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http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-bicycles_09tex.ART.State.Edition1.42a1e6f.html


OK I am posting this because the quotes are absurd.

Mr. Brimer called his amendment "a test to see how much common sense we have on this floor."

Mr. Brimer said, "If you're driving on a public road with no shoulders, you shouldn't be prosecuted. Bicyclists don't belong on those roads."

Mr. Patrick argued that under the legislation, "traffic would come to a dead stop" on many streets where there wouldn't be 3 feet of clearance.

"I have great concerns that you're setting up many drivers for potential lawsuits, or you're going to force them to impede traffic," he said.

Mr. Patrick also pressed Mr. Ellis on what a driver should do on a narrow two-lane street where there is no way to get past a bicyclist and leave 3 feet of space.

Accordignly to these baboons they don't even know the law. I really like the sound of this law.

AUSTIN – Motorists could be ticketed for not yielding one full lane to bicyclists on four-lane roads and at least 3 feet on two-lane roads under a bicycle safety bill tentatively approved by the Senate on Tuesday.

I don't think it is too much to ask that they pass in the adjacent lane no matter how big the lanes are. Why am I the only one who needs to share my laneon a 4 lane road? I can't help it if they have a speed limit I can't reach.
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AUSTIN – Motorists could be ticketed for not yielding one full lane to bicyclists on four-lane roads and at least 3 feet on two-lane roads under a bicycle safety bill tentatively approved by the Senate on Tuesday.

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Sen. Rodney Ellis, author of the bill given tentative approval, said its goal is to save lives of bicyclists.

Sen. Rodney Ellis, D-Houston, author of the measure, said it was intended to save lives of bicyclists – about 50 of whom were killed last year in Texas in accidents with motor vehicles.

"Most of those [fatalities] could have been avoided if this were the law," Mr. Ellis said, calling the current statute – which requires a "safe passing distance" for cars passing bicycles – too vague.

The legislation would require cars and trucks to yield the right lane to bicyclists where there are at least two marked lanes in each direction on a highway or street. On two-lane roads, the driver would have to leave at least 3 feet between his vehicle and the bicycle when passing. Commercial vehicles would have to leave at least 6 feet of distance.

Among the riders who have died on North Texas roads was Larry Schwartz, who garnered attention for riding 26,000 miles on his bicycle in 2002. Mr. Schwartz, 42, was killed in May 2003 north of McKinney, when he was clipped by the rearview mirror of a passing school bus.

That death and others spurred cycling groups to lobby for new protections on the roads. A bill similar to the one passed by the Senate on Tuesday failed narrowly two years ago.

Violations would be Class C misdemeanors punishable by fines of up to $500. If a violation results in bodily injury, it would become a Class B misdemeanor subject to a jail sentence of up to 180 days and a fine of up to $2,000.

Sen. Dan Patrick, R-Houston, led arguments against the bill, tentatively approved on a 24-7 vote. Final approval is expected today.

"I have great concerns that you're setting up many drivers for potential lawsuits, or you're going to force them to impede traffic," he said.

While Mr. Ellis said eight states have passed laws similar to his bill, Mr. Patrick responded that "41 states have decided this type of legislation is not needed."

Mr. Patrick also pressed Mr. Ellis on what a driver should do on a narrow two-lane street where there is no way to get past a bicyclist and leave 3 feet of space.

"Should I stop my car and hold up traffic, or break the law and pass him?" he asked Mr. Ellis.

Mr. Ellis said that current law requires a driver to leave a "safe passing distance" and that his bill would not change that requirement other than to specify what a safe distance is.

"Under your scenario, most reasonable people would say if the road is too narrow, if you want to pass the person, you have to pass at a safe distance. All I'm trying to do is put in a guidepost so that you won't end up with frivolous lawsuits," he said.

"Most people would consider 3 feet to be a minimum distance."

Mr. Patrick argued that under the legislation, "traffic would come to a dead stop" on many streets where there wouldn't be 3 feet of clearance.

The Houston Republican offered two amendments to the bill that were defeated. One would have exempted streets from the bill and covered only highways, while the other would have required bicyclists to have safety devices such as mirrors and rear reflector lights.

A third amendment offered by Sen. Kim Brimer, R-Fort Worth, was adopted on a 16-13 vote, eliminating the mandatory passing distance on two-lane roads without a paved shoulder.

Although Mr. Ellis argued against the change, Mr. Brimer said, "If you're driving on a public road with no shoulders, you shouldn't be prosecuted. Bicyclists don't belong on those roads."

Mr. Brimer called his amendment "a test to see how much common sense we have on this floor."


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maddyfish
 
I figure it is just a matter of time until bikes are kicked off the roads.


bragi
 
I figure it is just a matter of time until bikes are kicked off the roads.

If anything, the tide's going the other way; at least where I live, bikes are getting more numerous by the month, and local governments around Puget Sound are warming up to the idea of bikes as a legitimate part of the transportation system. I can't even imagine bikes getting kicked off the roads here. And as for Texas, despite the rumblings of some reactionaries, it appears, from the article anyway, that even in the Lone Star State some people are trying to expand the rights of bicyclists, not restrict them.


Scot_Gore
 
I figure it is just a matter of time until bikes are kicked off the roads.

The introduction and debate regarding this law leads you to conclude that it's leading to effort to ban us from the roads???????

It's a law that essentially affirms our place on the road. If anything it should lead you to conclude that the trend is for more and more access for bicycles on the road, not the opposite.

Scot


atbman
 
Why should Senator Patrick (hereinafter called Senator Numpty) believe that a driver should have to come to a full stop behind a moving bike?

Is the average 2-lane highway in Texas choc-a-bloc with stationary traffic? Will the line of oncoming traffic be so solid that there will be no gaps in it to enable the overtaking motor vehicle to overtake? do Texan cyclists proceed on their ways at a speed of zero mph?

If anyone on the forum understands Texan, please translate if I have misunderstood his comments


kjmillig
 
If anyone on the forum understands Texan, please translate if I have misunderstood his comments
Sorry, that ain't Texan he's blaberin'. That there's certified Politician Giberish (PG) , generally a localized language found in cities marked by a star on maps. While PG is seldom a native language, it's usually easily learned given the proper environment.


Frankinbiker
 
I commute daily in Texas and it is a constant battle with large trucks. City buses don't give enough space on a regular basis even though I will pass them at the next bus stop. I have daytime visible automobile scale light and turn signals on my bike. That helps a lot, especially when approaching an intersection. When I apply the brakes my rear light changes its illumination and like trained dogs the cars give me the whole lane. On days when my battery is at home or if it is extremely sunny I am not afforded this courtesy. I figure that they have lights for safety and so should I, especially coming home at night. But I find the more authoritative and purposeful I ride the more space people give me when passing. I use my mirror to see inattentive vehicles and move a little to the left. If I flash my brake light everyone gets out of the way just like they do with trash trucks and buses. Thin road bikes with no standardized vehicular lighting are hard to see. In addition to this law higher safety standards for bicycles would be nice. In August I move back to Japan where 90% of bicycles come with standard headlights. In the US I think one needs more than a simple dynamo light, but something is better than nothing. The small size of blinkies make them hard to see. put a blinkie next to a car taillight. Ask motorcyclist how invisible they are, and they can keep pace and have large lights.


BWT
 
I commute daily in Texas and it is a constant battle with large trucks. City buses don't give enough space on a regular basis even though I will pass them at the next bus stop. I have daytime visible automobile scale light and turn signals on my bike. That helps a lot, especially when approaching an intersection. When I apply the brakes my rear light changes its illumination and like trained dogs the cars give me the whole lane. On days when my battery is at home or if it is extremely sunny I am not afforded this courtesy. I figure that they have lights for safety and so should I, especially coming home at night. But I find the more authoritative and purposeful I ride the more space people give me when passing. I use my mirror to see inattentive vehicles and move a little to the left. If I flash my brake light everyone gets out of the way just like they do with trash trucks and buses. Thin road bikes with no standardized vehicular lighting are hard to see. In addition to this law higher safety standards for bicycles would be nice. In August I move back to Japan where 90% of bicycles come with standard headlights. In the US I think one needs more than a simple dynamo light, but something is better than nothing. The small size of blinkies make them hard to see. put a blinkie next to a car taillight. Ask motorcyclist how invisible they are, and they can keep pace and have large lights.

Can you tell me how you set up your brake lights? Maybe not in this thread, but somewhere, please!


rickbsgu
 
I lived in Houston for the last nine months and I can tell you it is the most bike un-friendly city I've ever been. I tried commuting (five miler) and regularly received cat-calls, horn honks, and motioned by drivers to 'get off the road'.

Combine that attitude with shoulderless roads, grates with slots inline to the direction of travel, drainage blocks that are inches above the roadway, broken glass, everywhere, permanent 'lakes' against ditches that never drain, and the commute is a real challenge.

They have a couple of nice trails, though.

Anyway, I have to give the senator credit and appreciation for trying to address a real problem.

I think the real need is to raise driver awareness that bikes are legitimate vehicles on the road.

Adding a couple of questions to the drivers' license test regarding bicycles and laws would be a good place to start, IMHO.

rickb


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