a flat on her automobile on the side of the road. She would probably call a tow truck. Once she has a folding bike, she can call a cab instead. No wrenches necessary.
spambait11
03-21-07, 01:08 PM
This is the folding bike forum, not touring forum. I seriously doubt that Jenns, not being mechanically inclined, would change a flat on her automobile on the side of the road. She would probably call a tow truck. Once she has a folding bike, she can call a cab instead. No wrenches necessary.
Your example does not show why it's not a good idea to learn how to fix a flat - and I don't think learning how should be limited to tourers. But running with your hypothetical analogy anyway, changing a tire on a folding bike is less troublesome than a car, while your confidence that she has easy cab access has yet to be proved.
Learning to fix a flat was ONLY a suggestion.
invisiblehand
03-21-07, 01:11 PM
4. Being that you aren't very mechnically inclined, you probably want the support of your local bike shop. This would rule out internet only brands like Downtube.
Good point.
EDIT: Although it would be a good idea to learn how to fix a flat and do a pre-ride check.
SesameCrunch
03-21-07, 01:23 PM
4. Being that you aren't very mechnically inclined, you probably want the support of your local bike shop. This would rule out internet only brands like Downtube.
And because you're an, um, girl, you'll have loads of wanted and unwanted attention, so you might as well take advantage of it.
So, um, she can probably get lots of guys to help her with maintenance on the bike;)
spambait11
03-21-07, 02:09 PM
So, um, she can probably get lots of guys to help her with maintenance on the bike;)
Yes, I meant bike maintenance. :D
Polaris43
03-21-07, 03:30 PM
4. Being that you aren't very mechnically inclined, you probably want the support of your local bike shop. This would rule out internet only brands like Downtube.
So are you saying that a local bike shop won't work on a bike that they didn't sell? That has not been my experience.
Also, the money saved buying a Downtube will buy several tune ups at the LBS.
I'm not suggesting that a Downtube is the perfect bike (although I am quite happy with my 16" Mini and have had zero problems since changing the BB) but to rule it out just because she can't buy it locally doesn't make much sense on the whole.
Jenns
03-21-07, 06:03 PM
Wow, thanks everyone for all your invaluable advice. To tell the truth, I am quite amazed at how thoughtful and helpful everyone is here (was sort of expecting mini flames =D )!
I'm somewhat surprised that the general consensus seems to be that a 20" folder might be difficult for me to handle. Is there such a difference between the 16" and 20" models? I'm not particularly strong, but I can roll up the sleeves and apply some elbow grease if the need arises (although I like to stay dirt-free...perhaps a slipcover?). I don't think I'll really need to run for the bus with the bike in tow, since my place will be right across the street from the bus/subway station and I plan on managing my time.
On another note, I did some scouting today, looking for possible routes to take from the bus stop to work. I usually take a cab to work and have been traveling different roads, so I was somewhat surprised and dismayed to find that the conditions of the roads I'll soon be biking along are even worse than I'd thought. They're covered with small cracks, which isn't so bad, I guess, compared to the fact that often, the shoulder of the road is nothing but uneven dirt. There are also a couple of low hills I'll have to navigate. I'm now starting to wonder if a folding bike will be a comfortable ride on this terrain.
SesameCrunch: Thank you for suggesting the DT Mini, this is the first I've heard of it and it is indeed super cute! Reading through the thread you provided, I was so very tempted to buy it, until I remembered the road conditions I'll have to deal with. So now I have some reservations about its small size. I also need mudguards and it doesn't appear that the Mini comes with them. It's a shame that I can't afford two bikes!
psykoocycle: Hi! No, I'm not giving you a weird look because I know exactly what CL post you're talking about. =D I, however, didn't post that ad. Thank you for the suggestions and the info about bike tires. And I also remember hearing about that bike stat some time ago and wasn't all too surprised. Luckily (or maybe unluckily), I won't be riding the bike in downtown T.O. I plan on riding it in Richmond Hill and not the nice, fully developed part of Richmond Hill, but the area north of Major Mac, where the new subdivisions are just starting to creep up to. I'm actually sort of scared to ride there because the cars treat the roads like highways, going anywhere from 80 to 100 km/hr. Hopefully, they'll slow down a bit when they see me. =D
BigMacFU: Two votes for the Mini; I really wish I could test one.
Niles H.: The Brompton is one of the bikes I'm considering, however I've only been able to find one retailer in my city that carries them. Ideally, I'd like to buy the bike this weekend, and I'm unsure if they'll have the model I need in stock. I'll visit them in a few days and take one for a test ride. Thank you for your input!
bookishboy: Oh, none taken! I console myself with the thought that 5'2" isn't too too short for a girl. =D As for renting a bike to try, I don't think there are any places in my area that rent out folding bikes. I'm also in somewhat of a rush, so I don't have the time to thoroughly test every bike I'd like to. Does the C3 come with mudguards? If memory serves, only the M, P and S models come with standard mudguards (which is important to me). Hopefully, the mudguards don't add too much weight and cost to the Brompton. =/
invisiblehand: Thanks for the added input on the portability of the Brompton. I'll definitely keep that in mind when making my selection. From what I've seen, I rather like the Dahon Curve. I've seen pics of it with mudguards and rear rack, so I'm going to assume that they'd be available as addons, even if they're not standard. Do you find that 20" folders are significantly more cumbersome than the 16" variety when folded? It seems to me that the Curve and the Brompton are comparable in size when folded.
14R: Thanks! I'll take a look at the Strida.
spambait11: Wow, that's um, a bit difficult for me to process just now. Maybe with a bit more reading, I'll be able to understand what you mean. I'm sure it's very helpful, however! The bike breaking down won't be too big of an issue, since I'm either going to be riding it to work or to the local grocery store, so I'll have plenty of help available should I need it. I will definitely look into getting a few pointers from my bike store, though.
jyossarian: Ha ha, I really don't think I'll be cycling the full 13+ miles, even if I do get comfortable with longer distances. I just don't think I'd be alert enough at the end of the workday to ride safely. I also like my sleep, so getting up an hour or two earlier to bike to work would make me dreadfully cranky. =D And thanks for the Buffalo tip. Unfortunately, I don't have a car, which is why I have to take the bus and bike partway to work. =D
makeinu: Thank you for your insight. I found your comments very helpful, actually. I'm beginning to think that a Dahon might be the way to go, and they're also the most readily available in my city. I don't have time to wait for a bike to be shipped from overseas, since I'll be moving to my new place next weekend and will be quite busy with preparations in the meantime. Do you feel that the Curve might not be suitable for grocery shopping? I can very easily take the bus to the nearest store (it's super convenient), but I doubt I'd be able to carry a full case of pop plus other items back on the bus with me. I'm therefore, considering taking the bike with me when I need to buy heavy boxes of food items. The Curve's really attractive, but it seems the Bromptons are better in terms of luggage handling ability?
bookishboy
03-21-07, 06:17 PM
Yes, you're right of course. If you're commuting in various weather, including wet pavement (during rain, or even after a rain) then you'll want mudguards. I have a tendancy to accord Bromptons an Apple cult-like following..... that sort of feeling that "The rest of the world will come around sooner or later".... but for all that, they seem to be good bikes, solidly built and solidly supported. If the M or L models are within reach for you, budget-wise, then they'd be a good option.
The Downtube Mini would be cheaper, but is still a good bike (I got one for my girlfriend). You'd have to get your LBS to retrofit it with fenders.
Even if you can lift the 25-35 lbs that the bike will weigh, the folded bulk will make a LARGE difference in useability for you. I'm not kidding when I recommend that you test out the folded bike by carrying it (folded up) to a door, open the door and then go through it. The Bromptons especially will shine in this regard, because of the way that they roll while folded. You can leave the seat extended and pull it through the door behind you, and tuck it away under your desk quite easily by rolling it under.
Besides carrying it into buildings, I'll give you another example: I can fit my Downtube VIII into a shopping cart at the grocery store.... barely.... with little room left over for groceries. A Brompton, or a Downtube mini, would be able to do the same with room to spare.
makeinu
03-21-07, 07:58 PM
So are you saying that a local bike shop won't work on a bike that they didn't sell? That has not been my experience.
Also, the money saved buying a Downtube will buy several tune ups at the LBS.
I'm not suggesting that a Downtube is the perfect bike (although I am quite happy with my 16" Mini and have had zero problems since changing the BB) but to rule it out just because she can't buy it locally doesn't make much sense on the whole.
Ok, fair enough.
makeinu
03-21-07, 08:08 PM
Jenns,
Now you're talking about hauling groceries, a much different task than riding 4 miles to work in my opinion. I don't have a car either and I personally do my grocery shopping on foot with one of those tall shopping carts available at most hardware stores (I either walk to one of the grocery stores in my neighborhood or I take the bus to Trader Joe's). I figure that you can't get lower gearing than walking, although I honestly haven't tried loading up my bike with groceries yet.
http://securebar.secure-tunnel.com/cgi-bin/nph-freebar.cgi/110110A/http/images.firststreetonline.com/images/products/21034_220.jpg
In any case, you'll obviously be able to determine what you need better than anyone else, but the way I see it you have the following options:
-Get a 20" wheeled folder and be confident that you can haul groceries and ride rough roads to your heart's content, but make sure you're happy with your ability to carry the folded bike. I think you're underestimating how cumbersome folding bikes really are. If you can't carry a few cases of pop then you won't be able to carry a 20" folder either. I'm a bit bigger than you (5'7" 130lbs male) and I struggle to get my 20" folder out my front door.
-Get a 16" folder that you might actually be able to maneuver while carrying a full bag. Yes, it's true that they aren't that much smaller than 20" folders, but they don't ride that much differently either. If you find that it's too small for carrying groceries then get a bike trailer or leave the bike at home and use one of those shopping carts like I do. If you find the roads on your commute are too rough for the 16" wheels then well...make sure you test ride on rough roads so this doesn't happen.
-Get a Brompton. Brompton's actually have 18" wheels even though they are smaller than 16" wheeled folders. I haven't ridden one, but I have a hard time believing they are worth the price. Also, although the Brompton has the convenient front carrier, I'm not so sure about putting cases of pop in it.
-Get more than one bike. I know you said you can't afford two bikes, but if you can afford a Brompton then you can afford two bikes, especially if you get competitively priced bikes like, perhaps, a Curve D3 for your commute and Worksman folding tricycle for hauling groceries.
Disclaimer: I'm a noob when it comes to folding bikes, but I do my homework and I'm well experienced in living without a car.
14R
03-21-07, 09:24 PM
How does the Curve compare to the Brompton/Merc?
The Brompton/Merc folded package is very "elegant". I don't have a better word to use, but it can be CONVENIENTLY raised from the ground and carryed right next to you almost like an extra heavy briefcase.
http://www.core77.com/corehome/brompton_bike.jpg
The Curve (once folded) is a package not any bigger than the Brompton, but it does not offer you an ergonomic grip that you can just confortably walk while carrying it.
For me, the folded mode just need to be compact to fit inside a luggage or 2 bikes inside the trunk of my sedan, so the Curve became a better option due to the lack of moving parts on the rear wheel (deraileur, tensioner, etc.), but to transport the curve while folded without rolling it, I would give it a 5/10 and a 9/10 for the Brompton design.
I hope this answers your question.
invisiblehand
03-22-07, 09:03 AM
So are you saying that a local bike shop won't work on a bike that they didn't sell? That has not been my experience.
It has been my experience that bike shops are more helpful and more responsive to issues with bike that they have sold.
spambait11
03-22-07, 10:07 AM
My experience is that if the bike is really funky, something an LBS will or does not sell, then they're in general pretty helpful because they like working on unusual bikes (I'm talking mainly folders and recumbents). At the same time though, their inexperience with such bikes prompted me to learn how to fix and maintain my own, and for that I'm grateful. I can see, however, that they would not be interested in servicing such bikes if they've got enough of their own builds/projects/service requests to do as is.
invisiblehand
03-22-07, 10:59 AM
My experience is that if the bike is really funky, something an LBS will or does not sell, then they're in general pretty helpful because they like working on unusual bikes (I'm talking mainly folders and recumbents). At the same time though, their inexperience with such bikes prompted me to learn how to fix and maintain my own, and for that I'm grateful. I can see, however, that they would not be interested in servicing such bikes if they've got enough of their own builds/projects/service requests to do as is.
Hey Spambait,
I agree with you ... but just so that I am completely clear, I am not talking about bikes that the shop sells, but bikes that the shop sold. In other words, if the shop actually sold Jenns the bike, I do believe that the shop will put in more effort into supporting the product further down the road.
invisiblehand
03-22-07, 11:05 AM
Now you're talking about hauling groceries, a much different task than riding 4 miles to work in my opinion. I don't have a car either and I personally do my grocery shopping on foot with one of those tall shopping carts available at most hardware stores (I either walk to one of the grocery stores in my neighborhood or I take the bus to Trader Joe's). I figure that you can't get lower gearing than walking, although I honestly haven't tried loading up my bike with groceries yet.
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Groceries are more difficult since (generally) you need more carrying capacity than for commuting. The Brompton with the front bag (21 liter capacity? Anyone know for sure? Although there are now three versions ...) and rear rack can carry a lot of stuff. But if I recall correctly, there is almost certainly a waiting list for the bike in your local shop. They would have to order it and it would probably take 4-6 weeks (??more??) for one to arrive.
How rough are these roads? Do you have giant potholes and such? Are they paved?
jyossarian
03-22-07, 12:27 PM
A rack and panniers would help w/ groceries, but might interfere w/ folding. I just use a big messenger bag and stuff my groceries in that. You'll probably make 2-3 trips to the grocery per week, but you'll know your food is fresh. You could also try a BOB or Burley trailer if you wanna haul a lot of stuff or get a separate bike capable of carrying tons o' stuff.
cooker
03-22-07, 02:25 PM
I've seen folding bikes at Urbane (John St. north of Queen), Curbside (Bloor east of Bathurst) and Bikes on Wheels (Augusta south of College).
At your size and weight almost any bike would do, unlike me. I'm a toupee thickness under 6 feet, and over 220 lb so I probably have to get a high end folder so it won't collapse under me.
EDIT Curbside (http://www.curbside.on.ca/fla/) has Bromptons....is that where you saw them?
Jenns
03-27-07, 08:26 PM
Well, I've just purchased a Dahon Curve and am quite satisfied with my decision. =D I visited some stores and test rode a few folders and I must say I was very impressed with them in general. My favourite was probably the Brompton - it's just such a comfortable ride in such a neat little package. Unfortunately, you guys were very right about me underestimating the bulk and weight of the average folder. =D The only one I could easily lift was the Curve, however I really liked the way the Brompton could be rolled when folded - it's somewhat awkward to roll the folded Curve.
I was very tempted to purchase the Brompton, however I couldn't convince myself it was worth more than three times the price of the cute little Dahon. I find the Curve more difficult to power and it's certainly a twitchy little thing, but it's light and, while not very comfortable, not exactly a pain to ride either. Hopefully, a change in saddle will make the ride more cushy. I can't wait to pick it up from the shop and take it for a spin. =D Thanks for everyone's help, the advice and guidance was (is!) very much appreciated! =D
bookishboy
03-27-07, 08:32 PM
Congratulations on your purchase, and welcome to the community proper. :) Pics for the top thread are customary, but not required.
The twitchy feeling of the steering is just due to the smaller wheels. Take it easy at first, and don't try to corner too hard.... after a couple of weeks, you'll be used to the feeling.
fireworkz
03-28-07, 09:50 PM
Congrats Jenn on ur dahon curve.. what price did u pay and where did u get it from finally ?
Watch out next week they forcast more snow.. believe 5th - 9th.. Thks
14R
03-28-07, 11:01 PM
I already spent several US$ thousands on folders, and I currently ride a lightly upgraded Dahon Curve D3 and I am very happy with it. it is a great bike, congratulations on your purchase.
R
invisiblehand
03-29-07, 07:28 AM
Well, I've just purchased a Dahon Curve and am quite satisfied with my decision. =D I visited some stores and test rode a few folders and I must say I was very impressed with them in general. My favourite was probably the Brompton - it's just such a comfortable ride in such a neat little package. Unfortunately, you guys were very right about me underestimating the bulk and weight of the average folder. =D The only one I could easily lift was the Curve, however I really liked the way the Brompton could be rolled when folded - it's somewhat awkward to roll the folded Curve.
I was very tempted to purchase the Brompton, however I couldn't convince myself it was worth more than three times the price of the cute little Dahon. I find the Curve more difficult to power and it's certainly a twitchy little thing, but it's light and, while not very comfortable, not exactly a pain to ride either. Hopefully, a change in saddle will make the ride more cushy. I can't wait to pick it up from the shop and take it for a spin. =D Thanks for everyone's help, the advice and guidance was (is!) very much appreciated! =D
Congratulations Jenns.
Did you get the KlickFix front bag?
I am interested in hearing what makes it awkward to roll after you have had it for a while.
keithnyc
03-29-07, 01:25 PM
Jenns-
Congrats, as well. I purchased the Dahon Speed D7 (primarily for city commuting, small grocery shopping etc.). Although it does have a bike rack, I use the backpack instead. Do yourself a favor and register your bike at the dahon site (www.dahon.com). They also have a community forum that is very cool and helpful (like this one!!) and their tech support team is constantly checking out the posts to see if they can be of service.
Welcome and enjoy!
Dahon.Steve
04-04-07, 08:44 PM
Jenns,
Now you're talking about hauling groceries, a much different task than riding 4 miles to work in my opinion. I don't have a car either and I personally do my grocery shopping on foot with one of those tall shopping carts available at most hardware stores (I either walk to one of the grocery stores in my neighborhood or I take the bus to Trader Joe's). I figure that you can't get lower gearing than walking, although I honestly haven't tried loading up my bike with groceries yet.
http://securebar.secure-tunnel.com/cgi-bin/nph-freebar.cgi/110110A/http/images.firststreetonline.com/images/products/21034_220.jpg
I know you said you can't afford two bikes, but if you can afford a Brompton then you can afford two bikes, especially if you get competitively priced bikes like, perhaps, a Curve D3 for your commute and Worksman folding tricycle for hauling groceries.
Disclaimer: I'm a noob when it comes to folding bikes, but I do my homework and I'm well experienced in living without a car.
Just buy a Dahon Curve and get this Traileron. I've been able to use this along with the same shopping cart.
http://traileron.com/
Dahon.Steve
04-04-07, 08:51 PM
Well, I've just purchased a Dahon Curve and am quite satisfied with my decision. =D I visited some stores and test rode a few folders and I must say I was very impressed with them in general. My favourite was probably the Brompton - it's just such a comfortable ride in such a neat little package. Unfortunately, you guys were very right about me underestimating the bulk and weight of the average folder. =D The only one I could easily lift was the Curve, however I really liked the way the Brompton could be rolled when folded - it's somewhat awkward to roll the folded Curve.
I was very tempted to purchase the Brompton, however I couldn't convince myself it was worth more than three times the price of the cute little Dahon. I find the Curve more difficult to power and it's certainly a twitchy little thing, but it's light and, while not very comfortable, not exactly a pain to ride either. Hopefully, a change in saddle will make the ride more cushy. I can't wait to pick it up from the shop and take it for a spin. =D Thanks for everyone's help, the advice and guidance was (is!) very much appreciated! =D
I've had two 16' inch wheel Dahon folders. The best investment you can get is the Dahon suspension seat post. Those wheels are a rough ride and you'll find that out real soon. Get a Dahon suspension seat post or a Brooks Champion flyer with springs.