Advocacy & Safety - honking at light?

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Just wondering what everyone else does?
Im sitting at a light with two lanes, not usually crowded, both go straight with the right lane also be a turn lane.
Many times Im sitting there and waiting when a car pulls behind me and wants to turn right? Since you can legally turn right on red he blares his horn tring to get me to get out of his way so he can turn right.
I suppose I can get off my bike and move into the left lane to allow him to turn right but I just dont plain feel like it plus if I was in a car he'd have to wait anyway? So usually, I just let him use his horn until the light turns green.
What do other people do?
kritter
04-08-07, 10:42 PM
I usually have the courtesy to hug the curb so cars can still turn.
Are you waiting to turn right or go straight? If you're waiting to turn right & it is clear & safe then why not turn right yourself? Is it the same ******* who does this every time or every driver that wants to turn right at this intersection on red?
If you are waiting to go straight then the driver behind you has to legally wait for you to move because you are a legal vehicle of the roadway obeying a traffic device.
This leaves me to wonder if this asshat honks at other motorists because he wants to turn right on red, or just reserve his acting like a jackass for cyclists?
If I am going straight, not turning right, I never move left, but take the lane preventing motorists from moving up beside me on both the left or right side. I do this no matter how much honking a JAM or cager behind me does who wants to turn right. As far as I'm concerned they can flucking wait!
I usually have the courtesy to hug the curb so cars can still turn.
So you're setting yourself up for a right hook then? Not a smart thing to do. Take the lane, you have a legal right to it. They can wait behind you. It is not a matter of courtesy, it is a legal right, exercise it or motorists will act like they can "drive" all over us, hell they already do. Why give them more fodder to continue to do so?
greeniceghetto
04-08-07, 10:52 PM
In that situation I take the right lane, but stay in the left part of it. If the lane is wide enough and someone comes up behind me wanting to turn right, I'll move farther left and wave them up to let them make their turn beside me.
I generally wait in the intersection, look back and check to see whether the motorist is signalling right. If I happen to be blocking the lane, i move to the left. However, I am usually to the left side of the lane in these situations.
If the motorist is too lazy to put on their right turn signal too bad for them - learn to flick your finger. Otherwise - it's not in my interest to be in your way.
As the light turns to green (I monitor what's going on for the opposing light) - I move to the centre - never to the right (that's just asking for trouble) - and move through the intersection such that I am to the right of the lane by the time I'm through.
That being said - there's no call for anyone to honk at you unless you happen to be blocking a right turn only lane, and you are not turning right.
Don't know about Toronto, but in the U.S. in most if not all communities it is against the law for 2 vehicle to share a lane, especially at a stop, where both vehicles are completely in the lane, not straddling the center line, with out a safe distance between the 2.
What this means is a motorist is not to pull up on the left or the right of a cyclist, even if the cyclist is to the right or left side of the lane. Unfortunatly most drivers are to damn stupid to know this, or just plain don't care & do it anyway. Cyclists have to protect ourselves by riding defensivly. Taking the lane & preventing a driver from pulling next to you is really the only way to do this.
greeniceghetto
04-08-07, 11:17 PM
Don't know about Toronto, but in the U.S. in most if not all communities it is against the law for 2 vehicle to share a lane, especially at a stop, where both vehicles are completely in the lane, not straddling the center line, with out a safe distance between the 2.
What this means is a motorist is not to pull up on the left or the right of a cyclist, even if the cyclist is to the right or left side of the lane. Unfortunatly most drivers are to damn stupid to know this, or just plain don't care & do it anyway. Cyclists have to protect ourselves by riding defensivly. Taking the lane & preventing a driver from pulling next to you is really the only way to do this.
While true, I believe sitting in the lane and then waving up the motorist sufficiently controls the lane and situation and may even pass on some goodwill to the motorist. A similar example from driving experience - although it's technically illegal to do so around here, it's common for a motorist to move to the shoulder before turning right (not at a stop or light) to allow motorists behind them to maintain their speed in the lane.
bike2math
04-09-07, 04:24 AM
If I see that the car behind me has their blinker on I will pull to the left of the lane and into the crosswalk, this usually gives them room, and I turn and wave them by. A couple of times before I have a chance to do all of this the driver honks. At which point I plant my foot firmly and don't move. Also a few times even though I've left the motorist a car a half's width they don't seem to think there is room and they won't pull by.
filtersweep
04-09-07, 04:33 AM
yeah- but if i were a car, "he" would have to wait... i take the lane.
I generally wait in the intersection, look back and check to see whether the motorist is signalling right. If I happen to be blocking the lane, i move to the left. However, I am usually to the left side of the lane in these situations.
I generally do the same thing. It allows you to reclaim the lane easily, but not be a pest to those turning right.
Sitting in the lane blocking traffic unnecessarily is really kind of rude. I would think this would be a great chance to piss people off if that's your goal.
Az
In that situation I take the right lane, but stay in the left part of it. If the lane is wide enough and someone comes up behind me wanting to turn right, I'll move farther left and wave them up to let them make their turn beside me.
Its a shame more people (on both sides) don't display courtesy, civility and a willingness to work together.
If it's a wide lane, I'll get into the left third of the lane, and make room for the right-turner to go by on my right. I'll turn around and motion them through. But only if it's safe!
Just wondering what everyone else does?
Im sitting at a light with two lanes, not usually crowded, both go straight with the right lane also be a turn lane.
Many times Im sitting there and waiting when a car pulls behind me and wants to turn right? Since you can legally turn right on red he blares his horn tring to get me to get out of his way so he can turn right.
I suppose I can get off my bike and move into the left lane to allow him to turn right but I just dont plain feel like it plus if I was in a car he'd have to wait anyway? So usually, I just let him use his horn until the light turns green.
What do other people do?
joejack951
04-09-07, 06:09 AM
Don't know about Toronto, but in the U.S. in most if not all communities it is against the law for 2 vehicle to share a lane, especially at a stop, where both vehicles are completely in the lane, not straddling the center line, with out a safe distance between the 2.
How far apart do two barely moving vehicles need to be for it to be considered a safe distance?
In the situation that the OP describes, I'd probably start out in the middle of the lane out of principle (illegal to turn right on red there supposedly). If someone threw a hissy fit and seemed aggressive, I'd probably move over to the left and let them go. Moving towards the curb would put you in a bad spot once the light turns green because you don't know where the second car is going. If they are turning right and don't know you are going straight, it could get ugly.
galen_52657
04-09-07, 07:02 AM
I usually have the courtesy to hug the curb so cars can still turn.
Not smart. Good way to get right-hooked when the light turns green.
If I am going strait from the right lane at a light where right-turn-on-red is permitted but there is not a dedicated right turn lane, I position myself in the left tire track at the stop marker which leaves enough room for a car to turn right on my right side.
I usually have the courtesy to hug the curb so cars can still turn.
I usually have the courtesy to be in the far left side of such lanes, so motorists can go right, while I can still go straight. This also indicates that I have no intention of going right.
Mel_bikes
04-09-07, 07:09 AM
I have tried the pulling to the right curb on my commute. I have had to wait for 5 cars to trun right before I can proceed straight. I am done with that. I just take the lane and the cars wait. Although I have never had anyone upset enough to honk about this practice.
I generally do the same thing. It allows you to reclaim the lane easily, but not be a pest to those turning right.
Sitting in the lane blocking traffic unnecessarily is really kind of rude. I would think this would be a great chance to piss people off if that's your goal.
Az
How is sitting in a lane at a red light, with you waiting to go straight, and a car behind you waiting to turn right doing so unnecessarily? You are there first at the red light & by stopping & waiting you are obeying a traffic control device. For yor own safety & because it is illegal for 2 vehicles to share the same lane unless both can safely fit in the entire lane you take the lane to prevent this & protect yourself. So why/how is that unnecessary? If a cyclist sat there after the light turned green to piss off the motorist because he or she honkd their horn is unnecessary, but not when the light is red.
Don't know about Toronto, but in the U.S. in most if not all communities it is against the law for 2 vehicle to share a lane, especially at a stop, where both vehicles are completely in the lane, not straddling the center line, with out a safe distance between the 2.
What this means is a motorist is not to pull up on the left or the right of a cyclist, even if the cyclist is to the right or left side of the lane. Unfortunatly most drivers are to damn stupid to know this, or just plain don't care & do it anyway. Cyclists have to protect ourselves by riding defensivly. Taking the lane & preventing a driver from pulling next to you is really the only way to do this.
This is not true. Especially the issue about sharing lanes. Maybe in your state the laws are different, but in this state for instance, motorcycles are allowed to split lanes and it is quite legal. A motorcycle can pass other traffic while splitting the lane. I tried to find CVC to site this and instead only found no specific prohibition of the act, and instead found that it is positively cited on the CHP site:
http://www.chp.ca.gov/html/answers.html
Can motorcycle riders "split" lanes and ride between other vehicles?
Lane splitting by motorcycles is permissible but must be done in a safe and prudent manner.
yeah- but if i were a car, "he" would have to wait... i take the lane.
Depends on the width of the lane. Here in CA, motorists are required to merge into bike lanes to make their turns... although few motorists realize they are supposed to do this, often motorists will squeeze by one another in a right lane by moving into the BL or what ever space is available, to make a right turn.
If there is room for someone to make a right, I usually leave space when I am going straight. If someone comes up behind me in a very narrow lane, and they want to turn, they should tell me by using turn signals. Then, if there is room, I may move over if it is safe for me to do so. But generally, if there is room, I have already left space anyway.
How far apart do two barely moving vehicles need to be for it to be considered a safe distance?
In the situation that the OP describes, I'd probably start out in the middle of the lane out of principle (illegal to turn right on red there supposedly). If someone threw a hissy fit and seemed aggressive, I'd probably move over to the left and let them go. Moving towards the curb would put you in a bad spot once the light turns green because you don't know where the second car is going. If they are turning right and don't know you are going straight, it could get ugly.
Picture in your mind 2 motorcycles rideing 2 abreast, one in each half of the travel lane. Meaning each one is in the "tire track" that is worn into the pavement. That is a safe distance, stopped, barely moving or moving at speed. Unless 2 vehicles can maintain this sort of distance in the same lane they should not be abreast of one another. With a motor vehicle & a bicycle in the same lane they can not maintain this sort of distance.
I am basing this on the laws in my state.
joejack951
04-09-07, 07:43 AM
Picture in your mind 2 motorcycles rideing 2 abreast, one in each half of the travel lane. Meaning each one is in the "tire track" that is worn into the pavement. That is a safe distance, stopped, barely moving or moving at speed. Unless 2 vehicles can maintain this sort of distance in the same lane they should not be abreast of one another. With a motor vehicle & a bicycle in the same lane they can not maintain this sort of distance.
If I move left until I'm almost on top of the lane line and the turning motorist puts their right tires on the outside edge of the pavement, they can get by me with plenty of space in a normal width lane, considering I'm not prone to wobbling or drifting when I'm not moving. I do this often since we have many roads with no restriction for turning right on red. I don't do this at speed for obvious reasons.
How is sitting in a lane at a red light, with you waiting to go straight, and a car behind you waiting to turn right doing so unnecessarily? You are there first at the red light & by stopping & waiting you are obeying a traffic control device. For yor own safety & because it is illegal for 2 vehicles to share the same lane unless both can safely fit in the entire lane you take the lane to prevent this & protect yourself. So why/how is that unnecessary? If a cyclist sat there after the light turned green to piss off the motorist because he or she honkd their horn is unnecessary, but not when the light is red.
I respectfully disagree rather strongly, because it is so safe and easy to position oneself just far enough from the curb to accommodate a slow right-turn-on-red maneuver. At least in California, I am aware of no law against two vehicles (even two four-wheeled motor vehicles) briefly sharing a wide right lane as one waits for a through green and the other turns right on red. When driving, I always make a point to stay to the left of my lane in such situations, to accommodate right-turners. This simple courtesy applies irrespective of whether I am cycling or motoring, although I have far more opportunities to be courteous to right-turners when on my bicycle than when driving my Passat.
When cycling, I like to stop at the light, just barely blocking the path of a potential right-turner. Then, if a motorist approaches from behind with the right turn signal flashing, I lift the back wheel and pull the bike a foot or so leftward, making it unambiguous that I am making room for the motorist to turn right on red. The only potential downside is if you actually get that 1-in-a-million motorist who will attempt to pass you on your RIGHT to go STRAIGHT, instead of right. This is why I move over only if the motorist behind is signaling for a right turn, and why I keep myself far enough to the right to discourage this maneuver, which I have encountered only twice in 100k miles / 160k km of road cyclig.
Bikepacker67
04-09-07, 08:24 AM
I honk back louder.
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scottmorrison99
04-09-07, 09:10 AM
In that situation I take the right lane, but stay in the left part of it. If the lane is wide enough and someone comes up behind me wanting to turn right, I'll move farther left and wave them up to let them make their turn beside me.
That's what I do as well. Why be confrontational when cooperation is just as easy?
For those of you who give up your legal right to take the lane & protect yourself from a right hook or from the motorist who will go straight through on your right side, what do you do when a motorist honks, you look back & they have no signal on indicating they want to turn right?
I have been honked at to move over at a red light because an impatient drivers wants to turn & I am going straight. I don't move. I'm within my legal right & I'm obeying a traffic control device. Often the drivers that honk do not have their turn signal on. Another reason I do not move over & take the lane at a stop is I ride a recumbent. I can not just pick up the bike & side step over to the left. I have to stand up & move the front over, then the back, one half at a time. By the time I would get this done the light would be green & I would be holding up traffic trying to sit back down, clipping in to take off.
Often times I do not have a right turning driver behind me right away when I pull up to stop light, they pull up behind me a few seconds later while the light is still red after I have stopped & unclipped one foot. But even if I have a driver right behind me that can not pass in enough time to be in front when we stop I still take the lane, regardless of what the driver is going to do.
That's what I do as well. Why be confrontational when cooperation is just as easy?
It takes away the opportunity to be the victim.
noisebeam
04-09-07, 09:33 AM
I always left bias. Enough to let drivers creep forward to my right. About half will do so. If they have a signal on, I'll point to pavement next to me to let them know its OK to pull forward. I've never once been honked at while waiting in this manner, instead often get a friendly smile/wave from the driver that was able to turn right to my right.
Not only is this type of lane sharing legal, but the inductive sensor is often left biased when the lane is wider, so right turning vehicles don't trigger it, but thru vehicles do.
Al
When those of you who purposly indicate to the driver it is ok to do this by pointing or waving them forward or by being far enough to the left that allows a driver just barely enough room do you do the same when driving your vehicle? Do you wave a driver to come up on your right side, even if there is barely enough room & they want to turn right or even if it means they will be up on the curb or side walk? Probably not, right? Then why do it whne you're riding bike?
BTW when cyclists allow motorists to do this, whether on purpose or accident it makes them think they can do it to all cyclists, even if others do not want them to, or take the lane to prevent them from doing so. A potentially dangerous situation for the rest of us who believe in our legal right to the roadway & making sure we keep ourselves safe by taking the lane thus preventing a dangerous situation.
noisebeam
04-09-07, 09:44 AM
When those of you who purposly indicate to the driver it is ok to do this by pointing or waving them forward or by being far enough to the left that allows a driver just barely enough room do you do the same when driving your vehicle? Do you wave a driver to come up on your right side, even if there is barely enough room & they want to turn right or even if it means they will be up on the curb or side walk? Probably not, right? Then why do it whne you're riding bike?
BTW when cyclists allow motorists to do this, whether on purpose or accident it makes them think they can do it to all cyclists, even if others do not want them to, or take the lane to prevent them from doing so. A potentially dangerous situation for the rest of us who believe in our legal right to the roadway & making sure we keep ourselves safe by taking the lane thus preventing a dangerous situation.
Of course I'd do it if I was driving a motorcycle.
There is nothing dangerous, nothing bad about it. It is a great way to share the road. It is also just as easy to not let anyone turn right by moving right about 1-2' from the 'allow to right pass' location.
Al
ghettocruiser
04-09-07, 09:48 AM
I'll always roll forward a bit and give them enough room to pass me on the right if they are signaling a right turn.
Some people can't figure this out a still start honking, mostly because they have no idea how wide their car is, but the vast majority of the time this results in a favorable outcome for everyone.
noisebeam
04-09-07, 09:57 AM
I always stay behind stop line. If the lane isn't wide enough to share, I don't try and force it.
Al
Of course I'd do it if I was driving a motorcycle.
There is nothing dangerous, nothing bad about it. It is a great way to share the road. It is also just as easy to not let anyone turn right by moving right about 1-2' from the 'allow to right pass' location.
Al
do the laws in Arizona allow motorists or any legal vehicle of the roadways to do this? If not, then why do you allow it?
For cyclists that allow drivers to do this, do you expect drivers to allow you to pull up next to them on their right side so you can either turn or go straight, whether or not you do or do not know the drivers intentions?
Whether you expect it or not you know as well as I do a driver would have a fit if you did this. So why encourage them to do it. We have to exercise your legal right to the roadways. Sure it's great to share & share alike. But you give them an inch they'll take a mile. You let them do this to you, they will, but will not like it or will not allow you to do it to them. Most drivers think they have exclusive rights to the roadways & think cyclists do not belong. This is either due to ignorance of the law, which is never an excuse, or even if they know what the law says. I think ignorance of the law is the most common excuse.
For those of you who give up your legal right to take the lane & protect yourself from a right hook or from the motorist who will go straight through on your right side, what do you do when a motorist honks, you look back & they have no signal on indicating they want to turn right?
I have been honked at to move over at a red light because an impatient drivers wants to turn & I am going straight. I don't move. I'm within my legal right & I'm obeying a traffic control device. Often the drivers that honk do not have their turn signal on. Another reason I do not move over & take the lane at a stop is I ride a recumbent. I can not just pick up the bike & side step over to the left. I have to stand up & move the front over, then the back, one half at a time. By the time I would get this done the light would be green & I would be holding up traffic trying to sit back down, clipping in to take off.
Often times I do not have a right turning driver behind me right away when I pull up to stop light, they pull up behind me a few seconds later while the light is still red after I have stopped & unclipped one foot. But even if I have a driver right behind me that can not pass in enough time to be in front when we stop I still take the lane, regardless of what the driver is going to do.
If there is no room, or the motorist does not indicate their intention with a turn signal, I stand my ground. If they honk, I act like I don't understand. They must signal (ie, use common courtesy) before I respond. If they just insist on honking, I just throw up my hands in the old "I don't understand" salute.
But to your earlier "often times I don't... " issue... I make it a regular habit to try to keep to the left where motorists may be turning right and there is room. This also helps me trigger the inductive loops in the road to trip a light... so really there are several reasons for not curb hugging, or even being close to the curb.
noisebeam
04-09-07, 10:09 AM
Relax NC. Letting drivers pass on right to turn right is a daily pleasure. ;)
Yeah, at many of the wider WOL intersections two cars will share lane side by side. I've been left biased, had a thru vehicle pull up behind me and a right turning car passed us both. It was so horrible how violated we felt with all that cooperative lane sharing going on.
Of course the laws don't prohibit this lane sharing, where did you get this idea?
Almost all of the time one can tell who wants to turn right. Not always, but almost. And those 1/1000 times I misjudge? Who cares? Just a foot of lateral positioning can shut off anyone trying to move forward on right if one is not in the sharing mood.
Al
I do like Gene, Al, and Scott. If there's sufficient room, I'll bias left and wave them through. More often than not, I'll get a friendly wave and thank you in return. It's safe, efficient, and good public relations too.
nelson249
04-09-07, 10:22 AM
At such an intersection, I usually shift toward the left hand portion of the lane so drivers can continue to make right hand turns at the same time reducing the risk of gettting right hooked. I only got burned once doing this when a driver who wanted to go straight through tried to sandwich me. On the plus side, I figured out exactly what he was planning to do and I took my full 3-4 feet of payment and forced him to change into the right lane as we passed through the intersection. :)
noisebeam
04-09-07, 10:24 AM
took my full 3-4 feet of payment and forced him to change into the right lane as we passed through the intersection. :)
Wasn't the vehicle already in the right lane?
Al
Shiznaz
04-09-07, 10:25 AM
Most of the time I will pull up far enough left to allow a right turner to squeeze by. Since I filter, I figure its only fair to let a car past if there is space. If I reach the intersection alone, I take the lane completely to prevent people from doing risky high speed (and illegal) right turns without stopping. I keep an eye out at the traffic behind me and if I see a right turn signal will move further left if it is convenient. I generally always reclaim my position in the lane before the lights turn green.
I used to not move over at siutuations like these out of principle (I am a vehicle), but a few people tried to physically assault me and make death threats so now I just suck it up and make room for the maniacs. No point in getting hurt out of principle... In my experience, blocking the right lane on a bicycle will have people honking about 50% of the time, regardless of legal right. Sometimes its nice to give them not enough room to go by so they have to drive up onto the curb like idiots while you have a private laugh. I just wish horns didn't make me flinch, because then I could just ignore them!
One thing I absolutely hate is people zooming by you in the same lane at full speed when you are trying to make a left turn. So scary.
lima_bean
04-09-07, 10:36 AM
I wait on the far left of the lane and a little forward, so that cars can still turn right. I suppose this gives the possibility of someone getting next to me to go straight, which would be extremely obnoxious, but ive never had that actually happen, and I think its probalby because my lane position still makes it obvious that im going straight in this lane.
I noticed a lot of people say they move to the RIGHT, to let people turn right.. I personally dont think this is a very good idea, as it makes it harder to get back into the street to go straight, and leaves you vulnerable to a right hook.
noisebeam
04-09-07, 10:38 AM
Here is an example of being left-center biased and having a right turner pass on right:
youtube RUMIiQhCGls (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUMIiQhCGls)
It was actually the driver of the blue car I was annoyed with. I had my left arm signal out for a while, but they didn't want to let me move over.
Al
chipcom
04-09-07, 10:39 AM
In my truck, on my motorcycle or on my bike, if I can give enough room for someone behind me to turn right, I do - it's common courtesy. The only drawback on a bike is the occasional idiot who decides to pull up next to me and, rather than turn, floors it to go straight when the light turns. Oh well, the stupidity of others is not an excuse for poor manners on my part.
lima_bean
04-09-07, 10:44 AM
The only drawback on a bike is the occasional idiot who decides to pull up next to me and, rather than turn, floors it to go straight when the light turns. Oh well, the stupidity of others is not an excuse for poor manners on my part.
Ive been worried about this, but havnt actually had it happen to me.
And responding to NC, RE: Why do it, if the law doesn't allow it? :
Because I'm a dirty rotten scofflaw.
How is sitting in a lane at a red light, with you waiting to go straight, and a car behind you waiting to turn right doing so unnecessarily? You are there first at the red light & by stopping & waiting you are obeying a traffic control device. For yor own safety & because it is illegal for 2 vehicles to share the same lane unless both can safely fit in the entire lane you take the lane to prevent this & protect yourself. So why/how is that unnecessary? If a cyclist sat there after the light turned green to piss off the motorist because he or she honkd their horn is unnecessary, but not when the light is red.
The key word here is unnecessarily. I do the same thing in a car if there's room. My mother brought me up to consider other people. I can't help myself.
Obviously, if my safety is at stake, I won't do it.
Az
noisebeam
04-09-07, 10:49 AM
Ive been worried about this, but havnt actually had it happen to me.
It's happened a total of three times to me in the past three years of workdaily commuting. 2/3 times I knew it was going to happen, as in this example:
youtube UUUj2iAg47M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUUj2iAg47M)
I was tempted to talk to the long haired driver, but just it go.
I don't bias as far left at this intersection as I used to, end of being right passed by thru vehicles.
Who cares?
Al
Shiznaz
04-09-07, 10:51 AM
In my truck, on my motorcycle or on my bike, if I can give enough room for someone behind me to turn right, I do - it's common courtesy. The only drawback on a bike is the occasional idiot who decides to pull up next to me and, rather than turn, floors it to go straight when the light turns. Oh well, the stupidity of others is not an excuse for poor manners on my part.
When this happens, I take off a little bit before the lights change, and ride around and strack stand in front of the car so that they have to wait behind me. They stole my spot in line, so I steal it back if there is time and space. Makes me smile on the inside :)
Shiznaz
04-09-07, 10:56 AM
It's happened a total of three times to me in the past three years of workdaily commuting. 2/3 times I knew it was going to happen, as in this example:
youtube UUUj2iAg47M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUUj2iAg47M)
I was tempted to talk to the long haired driver, but just it go.
I don't bias as far left at this intersection as I used to, end of being right passed by thru vehicles.
Who cares?
Al
In your case I would have scooted into the crosswalk and track standed in front of the car once I realized it wasn't turning right. For better or for worse, but I do it anways (if I have time, otherwise I would have done the same as you).
It seems in the case in the video the lady had tunnel vision for her destination, as she started signalling as soon as she was through the intersection and then turned off shortly after. Sometimes people forget how to drive in the last stretch and will cut you off or do other crazy things.
If I'm stopped at a traffic light, I take the whole lane, so cars don't try to squeeze next to me; it's a red light, they're not going anywhere anyway. However, if a car pulls up behind me and the driver signals a right turn, I move to the left side of the lane so they can get by. Yes, if I were in a car, the car behind me would have to wait anyway, but, since I'm on a bike and able to move over for him, why not? It's a small act of politeness that costs me nothing, and it might build a little goodwill towards cyclists in general.
In my truck, on my motorcycle or on my bike, if I can give enough room for someone behind me to turn right, I do - it's common courtesy. The only drawback on a bike is the occasional idiot who decides to pull up next to me and, rather than turn, floors it to go straight when the light turns. Oh well, the stupidity of others is not an excuse for poor manners on my part.
Tend to agree... as as far as those idiots go... so what... I am going straight, they are going straight, we are on parallel paths. I can only hope that their "flooring it" allows them to meet the guy going the perpendicular direction that "tried to beat the light." :eek: Now that is poetic justice. :D
noisebeam
04-09-07, 11:01 AM
In your case I would have scooted into the crosswalk and track standed in front of the car once I realized it wasn't turning right. For better or for worse, but I do it anways (if I have time, otherwise I would have done the same as you).
It seems in the case in the video the lady had tunnel vision for her destination, as she started signalling as soon as she was through the intersection and then turned off shortly after. Sometimes people forget how to drive in the last stretch and will cut you off or do other crazy things.
As you could tell from the video (panning on her), I was immediately aware that she wasn't turning right. For some reason I felt it amusing more than anything else. I intentionally chose to let it slide and get on with getting home.
Al
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