shouldnt take much...try this....."hey joel, were doing ES, you in?"...i bet itll work.

shouldnt take much...try this....."hey joel, were doing ES, you in?"...i bet itll work.
I was thinking of "Hey, Joel, will you bring that cute, firm, spandex-covered behind of yours and plant it in front of me for those little itty bitty 200 miles in Eastern Sierra?" (bat, bat, bat - that would be my eyelashes), and if that doesn't work "Hey, Joel, if you don't ride Eastern Sierra, I'll be 200 miles closer to you on Bike Journals..." :p ;) :D

either way.....

I was thinking of "Hey, Joel, will you bring that cute, firm, spandex-covered behind of yours and plant it in front of me for those little itty bitty 200 miles in Eastern Sierra?" (bat, bat, bat - that would be my eyelashes), and if that doesn't work "Hey, Joel, if you don't ride Eastern Sierra, I'll be 200 miles closer to you on Bike Journals..." :p ;) :DIsn't that like 300 miles from here? I seriously don't know if I can take more time off of work. I may have tons of vacation time racked up, but that doesn't mean I can just leave whenever I want.

I'll think about it.

Isn't that like 300 miles from here? I seriously don't know if I can take more time off of work. I may have tons of vacation time racked up, but that doesn't mean I can just leave whenever I want.

I'll think about it.
:( I guess I'd better do more than just "sweet talk" him...:p

:( I guess I'd better do more than just "sweet talk" him...:p

maybe sweet talk his boss??? :p

i think he is the boss.....but i understand his predicament!!!

i think he is the boss.....but i understand his predicament!!!
me too...but I'm greedy and love having him on all rides. Come to think of it, I've ridden almost every Saturday with him this year (Stagecoach and Butterfield being the only two exceptions), so I'm spoiled. :o

i think he is the boss.....but i understand his predicament!!!

darn it!!! There goes that idea!!! I'll keep my fingers crossed :p

darn it!!! There goes that idea!!! I'll keep my fingers crossed :p
:) Thank you, Trac. I have my 10 fingers and 11 toes crossed as well. :p

Solvang Spring Double Century

"and headed out to climb Drum Canyon. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. What sadistic freak puts that at mile 175 of a double century? "

Brandy, just wait till you've done 98 miles and 11,000+feet of the Mulholland Challenge and start climbing Stunt Road. You will be cussing out Planet Ultra for sure. Then you still have two more climbs up Piuma and Cold Cyn. Very sadistic!

Be careful on the descents especially Deer Creek.
I'll see you there.
Jon

I was thinking of "Hey, Joel, will you bring that cute, firm, spandex-covered behind of yours and plant it in front of me for those little itty bitty 200 miles in Eastern Sierra?" (bat, bat, bat - that would be my eyelashes), and if that doesn't work "Hey, Joel, if you don't ride Eastern Sierra, I'll be 200 miles closer to you on Bike Journals..." :p ;) :D

Not that anyone is competitive about that sort of thing or anything.

Not that anyone is competitive about that sort of thing or anything.

Not at all...he and I tease each other....:D Okay, so I have to admit, I want to be somewhere near the man's miles! If I'm going to ride them anyway...:p

[/quote]Edited to add...you're not the first person to warn me about Deer Creek...I will definitely proceed with caution![/quote]

Beleave everything they say about Deer Creek. Last year was the first time I ever went down it, Mulholland Double. :eek: I'm a larger rider, 225#, and trying to keep the speed down was a problem. I would almost come to a complete stop, let go of the brakes, count to three and be going 30 mph. A couple of the corners look like them just hang over PCH, no shoulder. Have fun!

Oh Jon, I'm going to be cussing out Planet Ultra on Decker, which we drove up on our drive home on Sunday. Ouch.

Oh ya, I forgot about Decker that is a b!tch, just put it in first gear and take it easy on Decker. They have a rest stop 3/4 of the way up and I saw people literally shaking from exhaustion. Advice, make that stop extra short as you still have to climb out of there.

Oh Jon, I'm going to be cussing out Planet Ultra on Decker, which we drove up on our drive home on Sunday. Ouch. :eek: I'll see you there for sure!

Edited to add...you're not the first person to warn me about Deer Creek...I will definitely proceed with caution!

OMG!!!! I did Deer Creek for the first time last Saturday.
I totally FREAKED out, but then again I made the mistake of looking down towards the coast, and I totally lost it. I Stopped my bike and I seriously did not want to continue!
But I did proceed and there was just one more sharp corner, then I stopped AGAIN, and then it was done!
Certainly not my favorite descent! Tony promised me he would stay with me on the MC at least until I get down Deer Creek, thank goodness for that!
Looking forward to seeing you there Brandy!

OMG!!!! I did Deer Creek for the first time last Saturday.
I totally FREAKED out, but then again I made the mistake of looking down towards the coast, and I totally lost it. I Stopped my bike and I seriously did not want to continue!
But I did proceed and there was just one more sharp corner, then I stopped AGAIN, and then it was done!
Certainly not my favorite descent! Tony promised me he would stay with me on the MC at least until I get down Deer Creek, thank goodness for that!
Looking forward to seeing you there Brandy!

Maybe we should start a Mulholland thread?

Beleave everything they say about Deer Creek. Last year was the first time I ever went down it, Mulholland Double. :eek: I'm a larger rider, 225#, and trying to keep the speed down was a problem. I would almost come to a complete stop, let go of the brakes, count to three and be going 30 mph. A couple of the corners look like them just hang over PCH, no shoulder. Have fun![/QUOTE]


But there is a nice 10" curb :)

But there is a nice 10" curb :)

Oh, you're wrong about that! It's a 10" launch ramp!!!!:eek: And it looked more round 5"!!!

I think 195 with 8,800 ft of climbing - according to one garmin. But those can be wrong, so ????


I got 192.1 and 7201 feet of gain (Polar 625x)

I got 192.1 and 7201 feet of gain (Polar 625x)

The 195 had a couple wrong turns and backtracking, as well as the ride to and from the hotels we were staying at.

I got 192.1 and 7201 feet of gain (Polar 625x)

I got 192.4 and 7,300' of ascent with a polar S725X.

I got 192.1 and 7201 feet of gain (Polar 625x)

That's about what I got on my Garmin as well, according to the barometric altimeter. However when it uploads to Training Center or MotionBased, it uses the GPS altitude data which reported at a higher number. The elevation numbers for all the people who uploaded to motionbased are anywhere from 8k to 11k.

Wow! It amazes me how these Garmins give such different and conflicing readings on elevation gain. I've seen that on other rides as well where one person's says more elevation than another's. I just want an estimate to gauge how I'm doing. As for the 195 miles, yes, we took a couple of detours (along with other riders in the dark) and added our miles over from the hotel since we rode to and from for a total that day. It was 195.something as I recall. Still not 200 - not that I'm complaining. :D

Still not 200 - not that I'm complaining. :D



cheater.

That's about what I got on my Garmin as well, according to the barometric altimeter. However when it uploads to Training Center or MotionBased, it uses the GPS altitude data which reported at a higher number. The elevation numbers for all the people who uploaded to motionbased are anywhere from 8k to 11k.

Motionbased users either use the data from the Garmin, which is a combo of barometric and gps data if they have the 305, or the MB gravity service which determines elevation based on positional data. Mine is set to use the barometric/gps data, but each MB user can select which one to use. However, both MB and TC do a certain amount of smoothing of the data, which induces variation. The garmin 305s also recalibrate themselves using the gps data to account for changes in pressure, which we did see in Solvang.

From my Garmin, the high points on my route were Foxen at elevation 1559 and Drum at 1382, which upon reviewing the topographic data is reasonably accurate.

cheater.
:p I know, huh? :rolleyes: Funny thing is, I was actually bummed we had gone over 192 last Saturday. I wanted to be done after Drum Canyon!

The moon out on Drum Canyon - this picture does not do justice to the beauty there:
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p27/merider/Solvang%20Double/pic37.jpg


I think I was riding with you guys portions of the double. We were all taking a breather at the top of Drum Canyon ... I was the one who stopped about 500 feet from the top, and someone telling me "you're almost there" ... that's what I kept saying to myself. Wishful thinking ...

Then, on our way down, I heard someone say they wanted to stop and take a picture of the moon!

The downhill was rough, but not as bad as I thought it was going to be. There was one stretch at Palm Springs Century which was much worse.

I think I was riding with you guys portions of the double. We were all taking a breather at the top of Drum Canyon ... I was the one who stopped about 500 feet from the top, and someone telling me "you're almost there" ... that's what I kept saying to myself. Wishful thinking ...

Then, on our way down, I heard someone say they wanted to stop and take a picture of the moon!

The downhill was rough, but not as bad as I thought it was going to be. There was one stretch at Palm Springs Century which was much worse.

I was the one who yelled almost there, and as much as I'd like to say I was encouraging you, I was really saying that aloud for my own benefit! :p ;) I, too, stopped for a moment on Drum and took some sips of Mountain Dew and it was brutal clipping back in and taking off once more to get to the top. It hurt going up, but it was so gorgeous coming down off of it with that moon out like it was.

Congratulations again on your ride, Spingineer. :)

I think I was riding with you guys portions of the double. We were all taking a breather at the top of Drum Canyon ... I was the one who stopped about 500 feet from the top, and someone telling me "you're almost there" ... that's what I kept saying to myself. Wishful thinking ...

Then, on our way down, I heard someone say they wanted to stop and take a picture of the moon!

The downhill was rough, but not as bad as I thought it was going to be. There was one stretch at Palm Springs Century which was much worse.


you had a csc jersey, right? if so that was my heavy breathing, sweaty self!!!!

you had a csc jersey, right? if so that was my heavy breathing, sweaty self!!!!

Not sure if it was your heavy breathing or my heavy breathing. I'm embarrassed ... I did not do the CSC jersey justice.

hell man, you finished, right???!?!!??! you did yourself justice!!!! to hell with the jersey!!!!!!!!!

hell man, you finished, right???!?!!??! you did yourself justice!!!! to hell with the jersey!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, you're right. And I am proud that I did finish.

and that really is all that matters...

great job! was it your first one? it was mine!!! im still stoked!!

Yeah, you're right. And I am proud that I did finish.

You know, I'm sure the day is going to come when I'm going to DNF on a double due to some reason or the other. I thought that could happen last Saturday since I wasn't feeling well. Either way, the "attempt" is often forgotten once I've finished the ride. So, I think you should pat yourself on the back first for just being out there, and then for finishing. :)

Yeah, you're right. And I am proud that I did finish.

Congratulations to everyone that finished, none of these double are easy. I’ve DNF in the past, it was tough thing to do. Looking back on it, it was the right decision at the time. My hats off to the slower ride who struggle all day to finish, I’ve been back there, you should be very proud of your accomplishments. You had the tenacity to stick with it and persevere. Anyone who DNF’ed, at least you tried and maybe there was a learning curve there and next time you’ll come back and finish.

Congratulations to everyone that finished, none of these double are easy. I’ve DNF in the past, it was tough thing to do. Looking back on it, it was the right decision at the time. My hats off to the slower ride who struggle all day to finish, I’ve been back there, you should be very proud of your accomplishments. You had the tenacity to stick with it and persevere. Anyone who DNF’ed, at least you tried and maybe there was a learning curve there and next time you’ll come back and finish.

See, now when I hear from a rider like you (who has ridden many doubles and a triple) and from my friend, Francis, I realize I should just chill out and stop taking it all so seriously (and worrying about whether or not I'll finish). It takes a certain type of rider (someone who likes to suffer, maybe?) to even want to do these miles. I've DNF'd on less than 100! (recently, and dragged poor Joel with me) So, I'm happy to try and then finish - which is the goal, but not the only goal. I admire the riders who do the great times, though, I will admit and respect those who finished with impressive results. I wish to someday improve my time for sure, but I hope I never lose sight that these are just rides for my own sense of accomplishment and enjoyment (even through the nausea, fatigue, etc.). Again, it was really nice to meet you last Saturday, Dante. :)

and that really is all that matters...

great job! was it your first one? it was mine!!! im still stoked!!

Actually, it was my second. But it was my first in 8 years. Part of it was peer pressure though. One of my best friends is Lynn, the ultimate ADO hall of famers. In fact, I used to ride with Lynn, Clem, John way back when. I was actually able to ride with them back then.

So it was with great pride, when I reached the lunch stop, and yelled out to Lynn (who was working the lunch stop), I made it!
http://homepage.mac.com/ronng/.Pictures/Cycling/I%20Made%20It!.jpg

sweet!!!!!

Congratulations to everyone that finished, none of these double are easy. I’ve DNF in the past, it was tough thing to do. Looking back on it, it was the right decision at the time. My hats off to the slower ride who struggle all day to finish, I’ve been back there, you should be very proud of your accomplishments. You had the tenacity to stick with it and persevere. Anyone who DNF’ed, at least you tried and maybe there was a learning curve there and next time you’ll come back and finish.

I couldn't agree more. I got an email from one rider, who started about the same time I did (around 5 am). He missed a turn, and was following whoever was in front of him, not realizing they missed the turn. He didn't finished till 10:50 PM!!! And here I was worrying about if I could actually finish it. I commend him for keeping at it, and not quitting. I didn't feel good the first 100, and I was so close to DNF'ing it. But the pride in me took over, and decided to gut it out.

Actually, it was my second. But it was my first in 8 years. Part of it was peer pressure though. One of my best friends is Lynn, the ultimate ADO hall of famers. In fact, I used to ride with Lynn, Clem, John way back when. I was actually able to ride with them back then.

So it was with great pride, when I reached the lunch stop, and yelled out to Lynn (who was working the lunch stop), I made it!


I do remember you on Drum. :) By the way, I just met Clem, Ron and Roland of the ADO guys on Butterfield. That's the nicest group of men! I'm sure you're aware that Clem finished his 50th double on Saturday!

I do remember you on Drum. :) By the way, I just met Clem, Ron and Roland of the ADO guys on Butterfield. That's the nicest group of men! I'm sure you're aware that Clem finished his 50th double on Saturday!

I wasn't aware that it was Clem's 50th, but I know he has been doing them for awhile. Did you know he used to be mayor of Sierra Madre?

I wasn't aware that it was Clem's 50th, but I know he has been doing them for awhile. Did you know he used to be mayor of Sierra Madre?
No, I didn't, but I can see why. He was so nice to talk to and so encouraging at Butterfield when I was climbing in head winds! That is where and when I met him. His daughter, Renee, was out at Solvang riding with a friend as well. I don't know her personally (other than the couple of times I've seen her out riding), but whenever I mention her name, other riders who have met and ridden with her sing her praises as well. Nice people. :)

No, I didn't, but I can see why. He was so nice to talk to and so encouraging at Butterfield when I was climbing in head winds! That is where and when I met him. His daughter, Renee, was out at Solvang riding with a friend as well. I don't know her personally (other than the couple of times I've seen her out riding), but whenever I mention her name, other riders who have met and ridden with her sing her praises as well. Nice people. :)Clem just couldn't be any nicer, you're right. And Renee, I would love to have her in the harem, but she's a little too fast in the hills for me. Of course, so is Deb. I wanted them to ride together and they actually met on a ride once, but, as fate would have it, they didn't stay together before the climbs.

Clem just couldn't be any nicer, you're right. And Renee, I would love to have her in the harem, but she's a little too fast in the hills for me. Of course, so is Deb. I wanted them to ride together and they actually met on a ride once, but, as fate would have it, they didn't stay together before the climbs.
I can see her and Deb climbing together, as well as Renee's friend. Those ladies were all smiles on Saturday and it seemed they were just out for a ride (whereas I was covered with zinc and wilting). As far as your harem goes, I wish I could stay up with any of them, let alone Deb. I've got to get back to climbing. As soon as Hemet is done, I plan to go up Crystal Lake. I need the punishment. :o ;)

the other ladysname is keirin(i think i spelled that right...)

As soon as Hemet is done, I plan to go up Crystal Lake. I need the punishment. :o ;)

I think Hemet will be punishment enough. :p

I think Hemet will be punishment enough. :p
Luckily, Hemet is flat (which it is still 200 miles, but since climbing is my weakness, hearing it is flat sounds more soothing). Crystal Lake is beautiful but cruel. I bet I can convince a certain "Vertical" climber on here to take me up it in the next month...:D

Luckily, Hemet is flat

Yup, that's punishment enough. :D

Yup, that's punishment enough. :D
good point. :o