Advocacy & Safety - Anti Share the road rant

These guys are nuts!
WARNING: NSFW,Language and nudity
Anti Share the Road Ravings (http://gwamp.com/offtopic/viewtopic.php?t=636)

Edit: offensive language and nudity warning on linked site NSFW

wow, thats called because most cyclists put up a poor face for cycling, i hate scofflaws.

wow a site for rude ignorant JAMs to state their case. these guys are the bizarro world version of the Forsterite VC zealots.

I think their user names say it all.
What can you seriously expect from someone who self idenitifies as, "******."

It all stems from this:
I can't stand MFs on pedal bikes that think they have equal rights to ride in traffic.

The point is we don't just think it. We have it. It is legally our right to "ride in traffic," just as any other citizen has the legal right to the road... how they use the road is the debatable part.

Of course the "idiot" think all this because he:
...pay(s) road taxes and insurance, registration fees, maintain a valid operators license and a MC license. and that somehow gives him "rights" to the road... no, it just grants him the privilege to use his heavy motorized vehicle on the road. The right to the road is already his... what he choses to use on the road is the real issue, and why he in fact has to pay for the privilege of using his heavy dangerous vehicle.

It is that whole issue of rights verses privilege that idiot motorists such as the one in the link just doesn't understand.

Everything he pays for, is for the vehicle, not for the road... the road belongs to the public... PERIOD.

Road taxees aren't paid exclusively by motorists. Typical e-tough behavior. I will kick everyone's ass in this room.

At least his wife seems to have common sense. At I really feel for her future, seriously. Just look at his last quote about planing to "do something about it". Sure it could have many meanings. But after a rant like he made, that comment only points towards one thing. And unless there is some sort of intervention his wife will find herself homeless and married to a man in prison after he is convicted on homicide and she loses everything in a wrongful death suit.
He is an ambulance chasing lawyers wet dream.

It all stems from this:

The point is we don't just think it. We have it. It is legally our right to "ride in traffic," just as any other citizen has the legal right to the road... how they use the road is the debatable part.

Of course the "idiot" think all this because he: and that somehow gives him "rights" to the road... no, it just grants him the privilege to use his heavy motorized vehicle on the road. The right to the road is already his... what he choses to use on the road is the real issue, and why he in fact has to pay for the privilege of using his heavy dangerous vehicle.

It is that whole issue of rights verses privilege that idiot motorists such as the one in the link just doesn't understand.

Everything he pays for, is for the vehicle, not for the road... the road belongs to the public... PERIOD.
Two words: MOTORIST EDUCATION

Hmmm... I think that whole blog's a fake. They spell WAY too good to be REAL hicks.


I think their user names say it all.
What can you seriously expect from someone who self idenitifies as, "******."

I agree treespeed. Wouldn't worry about mouthing off like this too much.

Two words: MOTORIST EDUCATION

:beer: :beer: :beer:

One of 'em ran into my wife while we were hiking, literally. I calmly walked over to the guy, and kicked him AND his bike over. And told the ****er I was notifying the authorities if he didn't get his ass outta there.

Apparently spoken without irony...

yea seriously i can corner alot faster on a bike than most people can in a car

If I search for it, I can find rants against Jews and Mexicans, both people and cultures I'm a part of.

My point is that while there are morons who pose a danger to you due to their opinions and actions, you can't let them get to you.

I had a couple encounters with JAMS today (ironically, all while taking the lane and riding VC...sometimes above the speed limit). They all had cases of Manifest Asphalt Destiny (MAD) and it's their problem. They're morons, but they didn't hit me, so it's all good.

I'm not worried about the guys posting in that forum. I have bigger issues to worry about, like which pair of pants I'm wearing to work tomorrow.

I found this comment to be quite disturbing.


Cyclists impede traffic (which is a ticketable offense for a motor vehicle operator), 99% of them ride under the required speed (a moving violation for drivers), in fact many of them speed in areas where the limit is low. Say in a school zone, which is a MAJOR offense for a driver.

Does he think that the speed limit is a minimim speed. The fact that he related it to a school zone is quite scary. Does he really think that he is required to go faster than 25mph?

Hmph:



2. At most intersections, your supposed to walk your bicycle.


Ignoring the telltale "your'/'you're" wormsign of internet idiocy, someone really needs to read his driver's manual. Or does he walk his car across the intersection.

Maybe someone still thinks what mommy told him holds true for adulthood.

Hmph:



Ignoring the telltale "your'/'you're" wormsign of internet idiocy, someone really needs to read his driver's manual. Or does he walk his car across the intersection.

Maybe someone still thinks what mommy told him holds true for adulthood.
He's probably in a bad mood because mommy grounded him for not cleaning his room.

Seriously, a cyclist got on and posted some rational responses (more rational than what I just wrote). The cyclist was wrong about one point (at least under Ohio law). The far-right-as-practicable laws don't require cyclists to ride on the shoulders. Although I'm sure the law is rarely enforced, we are prohibited from using the shoulders like any other vehicle. A lawyer who handles cyclist liability cases said that the fact that a cyclist was on the shoulder could be used against the cyclist if there was an accident.

Is this rant supposed to be taken seriously? This guy sounds either really stupid, or he's just trying to yank everyone's chain. Seeing as how I can't accept complete and utter stupidity most of the time, I hope he's just messing around :eek:

I'm over there posting a cyclists side of it. It is kind of fun seeing them get all wound up over this. They can't seem to let go of the emotional side of it. I have asked repeatedly to show me non-emotional proof via internet links to proove cyclists do not belong on the roadways. I have stated more then once in all 50states we are legal vehicles of the roadways.

I would take this rant seriously. More then one of them would like nothing more then to run us over & hit us with their vehicles.

You can't have a reasoned conversation with someone who threatens to murder you and to post the picture. N_C, you are wasting pixels.


wow a site for rude ignorant JAMs to state their case. these guys are the bizarro world version of the Forsterite VC zealots.
Or, more accurately, the bizarro world of keep-cyclists-out-of-the-traffic-lanes-for-their-own-good facilties fanatics. Their points are more similar to the arguments for segregated facilities than to any other position I see in these forums.

I'm over there posting a cyclists side of it. It is kind of fun seeing them get all wound up over this. They can't seem to let go of the emotional side of it. I have asked repeatedly to show me non-emotional proof via internet links to proove cyclists do not belong on the roadways. I have stated more then once in all 50states we are legal vehicles of the roadways.

I would take this rant seriously. More then one of them would like nothing more then to run us over & hit us with their vehicles.
I thought that was you!:D

I thought that was you!:D

Yeah it's me. Though I wish there were more cyclists helping with this. Some of the language & avatars are pretty bad though. Especially one of them.

These guys are nuts!
Anti Share the Road Ravings (http://gwamp.com/offtopic/viewtopic.php?t=636)

Edit: offensive language warning on linked site

And a (diseased?) penis photo avatar.

Just letting those that haven't gone to the link knows about this so they can avoid it if they don't want to see that.

And a (diseased?) penis photo avatar.

Just letting those that haven't gone to the link knows about this so they can avoid it if they don't want to see that.

Thanks, updated my original Post

Don't kid yourself into thinking that you're representing all cyclists over there.


Well no **** sherlock, want to tell me something I don't know? If you read my response I said A cyclist's view of it, not all cyclists view.

I never once stated I represent all cyclists.

Get a life, will ya?!

Better yet leave me the **** alone & go tear up that bootlegged single track bicycles are supposed to be banned from.

Yeah it's me. Though I wish there were more cyclists helping with this. Some of the language & avatars are pretty bad though. Especially one of them.
Would you be referring to "******" or the guy with the tire track smilie?:D or both!:eek:

Would you be referring to "******" or the guy with the tire track smilie?:D or both!:eek:

Not casey's, he's the one with the tire track over the smilie face. His isn't so bad.

It is this nit wit who's avatar is way over the top: **** Off, it also says this: Master of ******, & this: Happy Overlord's day ******!

I put the *'s in especially for the one word that is 6 letters long, the other F word the language filter would have caught.

I would take this rant seriously. More then one of them would like nothing more then to run us over & hit us with their vehicles.

Why bother?

There are plenty of people who want to take me out for far more superfluous reasons. No need to care. It's the internet, FFS.

Not casey's, he's the one with the tire track over the smilie face. His isn't so bad.

It is this nit wit who's avatar is way over the top: **** Off, it also says this: Master of ******, & this: Happy Overlord's day ******!

I put the *'s in especially for the one word that is 6 letters long, the other F word the language filter would have caught.
Actually, N_C, I'd tend not to worry too much about these folk, they are getting their jollies and are likely, in real life, middle aged balding accountants with wives that beat them up when they get home and the net is their outlet for aggression. As long as they are ranting there, we're probably safe!

As to Master of ******, he's likely a 12-14 year old, just at a guess.:D

Many drivers are hostile to bikers before they even see you. My attitude towards them is even worse. So, I only ride trails. No cars in the ride for me. It's just too dangerous. bk

The whole thing sounds like the typical, start-of-bicycle-season rant. You know, the ones we usually hear about from certain talk radio hosts. We've heard it all before. Still, if that blog is for real, it reveals a much more disturbing problem in this country, and it isn't just about bicyclists. Is mob justice on the horizon?

One thing stands out in my mind though: I have never, ever eaten Granola.

The whole thing sounds like the typical, start-of-bicycle-season rant. You know, the ones we usually hear about from certain talk radio hosts. We've heard it all before. Still, if that blog is for real, it reveals a much more disturbing problem in this country, and it isn't just about bicyclists. Is mob justice on the horizon?

Unfortunately, mob justice has already happened. See this thread for details:

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=284556

Personally I think if a car is behind you, they should beep, you should pull over and even stop to let them pass. They are right "share the road" is poorly defined.

Personally I think if a car is behind you, they should beep, you should pull over and even stop to let them pass. They are right "share the road" is poorly defined.

So, when you are driving your car and you come up on a slower-moving truck, you should sound your horn and they should pull over and stop to let you pass?????

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

How about a farm implement?

You concept is ridiculous on it's face. Slower-moving vehicles are under no obligation to get out of the way of overtaking traffic. The obligation is on the overtaking vehicle to pass safely.

Personally I think if a car is behind you, they should beep, you should pull over and even stop to let them pass. They are right "share the road" is poorly defined.

You are kidding, right?

I never pull over if there is an open lane that the car can pass me by in, and you shouldn't either. I only pull over on single lanes if a car is stuck behind me for more than a few seconds, or if I end up with three or more cars stuck behind me. Otherwise, I ignore the honking by the stupid motorist.

If this is your belief, maybe you ought to head back on the sidewalk :lol:

Personally I think if a car is behind you, they should beep, you should pull over and even stop to let them pass. They are right "share the road" is poorly defined.

I actually do this in my car as well (when I drove). But, its pretty common in some areas (often narrow roads even have little pull over places once in a while to allow for this), but even on the highway, when driving cross country, I would encounter this a lot, just pull onto the shoulder for a few seconds to allow the fast guys to pass easier.



So, when you are driving your car and you come up on a slower-moving truck, you should sound your horn and they should pull over and stop to let you pass?????

uhh yes.. and again when I drove, many many times I was behind a slow truck/farm and I honked, and they pulled over and let me pass; usually I didnt even have to honk! Why do you find this so ridiculous? This happens all the time every day, I would say its "common car courtesy" of driving in rural areas or on two lane highways.



Slower-moving vehicles are under no obligation to get out of the way of overtaking traffic. The obligation is on the overtaking vehicle to pass safely.

I agree they have no legal obligation. But, that doesnt mean it doesnt happen, and that its not neccesarily a good idea sometimes.


I have to say though, cycling in Chicago (and every other dense urban area I have cycled in), I have NEVER encountered a situation where I had to pull over to let traffic pass.

I just went on that board and it seems that ALL of those people are absolutely INSANE! (Note: I don't use exclamation points lightly). Charging people with drawn knives? Purposely running people off of the road?

I have been riding on the roads around my house for years. Many of the roads are 15 to 20 feet wide. First of all, I ride with a mirror and I try to pay attention to what's coming up behind me. When a vehicle is approaching I make sure that I'm over as far to the right as it practical given pavement conditions, etc. You know why? Because I have a brain and I did the math. My bike and I together weigh in at about 200 lbs and that car coming up has a few thousand pounds on me. Duh?

Some drivers, the ones with any common sense, give you a fairly wide berth when passing. With some drivers, I have felt the blow by when side view mirror goes by, even when there is no traffic coming in the other direction. This, my friends, is stupid. Needless to say, when I am driving a car I am respectful of cyclists when I come upon them. It doesn't matter whose fault it is, if you clip one you're going to feel miserable for a long, long time, perhaps as long as you live.

That said, there is a health club near my house that runs a mini triathalon every year. They do it on a Sunday morning and they get a lot of folks participating. The last two times they have run it, I have been on my way to a regular Sunday morning t-time at a local golf course. The behavior of many of the cyclists who particpate in this event is just plain nuts. I have actually experienced cyclists who were riding single file, who, when I started to approach and pass them, by putting my left tire on the opposite shoulder, go three across the 14-foot wide road to keep me from going by them. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

While I harbor no secret wishes to flatten them, this annoying, rude, and patently stupid behavior gives rise to the kind of nonsense on that other board.

You know, sometimes, no matter what your rights are, you just have to suck it up and apply common sense and common courtesy. A little of each goes a long, long way. It might even keep you alive.

On multi-lane roads, I generally use the full right lane. When I try to lane split with cars, they pass too closely. If they have to wait 15 seconds for a gap in traffic, so be it. Cars slow me down numerous times on my commute, and that's just part of being in traffic.

Hmph:

Quote:
2. At most intersections, your supposed to walk your bicycle.


Ignoring the telltale "your'/'you're" wormsign of internet idiocy, someone really needs to read his driver's manual. Or does he walk his car across the intersection.

I hope he does...GHOST RIDE THE WHIP!

I just perfected hopping off at 4 way stops into a funky worm across the intersection right into ridin away back on the bike!!!

From the perspective of the car driver, if you are riding at 10mph and they are driving at 65 mph they have to drop down 55 mph to follow you, you on the other hand only have to drop down 10 mph if you just pull over and let them pass. It is also possible that the gravel, dirt or even sidewalk will allow you to keep moving.

I would also say that people in cars often are rushing to work to make an appointment. Bikers, even commuters, usually have less constraints on their time.

As far as multi lane roads go, if the driver cannot figure out that they can switch lanes and go around me, I would prefer they were not following me.

From the perspective of the car driver, if you are riding at 10mph and they are driving at 65 mph they have to drop down 55 mph to follow you, you on the other hand only have to drop down 10 mph if you just pull over and let them pass. It is also possible that the gravel, dirt or even sidewalk will allow you to keep moving.
I'll pull over and wait for emergency vehicles, but why should I treat every car and truck like an emergency vehicle? If I did that, I'd never get to work. In parts of Ohio, cars have to navigate around Amish buggies. So what? Part of driving is knowing that sometimes you will be stuck behind slower moving traffic. If you can't handle that, you don't belong on the road.

Plus, cars slow me down on almost every commute, especially in rush hour. Should they be required to move out of my way?

Edited for content, 11:46 a.m., 4/8/07


I would also say that people in cars often are rushing to work to make an appointment. Bikers, even commuters, usually have less constraints on their time.
A car is usually stuck behind me for 5-15 seconds, rarely 30 seconds, and never longer than a light cycle. If the car drivers can't handle that kind of delay, they left too late. Their poor planning is not my fault. And why do you say that bike commuters have fewer contraints on our time? I want to get to work and get home, too.



As far as multi lane roads go, if the driver cannot figure out that they can switch lanes and go around me, I would prefer they were not following me.
They know they can switch lanes, they just don't want to. Usually, when they stay behind me for more than a few seconds, it's because they are planning on turning right. Then I'm really glad I was using the full lane. The other drivers would have likely buzzed me. I'd rather they be behind me than 3 inches off my left elbow.

From the perspective of the car driver, if you are riding at 10mph and they are driving at 65 mph they have to drop down 55 mph to follow you, you on the other hand only have to drop down 10 mph if you just pull over and let them pass. It is also possible that the gravel, dirt or even sidewalk will allow you to keep moving.

And if there isn't? I'm not hitting gravel at 20mph (not 10) just because the worlds angriest accountant can't properly pass another vehicle on th road.



I would also say that people in cars often are rushing to work to make an appointment. Bikers, even commuters, usually have less constraints on their time.


I'll quote my Dad here and say "If they had to be somewhere at a certain time, they should have left earlier." Poor planning on their part does not mean eating gravel on mine.



As far as multi lane roads go, if the driver cannot figure out that they can switch lanes and go around me, I would prefer they were not following me.

I would prefer that they never touch a motorized vehicle ever again if they cannot figure out how to pass safely.

I don't mean to be insulting, but these are some of the worst arguements I have ever heard. Maybe they will win backslaps on auto message boards, but not from experienced riders.

And if there isn't? I'm not hitting gravel at 20mph (not 10) just because the worlds angriest accountant can't properly pass another vehicle on the road. . . .
This is an important point. There are parts of my commute where I cruise at 25 mph, can cruise at 30 mph with effort, and can hit 35+ mph for short bursts.

geo8rge, a lot of us go faster than 10mph.

Also, the street that I take most of the way to work is pretty much only useful for going from my neighborhood (and closer) to downtown. I'd bet a lot of the commuters who use it could ride if they wanted to. If they don't want to get slowed down by me for 5-15 second, many of them could get on a bicycle themselves. There are also plenty of busses going to and from my neighborhood around rush hour. It's not my fault that car drivers have chosen such an inefficient way of getting to and from work.

You know, sometimes, no matter what your rights are, you just have to suck it up and apply common sense and common courtesy. A little of each goes a long, long way.

Wow interesting comment... considering that is all that cyclists are asking of motorists... the latter who have to expend no more effort than moving a foot an inch or two or moving a wrist and hand a couple of inches...

A little courtesy.

These people could do with a little crash course in why acting like you're some super-ballsy tough guy with a chip on his shoulder isn't such a great way to behave. Hoorah for e-thuggery.

Shock jocks, forums without etiquette rules, America's current love of in-your-face point-counterpoint garbage media, violence-worship, etcetera, can reduce grown men to acting like teenagers for life. Pretty sad, but oh well. I guess that's where we're headed.

These people could do with a little crash course in why acting like you're some super-ballsy tough guy with a chip on his shoulder isn't such a great way to behave. Hoorah for e-thuggery.

Shock jocks, forums without etiquette rules, America's current love of in-your-face point-counterpoint garbage media, violence-worship, etcetera, can reduce grown men to acting like teenagers for life. Pretty sad, but oh well. I guess that's where we're headed.
+1000

These people could do with a little crash course in why acting like you're some super-ballsy tough guy with a chip on his shoulder isn't such a great way to behave. Hoorah for e-thuggery.

Shock jocks, forums without etiquette rules, America's current love of in-your-face point-counterpoint garbage media, violence-worship, etcetera, can reduce grown men to acting like teenagers for life. Pretty sad, but oh well. I guess that's where we're headed.

also +1000.

There's nothing new about grown men in their 30's, 40's, and up, acting like schoolyard bullies. Unfortunately, the internet has given some of them a means to transmit their hate and bullying. (Terrorism, if you like)

As I mentioned before, if this blog is for real, then it's much deeper problem, and it involves many more groups than cyclists. One can only wonder just how deep the hate in this country goes.

Sort of off-topic: The present population of the united states is 301,565,356, according the U.S. census website. That's a lot isn't it? Not everyone has the same political beliefs, values, or likes and dislikes.
If someone such as "casey" cannot handle that and respect it, maybe such people should consider living in another country, where people are more tightly controlled, and told what they may have for values, likes and dislikes. Maybe that would be to their liking.

I would also say that people in cars often are rushing to work to make an appointment. Bikers, even commuters, usually have less constraints on their time.

Not true. Why would a person on a bike magically have fewer time constraints than a person in a car? I'm beginning to suspect that, in your heart, you don't believe that bicyclists are actually serious people with families and real jobs and all-too-real deadlines.

Getting back to the bike-hater forum, I was struck by the large number of times bicyclists were referred to as "****" and "*******," etc. As a carless, bike-riding ex-Army ranger who rides up and down big hills all day, I'd like to meet some of the people who post this stuff. My guess is that they're soft, overfed smokers who would die of a heart attack if you chased them with your U-lock for more than a few blocks. (Not that I would, mind you...)

Sort of off-topic: The present population of the united states is 301,565,356, according the U.S. census website. That's a lot isn't it? Not everyone has the same political beliefs, values, or likes and dislikes.
If someone such as "casey" cannot handle that and respect it, maybe such people should consider living in another country, where people are more tightly controlled, and told what they may have for values, likes and dislikes. Maybe that would be to their liking.
Actually, trackhub, I think this is very much on-topic. IMO, this website is yet another symptom of whatever illness it is that is causing so many Americans to be less pluralistic and tolerant of differences. I think it's at the core of why so many motorists just don't want to "share the road". They don't want to be tolerant of anyone they see as different from themselves. Some of them may express more malignant prejudices in the course of their everyday lives. For others, hating cyclists may be the only prejudice they "allow" themselves. Whatever the reasons, it affects us greatly, and sometimes even threatens our lives. That's a pretty darn relevant topic to me.

Getting back to the bike-hater forum, I was struck by the large number of times bicyclists were referred to as "****" and "*******," etc. As a carless, bike-riding ex-Army ranger who rides up and down big hills all day, I'd like to meet some of the people who post this stuff. My guess is that they're soft, overfed smokers who would die of a heart attack if you chased them with your U-lock for more than a few blocks. (Not that I would, mind you...)
I think it's very interesting that they seem to be transferring their intolerance of one group of people who deviate from a certain norm onto another group who deviate from an entirely different norm. It doesn't make me feel too good to think about how you spent time defending our constitution for a bunch of pluralism-hating jerks. (Thanks for doing that, BTW. :) )