Advocacy & Safety - Cafepress message: "I don't share the road," with a car striking a bicyclist

How do you like.....

http://www.cafepress.com/bull(shi*)4u

The last part gets edited out by the filter. Put in bullshi* in the address bar. Put the t in where the asterick is.

What do you think of anarchy now? Dang... they don't have T-shirts in wicking nylon.

Here's the image...

image removed by mod due to language

Yeah, that one. If they had a shirt of that in wicking nylon I'd ride with it on.

So, in the land of the lawsuit.....


I wonder about people who encourage other people to do such actions. Opinions?

I feel like such a tattletale, I just sent a long email to the company explaining how the shop was breaking almost every line of their conent guidelines. This stuff really makes me feel kind of sick.

It sounds to me like someone needs to get laid.

Az

Here's the image...

image deleted


There. Fixed that for ya....

image deleted

Looks like it's gone now. Good job, guys. :D

It's still there (http://www.cafepress.com/bull%28%73hit%294u).


(http://www.cafepress.com/bull%28%73hit%294u)image deleted

Just sent this email to the company:

"Hi,

I noticed your "Stay the F*ck out of the road *******" merchanise. Two points:

1) These days, this counts as hate speech. Very unfortunate.

2) Perhaps the less enlightened think this is funny. As a cyclist I don't need anyone to provoke idiots to attempt to take me out when I'm out and about on my business, trust me. Most drivers are incompetent and selfish enough without any help.

I think you're letting yourselves down.

Regards,
Jack"

How do you like.....

http://www.cafepress.com/bull(shi*)4u

The last part gets edited out by the filter. Put in bullshi* in the address bar. Put the t in where the asterick is.
I just checked and they are gone. Unless you have an updated link, I think they were pulled!

I just checked and they are gone. Unless you have an updated link, I think they were pulled!


No they weren't pulled, the problem is that BF keeps messing with the URL because it has BullSh1t in it.

Try this:

http://tinyurl.com/3bm8d9

How do you like.....

http://www.cafepress.com/bull(shi*)4u

The last part gets edited out by the filter. Put in bullshi* in the address bar. Put the t in where the asterick is.

I think this is hate speach at worst, or inciting a crime at least. Here is the contact info for CafePress.com.

Call Us
Monday – Saturday
9am – 9pm EST

Toll Free 1-877-809-1659

Local/International
1-402-517-4480

Write Us

CafePress.com
Customer Service Dept.
950 Tower Lane
Ste. 600
Foster City, CA 94404

Yeah, that one. If they had a shirt of that in wicking nylon I'd ride with it on.

True. The meaning changes when worn by a cyclist I think.

So, in the land of the lawsuit.....


I wonder about people who encourage other people to do such actions. Opinions?

Doesn't make me think highly of this country when I see crap like this.

There is this bumper sticker as well:
http://images.cafepress.com/product/80208628v8_240x240_Front.jpg

Maybe we should look at the positive? A JAM warning sticker ;)

Al

Just got off the phone with Cafepress, they are working on pulling it......it seems they've fielded a LOT of calls, emails, and even got a call from the Justice Department concerning Hate Speech!!:D

Just sent this email to the company:

"Hi,

I noticed your "Stay the F*ck out of the road *******" merchanise. Two points:

1) These days, this counts as hate speech. Very unfortunate.

2) Perhaps the less enlightened think this is funny. As a cyclist I don't need anyone to provoke idiots to attempt to take me out when I'm out and about on my business, trust me. Most drivers are incompetent and selfish enough without any help.

I think you're letting yourselves down.

Regards,
Jack"

Very well done Jack.
Short, to the point and with no emotion.
Just the facts.

They need some BIG TIME feedback! Please call CaféPress at (877) 809-1659, Toll-Free, to let them know you find this type of behavior reprehensible, offensive, and irresponsible.

The message: "I don't share the road," accompanies a car striking a bicyclist. There are others:

http://www.cafepress.com/buy/Share%20the%20Road/-/cfpt2_/x_19/cfpt_/source_searchBox/copt_/y_8

It might be helpful to cite Café Press’ own policy on offensive content –

General Guidelines for Prohibited Content

· Content that may infringe on the rights of a third a party.

· Items that make inappropriate use of Nazi symbols and glamorize the actions of Hitler.

· Use of marks that signify hate towards another group of people.

· Hate and/or racist terms.

· Inappropriate content or nudity that is not artistic in nature.

· Content that exploits images or the likeness of minors.

· Obscene and vulgar comments and offensive remarks that harass, threaten, defame or abuse others such as F*** (Ethnic Group).

· Content that depicts violence, is obscene, abusive, fraudulent or threatening such as an image of a murder victim, morgue shots, promotion of suicide, etc.

· Content that glamorize the use of "hard core" illegal substance and drugs such as a person injecting a vial of a substance in their body.

· Material that is generally offensive or in bad taste, as determined by CafePress.com.

See post #18 in this thread:
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=301910

Sound like this new thread needs to be deleted/combined.

Al

See post #18 in this thread:
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=301910

Sound like this new thread needs to be deleted/combined.

Al

That's encouraging, but the items are still listed exactly as they were.

Mods, combine if you prefer. I searched before I posted this, but did not turn up the other thread.

I searched for this topic before posting, and didn't turn up this thread before starting a new one. Mine has the actual topic in the thread, so hopefully we'll keep up the pressure on these jerks.
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=302166

Natural reaction to the exploits of the radical VC'ers.
'Serious' and 'competent' bicyclists are the biggest
obsticle to overcome right now.

I'm not a fan of VC either, but this Cafepress crap is uncalled for and incites violence against all cyclists. Let's maybe try to stand together on this issue.

Just got off the phone with Cafepress, they are working on pulling it......it seems they've fielded a LOT of calls, emails, and even got a call from the Justice Department concerning Hate Speech!!:D

Woot! I got an email from them saying it violated their acceptable use policy and they said they would 'deal' with it. Lets keep the pressure on to make sure this gets pulled.

-Commuter8

Your an idiot. Sorry - this is the first time I've ever insulted someone on BF.



Not too late to delete this remark. It's out of line, and also against Forum guidelines. Please think about it. :)

edit--probably too late now.

This kind of thing really pains me, because so often we shoot ourselves in the foot by not presenting a united front when something like this happens. I agree with Lem that the strident VC philosophy has done a lot of harm in this regard. But it takes two to fight, as my mom always said. So let's try to put our differences aside when we can unite to do something that helps ALL cyclists.

See post #18 in this thread:
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=301910

Sound like this new thread needs to be deleted/combined.

Al

There wan't be enough threads or enough said about this. We need to reach to every club and every customer of CafePress and their vendor "Fantastic Bull****" so that they stop doing business with them. Pure and simple.

Even better, let's order some of these items and return them, on purpose. After all, they have a "30 days money back warrranty": "100% Money Back Guarantee On All Products:

Shop from home with the comfort of knowing that your order is backed by a 100% Money Back Guarantee. This 30-Day Guarantee gives you plenty of time to check items for color, high-quality, and size for yourself, family and friends. If for any reason you need to return or exchange an item, just contact our Customer Service department and you're done!"

Yep we're done CP & FB, how much are you ready to spend processing thousands of returns?

Not too late to delete this remark. It's out of line, and also against Forum guidelines. Please think about it. :)

edit--probably too late now.

This kind of thing really pains me, because so often we shoot ourselves in the foot by not presenting a united front when something like this happens. I agree with Lem that the strident VC philosophy has done a lot of harm in this regard. But it takes two to fight, as my mom always said. So let's try to put our differences aside when we can unite to do something that helps ALL cyclists.
I deleted it. Lem and you can keep it quoted or delete it as well. You all's choice.

(hey Lem, like that form of 'your' ;) )

edit: lawkd, delete your post and I will delete this, OK

Al

So let's try to put our differences aside when we can unite to do something that helps ALL cyclists.

Oh why can't we all get along! Maybe he just needs more L O V E.

You don't speak for me, I don't speak for you. Have your own opinion and don't think you represent me. I can represent myself just fine.

ugh.

Nastygram on its way.... these people will get NO business from me or any of my cycling friends.

Natural reaction to the exploits of the radical VC'ers.
'Serious' and 'competent' bicyclists are the biggest
obsticle to overcome right now.


I agree with Lem that the strident VC philosophy has done a lot of harm in this regard.
Maybe I'll help you understand why my emotion got the better of me.

I cycle vehicularly. I believe it to be the safest way to cycle in my environment.

I also consider myself a very courteous cyclist, sharing the road with all users. I go out of my way to let faster vehicle pass me when safe. I communicate with many drivers. I work hard to get along with everyone I am sharing the road with. I get significantly more positive feedback than negative from other drivers.
Of course there are times I temporarily cause other delay. This is not due to any politics or unwarranted desire to slow anyone down, its purely because I value my safety over the ultra-convienice of others. (I say 'ultra' as the minor delay I may occasional cause is hardly inconvienient).

To then suggest that a vehicular riding style is the cause of such cyclist hate is absurd and totally inappropriate.

I think it has been made clear over and over again that vc or VC is not about increasing driver tensions - so when someone makes such outrageous claims and should know better I got a bit emotional. Appologies.

Another reasons I said what I said is that injecting that thought has nothing to do with the topic at hand, it was just a low blow. Especially since many don't even want vc discussed in this forum. That kind of behavior is __________

(I also have no idea what you mean by 'strident')

Al

When you click on an image it now says this image is no longer available except “It’s the law of physics” and “I don’t share the road”

These need some work guys call (877) 809-1659, Toll-Free

When you click on an image it now says this image is no longer available except “It’s the law of physics” and “I don’t share the road”

These need some work guys call (877) 809-1659, Toll-Free
They are still there when I use this link:
http://tinyurl.com/3bm8d9

Al

.. I called them. Did you, al?

.. I called them. Did you, al?
Of course. Why would you think otherwise, how else could I make an order for 100. ;)

(seriously, I did to register disatistaction and requsest they be pulled)

Now its just the "I don't share the Road" T-shirt. Not so bad as it is not cyclists specific.

Al

quit yer bickering, this is not a VC issue

quit yer bickering, this is not a VC issue
Totally agree.
I will remove, fully delete, every single one of my off topic posts if Lawkid does as well. (as they quote me)

edit3: I deleted most, lawkd needs to delete some post before I can finish deleting my OT posts.

Al

Just got off the phone with Cafepress, they are working on pulling it......it seems they've fielded a LOT of calls, emails, and even got a call from the Justice Department concerning Hate Speech!!:D

you can still find the images but the products are all marked "No Longer Available"

The products were still there a minute ago, now they're completely gone. I've gotten a bunch of emails about this. Apparently the phone/email campaign worked.

http://www.cafepress.com/bull%28%73hit%294u

They are still there when I use this link:
http://tinyurl.com/3bm8d9

Al
Not any more.

I agree with Lem that the strident VC philosophy has done a lot of harm in this regard.
The original point of this thread is moot since the items have been removed.

Can lawkd or someone explain what is meant by "the strident VC philosophy has done a lot of harm in this regard".

Can we really not get past the simplistic and highly inaccurate impression of VC to mean wantonly riding down the middle of the road without regard to how we impact others when doing so?

I just checked on 5/25/07 at 3:46 eastern time. The items are still there.

Will Cafepress have to be sued to get this stuff out?

I think you need to refresh/clear your cache.

With IE, a CTRL KEY + F5 will make sure your getting a fresh view.

Not any more.
I get different results each time I try but it looks like at least most items are still there. They could be suffering from server overload from all the internet traffic they generated.

Yes, now it looks like it's there, but it disappears when I try to add it to my basket.

Shopping Cart
Sorry!
The product ordered, the size set, or the qty set is not valid, or not understood by the computer!

It's gone for my browser!

Well... let's give them some time to remove it.

Frankly, I'm rather impressed with CafePress.
They were made aware, and they seem to be reacting.

Clear your cache and refresh the browser.....they are GONE!:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I get different results each time I try but it looks like at least most items are still there. They could be suffering from server overload from all the internet traffic they generated.

The site won't let me add one to my shopping cart. Seems like they are trying to take it down.

"Hate crimes are message crimes. They are different from other crimes in that the offender is sending a message to members of a certain group that they are unwelcome."
- Dr. Jack McDevitt, criminologist

Clear your cache and refresh the browser.....they are GONE!:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Appears that way now.

Unfortunately I expect them to show up somewhere again in the internet marketplace.

Al