Road Bike Racing - The only possible solution to doping

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donrhummy
05-25-07, 11:36 AM
There's only one way to minimize doping (note I did not say eliminate it): You set a minimum time to finish the race and anyone who's faster than that is elminated. So basically you're saying something like: "Whoever crosses the finish line first in 98 hours or more (and NOT less) wins the race. If you finish in 97 hours you're disqualified." And you'd do the same for every stage too. That's it. There's no other solution.


mollusk
05-25-07, 12:21 PM
So can you get time bonuses where they ADD time?:rolleyes:

DocRay
05-25-07, 12:30 PM
That is the single dumbest suggestion I've read to date. So rider's are incapable of slowing down?


Enthalpic
05-25-07, 12:33 PM
That is the single dumbest suggestion I've read to date. So rider's are incapable of slowing down?

Agreed.

HillMut
05-25-07, 01:42 PM
A horrible, horrible idea this is.
Someone mentioned public hangings... thats a start.

PedalMasher
05-25-07, 01:46 PM
Make the races easier so riders don't feel the need to dope.

Duke of Kent
05-25-07, 01:48 PM
If the races are easier, then they just go faster...and to get faster, they take PEDs.

I can't believe I've responded to this thread...

recursive
05-25-07, 03:41 PM
Just make the slowest person the winner, but give everyone a medal for effort and personal achievement.

Then there will be none of that negativity.

donrhummy
05-25-07, 08:04 PM
You're all missing the point. I'm not actually suggesting it, what I'm saying is that this is the only way to truly stop doping. In other words, there's no way to stop it without changing the competition itself. Testing obviously doesn't work and you're not gonna get the riders to stop as long as they make money off winning.

mollusk
05-25-07, 08:24 PM
You're all missing the point. I'm not actually suggesting it, what I'm saying is that this is the only way to truly stop doping. In other words, there's no way to stop it without changing the competition itself. Testing obviously doesn't work and you're not gonna get the riders to stop as long as they make money off winning.

To stop doping you would have to change the culture of bike racing. In golf the culture is that you just don't cheat. In order to stop doping in cycling you would need to develop the same sort of culture. In other words it would have to become a middle class activity. While it is moving in that direction in the US, I don't see it happening worldwide.

donrhummy
05-25-07, 08:36 PM
To stop doping you would have to change the culture of bike racing. In golf the culture is that you just don't cheat. In order to stop doping in cycling you would need to develop the same sort of culture. In other words it would have to become a middle class activity. While it is moving in that direction in the US, I don't see it happening worldwide.

See that other post (somewhere on bikeforums) where they show that a number of golfers are doping.

And baseball is definitely an upper middle class sport yet they've got plenty of drug use.

urbanknight
05-25-07, 08:54 PM
You have just wasted 10 precious seconds of my life :p

botto
05-26-07, 01:23 AM
There's only one way to minimize doping (note I did not say eliminate it): You set a minimum time to finish the race and anyone who's faster than that is elminated. So basically you're saying something like: "Whoever crosses the finish line first in 98 hours or more (and NOT less) wins the race. If you finish in 97 hours you're disqualified." And you'd do the same for every stage too. That's it. There's no other solution.

incorrect.

doofo
05-26-07, 04:01 AM
That is the single dumbest suggestion I've read to date. So rider's are incapable of slowing down?

youve obviously never doped!

donrhummy
05-26-07, 08:04 AM
incorrect.

OK, name it then.

botto
05-26-07, 08:07 AM
OK, name it then.

i'll leave the backseat driving to you.

donrhummy
05-26-07, 08:12 AM
i'll leave the backseat driving to you.

Nice try. You obviously are "back seat critiquing" as you've stated this solution is not the only one and there's another way. To claim that, you must KNOW of another way. What is it?

pcates
05-26-07, 11:37 AM
the only solution is to replace the riders with robots......robots with guns.

Lithuania
05-26-07, 11:57 AM
And baseball is definitely an upper middle class sport yet they've got plenty of drug use.

I wonder if all those dominican and latin american players would agree with you.

mollusk
05-26-07, 12:41 PM
I wonder if all those dominican and latin american players would agree with you.

Aren't they all Ivy League guys?:rolleyes:

vantassell
05-27-07, 02:38 AM
If you're not cheating, you're not trying hard enough

mezza
05-27-07, 06:36 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again - Just let em dope. Juice em up and watch them go!!

2 leagues...

One showboating WWF style league for the juicers and a 2nd league that is clean and tested.

ElJamoquio
05-27-07, 07:39 PM
That would be like the current league that's tested?

rruff
05-27-07, 07:53 PM
One showboating WWF style league for the juicers and a 2nd league that is clean and tested.

If it was possible to ensure that someone was clean via testing, all the pros would be clean now.