Vehicular Cycling (VC) - VC acolytes, followers, disciples, etc.

Look it up yourself man - you started the thread (Use the search function ;) )- I'm not here to argue about a "method" that changes as the wind changes - just here to have fun pointing out your contradictions.
Okay, perhaps you are referring to the Cycling in the margins - food for thought (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=273328) thread.

I can't find the comment, "adjacent to a 12-13 foot lane", in this thread, so I still don't know what you're talking about.

Ok, now I'm confused. Which is not unusual considering JF & HH change what they say or mean more times then I change underwear.

I take one meaning of riding VC to be always taking the lane. At least according to JF & HH all cyclists should be doing. This means cyclists are in the lane of traffic causing passing motorists to either completely or partially go into the oncoming lane to pass on a roadway or slow down & wait until it is safe to do so.

This is how both JF & HH have described it, but I am waiting for their denial of this fact.

Guess what HH & JF I NEVER ride VC. Here's why:

I ride a recumbent, very slow to ride up hills. In my town, on my commute there are some serious hills I have to climb with fully loaded saddle bags.

One of these hills is on South Saint Aubin. after it crosses Glenn Ave. Between Glenn & Morningside Ave there is parking allowed on the one side, the side I ride on, of South St Aubin. For the 1st 3 blocks past Glenn Ave is a pretty steep but short hill. One that causes me to ride in my lowest gear. At best I can only do 4 mph up this hill.

Because of the wider roadway/parking lane on the side I ride on I am able & have to ride close to the curb in the parking lane to allow traffic to safely pass. South St. Aubin is a failry busy roadway through a residential area of town. For so many feet after Glenn Ave there is no parking allowed but after there is.

When I ride in the parking lane motorists can pass with out going into the oncoming lane.

Usually there are no vehicles parked on the steepest parts of the hill when I ride through & not until further up where the hill flattens out & I can pick up speed or it is easier for motorists to see up the hill to pass me in the oncoming lane if I have to merge to the left to pass a parked vehicle.

In other words for my own safety I have to go against the VC way of riding to keep myself form getting clobbered by a motor vehicle & to keep the peace between cyclists & motorists.

This IS NOT VC, it is how ever AC, or Adaptive Cycling, which is adapting my riding to the conditions I am riding in & not asserting myself to taking the lane because of & based on a principle that someone, (JF), wrote a book about.

I ALWAYS ride in an AC style. NEVER VC.

I know, I know, JF & HH will accuse me of going against the VC way of things & making it hard for motorists to accept cyclists rights to the roadway, etc, etc, yadda, yadda, yadda. I really don't give a ****. Especially because AC is how a majority of us ride.

If I am not mistaken there has been some good discussion about AC. Which, if I remember correctly, a majority of us here do when we ride. Maybe someone, other then JF or HH, should write a book on AC.

As with so many of the complaints on this list, your idea of what constitutes VC is inaccurate. I have never described VC as this. This description has come only from those who oppose VC, as one basis for their opposition.

Okay, perhaps you are referring to the Cycling in the margins - food for thought (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=273328) thread.

I can't find the comment, "adjacent to a 12-13 foot lane", in this thread, so I still don't know what you're talking about.

:lol: you got to put it together man, that thread and the comment you made in this thread about the road width and gutter cycling. I'm just saying, it hurts me real bad to see that you have a bad case of cycling inferiority complex.

:lol: you got to put it together man, that thread and the comment you made in this thread about the road width and gutter cycling. I'm just saying, it hurts me real bad to see that you have a bad case of cycling inferiority complex.
I dunno, maybe someone else is following this, but to me you're like the homeless guy on the corner laughing hysterically for no apparent reason.

I dunno, maybe someone else is following this, but to me you're like the homeless guy on the corner laughing hysterically for no apparent reason.

I love that guy.

I love that guy.
+1
His outsider status makes him a better observer of society. Of course the reason for his laughter is never apparent to us, because we're too absorbed with the issue of being "insiders":D

+1
His outsider status makes him a better observer of society. Of course the reason for his laughter is never apparent to us, because we're too absorbed with the issue of being "insiders":D

Aside from the fact that it is kinda fun just to see them laugh and think about your own craziness from their perspective, a valuable lesson was taught to me in my Academy by a wise old street cop who imparted that same thought about the homeless being outsiders. Many bums have provided the key information needed to solve major crimes just by being part of the landscape.

Many bums have provided the key information needed to solve major crimes just by being part of the landscape.
I didn't even think about that angle... their greatest weakness (being ignored) is their greatest strength (ability to observe people unnoticed)... cool

And then, don't forget, Robin Williams once saved Jeff Bridges life in the Fisher King. true story

That was such a great movie! gotta put that one on my netflix list.

I dunno, maybe someone else is following this, but to me you're like the homeless guy on the corner laughing hysterically for no apparent reason.

:roflmao: I'm sure he has a reason

BTW one thing I almost forgot to mention is part of my AC style is I do ride in the door zone if I need to, I do not assert my so called right to take the lane. This is within the laws & ordinances in my community. It clearly states cyclists are to ride as far to the right as is practicable. That means, for me, if I have to ride in the DZ while climbing a hill I do so. I have to do so while climbing the hill on South Saint Aubin.

One thing that can not be denied is: VC=staying completely out of the door zone.

I'm willing to bet others here do the same thing if they need to.

JF, HH have you ever done this? Do you do this now if you need to? Do either of you even ride bike anymore? When was the last time you rode?

Try to wrap your little VC warped minds aroung that concept JF & HH.

it's not that big of a deal. just keep your eyes open and be aware of the risks, and ride accordingly.

JF, HH have you ever done this? Do you do this now if you need to? Do either of you even ride bike anymore? When was the last time you rode?

Try to wrap your little VC warped minds aroung that concept JF & HH.
Are you going to challenge HH to a race?

Are you going to challenge HH to a race?

SNAP!! :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

That was such a great movie! gotta put that one on my netflix list.
(drop 'em, go with big blue, get 2wce the movies...just keep the NF registration, the website has a better engine)

Why do you persist in making fun of recumbents? Until you ride one, you just can't know how fun they are.

I'm a hot sexy lady and I ride recumbents!

Wow, what a visual that is.

SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY!

FREDFEST #1 featuring a Lemans start followed by a race to the nearest store that sells pocket protectors and culminating with a crit around the local latte shack.

Will Serge survive while riding a wedgie (pedaling at hampster cadence in too low a gear through intersections to "fool" cagers into thinking he's going faster than he really is)? Will N-C's uber circus bike *** (that rhymes with come but the word filter won't allow a legitimate use of the word) barcalounger escape being stolen by the carnies that are in town for just a day?

Come on down SUNDAY ! SUNDAY! SUNDAY! And see for yourselves!

http://www.paradigmhosting.net/images/winner.jpg

Dude, what's your obsession with my recumbent? You want her or something? Sorry I'll never sell her! No one but me rides her. Hell the only other people who ride her are the LBS guys who I take her to for a tune up, etc & they only do so if they need to take her for a test ride. You want a recumbent of your own ask questions about them in the recumbent forum, stay away from mine!

You're confusing obsession with amusement.

Shouldn't you be training for your big race?

What race? i never challenged anyone to anything, nor will I. Waste of time. Did some dumb **** volunteer me? If they did show the post for it. They also wasted their time, I DO NOT ACCEPT!!!

Pete seems crabby tonight

Are you going to challenge HH to a race?

**** NO! Waste of time & as JF would say just silly! And **** whom ever thinks I'm a chicken! They can kiss my lilly white ass.

Because they are goofy fred magnets that make me chuckle.



I've ridden one. Boring!



Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.


+ ONE MILLION

What race? i never challenged anyone to anything, nor will I. Waste of time. Did some dumb **** volunteer me? If they did show the post for it. They also wasted their time, I DO NOT ACCEPT!!!


You don't remember your challenge to smokers...and backtracking faster than the Italian army when I offered to take you up on it? Lots of other people do. :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

You don't remember your challenge to smokers...and backtracking faster than the Italian army when I offered to take you up on it? Lots of other people do. :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

But that challenge was from me, directly. I didn't back track, we could not agree on the logistics of the challenge. It still stands by the way if we can come to an agreement on when, where, etc.

With this so called challenge someone else is trying to decide for me, make my decisions for me & volunteer me with out asking me first. I do not take kindly to that. I hate it when someone else makes a decision like this with out consulting me first. I won't stand for it. I may have been more open to it had someone come to me first & said why don't you challenge HH &/or JF. Now there is no chance in heaven or hell of that happening.

N_C has decided to amend his race challenge and instead challenges Mr. Bow Tie and his acolyte to a "commuting" skills challenge, sort of a triathlon if you will.

1. A competition where the riders must pedal their bikes slowly within a circle while riding one-handed and play Mozart's Salzburg Symphony No. 1- Divertimento K.136- Allegro on an Airzound.

2. Target shooting: Riders must ride past a "scary person" target at more than 10 mph and shoot their defensive pepper spray at the head of the target. Scoring will be based upon impact area and the amount of blow back the rider receives. No crybabies allowed.

3. The final challenge will consist of all contestants pouring themselves into recumbent trikes and competing to see who will be the first person to ride down a double flight of stairs, while balancing a tall half-caf double decaf latte on their chest.

N_C is willing to wager three double Whoppers and a pack of gum.

Ok, I know this is satire, but I still do not accept. Thanks for the offer though.

N_C has decided to amend his race challenge and instead challenges Mr. Bow Tie and his acolyte to a "commuting" skills challenge, sort of a triathlon if you will.

1. A competition where the riders must pedal their bikes slowly within a circle while riding one-handed and play Mozart's Salzburg Symphony No. 1- Divertimento K.136- Allegro on an Airzound.

2. Target shooting: Riders must ride past a "scary person" target at more than 10 mph and shoot their defensive pepper spray at the head of the target. Scoring will be based upon impact area and the amount of blow back the rider receives. No crybabies allowed.

3. The final challenge will consist of all contestants pouring themselves into recumbent trikes and competing to see who will be the first person to ride down a double flight of stairs, while balancing a tall half-caf double decaf latte on their chest.

N_C is willing to wager three double Whoppers and a pack of gum.
I'd pay money to see that.....regardless of who was riding it!:D

Oh man, I'm gone for 4 days, and you guys put together the funniest thread evar, without me?!?! Time for me to catch up:


Did some dumb **** volunteer me?
That was me :) (Smart'r'n'you dude)


With this so called challenge someone else is trying to decide for me, make my decisions for me & volunteer me with out asking me first. I do not take kindly to that. I hate it when someone else makes a decision like this with out consulting me first. I won't stand for it. I may have been more open to it had someone come to me first & said why don't you challenge HH &/or JF. Now there is no chance in heaven or hell of that happening.
I took the liberty of drafting a training regimen for you; I'm sure you will like it. Also, I laid out your uniform on your bed, make sure you hike the green bike shorts well over your lily white derrier.


I won't stand for it.
That's why you ride a 'bent.


N_C is willing to wager three double Whoppers and a pack of gum.
How about the winner gets three double Whoppers and a pack of gum, and the losers and non-participants get nothing to eat. If you agree to the changes, then I am authorized to agree on behalf of N_C


Sorry I'll never sell her! No one but me rides her. Hell the only other people who ride her are the LBS guys who I take her to for a tune up, etc & they only do so if they need to take her for a test ride.
Does she act a little different when you get her back from the shop, after all the LBS guys have taken their turns riding her? Is she a little quieter then normal? Like her mind (or heart) is somewhere else...

Whew... I was a little backed up with rejoinders, it's nice to have a little release. Seriously, though, N_C, you make them too easy...

Does she act a little different when you get her back from the shop, after all the LBS guys have taken their turns riding her? Is she a little quieter then normal? Like her mind (or heart) is somewhere else...

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

Bet she rides a little funny. :eek:

Bet she rides a little funny. :eek:
Does the rear brake seem a little stiff for about a week?

ride down a double flight of stairs, while balancing a tall half-caf double decaf latte on their chest.

Can I put the latte in between my boobs? I think I'll have an edge with that strategy.

Can I put the latte in between my boobs? I think I'll have an edge with that strategy.

Uh, hot coffee on "tender parts..." haven't we been through that already...

Uh, hot coffee on "tender parts..." haven't we been through that already...
Naw, she's a dominatrikes... the PVC fetishwear encasing her "dirty pillows" has excellent insulation properties