Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - High school students capture assault on video

nice. Follow "protocol" and get some of this (via BoingBoing (http://www.boingboing.net/)):

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_10783.aspx
(for mac users, appears only to work in FF)

poor guy

the real haters arent here in the forum

:(

I wonder why the biker picked up his bike that high. It almost looks like he was going to hit the car with it.

Don't get me wrong, no defending the *** - hat but just wondering if anyone else had thought that.

i didn't really wonder, i mean it appears he was picking his bike up off the ground. Especially if he's upset, i could see lifting the bike that high while righting it.

that's sad. he took a guys tooth out because he missed a light. i hope he gets sued like a mofo.

and specifically, he picks his bike up that high after the other person kicked the wheel.

My biggest problem with the situation is that the victim says he's going to pray for the other man, maybe he is sick.

Have fun with your pathetic prayers. My response would have been if i see him again, I'm going to u-lock his face. But i guess the meek will inherit the earth! Stay subservient!

I thought he was going to try to get his bike in between him and the driver or maybe he was instinctively trying to cork the passerby's ;)

The only reason I would pic my bike up that high is to protect myself from some ******bag trying to punch me in the face. Where is Metallo P......., Carson on this thread?

thats messed up.

My biggest problem with the situation is that the victim says he's going to pray for the other man, maybe he is sick.

Have fun with your pathetic prayers. My response would have been if i see him again, I'm going to u-lock his face. But i guess the meek will inherit the earth! Stay subservient!

my biggest problem is the driver's uncontrolled rage. yours is that the cyclist didn't respond with more of the same. fair enough, i guess...

i thought he said he WASN'T going to pray for him

my biggest problem is the driver's uncontrolled rage. yours is that the cyclist didn't respond with more of the same. fair enough, i guess...

youdaman skelly

well put brotha

"oooooooooh snap!"

wasn't it also in toronto where those pictures of the fight between the messenger woman and a driver were taken, or was that montreal?

canadians are infamous for violence against the innocent

canadians are infamous for violence against the innocent

LOL

My biggest problem with the situation is that the victim says he's going to pray for the other man, maybe he is sick.

http://www.nanobit.net/~tjmarshal/pulp/jules/ezek2517.wav

canadians are infamous for violence against the innocent
http://www.nanobit.net/~tjmarshal/pulp/jules/ezek2517.wav

I wonder why the biker picked up his bike that high. It almost looks like he was going to hit the car with it.

Don't get me wrong, no defending the *** - hat but just wondering if anyone else had thought that.

From watching the video, it looked like the rider was picking up the bike in order to threaten to or actually throw it at the car's hood or windshield but was attacked by the driver prior to doing so.

and specifically, he picks his bike up that high after the other person kicked the wheel.

My biggest problem with the situation is that the victim says he's going to pray for the other man, maybe he is sick.

Have fun with your pathetic prayers. My response would have been if i see him again, I'm going to u-lock his face. But i guess the meek will inherit the earth! Stay subservient!

I am praying for you. Pathetically of course, but pathetically nonetheless.

First of all, you don't kick people's bikes.

Second, it's a front tooth, that's a permanent defilement. Don't tell me that doesn't matter, 'cause that's BS. There is no way he's going to get anything similar looking or functional as his own tooth. Ever.

Third: you can find the video on youtube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=8H0Pb_qjj6k
and one of the comments was: "maybe I won't buy a bike this summer". So I guess, self-important car driver with a sense of entitlement to punch people in the face. wins.

From watching the video, it looked like the rider was picking up the bike in order to threaten to or actually throw it at the car's hood or windshield but was attacked by the driver prior to doing so.

The cyclist picked up the bike after the driver kicked his wheel, which seems a threatening and provocative action - in such circumstances, the cyclist was not given a large number of options. I am not saying he couldn't have just walked away, but having had your rear wheel kicked so hard it flips away, wouldn't you react in some way?

Besides, it doesn't seem it would have made any difference; the car driver was coming, and nothing was going to stop him - and the bicycle's wheel was the first one in his path, then came the cyclist.

This is why we need backpack nukes for all. :beer:

wasn't it also in toronto where those pictures of the fight between the messenger woman and a driver were taken, or was that montreal?

Yep, Kensington Market and Queen/Bay.

wasn't it also in toronto where those pictures of the fight between the messenger woman and a driver were taken, or was that montreal?

That was Toronto as well. We have a serious road rage problem in this city due to a ridiculous amount of suburbanites filtering into the city through our amazingly poor road and highway network. We actually based our highway system off of LA. Seriously! So when drivers get in to the city after 2 hours of sucking fumes they are ready to blow their top and will. I have been assaulted twice by drivers, and had them threaten to murder me probably 5 times, and had them threaten to beat me up more times than I can actually remember. Not all Canadians are nice.

The cyclist, from what can be seen in the videos, is not at fault whatsoever, and did not make any threatening gestures or actions. The driver attacked him completely unprovoked. Whats with all the putting fault with the victim? He's an old dude on a bike who follows the rules of the road. get over it.

To give a slightly different perspective, I've generally just had oblivious drivers and never had it pass far beyond "you ****ing idiot/no YOU ****ing idiot" cock-swinging. I've never had a driver explicitely threaten me or "get out of the car" ... but I did have one guy tap my wheel as I was track standing (he wanted me to just pull the bike off the road so he could get around and make a right at a red - I didn't budge and he went honk-crazy). I myself have slapped a few cars that didn't realize others share the road with them and the most violent thing that's ever happened to me in the city is breaking my hand punching a truck that almost crushed me (he didn't see me at all).

So ya, they're idiots in Toronto but I haven't had any try too hard to kick my ass yet. Watch out for the left hook when someone hails a cab though - that one's epidemic downtown.

To give a slightly different perspective, I've generally just had oblivious drivers and never had it pass far beyond "you ****ing idiot/no YOU ****ing idiot" cock-swinging. I've never had a driver explicitely threaten me or "get out of the car" ... but I did have one guy tap my wheel as I was track standing (he wanted me to just pull the bike off the road so he could get around and make a right at a red - I didn't budge and he went honk-crazy). I myself have slapped a few cars that didn't realize others share the road with them and the most violent thing that's ever happened to me in the city is breaking my hand punching a truck that almost crushed me (he didn't see me at all).

So ya, they're idiots in Toronto but I haven't had any try too hard to kick my ass yet. Watch out for the left hook when someone hails a cab though - that one's epidemic downtown.


Those are the exact kind of actions that get me in trouble. I was assaulted because I slapped a guy's hood. and I have received death threats from flipping the bird. I guess I'm just unlucky.

Ya, there's got to be something going on there. Without examining it too hard, maybe I only pull that **** when I've got a clear exit in front of me and the car can't keep up after I retaliate. Or maybe I just stfu when it's a minor/typical thing and only lash out when they REALLY **** up. I'm pretty good at the "mom shame" look so maybe that keeps people quiet too.

what a dick
they oughta take away that guy's motorist license and make him ride a bike for a year

To give a slightly different perspective, I've generally just had oblivious drivers and never had it pass far beyond "you ****ing idiot/no YOU ****ing idiot" cock-swinging. I've never had a driver explicitely threaten me or "get out of the car" ... but I did have one guy tap my wheel as I was track standing (he wanted me to just pull the bike off the road so he could get around and make a right at a red - I didn't budge and he went honk-crazy). I myself have slapped a few cars that didn't realize others share the road with them and the most violent thing that's ever happened to me in the city is breaking my hand punching a truck that almost crushed me (he didn't see me at all).

So ya, they're idiots in Toronto but I haven't had any try too hard to kick my ass yet. Watch out for the left hook when someone hails a cab though - that one's epidemic downtown.

Those are the exact kind of actions that get me in trouble. I was assaulted because I slapped a guy's hood. and I have received death threats from flipping the bird. I guess I'm just unlucky.

It's realy simple (sadly): shapelike is probably a bigger guy than you are. Drivers who attack cyclists are mostly cowards, that have their rage well in check if the cyclist looks like he could actually cause some damage.

So are wife-abusing husbands, by the way: as soon as a bigger police officer or social worker come over to them, their rage suddenly deflates and they're the nicest people in the world.

Cowards are the same, anywhere you go.

It's realy simple (sadly): sharpelike is probably a bigger guy than you are. Drivers who attack cyclists are mostly cowards, that have their rage well in check if the cyclist looks like he could actually cause some damage.

So are wife-abusing husbands, by the way: as soon as a bigger police officer or social worker come over to them, their rage suddenly deflates and they're the nicest people in the world.

Cowards are the same, anywhere you go.

Well, I'm 5'10" and Shiznaz is like 6'14" ... we're both scrawny white boys (sorry, it's true) but maybe he started shaving. I admitedly look like **** these days.

PS. SHAPElike, mother****ers! You know, shaped like a shape ... or something.

From watching the video, it looked like the rider was picking up the bike in order to threaten to or actually throw it at the car's hood or windshield but was attacked by the driver prior to doing so.


Thats not what it looked like to me at all---to me it looked like he was picking it up to prevent the motorist from kicking it

what a dick
they oughta take away that guy's motorist license and make him ride a bike for a year







bikes aren't punishment...u-lock anyone?

Well, I'm 5'10" and Shiznaz is like 6'14" ... we're both scrawny white boys (sorry, it's true) but maybe he started shaving. I admitedly look like **** these days.
Umm.. there goes my theory, then. But did you really mean 6'14" ? That's... wrong.




PS. SHAPElike, mother****ers! You know, shaped like a shape ... or something.
OK, I edited my post and corrected it. Sorry!

Obligatory:

http://ofb.net/~epstein/sl/0501/20050102-ulock.jpg

Edit: and no, I was just being a jackass.

bikes aren't punishment...u-lock anyone?


ah, but having to fight to stay alive amidst a sea of ass hole motorists just might be

From watching the video, it looked like the rider was picking up the bike in order to threaten to or actually throw it at the car's hood or windshield but was attacked by the driver prior to doing so.

Are you people blind? He picked it up after the driver kicked the bike - he didn't want it damaged.

The cyclist picked up the bike after the driver kicked his wheel, which seems a threatening and provocative action - in such circumstances, the cyclist was not given a large number of options. I am not saying he couldn't have just walked away, but having had your rear wheel kicked so hard it flips away, wouldn't you react in some way?

Besides, it doesn't seem it would have made any difference; the car driver was coming, and nothing was going to stop him - and the bicycle's wheel was the first one in his path, then came the cyclist.

I wasn't putting the blame on the cyclist. It looked to me like he was protecting himself and was using the bike to try and do so. After watching it again, I take back my comment about him trying to throw the bike.

Are you people blind? He picked it up after the driver kicked the bike - he didn't want it damaged.

No. But we are mind readers? Looks to me like he wanted to throw. It also looks to me like he's a bit herky jerky and his body position may not have even remotely conveyed his intentions.

End of the day, normal society doesn't go around punching each other. Or at least shouldn't. To me that is the point and where the debate should end. The car driver was at fault. Assault is assault. Unless you're in Texas, which I will be, a person's body is more valued than a car or a bike.

bikes aren't punishment...u-lock anyone?
What they should do is make the driver ride a little pink girl's bike w/ a flower basket up front while bike messengers driving Yugos doing triple rushes swerve madly around him.

Umm.. there goes my theory, then. But did you really mean 6'14" ? That's... wrong.

OK, I edited my post and corrected it. Sorry!

I'm 6'4", about 145lbs, and I wear trim fitting cycling clothes most of the time. I am generally well shaven and look clean. I can't figure it out myself why people try to pick on me. Its really f**king annoying actually, because I'm generally a very calm person and I personally abhor violence and fighting. My weak point is probably that I am very stubborn and can sometimes act in a self righteous fashion. Its a self control thing. I can control myself to a certian point, but if I am being purposely harrassed I will eventually break and help to escalate the situation. But that is the same as most people and doesn't really explain why I am targetted so much. I'm stronger than I look and have had a few years of martial arts training so I can defend myself if I have to.

Are you people blind? He picked it up after the driver kicked the bike - he didn't want it damaged.

Exactly. I hope that most people see that, though.

This is why we need backpack nukes for all. :beer:

Oh ****. Here we go. "Which mess bag is best for my baby nuke" threads will start in

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I wasn't putting the blame on the cyclist. It looked to me like he was protecting himself and was using the bike to try and do so. After watching it again, I take back my comment about him trying to throw the bike.

I totally wasn't implying or suggesting that you put the blame on the cyclist, at all. Sorry if somehow it looked like I was. I might disagree with how you interpreted his movement, but I didn't think your comment was blaming the cyclist.

**** ulocks. slingshots for ranged attacks. hell yeah

I'm 6'4", about 145lbs,
http://masklinnscans.free.fr/4chan/holy_carp.jpg

You're one skinny mo****a

Yeah, you too can feel like a "Real Man"(tm) by threatening to beat me up or murder me. Boss pisses you off? Take it off out on me! Someone picked on you? Take it out on someone who you assume will be an easy victim (I won't be). The majority of people are absolutely pathetic. I may have to actually hurt one of them one day.

THE PLOT THICKENS:



Cop Charged In Bike Assault Road Rage Incident That Was Caught On Tape
Wednesday May 9, 2007
It was a crime caught on tape by some unsuspecting students taking video for a class project - a driver getting out of his car to allegedly assault a cyclist who prevented him from turning at a yellow light. The kids caught the entire thing as it unfolded at Queen and Bay on Tuesday afternoon and turned their evidence over to police. They've now made an arrest and the suspect is almost as surprising as the footage itself - he's a cop.

Constable Darius Tierman, a 21-year-veteran of the Toronto Force, has been on leave since October 2004. He turned himself in to 52 Division on Wednesday morning and made a brief court appearance at Old City Hall later in the afternoon.

Police accounts of the incident match what the kids' cameras captured. (You can see it In The Raw here). A driver is seen getting out of his car when the cyclist didn't go through the intersection at the amber signal, and then begins loudly swearing at the rider and honking his horn. As the students watched in stunned shock, he got out of the car, grabbed the bike and cold cocked the owner from behind. He then got back into the car and drove away, but not before everyone watching got his license number.

The cyclist lost a tooth in the incident, but otherwise wasn't seriously hurt.

It's not clear why Tierman has been on leave for almost three years, but the allegations he's facing are serious. He's been charged with assault causing bodily harm.

source: http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_10838.aspx

Oh you beat me to it! Oh boy....

The cyclist lost a tooth in the incident, but otherwise wasn't seriously hurt.


Losing a tooth is pretty serious stuff, expecially a front tooth. I'd rather have a couple of broken ribs, than lose a fron tooth. Broken ribs heal after 6 - 8 months (a bit painful, I've been through, hurts when you laugh (which makes you laugh even harder, which hurts even more)), a tooth never grows back.

Edit: I meant 6-8 WEEKS not months!!!!