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there I was, cycling along in the bike lane... stupidly looking down at the road in front of me instead of up ahead of me... suddenly I look up and about five feet away is a guy riding the wrong way on the BL! AAAAAAAAH! I swerved, and cursed. he didn't blink an eye. had his ipod on. I've met this guy before going the wrong way, but I saw him way ahead of time. so far he's the most dangerous hazard along my route.:eek: (that and myself not looking ahead!)
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Did he look like this? ;)
(on Rural, me heading northbound)
Anyway, a good reminder to look ahead and keep aware of rear.
The only wrong way rider that caused me a last second concern was using a red blinkie in the front during full darkness. I saw them well in advance, but thought I had much more time to respond.
Another wrong way rider that cause a near problem had a fishing pole across his back. I saw him, but not the pole and nearly ran into the pole.
Al
Evil thoughts cross my mind when I run into those "Face Them" cyclists...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3_mgtyplDrE
Check out this baby and all.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3_mgtyplDrE
Check out this baby and all.
Thats what riding up College Ave on a late afternoon is like.
Hopefully the police enforcement (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=282602)on wrong way riding will have some effect.
Al
Thats what riding up College Ave on a late afternoon is like.
Hopefully the police enforcement (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=282602)on wrong way riding will have some effect.
Al
Hopefully +1
You see anyone get busted? I would be like whipping out my camera.
You should put a sign on your handle bars.
Something like
Your way is the wrong way.
Hopefully +1
You see anyone get busted? I would be like whipping out my camera.
You should put a sign on your handle bars.
Something like
Your way is the wrong way.
yes, but they would probably pass it off as a political sign...
You see anyone get busted? .
I don't ride much around the University (enforcement) area, unless running errands, maybe 1/wk.
When running errands I rarely have my video capture device with me.
Al
Try stopping and turning your bike sideways.
mine was along 13th st. near ASU... those students don't care which side they are on!:eek:
I would make the guy go around me by coming to a stop if necessary. I actually once did hit a wrong way guy. And I saw him well in advance.
I always see those guys when I'm on a good bike. Just for once I wish I'd be on my beater and I'd shout "Accelerate to ramming speed!"
If they are just riding along normally (that is without a fishing pole across their back or with a red blinkie in front) I could care less. I just treat them like passing a slower or stopped vehicle.
Al
Fewer bike lanes = fewer wrong way noobs in the street.
Fewer bike lanes = fewer wrong way noobs in the street.
+ 1
Keep the retards on the sidewalk where they belong
+ 1
Keep the retards on the sidewalk where they belong
Or spend the bike lane money on training.
Fewer bike lanes = fewer wrong way noobs in the street.
Debatable. I see them going the wrong way all the time when there is no bike lane. Many people either forget or don't know that they are required to go with not against traffic.
Debatable. I see them going the wrong way all the time when there is no bike lane. Many people either forget or don't know that they are required to go with not against traffic.
It's all about the wrong paradigm for wrong-way cyclists. Ride against traffic, so you can see what's coming.
Problem is, it doesn't matter which is better: riding against traffic, or riding with traffic. When cyclists are plentiful enough, if they aren't all going the same way...
:eek:
I yell "Wrong Way!" at them...not sure if it helps, but I definitely want them to know they're doing something wrong.
Or spend the bike lane money on training.
Yep, take the noobs' money and more from the public coffers too! Give it all to members of the Certified ONE WAY (Only) Club who can train all the "noobs" in mandatory classes of ONE WAY (Only)!
I wish the biggest hazard on my commute was another guy on a bike.
Seriously, I do.
A friend of mine encountered a wrong way skateboarder on the BL. He hand signaled to the skateboarder to move out of the BL. Why should the bicyclist have to leave the BL and move into the car lane to accomodate a wrong way skateboarder? The skateboarder insisted on taking the line closest to the curb. This created a tight squeeze in the BL as the two passed each other. My friend gave the skateboarder a good stiff arm, never looked back, and continued on his way. As my old friend Chick Hearn used to say, "No harm, no foul, no blood, no ambulance."
I have had 100's of near misses of a cyclist while I was driving. Just yesterday a girl on a beach cruiser, talking on her cell phone, riding the wrong way was nearly bug sqwat on my windshield. A higher power must have been looking out for her.
Fewer bike lanes = fewer wrong way noobs in the street.
You got that right.
Of course the MUP-Pups around here will start barking at you for that opinion.
I have had 100's of near misses of a cyclist while I was driving. Just yesterday a girl on a beach cruiser, talking on her cell phone, riding the wrong way was nearly bug sqwat on my windshield. A higher power must have been looking out for her.
Hundred's of near misses? Ya sure you are Mr. 100% A-OK motorist and everybody else is wrong?
there I was, cycling along in the bike lane... I look up and about five feet away is a guy riding the wrong way on the BL!... so far he's the most dangerous hazard along my route...
'Tis the season. Time for them to start showing up. One of the draw-backs of bike lanes. People think they can ride both ways in them (even though they're narrow).
Near miss? I've been hit by one (broken front wheel, fork, bent frame, damaged rear derailer, handlebar and brake lever) and dodged many, many more.
A friend of mine encountered a wrong way skateboarder on the BL. He hand signaled to the skateboarder to move out of the BL. Why should the bicyclist have to leave the BL and move into the car lane to accomodate a wrong way skateboarder? The skateboarder insisted on taking the line closest to the curb. This created a tight squeeze in the BL as the two passed each other. My friend gave the skateboarder a good stiff arm, never looked back, and continued on his way. As my old friend Chick Hearn used to say, "No harm, no foul, no blood, no ambulance."
Seriously, since when did a bike lane give cyclists the right to be the other jerks using the road? How hard is it to change lanes to pass a skateboarder? Since when is the traffic lane a "car lane?" [My answer: probably ever since the bike lane was striped.] Does your friend give stiff arms to cyclists using a narrow lane on the road while he's driving?
I could rant about this for days but really, it doesn't surprise me.
Seriously, since when did a bike lane give cyclists the right to be the other jerks using the road? How hard is it to change lanes to pass a skateboarder?
Without endorsing the stiff arm, wrong way cyclists and wrong way skateboarders are a hazard. If, as a "right way" cyclist I have swerve out around them, sometimes with too little advance warning to even shoulder check, because they come at you pretty fast, it puts me in danger. They can get the F out of my way, and they can damn well swerve out into traffic. At least they can see what they're going to hit!
Are we sure that the skateboarders are, in fact, "wrong way"? I've seen some regulations that say they must ride like bicycles, but I've seen others that seem to define them as pedestrians.
Without endorsing the stiff arm, wrong way cyclists and skateboarders are a hazard. If, as a "right way" cyclist I have swerve out around them, sometimes with too little advance warning to even shoulder check, because they come at you pretty fast, it puts me in danger. They can get the F out of my way, and they can damn well swerve out into traffic. At least they can see what they'ree going to hit!
I would hope that if confronted with the options of swerving into traffic, possibly colliding with a cyclist/skateboarder, or simply stopping, that any cyclist in their right mind would choose to stop. In none of the accounts of wrong way cyclists that I've read does the right way cyclist ever mention if there even was same direction traffic or how much time they had to negotiate a lane change/stop before reaching the wrong way rider. Somehow, it's more important to them to hold their ground in the bike lane than to make a reasonable decision and avoid any confrontation.
Unlit wrong way cyclists at night are a different story, and one more reason not to ride in the margins of the road unless you really need to.
Without endorsing the stiff arm, wrong way cyclists and wrong way skateboarders are a hazard. If, as a "right way" cyclist I have swerve out around them, sometimes with too little advance warning to even shoulder check, because they come at you pretty fast, it puts me in danger. They can get the F out of my way, and they can damn well swerve out into traffic. At least they can see what they're going to hit!My friend would agree with you. It is the wrong way skateboarder that is creating the hazard and endangering the bicyclist. The wrong way skateboarder should try swerve into the oncoming traffic and not the bicyclist.
I would hope that if confronted with the options of swerving into traffic, possibly colliding with a cyclist/skateboarder, or simply stopping, that any cyclist in their right mind would choose to stop. In none of the accounts of wrong way cyclists that I've read does the right way cyclist ever mention if there even was same direction traffic or how much time they had to negotiate a lane change/stop before reaching the wrong way rider. Somehow, it's more important to them to hold their ground in the bike lane than to make a reasonable decision and avoid any confrontation.
Unlit wrong way cyclists at night are a different story, and one more reason not to ride in the margins of the road unless you really need to.Why should an unlit wrong way cyclist deserve special treatment? Whether day or night, wrong way bicyclist or wrong way skateboarder, the operative word is "wrong way." The wrong way bicyclist or wrong way skateboarder should swerve into oncoming traffic or stop.
Does your friend give stiff arms to cyclists using a narrow lane on the road while he's driving?If my friend were driving a car, he would not stiff arm a bicyclist using a narrow lane on the road because the bicyclist is moving in the direction of the traffic, and not going the wrong way.
Why should an unlit wrong way cyclist deserve special treatment? Whether day or night, wrong way bicyclist or wrong way skateboarder, the operative word is "wrong way." The wrong way bicyclist or wrong way skateboarder should swerve into oncoming traffic or stop.
You can't always see an approaching unlit wrong way cyclist at night, which I why I called that a special case. In all the other cases highlighted, you should at least have some time after recognizing the wrong way rider (you are watching ahead of you, right?) to either negotiate a lane change (you are allowed to use the traffic lane after all, it's not a "car lane") or stop. For wrong way cyclists who are basically invisible, your best bet is to not be curb hugging all the time like they probably will be.
Yes, in an ideal world, the person doing something wrong should be the one to recognize their wrong doing and fix it. It'd be great if everybody did, but guess what? They probably won't, so if you don't want to collide with them you had better do something yourself. Being stubborn about holding your line is about the dumbest move you could take.
If my friend were driving a car, he would not stiff arm a bicyclist using a narrow lane on the road because the bicyclist is moving in the direction of the traffic, and not going the wrong way.
But in order to get around the cyclist, he may have to slow down and he'll definitely need to go into the oncoming traffic lane to pass. What's so different about going around this right way cyclist compared to the skateboarder? Or is he personally in charge of enforcing traffic law and anyone breaking a law is subject to his stiff arm?
Yes, in an ideal world, the person doing something wrong should be the one to recognize their wrong doing and fix it.My friend would agree with you.
What's so different about going around this right way cyclist compared to the skateboarder?The cyclist in this case is going in the right direction with the flow of traffic and not endangering the driver of the car. In the case of the wrong way skateboarder, he is going the wrong way against traffic and is creating a hazard for bicyclists traveling in the right direction in the BL. Knowing my friend, he would drive with due caution when it comes to the bicyclist. Yes, I am afraid the wrong way skateboarder would get a stiff arm.
in this case had I seen him way ahead of time, I may have gone to the right and let him pass on my left.... but as it was I briefly swerved out into the traffic lane and then back in again. there was no traffic behind me.
in this case had I seen him way ahead of time, I may have gone to the right and let him pass on my left.... but as it was I briefly swerved out into the traffic lane and then back in again. there was no traffic behind me.In the case of the wrong way skateboarder, my friend did indeed try to go to the right in the BL. The wrong way skateboarder insisted on hugging the curb as they passed. This created the close encounter, that resulted in the wrong way skateboarder receiving the stiff arm.
The cyclist in this case is going in the right direction with the flow of traffic and not endangering the driver of the car. In the case of the wrong way skateboarder, he is going the wrong way against traffic and is creating a hazard for bicyclists traveling in the right direction in the BL. Knowing my friend, he would drive with due caution when it comes to the bicyclist. Yes, I am afraid the wrong way skateboarder would get a stiff arm.
Take away the bike lane stripe. While cycling, how would you handle a skateboarder/runner/dog walker moving along the outside edge of the roadway?
I posted this back in 2004 and I wish I could print it out and hand it to people, unfortunately wrong ways are usually not smart enough to understand it anyway.
http://img160.exs.cx/img160/4783/Ridewithtraffic1.jpg
You do the math
I posted this back in 2004 and I wish I could print it out and hand it to people, unfortunately wrong ways are usually not smart enough to understand it anyway.
I suppose you think you can just waltz in after what? a year away? and act like nothing happened? Where ya bin?
Being stubborn about holding your line is about the dumbest move you could take.
Well, if you move left and they do to (ie. to the right, from their perspective) it could be nastly. I do hold my line (or actually move a bit towards the curb) and ring my bell, and I figure they know they're the interloper and should get out of the way, or at least that opposing traffic generally passes on the right. If I see them moving to the curb too, I stop and usually cuss em as they pass.
wrong ways are usually not smart enough to understand it anyway.
Raiyn, I think some of the wrong-way cyclists do appreciate the impact of a head on. That's why they move to their left, crowd the curb, and hope the right-way cyclist will move into traffic. Yet as right-wayers, we think they are in the wrong and that they should go around us. So we both end up edging towards the curb as we approach, each hoping the other will take the hint.
Take away the bike lane stripe. While cycling, how would you handle a skateboarder/runner/dog walker moving along the outside edge of the roadway?Take away the BL stripe and if he encountered a skateboarder next to the curb, moving with the flow of traffic, my friend would wait until it was safe, then pass the skateboarder. However, if he encountered a wrong way skateboarder next to the curb, not moving with the flow of traffic, my friend would go with the stiff arm as before.
yeah I love that little dance where you try to decide who's gonna move where. in this case there was no time, I don't think either one of us was paying enough attention.
yeah I love that little dance where you try to decide who's gonna move where. in this case there was no time, I don't think either one of us was paying enough attention.Not even enough time for a stiff arm, huh?:(
Take away the BL stripe and if he encountered a skateboarder next to the curb, moving with the flow of traffic, my friend would wait until it was safe, then pass the skateboarder. However, if he encountered a wrong way skateboarder next to the curb, not moving with the flow of traffic, my friend would go with the stiff arm as before.
What is a right way skateboarder anyway? Most states don't have laws specifically for skateboarders. I've encountered them going either direction and had no trouble passing them, then again I'm not hugging the curb, nor deathly afraid of moving further left into traffic that may or may not be there (yet oddly enough, I'd never stiff arm a random person for fear of what might happen afterwards). What about the runner or dog walker who's supposed to go against traffic? What's keeping this friend from moving away from the curb anyway? Is he riding in constant impenetrable traffic?
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