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Robert C
04-13-07, 06:53 PM
This was mentioned in another thread in commuting.
There seems to be a strong interest in electric assist bicycles and it was suggested that there be a request made for the addition of an ebike forum. This forum would feature the discussion of the use, design, evolution, and construcction of electric assist bucycles. So, here is the request.
HELL YEAH!
Electric Bikes are a fast growing market segment. And contrary to some elitists beliefs, these are still bikes that you pedal.
There certainly are plenty of subjects on the matter spread across all the forums. Wouldn't it be nice if they were all in one place instead?
I think eBikes deserve their own forum just as much as recumbent, mountain and folders do. They're just a different specialty bike, that's all.
There seems to be a distinct lack of interest in bikes that have more than doubled their weight with lead acid batteries.
Mine has Lithium and only 15lbs more (or 1/2 more).
I still think it's a case of "build it and they will come."
Start a poll in the Alt bike forums, and see what they think. I'll work with you on this, if there's a real demand.
voltpedal
05-08-07, 07:10 PM
Came here to suggest an ebike forum, surprised to see it already suggested, disappointed in the reaction thereto!
As an ebike owner, that's why I'm here. Health probs mean I can only bike thanks to the battery assist!
Why the negativity towards this great invention?
Came here to suggest an ebike forum, surprised to see it already suggested, disappointed in the reaction thereto!
As an ebike owner, that's why I'm here. Health probs mean I can only bike thanks to the battery assist!
Why the negativity towards this great invention?
I worked in a bike shop in Australia, and every once in a while, someone would come in asking about electric bikes. We kindly explained to them that taking a 15kg bike and adding another 15kg (or more) in battery, motor, and drive mechanism left you with a bike that was impossible to pedal uphill, and quite a bit of work on the flats.
While I can appreciate that fact that battery assist lets you enjoy cycling, I'm not sure that there is enough interest to create another forum.
eBikes are in high demand all over the place. They're backordered everywhere at this time of year in Canada. Japan is going completly nuts over eBikes.
Oh... BTW... your comment on "impossible to pedal uphill" is total BS ! If anything, that's where eBikes shine the most. I know I can go uphill on grades that others either fall off or have to get off their bikes to climb. The reason for that is obvious: Speed! When going uphill if you drop below a certain speed you can't maintain balance and you have to put your foot down. Once you do that, you now have to walk the bike up the hill. With my eBike on Assist mode #4 (300% assist) the bike puts out 3X the torque that I do into the pedals. I can climb really steep grades without taking my butt off the seat. Heck, I have to lean over the handlebars because the front wheel is starting to lift up.
Sorry to say this Brian, but are clueless about eBikes. Which is one reason why we're requesting an eBike forum; to better educate people, and even bike shop employees, about eBike models, variations, applications, laws etc. Rather than spreading eBike discussions all over the other forums (do a search, they're all over the other forums), we want to concentrate all eBike discussions in one area.
There is so much mis-information going around about eBikes that it's time to clear things up. And please do your customers a favor Brian, stop BSing them with the "impossible to pedal uphill" comment. It's just completly false.
Came here to suggest an ebike forum, surprised to see it already suggested, disappointed in the reaction thereto!
As an ebike owner, that's why I'm here. Health probs mean I can only bike thanks to the battery assist!
Why the negativity towards this great invention?
Historically the human race has always been afraid of change. Like anything, it'll take a while before people really see the benefits. It's pretty obvious when you read all the typical anti-eBike B.S. floating around. Things like "cheating", "too heavy", "lazy people", "old people" and so on. All of which are simply put forth by people who are AFRAID of change.
I lived through the same type of resistance during the explosion of computer science. People were really afraid of computers for a long time. Especially the '80s when a slew of anti-computer movies like "Wargames" and "The Terminator" hit the box office. But during the '90s people began seing the real benefits. And now in the early 21st century, people now think you can't live without computers.
The same thing will happen with eBikes and other electricity based transportation systems. Eventually, people will not only accept them, they'll embrace them.
eBike fans, like me, are simply years ahead of the general population. I chalk it up to having an open mind and not dismissing a certain product by repeating some stupid comment uttered by some other idiot.
thimblescratch
05-09-07, 10:14 AM
I came here for ebikes, and ended up becoming an avid biker. I think e-bike forum would be great. I hate to see misinformation like Brian posted, and also there is a lot of venom from the biking purists when you post anywhere else, even in commuting when you use your ebike for commuting. I would love an ebike forum.
eBikes are in high demand all over the place. They're backordered everywhere at this time of year in Canada. Japan is going completly nuts over eBikes.
Oh... BTW... your comment on "impossible to pedal uphill" is total BS ! If anything, that's where eBikes shine the most. I know I can go uphill on grades that others either fall off or have to get off their bikes to climb. The reason for that is obvious: Speed! When going uphill if you drop below a certain speed you can't maintain balance and you have to put your foot down. Once you do that, you now have to walk the bike up the hill. With my eBike on Assist mode #4 (300% assist) the bike puts out 3X the torque that I do into the pedals. I can climb really steep grades without taking my butt off the seat. Heck, I have to lean over the handlebars because the front wheel is starting to lift up.
Sorry to say this Brian, but are clueless about eBikes. Which is one reason why we're requesting an eBike forum; to better educate people, and even bike shop employees, about eBike models, variations, applications, laws etc. Rather than spreading eBike discussions all over the other forums (do a search, they're all over the other forums), we want to concentrate all eBike discussions in one area.
There is so much mis-information going around about eBikes that it's time to clear things up. And please do your customers a favor Brian, stop BSing them with the "impossible to pedal uphill" comment. It's just completly false.
So how fast do you go uphill with a dead battery?
Never tried it... it never went dead.
In the 245164 threads I find at the moment in this forum, 7 (including this one) have the term "ebike" in the thread title. That's an average of about one thread per year. And none of the threads seem to have a significant amount of participation.
In the 3926618 posts I find at the moment in this forum, 209 have the term "ebike" somewhere in the post.
There's room for all sorts of cycling here, but I find it hard to see the case for an ebike forum at this time. I just don't see where all the demand is for such a subforum.
In the old days, I would have had to write a script and queried the database. But the search function does make it easier. ;)
In the 245164 threads I find at the moment in this forum, 7 (including this one) have the term "ebike" in the thread title.
Try "electric bike" instead. I got 24 titles.
And my "ebike" search came up with 94 hits. hmmmm... Not 209.
Still, just because there's little interest from existing members, it doesn't mean it won't attract new ones. Maybe there would be more if eBikers visiting this place saw an eBike forum?
Does the popularity of a given subject determine if it needs a forum of its own?
I still think it's a case of : "build it and they will come."
The responses here (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=210004&highlight=electric+bike) are rather telling.
thimblescratch
05-10-07, 05:13 AM
The responses here (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=210004&highlight=electric+bike) are rather telling.
I'm sure the the vagueness of the post had nothing to do with it... :rolleyes:
I find your animosity towards ebikes to be very 'telling'.
How about this one? http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=265057&highlight=sarcasm+electric+bike
Perhaps there is not enough demand for now, but like Zueser said, build it and they will come. That's how I found BF in the first place, by looking for e-bike info. Now I'm a total convert from skating to biking. So it has its place.
Animosity? We have over 65,000 members, and 4 have asked about an ebike forum. I'm not saying I'm totally against them, only that I don't think they warrant their own forum at this time. We can't create a new forum for every little niche.
thimblescratch
05-10-07, 06:38 AM
I agree, you wouldn't want to create a new forum for every little niche.
But animosity, yes. Pointing to one thread that has no responses, when there are others that have pages.
Not to mention the one liners you've posted in this very thread:
"There seems to be a distinct lack of interest in bikes that have more than doubled their weight with lead acid batteries."
" So how fast do you go uphill with a dead battery?"
(how fast do YOU go with a flat tire, and what are we, racing?)
Just my observation :o
Dannihilator
05-10-07, 07:52 AM
http://www.bikeforums.net/forumdisplay.php?f=225 Take the ebike discussions to Alt Bike Culture.
I agree, you wouldn't want to create a new forum for every little niche.
But animosity, yes. Pointing to one thread that has no responses, when there are others that have pages.
Not to mention the one liners you've posted in this very thread:
"There seems to be a distinct lack of interest in bikes that have more than doubled their weight with lead acid batteries."
" So how fast do you go uphill with a dead battery?"
(how fast do YOU go with a flat tire, and what are we, racing?)
Just my observation :o
There were plenty of threads with mixed responses, I just pointed out one that many had viewed, but no one could be bothered to respond to.
And I was trying to make the point that there are some diminishing returns with ebikes - you need the motor to help you lug all that weight up a hill. And if the battery goes flat, you're screwed.
So, if we do create a new forum, what would the title be?
Dannihilator
05-10-07, 08:02 PM
Cycling for the pedaling declined.
thimblescratch
05-11-07, 05:40 AM
Forum name... how about:
Electric Bikes
or something more to the point like
You're not a Real Cyclist, and You're Not Welcomed Here
0.o
Forum name... how about:
Electric Bikes
or something more to the point like
You're not a Real Cyclist, and You're Not Welcomed Here
0.o
So much for my efforts to be serious. I've never put down anyone for what they ride. Although if you follow my blog, you know that I'm pretty critical of some of the alternate designs out there.
thimblescratch
05-11-07, 08:23 AM
I was kind of being serious too. I appreciate your honesty. It just gets tiresome to endure the anti-ebike vibe around here. I really am questioning whether it would be a good thing or a bad thing to have a forum dedicated to it, considering the kind of sarcasm it garners on threads with any mention of power assist.
Thanks for your time and have a great Friday :)
I was kind of being serious too. I appreciate your honesty. It just gets tiresome to endure the anti-ebike vibe around here. I really am questioning whether it would be a good thing or a bad thing to have a forum dedicated to it, considering the kind of sarcasm it garners on threads with any mention of power assist.
Thanks for your time and have a great Friday :)
Absolutely. The anti-eBike sentiment here is pretty obvious and is one reason why a seperate eBike forum is desireable. eBike threads pop up in other forums, like commuting, every so often. And while we're discussing the eBike stuff, some retard always has to chime in with the typical stupidity like "cheating", "being lazy" and so on.
Maybe a seperate forum setion would be helpful to both current forum members, those 65,000 people Brian is so proud of having, and the few hundreds more that will come by for the eBike forum. Keeping the eBike threads out of other forums would do everyone a service. Then if some troll comes over to the eBike forum to bash eBikes with the typical ignorant comments, then it's pretty clear the moron is there for no other reason that to cause trouble.
Brian, one reason you don't have that many eBikers on this foum already is simply because you don't have an eBike forum. The question you have to ask yourself is: Do you want the defenitive bike forum on the web to include eBikes or not?
So will it be ebikes, or electric bikes?
thimblescratch
05-11-07, 11:09 AM
I would think 'electric bikes' would be better, because when on a search engine I think that is a more universal term. Ebikes are difficult to search because you never know if it is e-bike or ebike.
I'll probably create it this evening. Today is too nice to be inside. Ironically, I will be on a two-wheeler with a very large motor.
thimblescratch
05-11-07, 11:26 AM
Wow, SUPERhappy Friday!
Thanks Brian, and enjoy the weather :)
I'll probably create it this evening. Today is too nice to be inside. Ironically, I will be on a two-wheeler with a very large motor.
Thanks Brian. I'll spread the word once the forum is up and try to get as many eBike folks over as possible.
PS: Enjoy the Friday ride.
Well, I've built it. The rest is up to you guys.
adamtki
05-16-07, 08:23 PM
Well, I've built it. The rest is up to you guys.
Thanks for adding the Electric Bike forum. I was wondering when it showed up. Then I found this thread by chance. I actually made a couple of posts in the commuting forum about wanting to see a separate Electric Bike forum in here.
Oh, and I couldn't help but respond to "how fast can you go uphill on an ebike with a dead battery":
Basically, it's like biking uphill with a backpack filled with a few books... or biking uphilll after gaining 15-20 lbs of fat over the winter. I'm 145 lbs. There are plenty of cyclists weighing over 160lbs. In fact, I can even load these bikes up onto bus bike racks without any problems (and I have a bad back). I'm not exaggerating. E-bikes aren't as bad as you think they are.
E-bikes aren't as bad as you think they are.
Only the ones that I've seen so far. I've yet to see one that weighs less than our tandem MTB.
Only the ones that I've seen so far. I've yet to see one that weighs less than our tandem MTB.
How much does it weigh?
dauphin
05-17-07, 12:18 AM
Absolutely. The anti-eBike sentiment here is pretty obvious and is one reason why a seperate eBike forum is desireable. eBike threads pop up in other forums, like commuting, every so often. And while we're discussing the eBike stuff, some retard always has to chime in with the typical stupidity like "cheating", "being lazy" and so on.
Oh yeah, you're open minded....At least my mentally retarded son can't be offended by your remarks...
How much does it weigh?
About 38 pounds. A single ought to weigh less than a double.
Oh yeah, you're open minded....At least my mentally retarded son can't be offended by your remarks...
"Retard" is a psychology thing. It's just the Binet scale. And I was being generous by not saying "idiot" instead. Cause eBike nay-sayers really seem to have an I.Q. of about 50 these days.
It goes like this:
Idiot (0-25) -> Imbecile (26-50) -> Moron/Retard ( 51-70) -> Normal (70 and above). Then it gets to the genius levels and so on.
The point being that the word "retard" has fallen into slang as a derogatory term and people use it too liberally. I used it to describe the very low intelect of some eBike nay-sayers. And even though they may not be clinically classified as "retard", they sure as heck are acting like it.
About 38 pounds. A single ought to weigh less than a double.
Well you're not going to get an eBike that weighs the same or less than normal bike. It just doesn't make sense. But I think my MTB with Bion-x might be close to the weight of your tandem.
I'll have to weigh the thing to find out. But just from lifting it by hand, it does feel quite light for an eBike.
The point being that the word "retard" has fallen into slang as a derogatory term and people use it too liberally. I used it to describe the very low intelect of some eBike nay-sayers. And even though they may not be clinically classified as "retard", they sure as heck are acting like it.
There is a certain irony here that really hurts your argument.
As far as ebikes, I still find them somewhat pointless, in a lazy kind of way. But you've got your forum.
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