Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - NJS chains

Anyone ever broke one? Thinking about trying one unless there are stories of em breaking. They look a lot more beefy than these ole KMC that everyone runs. I want something strongz.
Mostly considering HKK or Izumi ones.
Also, what about running with the bolt thru link on the street?

For street use any chain will break because you install it incorrectly or damage it somehow not because there isn't enough metal in it.

For street use any chain will break because you install it incorrectly or damage it somehow not because there isn't enough metal in it.

Well, of course. I wasnt really asking why chains break. The comment about them being beefy is just an observation. Nothing more.
I was asking if anyone has any experience with those particular chains.
Do you?

I agree with dutret on this one. If a chain is properly installed, it is not going to break. At least I am sure that I am not strong enough to snap a chain.

Anyone?

Get a Wipperman 1G8 and be done with it.

Get a Wipperman 1G8 and be done with it.

Seems like a good choice for strength. Ive never seen one on a fixed gear but maybe here its a rare chain. Im sure its heavy but like you said...be done with it.
Made in germany is good. Thanks.

If you search you will find lots of info on izumi chains and on using the bolt through links on the street. If they don't break in a keirin race then you won't break them on the street, unless you install it wrong. As dutret said, that goes for just about any chain.

I'll ask Ryuuno what he runs when I see him at the park. You trust his judgement, right?

I'll ask Ryuuno what he runs when I see him at the park. You trust his judgement, right?

Im still hoping to go. :)

You can find them on ebay but not often. Try spelling it "Wipperman"/"Wippermann"/"Wiperman"/"Wipermann" to find different results. Hell, look at the 1G8's description on the box...made for GRINDING. I know how to install a chain, so I'm pretty stoked about it lasting quite a while. However, I do worry it's going to eat the **** out of my chainring and rip it right off...the square plates are HUGE but I love it.

I'll send the vote for a Wipperman. Not NJS of course, but I used one for racing on the track as well as riding to and from the track for three years - and the chain looks as good as new. Somehow they feel fast too.

I think a lot of Japanese chains stretch too easily. Izumis only last a few months. That said, I'm running a DID at the moment and it feels good.

I love love love love love love my Shadow Conspiracy halflink chain. Also designed for grinding and rolls like the smoothest tank tread ever. And you never have to look for a halflink. Hooray!

hkk vertex is like $18 in japan... great chain, cheap. why not?

Guess what. Even a chain made for grinding that is installed improperly could break! Might as well get an NJS chain because there's a stamp on every link. You could break all aesthetic boundaries by leaving your axle all the way at the back of the track end just to get one more link and thus one more stamp on yr ride. BCHALLIN.

http://a646.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/14/m_a75a449830ed4bf4d01f72f18d6193d5.jpg

hmmm it seems like chains do break ...and not always because of poor intalation...CaCa happens

this photo scared me away from half lnk chain.

my njs super toughness chain seems a little quieter than my eco chain

I wasn't implying the 1G8 couldn't break...it obviously can. I just thought it was funny, because I never heard of a chain that is "made for grinding". I was never a BMXer.

(In skateboarding, however, I've got 18 years experience of "Built To Grind" Independents under my feet.)

I wasn't implying the 1G8 couldn't break...it obviously can. I just thought it was funny, because I never heard of a chain that is "made for grinding". I was never a BMXer.


not starting *****
just showing a picture of something scary

Guess what. Even a chain made for grinding that is installed improperly could break! Might as well get an NJS chain because there's a stamp on every link. You could break all aesthetic boundaries by leaving your axle all the way at the back of the track end just to get one more link and thus one more stamp on yr ride. BCHALLIN.

Is "BCHALLIN" a combination of "ballin" but referring to chains? Awesome.

Is "BCHALLIN" a combination of "ballin" but referring to chains? Awesome.

No, but four out of five (last not pictured) Jewish schoolchildren know this stuff to be off the chainnnn:

http://www.tbegreatneck.org/images/Religious%20School/TBE%20Religious%20School%20Class%204B%20Bakes%20Challah%209-21-05%20007.jpg

Aiight. I think 2 is the cutest.

Aiight. I think 2 is the cutest.

I guess we'll know for sure in 10 years, though we should probably eat the bread before then.

Aiight. I think 2 is the cutest.
I thought the picture was the end of this thread and thought "Oh geez." Then I read your comment and thought "this can't get any worse." And then I noticed your username.

I would avoid Izumi ECO chain, needed retensioning after every ride. Wore out at 700mi. The replacement Connex/Wipperman basic 'star' chain I used has >300mi and hasn't needed retensioning yet.
Al

silly question.. how does one install a chain incorrectly? seems pretty straightforward to me...

Ive never seen one on a fixed gear but maybe here its a rare chain.

Here you go:

http://velospace.org/files/drv_trn2.jpg (http://velospace.org/node/210)

travsi, the owner is on this forum. Ask him about his experience.

silly question.. how does one install a chain incorrectly? seems pretty straightforward to me...


Replace "install chain" with any maintenance on any item and ask the question again. There are a few steps in chain installation, namely making sure the pin is equally through on either side if you're not using a quick link, that can be and are quite often messed up. Hell, most people don't even know what a chain tool is.

http://www.freshhiphopnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/02/Old-school-LL.jpg

NJS Chains.

Dutret chalks everything up to user error.

silly question.. how does one install a chain incorrectly? seems pretty straightforward to me...

Incorrect installation:
push a pin in that wasn't meant to be pushed back in
push pins in and out too frequently
not push a pin all the way through the opposite plate.
push a pit too far though the opposite plate.
do something else that causes a stiff link
not install a masterlink correctly
not check a screw on masterlink frequently enough
etc

Things that can damage your chain:
chain suck
forcible derailment
shifting under force
rust
smacking it on things
etc

Deathare: I realize you weren't asking why chains break but with a few examples of very poorly designed ones or the infrequent manufacturing flaw they simply don't break unless you do something bad to them and that is dependent on you not the chain.

Dutret chalks everything up to user error.

Because with chains and cranks the user(more accurately the maintainer) is responsible for the vast majority of failures not the qualities of any specific model.

thanksyou

I run izumi esh's on two of my bikes, one with the special link, and one without. I haven't had trouble with either, and yeah, whether it's justified or not, I feel more confident running these chains on my brakeless bikes.

Is "BCHALLIN" a combination of "ballin" but referring to chains? Awesome.

I was thinking it was a truncated "BACALLIN"

I thought the picture was the end of this thread and thought "Oh geez." Then I read your comment and thought "this can't get any worse." And then I noticed your username.

That's right. It's what I like.

izumi V ! last for life.

i have been running on either an izumi esh or hkk vertex for the last two and a half years and have never once had a chain break or get thrown. i have broken and rebroken both chains several times (almost every time i change the gearing, i like getting my rear wheel in as far as i can). I measure them occasionally (every 2 months or so) to check for stretch and have been quite impressed with how well they have held up. I use the bolt masterlink, and feel secure riding up and down the hills around here. im a fan of njs chains.

The 1G8 is such a pretty chain.

[IMG]Dutret chalks everything up to user error.

Hang around here long enough and you will too.

I've been around here but left because dutret wouldn't.