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The news report just out reads that the winner of the 1996 Tour De France Riis from Denmark, admitted to having used EPO. He is such a brave man that even said that they can come and take his title and his jersey. This is the new wave. Riders are tired of being forced into a double standard. They must take the drugs if they are to win, but they know it's wrong and dangerous. A few more of these confessions and some improved testing and maybe, just maybe we can have cycling athletes who win without risking their lives and dignity.
Trouduc
05-25-07, 10:24 AM
The news report just out reads that the winner of the 1996 Tour De France Riis from Denmark, admitted to having used EPO. He is such a brave man that even said that they can come and take his title and his jersey. This is the new wave. Riders are tired of being forced into a double standard. They must take the drugs if they are to win, but they know it's wrong and dangerous. A few more of these confessions and some improved testing and maybe, just maybe we can have cycling athletes who win without risking their lives and dignity.
+1 Lance, Landis, Tyler the ball is in your camp!
cat0020
05-25-07, 10:45 AM
Does this mean that Riis would be stripped of his Tour de Frnace victory? who was second place in 1996? Ullrich, that's a doper, too.. and third place? Virenque.. another doper.. I wonder how many Tour de France champs will/should be stripped away of their victories?
Former dopers admitting to doping/cheating to win do not deserve bravo..
Does this mean that Riis would be stripped of his Tour de Frnace victory? who was second place in 1996? Ullrich, that's a doper, too.. and third place? Virenque.. another doper.. I wonder how many Tour de France champs will/should be stripped away of their victories?I don't think anyone should. I think there should be amnesty and a clean start with a better, more transparent system going forward. There is a lot more room for improvement that will make the labs less suspect and the riders more confident in the system. Both sides are awful.
cat0020
05-25-07, 11:01 AM
Maybe Indurain would have won his 6th Tour, is it fair that he was competing against riders who cheated and lost? Did he not suffer just as Riis, Ullrich or Virenque?
http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~walpole/pics/Indurain_96.jpg
johnny miles
05-25-07, 11:32 AM
How do you know for sure that Indurain did not cheat?
hoo_koo
05-25-07, 12:26 PM
Does this mean that Riis would be stripped of his Tour de France victory? who was second place in 1996? Ullrich, that's a doper, too.. and third place? Virenque.. another doper..
Since we're speculating, I wonder if the ASO wouldn't in fact "look the other way" in Virenque's case-- and allow ol' Spotted Dick to back into France's first Tour winner since the Badger in '85... :rolleyes:
...and continuing down the '96 GC list you've got:
4. Laurent Dufaux (SUI) Festina
5. Peter Luttenberger (AUT) Carrera
6. Luc Leblanc (FRA) Polti
7. Piotr Ugrumov (LAT) Roslotto
8. Fernando Escartin (SPA) Kelme
9. Abraham Olano (SPA) Mapei
10. Tony Rominger (SUI) Mapei
11. Miguel Indurain (SPA) Banesto
dwainedibbly
05-26-07, 02:45 AM
Ulrich for the win. (He hasn't admitted to, or been found to have been, cheating back in 1996, right?)
So does this mean Riis will get a 4 year ban from participating with a pro tour team? Will CSC need to find a new DS?
There is an 8 yr statute of limitations so he can not be sanctioned. Hmmm.. it's been 9 yrs now. Now it looks like Ullrich's case might get dropped as well since it seems the entire Telekom\T-Mobile organization was dopping and how can you focus only on the rider when management was bringing the dope in.
xerocoma
05-26-07, 09:42 AM
I believe it was announced that it's been too long ago to strip Riis of the title but that they may append the race results to indicate "no winner".
???
Uh, yeah, well, some of the Brits who rode on the continent in the 1950s complained about the drugs they found the riders taking.
Simpson died in the 1960s - and cycling has always pretended he was the only one doping during that era, because it was "good for the sport" to advance such a fantasy.
So Andreu and Riis wait until the statue of limitations runs out and come clean - surely a defensive move to protect their current jobs.
As we all know the only Tour winner who never doped was LeMond. Not so sure about that? Just ask him.
TCS
ShuaMarc
05-26-07, 10:51 PM
Does this mean that Riis would be stripped of his Tour de Frnace victory? who was second place in 1996? Ullrich, that's a doper, too.. and third place? Virenque.. another doper.. I wonder how many Tour de France champs will/should be stripped away of their victories?
On the Spokesmen podcast they suggested calling it a "Non-win." It doesn't make since to go down that far in the order.
Same thing might happen to 2006 if Landis gets it because Oscar Ferrera has been implicated in Puerto last I heard.
Keith99
05-30-07, 05:16 PM
As we all know the only Tour winner who never doped was LeMond. Not so sure about that? Just ask him.
TCS
I don't think Greg said too much about doping before his time, and I do not recall any allegations from Greg about Hinault. Considering the bad blood between them Greg surely would have said things pretty loudly if he thought Bernard was doping.
And at least so far no one here has said I'm wrong when I put up Gino Bartali as a good candidate for never doped.
I don't think Greg said too much about doping before his time, and I do not recall any allegations from Greg about Hinault. Considering the bad blood between them Greg surely would have said things pretty loudly if he thought Bernard was doping.
And at least so far no one here has said I'm wrong when I put up Gino Bartali as a good candidate for never doped.
no one talked about doping back then. you aren't attracted to pro cycling if you are against doping. lemond knows that he is safe from any doping allegations and he's out to prove that he is the best american cyclist ever because he didn't dope and if he didn't get shot he would have won at least three more tours.
remember how the guy when out?
kicking and screaming and blaming the buckshot.
lemond is a total victim. the special they did on him during the last tour was depressing. lemond had someone to blame for everything bad that ever happened in his life except himself.
ed rader
Leaky Gas
06-25-07, 05:04 PM
If Riis is so brave, how come he waited for more than a decade to fess up, until after he and the rest of the new-wave blow-hards had held forth on the dawning of a new, clean era in cycling, blah, blah. The fact that the news was breaking regarding Telekom/T-Mobile and systematic doping within the team didn't have anything to do with his brave confession, did it?
djgonzo007
06-25-07, 10:06 PM
If Riis is so brave, how come he waited for more than a decade to fess up, until after he and the rest of the new-wave blow-hards had held forth on the dawning of a new, clean era in cycling, blah, blah. The fact that the news was breaking regarding Telekom/T-Mobile and systematic doping within the team didn't have anything to do with his brave confession, did it?
Exactly, I don't get what he did that took courage or bravery?
mjolniir
06-26-07, 06:51 AM
Exactly, I don't get what he did that took courage or bravery?
The fact that he didn't have to do it, i.e. confess.
The fact that in confessing he would be risking losing sponsorship, and his winning proteam.
The fact that he most definitely would be criticized for coming out and admitting he doped.
It would have been a lot easier for him to keep his mouth shut, keep on being open about how Team CSC is drug free and let his team keep on winning.
As it is, he almost lost sponsorship from CSC and Cervelo. Takes a big man to admit his mistakes on the world stage.
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