Training & Nutrition - Is anyone here eating real food and still losing weight?

I mean are you still eating bread, meat and cheese and losing weight? I tried eating more veggies but that stuff makes me gag. Only salads with thousand island dressing (all that sugar) is appetizing to me. I give up. Guess I'm going to have to ride waaay more to really lose weight. Good thing I enjoy it.

If you are still eating real food, how much riding do you do to keep your weight down?

Yes, I eat regular food - and I have dropped weight - over the last 8 years or so I have dropped pretty close to 90 lbs. I do watch quantity of food and I commute on a bike - the last is the most significant factor.

I don't pile on the fat and sugar, just a reasonable amount.

well lately I have tried something new. since the winter I have been riding like a mad man and have lost very little weight. Although Im not watching my eating as well as I could. I do notice changes in physical apperance but overall weight loss has been minimal. don't know why. I certainly look skinnier. But no significant loss of weight. I am riding about 5-6 days a week a minimum of 30 high intensity miles each ride. I try to throw in a recovery ride every now and then. but my body wants to go full throttle. BTW i am 6'1' 175 lbs.

In the last year I have lost about 50 lbs without changing much to my diet. I have been riding about 250 miles a month.

the only way for me to gain weight is to lift weights. i can eat a lot; but don't gain weight.

what real food? what kind of fake foods are you eating?

i dropped 60 lbs in one year eating healthy lean meats, veggies, bread, pasta, and so on. it can be done if you control your portions and eat the good stuff. later.

What do you mean by real food? bread, meat, cheese for every meal? I don't do that, but I do have 2 sandwiches for lunch pretty much every day (canned tuna or salmon w/ mayo on whole wheat). Meat (mammal) and cheese show up at least weekly but probably not daily. I am about 2 wks into looking at fitday.com it claims, to the extent that I am telling it the truth, that I am eating about 60/20/20 carbs/protein/fat.

My commute is 13 miles/day, not enough to get me to lose weight. I started diligently adding in extra rides while focusing on eating less last September (extend trip in or home, go riding at lunch time) and definitely started losing weight. Weight loss slowed, and I started really ramping up the riding (which also required ramping up some eating), to the point that I am trying to do 35 miles a weekday, schedule permitting, and am still (barely) losing weight. I am down 40# since last Aug, 5# more to go, I tell myself.

Actually at 3500 Cal/pound that works out to about 600 Cal more burned than eaten per day since 1 Sep, so while it seems like weight loss has slowed, in the big picture it does work out to a pretty even and believable rate overall.

I I tried eating more veggies but that stuff makes me gag. Only

If you are still eating real food, how much riding do you do to keep your weight down?


Ok, reread that sentence you just wrote and realize you're not likely going to be healthy. Ever. Change your habits.

If you want to train your body to like veggies, try going on the Velocity Diet by Chris Shugart for a month. barring that, you can try Mario Dipasquale's Anabolic Diet.

You sound just like most of the people I turn away as clients. I'd rather not make money. "I want to lose 50 pounds, coach, but I'm not willing to give up that 2 liter of soda or the cheesecake I eat every day. Oh, and I refuse to eat anything that isn't fried, too." :rolleyes:

Real food is not junk food - it is good food. This doesn't say there is no cheese or anything, just that you need good food. You can be thin and malnourished and even fat and malnourished. Learn to enjoy eating good stuff - but it doesn't mean you have to give up taste.

But you do have to learn to educate your taste buds a bit. You can almost always eat more than you use - somewhere you have to learn control.

OK, seriously now, my problem isn't the meat and cheese part, it's the bun. I am addicted to bread. I've given up white, enriched flour but I need bread. Switching to 100% whole grain wheat has not helped me lose any weight. It's been at least six months since I consumed a donut, PB& J on white bread or any kind of sugar loaded carb. So I have changed my habits quite a bit. Still not losing weight. Also, I do spin classes 3-4X/wk plus ride 30 or so miles on Sat or Sun.

The last time I lost a significant amount of weight was when I gave up all bread all together. That was hard and the second I started eating bread again, the pounds rushed back.

Bread has a huge amount of calories for volume - for example, for me for a meal, 2 slices of bread is all I would need for carbs usually - perhaps a touch more, but not a lot. The problem is that you could easily sit down and polish off a loaf of french bread. You are talking really concentrated stuff.

yeah i eat real food, pizza, BBQ ribs, fish &chips, french fries, burger, etc.

actually i do moderate those, but for bad fat reasons, not calories. and of course I eat lots of fruit and veggies too.

my weight went down on this diet, but leveled off at health level, if I stop cycling i gain, cycle again and it goes down.

Al

what real food? what kind of fake foods are you eating?

i dropped 60 lbs in one year eating healthy lean meats, veggies, bread, pasta, and so on. it can be done if you control your portions and eat the good stuff.

Same plan, same results. No need for special 'diet' or 'health' foods.

I mean are you still eating bread, meat and cheese and losing weight? I tried eating more veggies but that stuff makes me gag. Only salads with thousand island dressing (all that sugar) is appetizing to me. I give up. Guess I'm going to have to ride waaay more to really lose weight. Good thing I enjoy it.

If you are still eating real food, how much riding do you do to keep your weight down?

Sounds like your definition of "real food" is limited to "high calorie density / low nutrient density" foods. That makes your odds of success pretty low.

OK, seriously now, my problem isn't the meat and cheese part, it's the bun. I am addicted to bread. I've given up white, enriched flour but I need bread. Switching to 100% whole grain wheat has not helped me lose any weight. It's been at least six months since I consumed a donut, PB& J on white bread or any kind of sugar loaded carb. So I have changed my habits quite a bit. Still not losing weight. Also, I do spin classes 3-4X/wk plus ride 30 or so miles on Sat or Sun.

The last time I lost a significant amount of weight was when I gave up all bread all together. That was hard and the second I started eating bread again, the pounds rushed back.


If you're not losing weight with your current food and exercise routine, you have three options:

1) Eat a Little Less

2) Exercise a Little More

3) Do some of both.

Given your current exercise routine, I suspect that you need to take a hard look at how many calories go into your pie hole each day. Finding a few hundred calories that you can forgo each day should jump-start your weight loss.

well lately I have tried something new. since the winter I have been riding like a mad man and have lost very little weight. Although Im not watching my eating as well as I could. I do notice changes in physical apperance but overall weight loss has been minimal. don't know why. I certainly look skinnier. But no significant loss of weight. I am riding about 5-6 days a week a minimum of 30 high intensity miles each ride. I try to throw in a recovery ride every now and then. but my body wants to go full throttle. BTW i am 6'1' 175 lbs.


You need to do some research on weight loss to understand what is going on inside your body.

Here is what is going on in your case.

1. High Intense training will burn less fat over a slower pace
2. You are burning fat and replacing that with muscle which does weight more lb for lb
3. 6.1 @ 175 is amazing, your in great shape already!

You need more recovery days and turn down the intensity to burn some more fat.

You need to do some research on weight loss to understand what is going on inside your body.

Here is what is going on in your case.

1. High Intense training will burn less fat over a slower paceThat's a myth. Higher intensity exercise burns more calories per minute than lower intensity exercise. Since most of us are limited in terms of time, higher intensity exercise works better for weight loss for most folks.

FWIW, weight loss is not about "burning fat"...it's about burning more calories than you take in.


2. You are burning fat and replacing that with muscle which does weight more lb for lb"Lb for lb", they're the same. :rolleyes: On a "volume" basis muscle does weight more than fat, but most folks don't build up enough muscle mass through training for this to be an issue.


3. 6.1 @ 175 is amazing, your in great shape already!Agreed.


You need more recovery days and turn down the intensity to burn some more fat.Strongly disagree.

I've been riding a lot so far this year in preparation for a 100 mile mtb race in July. So far I've logged about 1500 road miles and 500 off-road. I've lost 5 pounds and I'm down to 140 at 5'9.5" tall. I have to eat "real food" like a pig to keep above 140. My personal favorites have been chicken and pasta, burritos, and lots of nachos with lots of cheese, about 3-4 big plates a week. I think I'm eating at least 1000 more calories a day than I was before the training, and it should probably be more because I'm still slowly losing weight.

When I'm not training for anything and just riding for fun I find that an average of an hour a day lets me eat normal foods. I tend to keep sugar to a minimum and I drink very few calories every day. When I was 21-22 my diet was crap, matabolism slowed, and I started feeling like crap, so I started to pay attention to what I was eating and drinking every day. The big killer seemed to be sugar and it came mostly from drinks. I quit drinking soda, started drinking better fruit juices, and stopped putting sugar or cream in my coffee. It cut about 400-600 calories out of my diet every day and normal foods started tasting sweeter (if you don't drink soda, fruit tastes super sweet). These days I only drink water, black coffee, and beer on a regular basis, which still puts my daily liquid calories a few hundred less than they used to be.

Basically I found that if I didn't drink my calories and ride at least 5 hours a week it didn't really matter if I had 1000 island dressing on my salad.

I ate normally (good/bad/fast/junk food) over the last year and lost 3-4% of my bodyweight since i added cycling and triathlon training to my lifestyle. (i dropped 5 lbs from 135-130) I was 125 lbs during college which was about 5 years ago.

My wife is an incredible cook, I'm a little long in the tooth, and we eat (she keeps track) about 14 servings of fruit or vegetables per day. So I really put it away. Plus bread, pancakes, pasta, all the yummy things. We don't eat dessert unless we have company. I never drink soft drinks, just some beer occasionally. I ride 100-200 miles per week pretty much year-round, plus we hike one day a week in the summer, and sometimes snowshoe in the winter. I gain a few pounds in the winter and lose it in the spring. I'm down about 5 pounds now, and will lose another 5 by August. That's just the effect of increased mileage. No diet changes.

If you don't like real food, buy a couple of vegetarian cookbooks. For some reason, I find vegetarian food tastier. Meat can really blow the other flavors away, and it can be so greasy. Give me olive oil any day.

Anyway, I'd say if you ride 150 miles/week or so, you'll lose weight, get bigger legs, and enjoy your food, all three together. Just don't eat fast food, don't drink soft drinks, and don't drink alcohol every night.

I eat regular food. Baked pasta, stir fried vegies, real butter, yogurt, cheese, fruit, nuts, fish, etc.... I lose weight by controlling portions. I'm 5'11" and weigh 165lbs. I can lose 2-3 pounds in two weeks simply by making very minor changes in portion sizes. First establish a base diet of good food you like. then maintain that diet for a significant period and see how your weight is. Set the portions as you like them and maintain that weight for a while. Then work from there by reducing portions or eliminating items. Consistency is very important and you must like what you eat.

If you impulse shop or eat, this will definitely not work. Cheers.

To lose weight:

1) as has been said, slowly train your body to like decent food (you will be able to eat lots of it if you train right)

2) cardio - bicycling uses tons'o'calories, and you need extra protein to repare your muscles, so lo-fat sources are "freebie" foods

3) weights - building muscle mass takes a great deal of energy, and then the muscle burns energy while you read a book...again, the extra protein requirement means lean sources are freebies

You don't have to spend lots of time lifting or bulk up to benefit from weights, either (even if you happen to have genes that predispose you to it). Just a modest workout where you take one set per major body part to failure (i.e. you push that weight up until you literally reach the point where you fail) once a week will benefit you quite a bit. Throw in cycling and reasonable food with adequate protein and vitamins, and losing weight is a certainty.

The other great thing is that cycling burns more calories the more you need them off, as your weight increases the effort. :)

I eat whatever I want to eat in whatever quantities I want to eat it ... and I always lose weight in the summer.

I eat whatever I want to eat in whatever quantities I want to eat it ... and I always lose weight in the summer.Is "always" still the operative word? :( Hope your doc had something useful to say.

I've lost a bit of weight recently eating a real food diet that contains lots of animal fats and very little carbs. I've leveled out a bit recently but I only need to loose say 3-4 kg more anyway.

Something I discovered recently is that there are 2 nutrients that play very important roles in my weight loss and without them I could try as hard as I like and I wasn't going to loose weight. One of them was omega 3 fish oil and the other is Magnesium. Omega 3 fish oil realy helps my body to work in a fat burning mode. The reccomended dose is 6 x 1000 mg capsules a day but that's just a minimum. I take 15-20 a day. Magnesium is an essential mineral for fat burning. If you lost a bit of weight a while ago you would have likely depleted your bodies stores of it and without sufficient magnesium you will not lose weight. You will know you are taking too much magnesium when you have loose bowel movements so gradualy increase your dose untill you reach that point and then reduce the dose again. Magnesium is also required for the proper digestion of carbohydrates and it has a benificial effect on your mood. Its an important muscle relaxer. See, http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/article.asp?PageType=Article&ID=541

EDIT: Ohh and the other thing is that you have to be not totaly obsesed about what the scales read. At some point you start putting on more muscle weight than you are losing in fat so I watch my waist line as well. As long as my belt is getting smaller and not larger its OK.

Regards, Anthony

Is "always" still the operative word? :( Hope your doc had something useful to say.

Yeah, I've started losing weight already :) ... and no my Dr had nothing useful to say. :mad:

I've dropped almost all processed food from my diet, and I'm still fat. Mebbe I need more exercise...

I've dropped almost all processed food from my diet, and I'm still fat. Mebbe I need more exercise...

Or...eat less.

There are plenty of fat vegetarians, and plenty of fat cyclists who ride 150 miles per week.

It just illustrates how easy it is to subvert a good exercise program with a few poor food choices each week.

Sadly, we can always "overeat" no matter how much exercise we get (look around at most century rides and you'll see "ample" evidence of this).

OK, seriously now, my problem isn't the meat and cheese part, it's the bun. I am addicted to bread. I've given up white, enriched flour but I need bread. Switching to 100% whole grain wheat has not helped me lose any weight. It's been at least six months since I consumed a donut, PB& J on white bread or any kind of sugar loaded carb. So I have changed my habits quite a bit. Still not losing weight. Also, I do spin classes 3-4X/wk plus ride 30 or so miles on Sat or Sun.

The last time I lost a significant amount of weight was when I gave up all bread all together. That was hard and the second I started eating bread again, the pounds rushed back.

Can you tell us what you are typically eating during the week?

I've dropped just over 40 pounds and kept it off for five years via a low carb diet. I lost the first 30 in 6 months, kept it off for 4 plus years, but nothing would get rid of the rest, including an hour or more of steady state long steady distance style cardio. I started strength training a year ago, cut out the cardio almost completely-I only ride on weekends now, when the weather is nice-and started watching my portion sizes, and I dropped another 10 and counting.

I eat eggs,sausage, bacon, steak, fish, pork,broccoli, squash, spinach,peas, green beans,cheese, butter, mayo, grapes, bananas, blueberries, etc. etc..

I almost never eat bread, never eat anything with sugar or starch.

My only real vice is beer. and scotch. and wine.

As has been said it is not so much what you eat but how much of it you eat and when you eat it i.e. don't eat a bunch of food right before you go to bed. I have lost about about 20lbs without changing diet just by cycling at which point I got stuck. I made a few simple changes such as dropping potatoes completely from my diet, cutting back on breads and pasta and staying away from sugar and alcohol except on the weekends. After a month of this routine I dropped 5 more pounds. No I am 5'8" and 185lbs so I would love being 6'1" and 175lbs, I think you are worring too much.

Can you tell us what you are typically eating during the week?This is what I eat also but add bread.

I eat eggs,sausage, bacon, steak, fish, pork,broccoli, squash, spinach,peas, green beans,cheese, butter, mayo, grapes, bananas, blueberries, etc. etc..

I am 5'8" and weigh 215 lb now. When I dropped carbs all together a few years ago, I got down to 169 lb!

This is what I eat also but add bread.

I eat eggs,sausage, bacon, steak, fish, pork,broccoli, squash, spinach,peas, green beans,cheese, butter, mayo, grapes, bananas, blueberries, etc. etc..

I am 5'8" and weigh 215 lb now. When I dropped carbs all together a few years ago, I got down to 169 lb!

Cut the butter and mayo. Keep the fruits and veggies. Cut back on your portion sizes for meats, cheeses, eggs, etc. Cut way back on the bread.

All you need to do is cut out a few hundred calories each day and you'll start losing weight. You're probably eating close to 3000 calories per day to maintain your current weight, so try to cut back to 2500 or so.

You can lose weight on any diet...it's all a matter of how many calories are going in vs. how many calories you're burning through exercise and basal metabolism.

Learn what a "portion size" is...you'll probably be surprised to learn that you're typically eating 2, 3 or even 4 portions each time you sit down to a meal (especially if you eat out).

I pretty much eat whatever I want, I just eat a little less of it.
I've lost 20-25 lbs over the past year. Sure, I could have lost a lot more, I guess but the important thing for me is not to feel like I'm depriving myself. Fom my own personal POV, that is not a sustainable diet - if you feel like you're "missing out". So, now I cut back a bit on my portions and on my crap intake and, over time, I will continue to cut back. You gotta be in it for the long haul.

Oh, I'm about 5'10", 195lbs and I ride 150 miles a week, roughly, with about 1/4 to 1/3 of it being uphill.

That's a myth. Higher intensity exercise burns more calories per minute than lower intensity exercise. Since most of us are limited in terms of time, higher intensity exercise works better for weight loss for most folks.

FWIW, weight loss is not about "burning fat"...it's about burning more calories than you take in.

"Lb for lb", they're the same. :rolleyes: On a "volume" basis muscle does weight more than fat, but most folks don't build up enough muscle mass through training for this to be an issue.

Agreed.

Strongly disagree.


Well here is my average daily foods.
Large cup of coffee - 2 tbls sugar -

10am
Whole grain bread w/PB&J - organic - coffee

Lunch - fruit / Turkey sandwich on WHole grain - avocado cheese - mustard -8 oz gatorade

fruit - in between -

dinner - Baked potatoe or Rice - grilled Chicken - veggies - 8 oz gatorade / 12 oz coke
alternative dinner if lazy - chicken burrito /chicken tacos - Rubios mexican grille.
or spaghetti with turky meat. - or 4 cheese ravioli with pesto organic pesto sauce.

Pretty consistant with as my daily meals - the first half is always the same.

keep in mind - I train almost every day. tuesday thurs day - 33 mile loop - and then the other days I do at least 25-40 depending on the heat. ALOT of climbing and high intensity stuff. on weekends I will add more milaege. I probably will star taking 1-2 days off a week so I don't end up dead. :eek:

OK, seriously now, my problem isn't the meat and cheese part, it's the bun. I am addicted to bread. I've given up white, enriched flour but I need bread. Switching to 100% whole grain wheat has not helped me lose any weight. It's been at least six months since I consumed a donut, PB& J on white bread or any kind of sugar loaded carb. So I have changed my habits quite a bit. Still not losing weight. Also, I do spin classes 3-4X/wk plus ride 30 or so miles on Sat or Sun.

The last time I lost a significant amount of weight was when I gave up all bread all together. That was hard and the second I started eating bread again, the pounds rushed back.


Why dont you try french baguette? It has less calories per volume.

Ricardo

This is what I eat also but add bread.

I eat eggs,sausage, bacon, steak, fish, pork,broccoli, squash, spinach,peas, green beans,cheese, butter, mayo, grapes, bananas, blueberries, etc. etc..

I am 5'8" and weigh 215 lb now. When I dropped carbs all together a few years ago, I got down to 169 lb!
When you calculated the calories you are consuming in an average day, what was the number?

in january i decided to start training for triathlons. i'm 5'10" and at the time i weighed 184.

i'd always commuted on my bike as well as done a lot of recreational riding so bike mileage was probably at least 100 a week. when i started training i added swimming and running to my routine, doing each 3 times a week for 30-45 minutes.

along with this i really tried to refine my diet. i stopped eating white bread all together (had a nasty bagel habit) and replaced almost all refined flour with whole wheat (bread, pasta, etc). i cut lots of sugar out of my diet (desert, morning coffee). i stopped eating ****ty processed vegan food (high processed fake meats, ice cream, cheeses) and also began eating fish a few times a week (almost strictly sushi - primarily salmon and tuna). i also began eating breakfast every day which i hadn't done in over a decade, and snacking throughout the day or raw nuts (mostly almonds and walnuts) and dried fruits as well as fresh fruit. most importantly i think, i stopped eating a meal when i was no longer hungry as opposed to when i was full. i think it's important to never feel full, while at the same time snacking during the day so you never really feel hungry either. and i drink way more water now too.

it helps a lot for me to think about the number of calories in any one item i might eat and think of how long it would take me to run off those calories. i don't want to be doing all of this working out to waste it on poor food choices which are generally just cravings that pass when you get something decent in your stomach.

anyway, when i weighed last night was was down to 162 - so 22 pounds off in about 3.5 months. i'm pretty happy with how things are going. my original goal was to get down to 165, but now i'm looking towards 155 or 150 - it's not the specific weight im aiming for though, but the level of fitness that i think will correspond with that weight.

This is what I eat also but add bread.

I eat eggs,sausage, bacon, steak, fish, pork,broccoli, squash, spinach,peas, green beans,cheese, butter, mayo, grapes, bananas, blueberries, etc. etc..

I am 5'8" and weigh 215 lb now. When I dropped carbs all together a few years ago, I got down to 169 lb!

While I'm a fan of fat, mayonaise is something I just have to avoid as it causes me weight gain. Too much refined omega 6 fat. Add some extra virgin olive oil in moderation.

My dominant dietry fat is beef tallow with some lard, coconut oil, and a little butter. As much as I love butter it just doesn't agree with me and I've had the best hand made butter to boot. Duck/Goose fat is nice on occasions.

Try cooking your vegetables in stock as it makes the WORLD of difference. If you don't want to try making stock then buy the best liquid stock that you can get. Maybe you can find a butcher who is making it properly.

Regards, Anthony

When you calculated the calories you are consuming in an average day, what was the number?
I've never calculated calories. Who the heck really knows how much calories are assigned to what? Doesn't it vary depending on portion size too? Kind of a crap shoot, I think. If I could accurately calculate it, I would though.

Might have to give French baguettes a try.

i lost 60 pounds last summer be not changing my eating habits at all. im 19 and was a running back in high school, a large one at that. i weighed 220 last april. by the end of september i was was a WHOPPING 164! haha. you have to seriously commit yourself to riding a ridiculous amount and it may have to do with that fact that im 19. but i woke up 7 days a week and rode 30/40 miles in the morning. then after work would go for a slightly longer ride. i know this is a crazy training regimine but it is totally worth it i think to be able to eat freely when you are hungry. i had tried dieting and having smaller portions of good food, but i love to eat. i found i love to ride and im sure you do to. so if you have to time just ride your ass off! now i would eat 2500-3500 calories a day and lose weight. but i didnt eat **** like fried food and pizza. so just stay away from the thousand island dressing and the really bad stuff and you will lose weight. hope this helps man.

I would assume, and this is taking it to the extreme...

That you want to eat fast food, drink daily and live 'the American dream' and still see weight loss, you need to wait with the other 78% of Americans for the wonder pill that will somehow decrease your calories, saturated fat intake, increase fiber and protein on a daily basis in your diet and get out and burn between 700-1400 calories a day for your physical fitness needs. I'm not certain what cadance a pill can hold for any extended periods of time, and that's probably the downfall currently in the science of the whole concept.

I would assume, and this is taking it to the extreme...

That you want to eat fast food, drink daily and live 'the American dream' and still see weight loss, you need to wait with the other 78% of Americans for the wonder pill that will somehow decrease your calories, saturated fat intake, increase fiber and protein on a daily basis in your diet and get out and burn between 700-1400 calories a day for your physical fitness needs. I'm not certain what cadance a pill can hold for any extended periods of time, and that's probably the downfall currently in the science of the whole concept.

The biggest problem with current dominant dietry advise is that its ALL propoganda and NO science.

Saturated fat dangerous? Well they're still trying to come up with the evidence for that one and if you have an inside scoop then you could make yourself famous as the 'great white hope".

Need more fibre? Well that one's being questioned too.

Need more protein? Actualy not even the dominant mainstream is claiming that our diets lack protein.

Regards, Anthony

I stopped eating ****ty processed vegan food (high processed fake meats, ice cream, cheeses)

I must be living in a cave, vegan food typically isn't 'highly processed.' Fake meat products generally are made with tofu or soy substitutes and, off the top of my head are typically 50-70% [b]less[b/] lower in fat than their real meat kin.

Ice cream is crap, vegan ice cream lacks the saturated fat and refined sugars generally, so once again isn't a 'bad' choice comparatively.

Vegan cheese is a crap shoot. I've had some tasty ones, but once again the process to make vegan cheese is far from 'high processed.'

In reality, I'd wager that the stuff you stopped eating in regard to s**tty vegan food was the most healthy options you had.

Sorry if that goes against your theory.

The biggest problem with current dominant dietry advise is that its ALL propoganda and NO science.

Saturated fat dangerous? Well they're still trying to come up with the evidence for that one and if you have an inside scoop then you could make yourself famous as the 'great white hope".

I'd say most of my 'evidence' is anacdotical (SP?) at best. I have lowered my saturated fat...



Need more fibre? Well that one's being questioned too.

and increased my fiber. Now, I could go into a long, wonderful explaination of my bowel movements, but I'll just leave that detail aside and say that furthermore...


Need more protein? Actualy not even the dominant mainstream is claiming that our diets lack protein.

quality protein is not being consumed, or wasn't, by me. I changed that.


My BA in Journalism's worth of Bill Nye the Science Journalist conclusion:

A diet high in fast food, saturated fat, low fiber and poorly calculated protein (i.e. McDonald's patties, et al) netted me at 6' 300 lbs. This was with foot traffic commuting 5 miles a day, 5 days a week.

A vegetarian diet w/ controlled amounts of saturated fat (I don't go over 10g a day, period), significant fiber (50-60g a day) and well though out protein choices nets me at 6' 185. My exercise has gone up significantly too, but that is in part due to not carrying around a second person.

My conclusion is that lower saturated fat, more fiber and more protein helps in weight control.

But maybe your onto something, I'll change my legal name tomorrow to 'the great white hope' if the judge here in town lets me, I'll keep you posted!

Warmest wishes,
Santa

I recently started keeping track of the amount of sodium I intake (High Blood pressure). My doctor told me to watch the salt, but I never really looked at the labels to see how much I was dowing at a single seating. Last Sunday, I started keeping an accurate measure, holding my intake below 1200 mcg (normal intake varies between 1100, and 3300 depending upon whom is asked). This requires a great deal of portion control for all those "off the shelf" and "processed" foods. As a result of the reduction, on day 2, I noticed that I had dropped 6 pounds. I am assuming that this was my body getting rid of all the water I was retaining from the MASSIVE amunts of sodium I had been eating. Not only that, but I have reduced the amount of calories going into my body as a result of watching the salt. I will see Monday how this change in eating habits will affect me. I had dropped to 254 by the 19th of March, then had a sudden weight gain of 6 pounds. I was sitting back at 260, so hopefully this will shake my metabolism up and start the downward trend again. Now all I need to do is get started on some core strengthing exercises and maybe some upper body weight training.

Too much of this anecdotal evidence against saturated fat is actualy evidence against trans fats but natural saturated fat is being unfairly implicated. I've saved my own life by going onto a diet very high in natural saturated fats. I know that they are natural because I buy the raw beef or pork fat from my butcher and render it down myself.

I stay way, way, away from proccessed foods and there is plenty of it out there especialy for vegans on another note. Even buying a packet of trail mix is proccessed food. Nuts and legumes cooked in refined vegetable oils along with sulphur dired fruits. Raw nuts/legumes aren't healthy either so you need to go to the trouble of sprouting nuts if your going to eat them which I have done along with finding air/sun dried fruits withouth sulphur.

Also meat is a complete, healthy protein. Any suggestion that it isn't is just propoganda.

Regards, Anthony

Raw nuts/legumes aren't healthy either so you need to go to the trouble of sprouting nuts if your going to eat them which I have done...

WTF?? :rolleyes:

Yeah, I'm sure our prehistoric ancestors always sprouted their nuts before eating them. :rolleyes:


BTW, are you still using pork fat as a primary energy source during your bike rides?

Also meat is a complete, healthy protein. Any suggestion that it isn't is just propoganda.

Regards, Anthony

Meat, in the generalized conetation you've thrown out there...I will disagree.


Eat at 3 different burger joints, I have. Take a moment to remember the taste difference of just their 100% ground beef patty.

Now, let me take a moment and say that I actually took the time to ask each of my three selected burger joints why their meat was different than the others.

McDonald's told me that they had the best meat, obviously. But their meat is always referenced to as a percentage of water and soy. This is false. It is 100% ground beef, with a significant amount of water filler.

Burger King, same deal.

What a Burger, same deal.

So I asked myself, wtf is going on here. They all claim to be 100% ground beef, and I can only posit that their is a water solubility+salt difference in their patties.

I went and talked with a butcher, and he enlightened me. It 'is all in the cut, stupid,' he said.

There are 'bad choices' of meat. Be it too high in fat content from being sat on, et al. Consequently there are bad meats when choosing a good source of protein. So I maybe mispoke in my intent to say 'bad protein selection.' I humbly apologize for the misuse of terms, or wording.

Sprouted legumes tend to offer up their nutritional content better. Nuts are another mixed bag with me. I've never been a fan of the caloric load vs. the health benefits of eating them. Anything that is going to take up 200+ calories of my fuel load for a day better offer up some high quality power. I get that from lentils, kidney beans and pinto beans over nuts.

3) weights - building muscle mass takes a great deal of energy, and then the muscle burns energy while you read a book...again, the extra protein requirement means lean sources are freebies


I really agree on this. Just go to the gym and look for the people you want to look like. What are they doing for exercise? Seems like the heavier I lift, the fitter I become. All those people doing cardio seem to stay flabby all the time. Nothing burns calories like lifting and who doesn't need some extra leg strength? Start with low weight using good form and you'll be able to increase quickly.

later