General Cycling Discussion - Truck drives over cyclist's head - helmet saves him...

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1120AP_ODD_Mangled_Helmet.html?source=mypi




MADISON, Wis. -- A delivery truck ran over a cyclist's head, leaving him only with a concussion and a mangled helmet. Ryan Lipscomb, 26, was shaken up, especially after he saw the condition of his helmet.

"I didn't see it coming, but I sure felt it roll over my head," he said. "It feels really strange to have a truck run over your head."

Lipscomb, a graduate student in medical physics at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, was riding swiftly down a bike path in Madison Friday afternoon. As he approached an intersection where he said he had a green light, he noticed the truck preparing to make a right turn in front of him.

The truck wasn't going to stop, Lipscomb said, so he slammed on his brakes, flipping his bike and landing in the street.

A moment later the truck rolled over his head - and kept going.

His black Giro helmet was flattened, tread marks visible on the cracked frame.

Not sure what else I can add about this. It reminds me of years ago when I was playing roller hockey, and some of the guys refused to wear helmets, or wore helmets without face shields. One day, someone took a slapshot that went wild and was headed for the spot right between my eyes. Fortunately I had a face shield - the ball bounced off and landed in my glove - I dropped it on the ground and play continued - no big deal. It still got me thinking though....

...Not sure what else I can add about this.....
Well, first you could get your facts straight: a bicycle helmet isn't built to withstand anywhere near the weight of a motor vehicle rolling across it--so the bicycle helmet most-certainly didn't "save" much of anything here.
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http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=298186

Helmet probably saved him.

You seriously believe everything you read?


http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=298186

Helmet probably saved him.

His head was probably spit out of the helmet like a banana out of its peel. With the helmet going under the tire and his head beside the tire.

So if he had no helmet on, his skull would have spit out of his scalp like a banana peel :eek:

I guess truth in news doesn't mean much in the Post Intelligencer.

The truck didn't run over his head. Yeah, he may have had his helmet crushed but it looks as if the truck was on the rear portion that the head isn't in.

http://www.madison.com/images/articles/tct/2007/05/12/45019.jpg

I'd call it a close call and a red herring. Attention should be better focused elsewhere.

Here was a guy on a bike missing an oncoming truck turning into his path. The issue isn't the helmet, it's what happened before the collision.

I guess truth in news doesn't mean much in the Post Intelligencer.

The truck didn't run over his head. Yeah, he may have had his helmet crushed but it looks as if the truck was on the rear portion that the head isn't in.

Sensationalized, exaggerated reporting. Makes for more lively, entertaining reading. Sells papers.

I agree, his head was not run over.

...Makes for more lively, entertaining reading. Sells papers...

...does nothing to prevent collisions like this from happening again. Ensures future sensational stories. More papers sold.

Well, first you could get your facts straight: a bicycle helmet isn't built to withstand anywhere near the weight of a motor vehicle rolling across it--so the bicycle helmet most-certainly didn't "save" much of anything here.
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+1 billion

God I hate stories like this.

So do I. And they keep repeating themselves.

A couple of years ago, in Calgary there was a similar story with more tragic results. On the front page of the Herald was a story of a cyclist killed by a truck making a right hand turn. The cyclist had been riding on a sidewalk/cycle path and was hit when the path intersected with the roadway. The story featured words like, it was a "freak" occurance, and there was nothing that could have been done to "predict" this happening. The cyclist did "everything" she could. She was wearing a helmet and was on a bike path.

Last year there was another story in Victoria, BC.

Barbara Sheldan was the most cautious of cyclists, and she was doing everything right...The 43-year-old mother was wearing her helmet. Her bike was equipped with front and rear lights...The accident happened around 4:45 p.m. Wednesday as traffic in the 800 block of Craigflower Road was bumper-to-bumper...Traffic had parted to let the vehicle...turn across the road into the driveway of an apartment building...(the cyclist was passing the backed up traffic in a lane to the right of traffic) the vehicle crushed and pinned Sheldan. Emergency crews could not even start first aid until a group of about six witnesses lifted the car off the ground, said Sylven.

"Unfortunately, as a result of the injuries she received, they weren't able to save her life," said Sylven...She and Tim had both cycled home for a couple of years, he said. "I'll be calling the biking quits because I'm the only parent these kids have now."

Now both these incidents mentions that everything that was done was all that could be done (mostly, riding in/on a bikelane/path and wearing a helmet) but all three stories don't mention that if the cyclist or motorist had looked for and seen one another and yeilded, there would be no tragedies.

Instead, we get this story about the helmet saving a life, so the message is not to ride responsibly and be observant and co-operative, the only right thing to do is wear a helmet, it'll save your life. History is bound to repeat itself.

In a perfect world everyone would watch what they were doing, equipment wouldn’t fail and folks would quit dumping their opinions (baggage) like it was somehow enlightened knowledge from some personal inspiration (or better) that the rest are simply to stupid to see.

It is totally conceivable and predictable that a helmeted head has a better chance of avoiding trauma than one without one. It is too bad this sort of story upsets some… I simply hope that other things get their ire as quickly, such as domestic violence, poverty and child abuse etc. (Save your shots and ignominy for the enemy.) Blessings.

Are you responding to the same post as the rest of us?


In a perfect world everyone would watch what they were doing, equipment wouldn’t fail and folks would quit dumping their opinions (baggage) like it was somehow enlightened knowledge from some personal inspiration (or better) that the rest are simply to stupid to see.

It is totally conceivable and predictable that a helmeted head has a better chance of avoiding trauma than one without one. It is too bad this sort of story upsets some… I simply hope that other things get their ire as quickly, such as domestic violence, poverty and child abuse etc. (Save your shots and ignominy for the enemy.) Blessings.

In a perfect world everyone would watch what they were doing, equipment wouldn’t fail and folks would quit dumping their opinions (baggage) like it was somehow enlightened knowledge from some personal inspiration (or better) that the rest are simply to stupid to see.

It is totally conceivable and predictable that a helmeted head has a better chance of avoiding trauma than one without one. It is too bad this sort of story upsets some… I simply hope that other things get their ire as quickly, such as domestic violence, poverty and child abuse etc. (Save your shots and ignominy for the enemy.) Blessings.


I don't quite understand your point. This IS a BIKE forum(where we discuss bike related matters), not the domestive violence, poverty and child abuse forum, though that would be interesting.......

It is totally conceivable and predictable that a helmeted head has a better chance of avoiding trauma than one without one.

well, that's a different thread, but check out these reputable links

http://www.bicyclesafe.com/helmets.html

Focusing on helmets distracts people from what's more likely to actually save their lives: Learning how to ride safely.

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_helmet

Evidence for the efficacy of helmets in preventing serious injury is contradictory and inconclusive.

In a perfect world everyone would watch what they were doing, equipment wouldn’t fail and folks would quit dumping their opinions (baggage) like it was somehow enlightened knowledge from some personal inspiration (or better) that the rest are simply to stupid to see.

It is totally conceivable and predictable that a helmeted head has a better chance of avoiding trauma than one without one. It is too bad this sort of story upsets some… I simply hope that other things get their ire as quickly, such as domestic violence, poverty and child abuse etc. (Save your shots and ignominy for the enemy.) Blessings.


I dont think anyone here is "dumping" their opinions or is upset... we are just being realistic. A helmet is good if you fall off your bike and perhaps bounce your melon off a curb or the roadway... but under the wheels of a several thousand, or even a several hundred, pound vehicle... c'mon. Even though some people pay well over $100 for a helmet, they will not withstand that sort of strain.


Good post on those links. Very interesting!

I dont think anyone here is "dumping" their opinions or is upset... we are just being realistic. A helmet is good if you fall off your bike and perhaps bounce your melon off a curb or the roadway... but under the wheels of a several thousand, or even a several hundred, pound vehicle... c'mon. Even though some people pay well over $100 for a helmet, they will not withstand that sort of strain.


Good post on those links. Very interesting!

Absolutely, plus the focus of the article turns a blind eye to the real danger (irresponsible riding) and draws attention to a false "cure" (helmets can withstand crushing from a delivery truck)

Absolutely, plus the focus of the article turns a blind eye to the real danger (irresponsible riding) and draws attention to a false "cure" (helmets can withstand crushing from a delivery truck)

+1 billion

I am sorry for my lack of detail, I am currently recovering from a big drop from my machine and will try and explain my point.

“Absolutely, plus the focus of the article turns a blind eye to the real danger (irresponsible riding) and draws attention to a false "cure" (helmets can withstand crushing from a delivery truck)”

I do not find the room to judge another’s behavior based on the little information given. In my recent accident the police tried to frame the event as my carelessness. (I was not there at the time and never met the man or he me.) The witnesses stated categorically that I was riding safely and the event was a failure of a bike part under high stress. (My chain snapped during hard acceleration, below the speed limit) My helmet saved my life literally as it bounced off of a car and hit the ground so hard I bled for several hours in my brain.

The point is, we all ride irresponsibly at times, who are we to judge an event we were not even present for? To call a helmet a “false cure” sounds more like false pride. Helmets are a wonderful, essential, addition to our kit. (I have to ask, what costs more, your stem or your helmet?) One can only be responsible for ones own actions; last I noticed I was in the minority of self willed beings on this trip through the world. And then there are the events like failed material things, all material things are subject to decay and evolution. One can only be so responsible, and then there is the rest of the world to deal with. Play the odds and wear protective gear for all the other moments we are not in control of, this is not a false cure, it is common sense. I suppose seat belts are there strictly because of the irresponsible drivers? Condoms do not need to worn by responsible sexual partners? If we all shake hands and agree to play fair no one needs to wear a helmet during sports? If every one else washes their hands why should I?

Your statement (probably like mine) overly simplifies the premises of what we do and why we do it and that is the danger, it becomes too easy to dismiss or trivialize the blessings.

As far as the delivery truck helmet, is it not conceivable that the riders forward progress was stopped by the helmet on the wheel which crushed it, and were it not for the helmet the head would have stopped the progress and hence it would have been crushed? To argue how the head came into danger is to miss the point; the awesome thing is that for whoever’s fault it was, a brother or sister gets to live another day and do what we love so well, ride a bike another mile, hold a loved one, scream at the NBA Finals, tell a story that may persuade someone to act more responsibly. They are compelled to believe it is because of the helmet, who are we to sit at home and second guess the experiance of the person who was there?

I find nothing false in any of that. “Love one another…” Blessings.

[QUOTE=Rocke][FONT=Times New Roman]I do not find the room to judge another

*don't cha just love the edit feature when you spot a spelling/typing error, add that extra letter, and your whole post disappears?*

Hey closet I'll just bet you're having a blast keeping up with the at least seven versions of this thread ;)

Naw, I didn't even bother to repost what I lost on the edit.

If your dumb enough to fall for the story, there's not much hope for ya.

(Pretty sad commentary from the press though)

Naw, I didn't even bother to repost what I lost on the edit.

If your dumb enough to fall for the story, there's not much hope for ya.

(Pretty sad commentary from the press though)

But you should expect that from the general press. Hell, they cant even get the weather right let alone any story. Thats why when I read a newspaper I take a sharpie, alternately cross out 2 out of every 3 lines... then read it. The story makes as much sense and you dont waist as much time.:D

The picture is a big deal because thats what people are going to remember. Someone (alive) holding up the broken helmet. No ones going to remember the guy could easily have avoided the collision if he had a little common sene, or that a helmet could never resisit that type of pressure or that the head wasn't in the portion crushed. Dumb people will see the picture and figure that's the story, dumb people will get out and ride their bikes the same way and die because of a helmets limitations and people will say, riding a bike will get you killed, better stick to a car and by the way, get those bikers off the road for their own good, they'll get killed out on the street.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1120AP_ODD_Mangled_Helmet.html?source=mypi



Not sure what else I can add about this. It reminds me of years ago when I was playing roller hockey, and some of the guys refused to wear helmets, or wore helmets without face shields. One day, someone took a slapshot that went wild and was headed for the spot right between my eyes. Fortunately I had a face shield - the ball bounced off and landed in my glove - I dropped it on the ground and play continued - no big deal. It still got me thinking though....

Yes, I think good protective gear is important. And there is a lot of room for improvement and enhancement in quality and effectiveness.

Helmets are good in some situations. They could also be improved. And there is other protective gear that gets ignored.

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Unfortunately, the newspaper story does a disservice (to some at least) by being inaccurate. There are so many other, more accurate stories that could make the same point, without the distraction of their implausibility or inaccurate nature.

"MADISON, Wis. -- A delivery truck ran over a cyclist's head, leaving him only with a concussion and a mangled helmet."

No, sorry -- it did not happen that way! Falsehood, plain and simple.

I've followed this story on other threads, and other websites, and something that strikes me very strongly is this:

Almost nobody bothers to take a good, close, objective look at the helmet in the picture. You can see where the tire ran over the helmet.

People go with their thoughts and speculations, and get lost in them... -- to the point of not even looking!

This is a dangerous tendency, and is responsible for many accidents and failures of observation.

People mix their ideas with observations -- it happens a lot. It happens very loosely and carelessly, and it distorts accuracy of perception.

It's also responsible for a lot of accidents (and this makes it a good learning opportunity -- to see this tendency in action, and move out of it).

It happens with car drivers and with cyclists and with reading stories like this. One person on another site said something like, "It's an AP story, it must be true." (!) -- which is another case of distorting facts and observations with assumptions.

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There is also truth, it seems to me, in what someone said about enhanced or improved riding skills and safety (and paying more attention to that field).

And what someone said about safety and soundness of equipment.

All are important.

Yes, I think good protective gear is important. And there is a lot of room for improvement and enhancement in quality and effectiveness...the newspaper story does a disservice (to some at least) by being inaccurate...Almost nobody bothers to take a good, close, objective look at the helmet ...People go with their thoughts and speculations..This is a dangerous tendency... it distorts accuracy of perception...It's also responsible for a lot of accidents...

I agree


There is also truth, it seems to me, in what someone said about enhanced or improved riding skills and safety (and paying more attention to that field)...And what someone said about safety and soundness of equipment. All are important.

like,

http://www.bicyclesafe.com/helmets.html

Focusing on helmets distracts people from what's more likely to actually save their lives: Learning how to ride safely.

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_helmet

Evidence for the efficacy of helmets in preventing serious injury is contradictory and inconclusive.

To suggest that this story will somehow impugn people to put on a helmet and ride foolishly under the guise that all will be okay is beyond ludicrous on many levels. Many very smart folks ride or drive carelessly at times for many reasons, fatigue, emotional upheaval, distractions, familiarity, etc. the list is endless. There are some plane silly folks out there that will try ones patience regardless. I would be more concerned that an individual believes that sense will somehow immune them from needing a helmet. The folks I ride with literally are professionals logging hundreds of miles a week, the best with decades of riding all over the world was hit three times in 10 days by erratic drivers recently. One could say that he has no sense working on a bike in a major city, but not that he is not a very heads up rider, yet he was hit 3 times in ten days. There are far too many variables outside of ones sense or lack of, that one cannot control. (As valuable and important as sense is, it is not enough.)


While you may think it is cool to call people names, (if only everyone else were as smart as you) I know of another person who believes he has all the answers, and somehow thinks that the rest of the world somehow got it wrong or are dumb for not believing what he thinks to be right. You may have heard of him, George Bush. A little humility on his part might have saved a lot of people there lives. Blessings.

so.....you don't see a common thread in the 3 (from Calgary, Victoria and Madison) news stories here?

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1120AP_ODD_Mangled_Helmet.html?source=mypi



Not sure what else I can add about this. It reminds me of years ago when I was playing roller hockey, and some of the guys refused to wear helmets, or wore helmets without face shields. One day, someone took a slapshot that went wild and was headed for the spot right between my eyes. Fortunately I had a face shield - the ball bounced off and landed in my glove - I dropped it on the ground and play continued - no big deal. It still got me thinking though....
I think the old Bell ads said it best: "If you've got a $10 head then wear a $10 helmet".

What if Bells products use less than $10 worth of EPS?

The cyclist states that it feels weird to have a truck run over his head. Is he lying, then? Yeah I guess he is. The truck ran over the helmet, not the head.

Maybe The Onion should have done the story;) "Darwin Foiled-Dumb cyclist spared certain death by unusually strong helmet." I think that's what you guys are getting at. Look, accidents happen. A perfect cyclist can get hit from behind at any time. A helmet may or may not help, but I'll be damned if I see how it could hurt.

The cyclist states that it feels weird to have a truck run over his head. Is he lying, then? Yeah I guess he is. The truck ran over the helmet, not the head.

judging from the pic, the truck ran over a portion of the helmet that the head was not in (the duck tail)


A helmet may or may not help, but I'll be damned if I see how it could hurt.

who said wearing a helmet hurt?

the idea that a helmet would resist being crushed by a truck and save a life better than riding responsibly would does hurt though

It's a delivery truck, how heavy can it be?

One of my brothers once got out of the family car before it had properly stopped and slipped (this was wintertime) in such a way that one of his feet became wedged or stuck under one of the rear tires. It took a couple of people to lift the car enough for him to move out from underneath it. Was his foot crushed? No.

For all of the helmet naysayers, look at all of the facts first; this is despite some of you saying the same thing but seemingly not doing so.

What if Bells products use less than $10 worth of EPS?
I'd worry that it works, not how much the components cost. http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/gearbox/motorcycle_helmet_review/index.html was pretty controversial when it came out, partly because one of the cheapest helmets gave the best protection. It made a lot of us wearing the more expensive helmets wonder if we would be better off wearing a cheap helmet, and cost the magazine a lot of revenue from some of the helmet companies that didn't like the results. The mention of lighter bicycle style helmets providing adequate protection was pretty interesting too, especially when Lawrence Grodsky http://www.stayinsafe.com/ liked what he saw.

So even though those results show that price isn't everything, the idea of taking the time to protect something of value still applies.

I'd worry that it works, not how much the components cost...

That's the point. Most people think they work in situations they never were made to. People pay huge mark ups because they think think they're getting something they're not. This story is a huge ad that misleads people and perpetuates collisions like the one it describes.

It's a delivery truck, how heavy can it be?

One of my brothers once got out of the family car before it had properly stopped and slipped (this was wintertime) in such a way that one of his feet became wedged or stuck under one of the rear tires. It took a couple of people to lift the car enough for him to move out from underneath it. Was his foot crushed? No.

For all of the helmet naysayers, look at all of the facts first; this is despite some of you saying the same thing but seemingly not doing so.

WHAT?!

I hope youre joking...
If not, let me rip your post apart.

First a delivery truck, weighs more than your average automobile and thats when its unloaded. At this time of day Im sure it was loaded.

Second, comparing a human head to a foot is completely ludicrous! Ill bet you all my bikes that I could run over your foot a half dozen times with a car and I wont "crush" it. Let me run over your head just once with a car... well lets just say you wont be doing anything ever again. The physical characteristics of a head compared to a foot is astronomically different.

As far as the "helmet-nay-sayers", I really dont see any here. I see a few people saying that helmets can protect but to say or rather, imply, that a helmet can protect you from getting your head run over by a truck is complete idiocy and reckless reporting.

BUT, if you want to prove them right I can borrow my company's truck and supply the test helmet. I just need a volunteer and a lawyer to write up the paperwork.

That's the point. Most people think they work in situations they never were made to. People pay huge mark ups because they think think they're getting something they're not. This story is a huge ad that misleads people and perpetuates collisions like the one it describes.

Yep, the helmet is only one piece of safety equipment, and the "loose nut behind the wheel" is often the main problem.

Many of us wear more expensive motorcycle helmets because they often are more comfortable to wear for longer periods of time. Fit and comfort are more important here than with a bicycle helmet - you don't need any more distractions when riding and you don't want something so uncomfortable that you don't wear it. I'm pretty skeptical on my bicycle helmet to do anywhere near as much good as my motorcycle helmet if my head ever hits something hard, but know it's a lot better than nothing when I'm out exercising. One of the people that convinced me I'd wear a helmet if I took up bicycling again (about a year before I did) showed me the scars from the halo brace he had to wear when recovering from a fall (while stopped and not wearing a helmet) on his bicycle. He always wears a helmet while riding now, whether it's his bicycle or one of his motorcycles.

edit; His fall was during a short trip close to home, the kind where people are lulled into a fall sense of security by being close to home and making a short sedate trip.

Yep, the helmet is only one piece of safety equipment, and the "loose nut behind the wheel" is often the main problem...

One of the people that convinced me I'd wear a helmet if I took up bicycling again (about a year before I did) showed me the scars from the halo brace he had to wear when recovering from a fall (while stopped and not wearing a helmet) on his bicycle. He always wears a helmet while riding now, whether it's his bicycle or one of his motorcycles.

That's nice. Last year I had a friend I've known for over 20 years trip and fall down the stairs and die from the injury he sustained to his head. No one has suggested he should have been wearing a helmet, but a few have suggested greater care could have been taken when he attempted to decend the stairs.

How it is that people read this story and not see a perfectly preventable situation that could have avoided but instead see a story about a helmet saving a life is beyond me.

I refuse to believe people are so short sighted.

If this guy flips his bike over by slamming his brakes, he is an idiot and needs to learn how to ride a bike properly. Better yet, he should be banned from ever riding again.

http://thatvideosite.com/video/2104

WHAT?!

I hope youre joking...
If not, let me rip your post apart.

First a delivery truck, weighs more than your average automobile and thats when its unloaded. At this time of day Im sure it was loaded.

Second, comparing a human head to a foot is completely ludicrous! Ill bet you all my bikes that I could run over your foot a half dozen times with a car and I wont "crush" it. Let me run over your head just once with a car... well lets just say you wont be doing anything ever again. The physical characteristics of a head compared to a foot is astronomically different.

As far as the "helmet-nay-sayers", I really dont see any here. I see a few people saying that helmets can protect but to say or rather, imply, that a helmet can protect you from getting your head run over by a truck is complete idiocy and reckless reporting.

BUT, if you want to prove them right I can borrow my company's truck and supply the test helmet. I just need a volunteer and a lawyer to write up the paperwork.

Hrmm...ok, let's go:

First off, you don't know what sort of delivery truck it was. My Dad's car at that time was a Caravelle...4-door sedan...look it up...you'll see how big it is.

Second, where does it say that a foot is actually stronger than a head? Maybe I should have made it a bit clearer in my post...my brother's foot was on its side with the vehicle atop of it...it wasn't caught "flat-footed".

The following proves you don't need no stinking helmet!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2S_rnKHJDA

" feels weird to have a truck run over his head"

Sounds like the perfect witness to me...

"How it is that people read this story and not see a perfectly preventable situation that could have avoided but instead see a story about a helmet saving a life is beyond me."

Basically because accidents happen, and retrospectively look perfectly preventable. Some people just don't care to do everything required to avoid accidents, while others won't do everything possible to minimize the grief they cause. Sounds like two legitimate approaches, why the former try to regulate the latter is a mystery to me.

"Second, where does it say that a foot is actually stronger than a head?"

A foot is certainly more streamlined as far as running over it with a 4-door sedan is concerned. I think one would catch more air popping over a head.

Why do the helmet stories get all the attention, when the no helmet stories don't? Maybe because they cater to the things we build up in ourselves as being true when there may be other explanations for them?

No mention of the man wearing a helmet when he was working under his truck.

http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pb...NEWS/707130322

Man survives pickup rolling over his head

July 13, 2007
BARNSTABLE — A 43-year-old man was taken to a Boston hospital by ambulance yesterday after a pickup truck he was working on ran over his head, fire officials said.

At about 11:30 a.m., the Barnstable Fire Department received a report of a motor vehicle accident. But it turned out the owner of a landscaping company was working beneath a three-quarter ton pickup truck trying to fix it when the vehicle suddenly rolled. A wheel went over his head and shoulder, Barnstable Fire Lt. Ed Guilford said. "But he's in great shape," Guilford said.

When the rescue squad arrived to the Millway address, they found the man smoking a cigarette with his crew. He had a tire track across his head, significant "road rash" and a missing patch of hair to prove he had been under the wheel.

Tests done at Cape Cod Hospital revealed no internal injuries. He was taken to Boston for some plastic surgery on his ear, Guilford said.

"It was really unbelievable," he said. "Someone was looking out for him."

That article got all of us talking/interested, which is the point of the paper, and that makes it a good article.

which one? helmet or no helmet?

One time at work my supervisor was goofing around with the forklift and ran over my foot,I was wearing those metatarsal shoes and those shoes saved my foot.I dont know how much a sit on forklift weighs,but the steel in the shoe saved my foot from being crushed by the forklift wheel.


riding a bike will get you killed, better stick to a car and by the way, get those bikers off the road for their own good, they'll get killed out on the street.

Get the cars off the road they have the potential to kill bike riders.Hopefully gas prices will rise high enough so I and many of you see it.

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