Touring - Dirtrag article-Do it Yourself Bike Touring

Bikeforums.net is a forum about nothing but bikes. Our community can help you find information about hard-to-find and localized information like bicycle tours, specialties like where in your area to have your recumbent bike serviced, or what are the best bicycle tires and seats for the activities you use your bike for.




Robert_in_ca
04-06-07, 02:19 AM
Nick Lubecki isn't someone you know, but his attitude towards long distance riding is one you should know. He's pedaled around the United States and Canada using equipment most enthusiasts would balk at. He finds his food in dumpsters and along the road, tossing it and anything else he might find in a basket strapped to his rear rack.

No matter that his way is unconventional, his nature reserved or his appearance slightly disheveled—Nick's advice is founded on first-hand experience and his story is pure inspiration. –Ed.

http://www.dirtragmag.com/images/127DIY300x166.jpg

http://www.dirtragmag.com/print/article.php?ID=859&category=features

Pretty good read.


Lolly Pop
04-06-07, 07:10 AM
Great article! thanks for posting it.

SkyPilot
04-06-07, 09:48 AM
That's great! Really quite inspiring to those of us with zero money and the need to travel. Cheers for posting!


QuantumTurkey
04-06-07, 10:28 AM
Everyone should read this...Now I think I'm off to the goodwill.

Trek Al
04-09-07, 01:46 PM
If I have to eat out of dumpsters, I'll just stay home.

Al

Bacciagalupe
04-10-07, 08:30 AM
If I have to eat out of dumpsters, I'll just stay home.
+1

I'm all for frugality and the "go for it" attitude. I'm even partial to the "recycling" ethos applied to touring bikes and equipment. But what can I say, I think you need to change your underwear more than "every couple of days" when on tour. And really, it will not kill you to spring $5 for lunch when you're on a 400-mile ride.

Is this from "Dirt Rag" Magazine or from "Dirt Bag" Magazine ? :D

Riderfan_lee
04-10-07, 10:54 AM
+1

I'm all for frugality and the "go for it" attitude. I'm even partial to the "recycling" ethos applied to touring bikes and equipment. But what can I say, I think you need to change your underwear more than "every couple of days" when on tour. And really, it will not kill you to spring $5 for lunch when you're on a 400-mile ride.

Is this from "Dirt Rag" Magazine or from "Dirt Bag" Magazine ? :D

I think for some people, it is the challenge of it that gets them going. You can ask how long can you go without buying anything and then challenge yourself. Travelling cheap allows for a lot more travelling. One can travel for a lot longer on $10/day than $100/day. But it isn't for everyone. I think on my tour this summer, I averaged about $20/day but that included National park fees which were outrageous and a hotel while getting stuck in the middle of Edmonton as a thunderstorm approached.

I will say that I have never tried dumpster diving but, if timed right, is just fine and the food is plentiful. Donuts would be a great touring food.

The Figment
04-10-07, 11:46 AM
+1

I'm all for frugality and the "go for it" attitude. I'm even partial to the "recycling" ethos applied to touring bikes and equipment. But what can I say, I think you need to change your underwear more than "every couple of days" when on tour. And really, it will not kill you to spring $5 for lunch when you're on a 400-mile ride.

Is this from "Dirt Rag" Magazine or from "Dirt Bag" Magazine ? :D
Its easy to to tour when one has all the cash that one would need, but where's the "adventure" in that? I find it much more of a challange,have a much better expirence meeting the locals,and get feel of an area when I'm "Dirtbaggin" it. this does not mean to be a rollin begger,but anyone can get on a bike and just ride! For me touring would be no more fun than taking a car across country if I wasnt able to interact with the folk I meet as I go along.Half the fun is to see what I can Find,Not to just be a "Tourist" if I wanted to do that I would just go to Orlando! Even if I could "Credit Card" tour I would more than likely leave my Plastic at home!

Shemp
04-10-07, 11:59 AM
+1

I'm all for frugality and the "go for it" attitude. I'm even partial to the "recycling" ethos applied to touring bikes and equipment. But what can I say, I think you need to change your underwear more than "every couple of days" when on tour. And really, it will not kill you to spring $5 for lunch when you're on a 400-mile ride.

Is this from "Dirt Rag" Magazine or from "Dirt Bag" Magazine ? :D

+me too.

Hey Tony, toss those sausage pizzas in the dumpster, people are calling us complaining of getting sick!

Eric, toss the veggies in the dumpster, they're in the E. Coli recall!

Shiznaz
04-10-07, 12:06 PM
I have friends like this and they are great. Such dirty dirty hippies, but great anyways! Always good stories involving minor police disturbances and crunchy granola. This kind of method wouldn't really work for remote long distance touring, unless you really stocked up on rancid food and discarded clothing.

GTcommuter
04-10-07, 12:36 PM
I'm not quite in line with this type of provisioning, but I was glad to see Dirt Rag publish a touring article. They're one of the most consistently interesting magazines, though I'm not much of a mountain biker. If they published a whole touring issue it would be a real treat.

The Figment
04-10-07, 01:39 PM
+me too.

Hey Tony, toss those sausage pizzas in the dumpster, people are calling us complaining of getting sick!

Eric, toss the veggies in the dumpster, they're in the E. Coli recall!


I have friends like this and they are great. Such dirty dirty hippies, but great anyways! Always good stories involving minor police disturbances and crunchy granola. This kind of method wouldn't really work for remote long distance touring, unless you really stocked up on rancid food and discarded clothing.
Oh come on! please! not all who are "Dirtbaggin" it are eating rancid food or are wearing discarded clothing.I will speak for my self,I ride a two year old REI Noavarra Bomanza Mtb with Sun Ryno Lites.Schwalbe Marathons,,Pull a BoB,carry a Mt Hardwear three man three season tent,MSR Dragonfly stove,Kelty Lightyear +20 down sleeping bag,have a Sony Viao Lappy,Kodak 7.1 Megapixel digatal camera,lots of Colombia clothing and so on! just because some "work" our way along doesnt mean we are incompentent at what we do!! Geez I hate stereotypes!!! look at some of the pics on Crazyguyonbike...and then judge them by their looks and lifestyle alone!

My apoliges for the minor rant...I get this kind of 'tude all the time when I tour...people have this tendancy to judge one by their looks (of course your gonna get kinda grubby runnin around the country on a bike for three months) they dont see that the equepment I carry and ride cost more than the pice of junk they are driving!

Shiznaz
04-10-07, 02:43 PM
I have nothing but respect for my dirty hippie friends. They really are dirty hippies and very proud of it. They KNOW they smell bad and wear ponchos. They are cool with this and have made their lifestyle choices.

Figment, what you are describing is just a regular cycle tourist. You definitely do not come even close to what the writer of this article is describing. I wouldn't let passing motorists perception of me bother me really. Maybe spend less on electronics and more on food and clothing? Bathe and wash your clothes more? I don't see how people assume you are homeless or something compared to this guy riding around in clothing he found in the ditch with nothing but a milk crate and stale donuts on the bike.

Cyclesafe
04-10-07, 03:07 PM
Skuzbags mooching, hitting up, scoring upon, and otherwise preying upon the charitible proclivities of the locals should be shunned by the bicycle touring community. The latter tend to be better educated adults who keep clean, well fed, and otherwise take responsibility for themselves. The skuzbags tend to be uneducated children, who are filthy, dumpster-diving, hobos that will likely end up on the public dole after contracting hepatitis or frying their brains on meth. The skuzbags will ruin touring for us all once the locals stop being hospitable.

Bacciagalupe
04-10-07, 03:59 PM
Erm... I really do not see how spending $10 a day on food would "prevent" you from chatting up the locals.

Nor do I personally enjoy the challenges of scrounging in dumpsters for food or determining if the pizza in the trash is 1 day old or 2 days old. The idea of doing a cycle tour without changing your underwear for several days in a row is not just downright gross, it's unhygenic and for almost anyone, bound to cause, well, let's just say "issues." ;)

So where is the challenge and the fun, you might ask? (As though acting like you are below the poverty line is the most valid form of "challenge" and optimal "fun"....) The challenge is physical and mental (e.g. "ride 60+ miles, over hill and dale, day after day"), environmental ("35 miles in the rain, anyone?") and logistical ("how the heck do I get from here to there?"). The fun is traveling with a minimal environmental impact, fast enough to really get somewhere, yet at a slow enough pace and without a glass-and-metal container so that you can really enjoy your surroundings, go off the beaten path at any time, talk to the locals, and really get a feel for a place.

Given the choice between spending 1 month as a thrifty cycle-tourist or 2 months living like a homeless person on a bike, without a moment's hesitation I'll take the former kthx. :D

Riderfan_lee
04-10-07, 04:45 PM
Skuzbags mooching, hitting up, scoring upon, and otherwise preying upon the charitible proclivities of the locals should be shunned by the bicycle touring community. The latter tend to be better educated adults who keep clean, well fed, and otherwise take responsibility for themselves. The skuzbags tend to be uneducated children, who are filthy, dumpster-diving, hobos that will likely end up on the public dole after contracting hepatitis or frying their brains on meth. The skuzbags will ruin touring for us all once the locals stop being hospitable.

Ummm, tell us how you really feel...........


Is it really stealing, mooching or whatever you want to call it or just reducing waste? It really is harmless and to generalize these people as 'kids who are going to contract hepatitis or getting hooked on meth' is ridiculous. I would not completely wipe out the possibility of dumpster diving while on tour. If there is free stuff and it is just going to go to waste and it is properly bagged, why not?

BTW, I am an M.Sc. student in the science field who is well onto moving onto a reputable PhD program abroad.......I guess we're not all meth heads, hobos and hep C carriers, eh?

Wow, some people.

Riderfan_lee
04-10-07, 04:50 PM
Erm... I really do not see how spending $10 a day on food would "prevent" you from chatting up the locals.

Nor do I personally enjoy the challenges of scrounging in dumpsters for food or determining if the pizza in the trash is 1 day old or 2 days old. The idea of doing a cycle tour without changing your underwear for several days in a row is not just downright gross, it's unhygenic and for almost anyone, bound to cause, well, let's just say "issues." ;)

So where is the challenge and the fun, you might ask? (As though acting like you are below the poverty line is the most valid form of "challenge" and optimal "fun"....) The challenge is physical and mental (e.g. "ride 60+ miles, over hill and dale, day after day"), environmental ("35 miles in the rain, anyone?") and logistical ("how the heck do I get from here to there?"). The fun is traveling with a minimal environmental impact, fast enough to really get somewhere, yet at a slow enough pace and without a glass-and-metal container so that you can really enjoy your surroundings, go off the beaten path at any time, talk to the locals, and really get a feel for a place.

Given the choice between spending 1 month as a thrifty cycle-tourist or 2 months living like a homeless person on a bike, without a moment's hesitation I'll take the former kthx. :D


That is the beautiful thing about touring. Like travelling in general, there are so many combinations and levels that people can approach touring. It can be for performance, sightseeing, endurance, culture, budget travel, culinary experience, or just plain getting out and enjoying everything. There is no firm equation on optimal touring experience. It is different for everyone. But the general theme is getting somewhere on a bike under your own power and to have fun. I think, whether you are dumpster diving and sleeping in ditches or staying in five-star hotels along the way, it is the mode of transport that brings all these styles together.

As long as you are getting somewhere and getting out biking, does it really matter how you go about doing it as long as you are happy?

MNBikeguy
04-10-07, 05:18 PM
Part of the touring appeal is that "vagabond" experience of accepting what comes your way, armed with the tools, gear and experience to make it happen. "Dumpster diving" is not included in that category. If you can't afford a few bucks to buy some food, stay home. Great way to get sick.
That said, companies spend millions of dollars trying to convince us that we MUST have the latest, greatest bike ,gizmo, or whatever. You can tour on equipment costing very little money. I liked that part of the article.

Riderfan_lee
04-10-07, 05:35 PM
Part of the touring appeal is that "vagabond" experience of accepting what comes your way, armed with the tools, gear and experience to make it happen. "Dumpster diving" is not included in that category. If you can't afford a few bucks to buy some food, stay home. Great way to get sick.
That said, companies spend millions of dollars trying to convince us that we MUST have the latest, greatest bike ,gizmo, or whatever. You can tour on equipment costing very little money. I liked that part of the article.

Maybe to you it isn't part of the experience, but for some people it might be. Like I said in a previous post, different strokes for different folks. Maybe one could afford the few bucks for food but don't mind grabbing things out of dumpsters. If you know it is fresh and properly bagged up, seperate from the rest of the garbage, why not?

The Figment
04-10-07, 06:55 PM
Skuzbags mooching, hitting up, scoring upon, and otherwise preying upon the charitible proclivities of the locals should be shunned by the bicycle touring community. The latter tend to be better educated adults who keep clean, well fed, and otherwise take responsibility for themselves. The skuzbags tend to be uneducated children, who are filthy, dumpster-diving, hobos that will likely end up on the public dole after contracting hepatitis or frying their brains on meth. The skuzbags will ruin touring for us all once the locals stop being hospitable.
And as I said in my last post...This is the kinda crap I hear all the time.mabey its because of some real dirtbags on bikes,I dont know. And Dude,Shove The "Tude

robmcl
04-10-07, 07:05 PM
+me too.

Hey Tony, toss those sausage pizzas in the dumpster, people are calling us complaining of getting sick!

Eric, toss the veggies in the dumpster, they're in the E. Coli recall!


+ Count me out on the dumpster diving too.

But to each their own.

Losligato
04-10-07, 09:59 PM
It is remarkable how many of us readily accept (nay, even celebrate) those who have done downright loathsome things to earn the cash to make their dreams come true. Yet when faced with someone who had the honesty to admit he skipped over the earning and pedaled right into the dream, we criticize.

Momentum
04-11-07, 04:33 AM
Very good point - I think it's admirable that this guy is doing something that we all enjoy despite having minimal cash. The points he makes about equippment are all very valid too.

squeakywheel
04-11-07, 07:42 AM
I really enjoyed that article. Very inspirational.

No immediate plans to forgo a grocery store acquired meal for the dumpster. I will file the food scavenging knowledge away for a future time. I expect at some point in my lifetime captains of industry like Cyclesafe will send my job oversees to save a buck. At that time, us disenfranchised masses can form rioting hordes and surround his limo at every outing he undertakes. He won't be able to travel by bike for fear of dirtbags like me hijacking his $3000 machine.

Bacciagalupe
04-11-07, 10:31 AM
Very good point - I think it's admirable that this guy is doing something that we all enjoy despite having minimal cash. The points he makes about equippment are all very valid too.
I don't have a problem with "minimal cash" or in using old bikes.

I do have a problem with encouraging people to, rather specifically: rummage through garbage for food, let alone eat fatty and unhealthy food on tour; and not change your underwear for several days running.

It's unhealthy, unsanitary, unwise, unnecessary, and makes cycle tourists look bad.

I don't think there is anything "admirable" about a college-educated tourist who cannot be bothered to work for an extra month or two, to earn enough money to actually buy food whilst traveling.



It is remarkable how many of us readily accept (nay, even celebrate) those who have done downright loathsome things to earn the cash to make their dreams come true. Yet when faced with someone who had the honesty to admit he skipped over the earning and pedaled right into the dream, we criticize.
What do you define as "downright loathsome?"

I would not, under any circumstances, laud someone who sold heroin, mugged old ladies or embezzled corporate funds in order to raise the cash to tour. While you personally may prefer to stay on the road rather than tour, I see nothing "downright loathsome" about earning an honest living, nor is merely "working at a job I dislike" a "loathsome" thing.

Nor do I have a problem with someone who skips the "years of hard work," and does the "months of hard work" route. To the best of my knowledge, he isn't leaving a family behind or ditching existing responsibilities.

My objection is pretty specific: I just think it's pathetic that a man with a college degree can't keep it together long enough to work that extra month or so, long enough so that he can actually, y'know, buy food instead of eating garbage and roadkill.

jaypee
04-11-07, 10:55 AM
...
It's unhealthy, unsanitary, unwise, unnecessary, and makes cycle tourists look bad.
...
I don't think there is anything "admirable" about a college-educated tourist who cannot be bothered to work for an extra month or two, to earn enough money to actually buy food whilst traveling.
...
My objection is pretty specific: I just think it's pathetic that a man with a college degree can't keep it together long enough to work that extra month or so, long enough so that he can actually, y'know, buy food instead of eating garbage and roadkill.

Wow, I mean, wow. Seems to me you're making yourself look bad all by yourself.

[edit]

The thing I love most about this sort of thing is that Nick Lubecki's phillosophy regarding bicycle touring flies in the face of everything many people believe. You don't need the best gear, the best food, the best bike. All you need is the will and an adventurous spirit.

And seriously, "Dirt Bag" magazine? What do you read? "Elitist Cycling Plutocrat" Magazine? ;)

Shiznaz
04-11-07, 12:05 PM
Good for the author for actually doing this, but I don't think people should go out and do this kind of thing because of what they read in dirtrag. This kind of lifestyle basically requires you be taught by someone. Just telling someone they can go out and tour with nothing but a milkcrate, relying on food found in the trash for nutrition, could lead to some very bad situations. Just like people at this forum don't reccomend doing an around the world tour as your first tour. There is nothing to say you can't do it, its just there is so much possibility for stuff to go wrong when you are that inexperienced. What the author describes is even more up in the air. Doing what he reccomends could make you ill and put you in some VERY uncomfortable situations with no safety net. I think he kind of glosses over this aspect. Did this guy never get a flat? What happens if you are 2-3 days between towns and you can't find food? What if there is a thunderstorm? What if due to your uncleanliness you get a really cantankerous saddle sore? What happens when you really do need help but nobody will help you because you look like you are homeless (sad but true). I feel he should have talked more about the biking aspect, and less about the parts he ripped off from 'Steal This Book'

andypants
04-11-07, 12:13 PM
I'm pretty sure he does not rely solely on "hand-outs" from locals. The guy says he spends as little as he can. I mean, he obviously has an apartment judging by the photo, but what's wrong with cutting corners wherever one is comfortable. If you're not into eating bagels cooked 8 hours prior our of a bag full of them, that's normal. Don't crap on someone's fun time because you have the time now that you're retired or earned your living, etc.

betanzos
04-11-07, 03:18 PM
I'd bet 3/4 of the food in our fridges is older than the food found in most dumpsters. Granted if the weather is warm, foods like dairy and meat/proteins tend to go bad faster. But staple carbs tend to hold their own much better. The only danger in eating from dumpsters is not being able to recognize rotten food. ...And the police.

robmcl
04-11-07, 03:45 PM
The only danger in eating from dumpsters is not being able to recognize rotten food. ...And the police.

....and rodent poop.

!!Comatoa$ted
04-11-07, 04:00 PM
Here is an intersting link (http://freegan.info/) on the freegan lifestyle.

betanzos
04-13-07, 02:50 PM
Out of curiosity does anybody have figures on how much they spend on food during a tour. It would obviously differ with tour length, but even a ballpark idea would be interesting to consider.

Riderfan_lee
04-13-07, 04:21 PM
Out of curiosity does anybody have figures on how much they spend on food during a tour. It would obviously differ with tour length, but even a ballpark idea would be interesting to consider.

I usually spend between $10- $15 per day for food. I usually have cravings for fresh fruit on tour and sometimes, it isn't all that cheap, especially when you have a touring appetite.

Niles H.
04-14-07, 01:17 PM
After trying this myself, I can't help feeling that there are better ways of eating and living.

***
There is also an audio interview with Lubecki, http://www.dirtragmag.com/videos/nickweb.mov

If that isn't inspiring, what is?

n4zou
04-15-07, 10:09 AM
Around here all the dumpsters behind the food joints are contained in a locked shed. A motorized rollup door allows access for the garbage truck to empty it. The driver has a wireless "clicker" to open and close it without getting out of the truck. There's no way anyone is going to eat out of a dumpster here. Personally, I would not do that anyway.

All my bikes are purchased from yard sales, thrift stores, or given to me. I find new, never worn cycling clothing in thrift stores with tags still on them for $2. Almost all of it was last year's style. I could care less what the "Fashion Police" have to say about it. I also fabricate panniers from backpacks or surplus military equipment bags. Here is my loaded touring bike with three gasmask bags made into panniers and a PVC plumbing pipe frame holding a backpack to the rear rack.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r154/n4zou/loaded.jpg
That bike cost $5 at a thrift store and I spent about $100 for a new rear rim/spokes, racks, and tires.