Foo - advice for all college bound people

It's almost april, and college acceptance season is in full bloom. THrough it all, I have one piece of advice for everybody who plans to apply for college, or if your kids are I suggest you pass this message on:

APPLY EARLY DECISION

There's two early decision type things. One is binding, so if you get accepted you must attend. I don't recommend that. But the other one, that almost all colleges offer, is the early decision. I ahve read that applying early decision increases your odds of getting in, I heard "it's like adding 100pts to your SAT score".
Most importantly though, is that you will know what you are doing by January 1. It sucks when it's March and you have no idea where you will be going, or what you will be doing, in 6 months from now. That's the situation I am in now, and I hate it.

If you apply early admission and do not get accepted to a school you want, you still have time to apply again for regular admission, or regular admission for other schools. It's basically a second chance.

More advice:

1. Always have condoms with you.
2. Eat before you binge drink.
3. YES, you CAN smell the pot in the hall and it's pretty easy to tell which room it's comming from.
4. Your taste in music sucks. Turn it down, please.
5. Don't ****ing piss in the stairwell. There's no humor in it and it only serves to show just how dumb you are and the whole point of college is to learn how to hide how dumb you are.

More advice:

1. Always have condoms with you.
2. Eat before you binge drink.
3. YES, you CAN smell the pot in the hall and it's pretty easy to tell which room it's comming from.
4. Your taste in music sucks. Turn it down, please.
5. Don't ****ing piss in the stairwell. There's no humor in it and it only serves to show just how dumb you are and the whole point of college is to learn how to hide how dumb you are.

Better than OP :D

phantomcow2: Don't feel bad, the valedictorian of my graduating class (my best friend), didn't know where he was going to college until the week before classes started. He'd only applied to two schools, and only one accepted him. Part of the holdup was the fact that they were both art schools (Art Center College of Design and Center for Creative Studies), yet he only took one art class in HS.

Other advice:
1. Get drunk on the good stuff, maintain on the cheap stuff.
2. Always know when the last day to drop is.
3. If she says she's hungry, and asks you to walk her back to her (single) dorm room, refer to explody pup's advice #1.

Don't do any papers or homework until the night before they are due.
Make sure you are stupid drunk while writing those papers.
Be able to read ID's well so you don't go to jail for a hot night with underage girls.
Pizza is good but ramen noodles are cheaper.
Lock up all your shiz and don't trust anyone.
Attend all social functions with a reserve flask.
Don't fall asleep around people who've been drinking.
Steak is good but pb&j is cheaper.

Pay for your own damn college and don't spend your parents life long savings on your asses! Let them for God sakes have a little pleasure in life! How can I say this..............I paid my own way through college!

Pay for your own damn college and don't spend your parents life long savings on your asses! Let them for God sakes have a little pleasure in life! How can I say this..............I paid my own way through college!
I don't necessarily agree with this. Well, certainly if your parents cannot afford to help you with college, it's not their fault. But my parents are going to help me, though not nearly enough to keep me debt free! They are paying what they can afford. If I have kids, I will pay what I can reasonably afford. I think it's the last big expense a kid has on a parent.

I don't necessarily agree with this. Well, certainly if your parents cannot afford to help you with college, it's not their fault. But my parents are going to help me, though not nearly enough to keep me debt free! They are paying what they can afford. If I have kids, I will pay what I can reasonably afford. I think it's the last big expense a kid has on a parent.
They are actually investing in their own future, as well! If you are college educated, then they will be more comfortable when they move in with you and your wife and kids when they are too old to take care of themselves! If you have that degree, you'll make more $$ and have a bigger house, etc.........;)

Well, if your parents have money set aside for college, definitely use it! You're at school to learn and you can't really do that as well if you're working. You can always pay them pack later and give them an early retirement when you get out. The spread in wages between college-graduates and non-graduates are increasing more and more.

I'd recommend applying for all grants and student-aid monies possible. If your parents don't declare you on their taxes, you can actually get more in grants than what they save in taxes by declaring you dependent. On of my friends was getting close to $10k a year in free money. Then you can also take out interest-free loans on top of that. Only work as a last resort, max out your other sources like parents, grants & loans first.

I'd suggest living in the dorms your first year. This saves you a lot of time and effort on dealing with life issues like parking, laundry, food, bills, rent, etc. That time can better be spent studying and PARTYING!!! You'll also have more social contacts in the dorm; some of my best friends from school I met my first year in the dorms. Look for an all-girls religious floor on your dorm, those are the easiest, sluttiest girls you'll ever find! :)

- i'll date myself... but i did this:

1. took the SATs on time
2. applied to a state college
3. tuition was $300 per quarter
4. my roommate was 15 and was accepted in the Wharton School at UPenn (he graduated at 19)
5. i graduated at 16, finished school at 20
6. did not marry a college sweetheart
7. did have quite a few liaisons w/college sweethearts
8. ended up in military
9. college did zippididooda for me, but did enable me to retire first at 41, then for the second time at 50...

- life is good now... i ride a bike 25 miles every morning after breakfast...

- listen to phantomcow2, 'cause as is from Ferris Beuller's Day Off, "He's a cool dude."

:-)

Nope................pay for it yourself. It teaches the value of money and most loans can be repaid after graduation therefore the work while in college to pay for makes grades go down is no defense. Also I worked 30+ hrs. a week and still made the Dean's List so it can be done. But then again, I worked since I was 15 years old and was no slacker like most kids wanting a handout!

You're not in college to get drunk, despite what you hear. Paying that kind of money to live in a drunken haze is ridiculous. Study your arse off and do something *other* than following the future (?) alcoholics when you have free time.

I didn't get anything out of my college experience, I knew everything that I wanted to by time I graduated High School.

A few things to make sure of though, don't over do it on the drinks, it will only hurt you.
Keep a normal sleeping pattern.
Don't trust certain foods from the college dining hall, you may bite it, but it might bite you right back.
Attend the classes, also don't be afraid to ask questions, even if it is after the class. Professors are not huge scary individuals, they will be more than happy to try to help you out as much as they are able to.

Let's see, I drank too much, but had all of my assignments turned in and had really good attendance, so for me it balanced right out.

If your parents don't declare you on their taxes, you can actually get more in grants than what they save in taxes by declaring you dependent.

Not true - Whether your parents clain you one your taxes or not, if you are not 24, not married, don't have children or other dependents, are not a veteran or an orphan, and are not on active duty in the military, you are going to file with your parent's income anyway.

The student's savings, however, will usually impact on eligibilty for aid more than the parents' will... so, buy your computers & stuff before you file - which you probably should have already done!


Then you can also take out interest-free loans on top of that.

There is no such thing as an interest free loan. There are guaranteed, subsidized loans which may not charge interest while you're in school, but the interest will begin when repayment begins.


Only work as a last resort,

Working while you go to school has always been a decent option. Some financial aid is work (College Work Study) and is usually limited to 16 hours a week. The ket is to work PART TIME - you are, after all, in school to supposedly get an education!


My advice is to apply for all the scholarships you can - use www.fastweb.com's search tool, check out local scholarships, etc. Of course, the cheapest way to go to college is to get good grades, ace the SATs & get a free ride from the school!

My advice to anyone who wants to pay for their own education is to get involved in asbestos removal:)

Foo forum should just be renamed emo forum.

Have fun, but not too much.

Don't be in a hurry to finish school and join the real world.

It's overrated.

Foo forum should just be renamed emo forum.
Why?:eek:

I'm already in college

More advice:

1. Always have condoms with you.
2. Eat before you binge drink.
3. YES, you CAN smell the pot in the hall and it's pretty easy to tell which room it's comming from.
4. Your taste in music sucks. Turn it down, please.
5. Don't ****ing piss in the stairwell. There's no humor in it and it only serves to show just how dumb you are and the whole point of college is to learn how to hide how dumb you are.

+1


Other advice:
1. Get drunk on the good stuff, maintain on the cheap stuff.
2. Always know when the last day to drop is.
3. If she says she's hungry, and asks you to walk her back to her (single) dorm room, refer to explody pup's advice #1.

+1

More:

1. Beer before Liquor Never Been Sicker, Liquor Before Beer In the Clear. (Ok, its a myth, but it always worked for me)
2. Drink lots of water after drinking before bed.

My advise, go for the Mid Western Girls.
Mid Western girls tend to be less stuck up as East Coast girls. The also aren't as aware of how good looking they are because they come from smaller towns where the pickens are slim. So find the girls with ascents. With an East Coast girls you'd be lucky to get a 5 ( on a scale of 1 - 10), but a Freshman girl from the Mid West, you could probably score a 8 or 9..
You seen like a smart kid. I bet you'll make a lot of cash when you get older, and with a lot of cash you can wheel an 8 or 9 from any where, but if you want that now, you need to find girls from small towns and forget the east coast girls... Unless they are really drunk, then all bets are off. In which case refer to #1 in explodys post.

Okay, here's a novel idea. Go do all the partying, drinking, staying up stupid late you want - BEFORE you go to college. Take a year or two after high school to get that stuff out of your system. Then go to college because you want to be there, not because you can't think of anything better to do with your time and your or your parents' money.

Believe it or not, the educational part of college can be a hell of a lot of fun. But there are an awful ot of 18 year olds who simply are not ready to do it - I was one of 'em. Two years of digging ditches, flipping pizzas, drinking beer and . . . well, doing other stuff led me to realize that that was not how I wanted to spend the rest of my life. Aced college, went to law school. Pretty damn good one, too.

Okay, maybe that's not the best example, but you get my point. :p

In all seriousness, if I ruled the world (which would be a really, really bad idea), no one would go straight from high school to college. Go spend a year or two doing something else. Personally, I think a couple years in the military or in alternative service (kid's choice) would be a tremendous thing, both for the country (think of what could be accomplished) and for each college's student body, which would then be made up of people who had seen something other than the inside of a classroom instead of a bunch of barely-post-puberty hormone cases away from home for the first time. God almighty, maybe some learnin' would even get done.:eek:

Okay, here's a novel idea. Go do all the partying, drinking, staying up stupid late you want - BEFORE you go to college. Take a year or two after high school to get that stuff out of your system. Then go to college because you want to be there, not because you can't think of anything better to do with your time and your or your parents' money.

Believe it or not, the educational part of college can be a hell of a lot of fun. But there are an awful ot of 18 year olds who simply are not ready to do it - I was one of 'em. Two years of digging ditches, flipping pizzas, drinking beer and . . . well, doing other stuff led me to realize that that was not how I wanted to spend the rest of my life. Aced college, went to law school. Pretty damn good one, too.

Okay, maybe that's not the best example, but you get my point. :p

In all seriousness, if I ruled the world (which would be a really, really bad idea), no one would go straight from high school to college. Go spend a year or two doing something else. Personally, I think a couple years in the military or in alternative service (kid's choice) would be a tremendous thing, both for the country (think of what could be accomplished) and for each college's student body, which would then be made up of people who had seen something other than the inside of a classroom instead of a bunch of barely-post-puberty hormone cases away from home for the first time. God almighty, maybe some learnin' would even get done.:eek:

I am sticking my neck out there, but I agree with the military or alternative service 100%. Pretty much every European country does this, and this helps pretty much everyone. It at leasts gives a foot in the door for people who would otherwise have to be very lucky in finding a tradeskill or way to pay for college.

As for college, my suggestions:

1: Lock up your computer. Its very common for people to leave themselves logged on... and for others to take advantage of it. Its no fun finding your CV changed to a link to tubgirl on your webpage, especially when looking for work.

2: Only get drunk with people whom you trust. Life sucks waking up with only one eyebrow and 3/4 of your haircut.

3: Don't try driving when sloshed. Waking up chained to the wall right by the toilet in an overcrowded 5x9 does suck. Really it does. Yes, it may take away from your beer/pizza/WoW money, but call a cab. Thankfully I've never experienced this firsthand, but its pretty common in Austin. (The search term in Google, "Austin DWI" was noted as one of the most popular, and one of the highest to buy for adwords.)

4: Follow Explodypup's advice. Condoms are not just for heavy duty balloon animals. That great feeling last night might turn very itchy in the weeks to come.

5: Maybe try to get to know some of the professors and make a good impression. A lot of jobs put a lot of weight on professor recommendations and GPA.

6: If you can, keep GPA above a 3.5. Unless you are in engineering. Then if you get a 2.0 or higher, be thankful.

7: If most of your carpet squishes when you walk on it on a weekday, be assured that you will not be recovering any part of your security deposit.

RE the security deposit mentioned above:

It never ceases to amaze me what a college kid will rent, or the slummo landlords who take advantage of these kids! So, some advice from a parent who's son had a bad rental experience, and from a landlord who has a very few problems with the tenants:

Looking for a place to rent? Check the LANDLORD's reputation! Does he/she take care of the building? Are repairs needed? Is it clean? Does everything work? Did the last tenant get their security deposit back, and if not, why. Is there a lease, and what does it say? A lease is not just a pece of paper - it's a legal, binding document - as in, if you move out early, you may still be responsible for the rent on the balance of your lease! No lease? That means you have a month to month rental, and can be asked to leave (varies state by state) with 2 weeks notice.

Found a place you like? Visit, with the landord and your trusty videocam with sound, and do the walk-thru. If you have an ethical landlord, he/she will want to do this same walkthru with his/her own video record (or pictures). You are both acknowledging the condition of the apartment/house upon rental - when you leave, your deposit return may just depend upon this video (or set of pictures). Check the appliances out & make sure they work. Check all the windows & make note of any problems, ditto the condition of any carpet/flooring/walls/etc. Who pays the utilities? What are the contact numbers for problems? Make sure, if you have a pet, that pets are allowed. What are the media hook ups, and if none, what can be installed & at who's expense? What comes with the place - if furniture is involved, note the condition (tears/stains, etc) so you won't end up paying for damage that was there when you rented the place. Ah, the squishy carpet - the easiest way to lose a deposit is to ruin a carpet!

Once you rent a place, remember that it is someone's property, just like home is your parent's property. Do not destroy the place, or let your friends destroy the place. 1st time renters will usually notice, belatedly, that they have more party-happy friends than they knew about - simply because they have a place to party. You will be left with the mess & the damage becomes your problem. Would you let these people destroy your folks house? Don't let them do it to yours!

Don't forget to go to class.

RE the security deposit mentioned above:

It never ceases to amaze me what a college kid will rent, or the slummo landlords who take advantage of these kids! So, some advice from a parent who's son had a bad rental experience, and from a landlord who has a very few problems with the tenants:

Looking for a place to rent? Check the LANDLORD's reputation! Does he/she take care of the building? Are repairs needed? Is it clean? Does everything work? Did the last tenant get their security deposit back, and if not, why. Is there a lease, and what does it say? A lease is not just a pece of paper - it's a legal, binding document - as in, if you move out early, you may still be responsible for the rent on the balance of your lease! No lease? That means you have a month to month rental, and can be asked to leave (varies state by state) with 2 weeks notice.

Found a place you like? Visit, with the landord and your trusty videocam with sound, and do the walk-thru. If you have an ethical landlord, he/she will want to do this same walkthru with his/her own video record (or pictures). You are both acknowledging the condition of the apartment/house upon rental - when you leave, your deposit return may just depend upon this video (or set of pictures). Check the appliances out & make sure they work. Check all the windows & make note of any problems, ditto the condition of any carpet/flooring/walls/etc. Who pays the utilities? What are the contact numbers for problems? Make sure, if you have a pet, that pets are allowed. What are the media hook ups, and if none, what can be installed & at who's expense? What comes with the place - if furniture is involved, note the condition (tears/stains, etc) so you won't end up paying for damage that was there when you rented the place. Ah, the squishy carpet - the easiest way to lose a deposit is to ruin a carpet!

Once you rent a place, remember that it is someone's property, just like home is your parent's property. Do not destroy the place, or let your friends destroy the place. 1st time renters will usually notice, belatedly, that they have more party-happy friends than they knew about - simply because they have a place to party. You will be left with the mess & the damage becomes your problem. Would you let these people destroy your folks house? Don't let them do it to yours!
Very good advice. I had a friend of mine chucked out of his place with 2 weeks notice because he was month to month, and the landlord wanted a place in the apartment complex for his friends.

Carpet is expensive, it can run into the thousands of dollars if the floor pad is soiled, and the whole thing has to be taken up and replaced. Another thing people will take security deposits on are walls. Small holes are OK (and there are court cases stating that this is normal use of a place), but other real damage to the drywall will also mean no security deposit.

Here in Texas, there is a Tenant's Council. That is a good place to check on someone's reputation either good or lousy.

Lastly, and thank God I have not encountered this, or have any friends who have. Make sure to lock really valuable stuff up, even if you just stick it in a desk drawer and turn the key. Its not unheard of for a maintenance staff to do a little five-fingered shopping from tenant owned property on the side, especially small and valuable things (rings), or feel they have a right to try logging onto your computer and browsing websites that are likely to install "gifts that keep on giving" such as keyloggers or spambots. A simple password set in XP is adequate for a lot of things. It forces someone from just casually poking, to actually doing a crime under state law (computer trespass) in order to gain access. Its just like sticking a lock on a locker... its not for security, but more of an off limits sign.

It's almost april, and college acceptance season is in full bloom. THrough it all, I have one piece of advice for everybody who plans to apply for college, or if your kids are I suggest you pass this message on:

APPLY EARLY DECISION

There's two early decision type things. One is binding, so if you get accepted you must attend. I don't recommend that. But the other one, that almost all colleges offer, is the early decision. I ahve read that applying early decision increases your odds of getting in, I heard "it's like adding 100pts to your SAT score".
Most importantly though, is that you will know what you are doing by January 1. It sucks when it's March and you have no idea where you will be going, or what you will be doing, in 6 months from now. That's the situation I am in now, and I hate it.

If you apply early admission and do not get accepted to a school you want, you still have time to apply again for regular admission, or regular admission for other schools. It's basically a second chance.
Here's another piece of advice: don't take advice from anyone that's not in college!

More advice:

1. Always have condoms with you.
2. Eat before you binge drink.
3. YES, you CAN smell the pot in the hall and it's pretty easy to tell which room it's comming from.
4. Your taste in music sucks. Turn it down, please.
5. Don't ****ing piss in the stairwell. There's no humor in it and it only serves to show just how dumb you are and the whole point of college is to learn how to hide how dumb you are.
I can only add:
6. Don't be the gooch with the guitar. When you sit in a public space and play the same five songs over and over, it makes everyone hate you, and doesn't fool girls into thinking you're not socially inept.

My advise, go for the Mid Western Girls.
Mid Western girls tend to be less stuck up as East Coast girls. The also aren't as aware of how good looking they are because they come from smaller towns where the pickens are slim. So find the girls with ascents. With an East Coast girls you'd be lucky to get a 5 ( on a scale of 1 - 10), but a Freshman girl from the Mid West, you could probably score a 8 or 9..
You seen like a smart kid. I bet you'll make a lot of cash when you get older, and with a lot of cash you can wheel an 8 or 9 from any where, but if you want that now, you need to find girls from small towns and forget the east coast girls... Unless they are really drunk, then all bets are off. In which case refer to #1 in explodys post.

Ahh, such inexperience. Mid Western girls from small towns are more stuck up than girls from larger towns because they have less competition. They get used to be treated special for their looks.

Maybe you are talking about midwest girls who rate a 5 to us, but an 8 or 9 to you.

A note about Early Decision - It's actually fine if you KNOW where you want to be & what you want to do. Most kids don't, and the May acceptance/denial letters & all that ensue are just part of growing up!

I can only add:
6. Don't be the gooch with the guitar. When you sit in a public space and play the same five songs over and over, it makes everyone hate you, and doesn't fool girls into thinking you're not socially inept.

Its extremely common (especially in Austin) for people who are quite stoned to be reaching for a guitar and trying to strum something... usually Freebird. So, unless one is good with a guitar and/or has original tunes, don't reach for it in a party unless you want to be labelled as the annoying pothead... and eventually someone will end the pothead's guitar solo with a The Who finale.

I can only add:
6. Don't be the gooch with the guitar. When you sit in a public space and play the same five songs over and over, it makes everyone hate you, and doesn't fool girls into thinking you're not socially inept.
What if you are the gooch that can sit in the public space and play for 6 or 7 hours straight without a single repeat doing Flamenco, Brazilian Avante-garde, and other forms of classical guitar music?:D

Then I guess I'd have to toss a quarter in your guitar case.

As someone who works at a university, I am constantly impressed by two things:

*How hard faculty members work to create a good education for the students here.

*The incredible diversity of students from different parts of the country and from around the world.

My advice would therefore be: Make the most of both of these resources. Dive into your classes and dive into the multi-cultural mix. You'll learn a lot. You'll have fun. And you'll be better prepared for global economy and what it's gonna throw your way over the next four or five decades.

As someone who works at a university, I am constantly impressed by two things:

*How hard faculty members work to create a good education for the students here.

*The incredible diversity of students from different parts of the country and from around the world.

My advice would therefore be: Make the most of both of these resources. Dive into your classes and dive into the multi-cultural mix. You'll learn a lot. You'll have fun. And you'll be better prepared for global economy and what it's gonna throw your way over the next four or five decades.


Bravo!!! I still mourn the passing of the liberal arts education that merely, uh, taught one how to think!

What if you are the gooch that can sit in the public space and play for 6 or 7 hours straight without a single repeat doing Flamenco, Brazilian Avante-garde, and other forms of classical guitar music?:DThen you should be on stage, not smelling vaguely of pot in the middle of campus. Actually, the guy w/guitar is an existential paradigm none of us can escape, apparently.

Then you should be on stage, not smelling vaguely of pot in the middle of campus. Actually, the guy w/guitar is an existential paradigm none of us can escape, apparently.
Where did I say anything about smelling vaguely of Pot?;)

Spend your first two years in community college.

*The incredible diversity of students from different parts of the country and from around the world.

My advice would therefore be: Make the most of both of these resources. Dive into your classes and dive into the multi-cultural mix. You'll learn a lot. You'll have fun. And you'll be better prepared for global economy and what it's gonna throw your way over the next four or five decades.

I agree with the multi-cultural mix especially. Instead of hanging out with the same type of people you hung out with in high school, try meeting people who are nothing like them.

It may be a very eye opening experience, in a positive way.

Bravo!!! I still mourn the passing of the liberal arts education that merely, uh, taught one how to think!

In terms of education, learning how to think remains the greatest gift and the greatest accomplishment of all.

Once you learn how to think, pretty much everything else is just learning rulesets and axioms (be it formulas, language syntax rules, management structures, or court cases).

If you are with a girl, and it feels like you are throwing pennies down a hallway..run like hell...that's bad news..:eek: :eek: :eek:

Bravo!!! I still mourn the passing of the liberal arts education that merely, uh, taught one how to think!

But.... but... you'll never use that stuff in Real Life(TM)!!!!!!111one :eek:









:rolleyes:

Live on campus for the fist year. But just for the first year. Then get a place as far away from campus as you can go without having to drive, because rent will be considerably cheaper. You do *not* want to live in "student friendly" apartments. Don't *ever* throw a party at your own house... go to somebody else's party. And don't even think about bringing a car, unless you want to spend 2 hours finding parking.

Other things:
-Sit next to an open window and blow your smoke through a paper towel roll with some dryer sheets stuffed in the end... it works.
-The higher the proof, the worse the idea.
-Find a cool coffee shop. Study there.
-Some of your friends will screw you over... just move on and make new friends.
-Freshman girls can be fun, but don't get into a deep relationship with one.
-You're not in high school anymore, so stop wearing the damn t-shirts and class ring.
-Also, nobody cares how cool you were in HS... you ain't s**t now.
-Changing your major once or twice is normal... any more and you're not taking it seriously.
-Do not put your alarm clock within reach of your bed.
-Restaurant jobs are hard to come by in a college town... find something else to do.

I've got more, but this post is long already.

-Do not put your alarm clock within reach of your bed.


That's a good one.

Live on campus for the fist year. But just for the first year. Then get a place as far away from campus as you can go without having to drive, because rent will be considerably cheaper. You do *not* want to live in "student friendly" apartments. Don't *ever* throw a party at your own house... go to somebody else's party. And don't even think about bringing a car, unless you want to spend 2 hours finding parking.

Other things:
-Sit next to an open window and blow your smoke through a paper towel roll with some dryer sheets stuffed in the end... it works.I can totally concur with this, it works.

-The higher the proof, the worse the idea.
-Find a cool coffee shop. Study there.
-Some of your friends will screw you over... just move on and make new friends.Yep

-Freshman girls can be fun, but don't get into a deep relationship with one.
-You're not in high school anymore, so stop wearing the damn t-shirts and class ring.
-Also, nobody cares how cool you were in HS... you ain't s**t now.LOL.

-Changing your major once or twice is normal... any more and you're not taking it seriously.
-Do not put your alarm clock within reach of your bed.
-Restaurant jobs are hard to come by in a college town... find something else to do.Also, restaurant jobs are demoralizing and crappy, dealing with alcoholics and soccer moms can turn you bitter quickly.

Good advice.