Electric Bikes - eBike videos

When eBikes in Ontario became legal, an Ottawa newspaper made THIS VIDEO (http://cyclesantamonica.blogspot.com/2007/05/e-bikes-canada.html) which is worth watching to answer some quick questions.

There's a few youtube videos on eBikes as well which I will post links to in the upcoming days.
Post some of those videos if you have 'em.

I'm really interested in electric bikes. That was a good video. 20mph would be fine by me for assistance during a commute.

heres one

cheers

reg2u.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJqVRO5zUkA

Here's a few more eBike videos on Youtube:

REALLY COOL MUSIC VIDEO OF KMX TRIKE WITH BIONX (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQb0vCiem6Y)
ONBOARD A KMX ELECTRIC TRIKE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okMqaObgkZA)
KMX ELECTRIC TRIKE IN THE SNOW (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwL6tg9p8Go)
GO ELECTRIC: BIKE COMMUTING MADE EASY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9GPxvP9VGY)
EBIKE VS CAR COMMUTE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfyJZ6lTm84)
NANO ELECTRIC FOLDING BIKE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAM-Oh-gfrM)

And I love this one because my own eBike is a mountain bike

MOUNTAIN EBIKE VS 2 CONVENTIONAL MOUNTAIN BIKES (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLj2G421Dbg)

I added a new one on youtube: ONBOARD MY BIONX EBIKE ON A PAVED TRAIL IN THE WOODS (http://youtube.com/watch?v=aG4n97709Uo)
And another one: ONBOARD MY BIONX AS I CHASE DOWN A MTB (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y6gd7yCJDBw)

Hi, cool video I play with bikes like that sometimes, its better to stay behind them coughing and making noises! ha ha it really gets them going! how fast does the Bionx go? 30mph on my bike is easily good enough to see off even the best of local cyclists however those tour de france riders can do 45-50mph on the flat!! X5 at 72V would be needed!! ha ha, could you have overtaken this guy?

Cheers

Knoxie

Hi, cool video I play with bikes like that sometimes, its better to stay behind them coughing and making noises! ha ha it really gets them going! how fast does the Bionx go? 30mph on my bike is easily good enough to see off even the best of local cyclists however those tour de france riders can do 45-50mph on the flat!! X5 at 72V would be needed!! ha ha, could you have overtaken this guy?

Cheers

Knoxie

He was only doing 32 km/h or something close to that. When I pulled up behind him I was doing 38 km/h and still accelerating. I had to back off.

I actually did pull away from him a bit later on but my camera's memory filled up. Keep in mind that this isn't with a camcorder; this is with a 5.0MP digital point and shoot in video mode. I used the Canon digital Elph SD30 as seen here:

http://www.gearlive.com/blogimages/Canonsd30.jpg

So my 2.0GB SD card filled up because I didn't delete the morning video as I was heading into work. a 2.0GB card will only hold about 47 mins of 640X480 video from the SD30. Too bad really... the passing was nice because I pull up along side him and you probably could've heard me say: "...Passing...". And later on when I got to an intersection I pointed the camera the other way and said :" see that little speck down the road... that's him.". Of course I didn't notice the camera had stopped recording though. Grrrr.... :crash:

Hi

Yes I use a little canon for all my movies as well, nice and small and very rugged, I must go out and do some chase videos, there just isnt many bikers around here, I sometimes see one out on the open road and its so much fun, I know its totally unfair but its still fun.

At 72V on my puma I can chase and beat mopeds easily, even at 48V I can beat most gassers less than 125CC from a dead start up to 20mph or so! so cyclists I normally leave alone and give them plenty of room, some folks are quick on normal bikes though, I can push 25mph peddling on my electric bike as well on a nice flat road.

Cheers

Knoxie

Ebiking through the streets of Paris.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x39wo4_velo-dans-paris-un-jour-de-greve

Ebiking through the streets of Paris.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x39wo4_velo-dans-paris-un-jour-de-greve

Nice, but I wouldn't try some of those maneuvers in the USA. You might find a limb missing... ;)

One of the most astounding things about that video is it just highlights the complete prominence of cycling in most other countries in contrast to North America. In the average 20-30 minute ride here, I see less cyclists than there are in 90 seconds of that video, less even.

A lot of them are kids/men on mountain bikes with no helmet, no safety lights or reflectors, riding on the sidewalk and carrying no racks/gear with them. Over here, cycling isn't seen as something for both pleasure and utility. Its almost entirely recreational, and there's generally a great fear of even attempting to traverse the roads.

I'm really interested in electric bikes. That was a good video. 20mph would be fine by me for assistance during a commute.In my neck of the woods aferageing 20 mph after sightseeing is a great speed.
http://tinyurl.com/222xb8

Nice, but I wouldn't try some of those maneuvers in the USA. You might find a limb missing... ;)
Actually, a girl got creamed in Paris not long ago doing exactly what he did there, barely squeezing by the right of a large truck that's moving in the right most lane, right next to the street corner on a narrow street.

Filtering is great, but if you don't know how to do it and you make a move like that, its asking for an early obituary. I hope she made it, at least.

Ebiking through the streets of Paris.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x39wo4_velo-dans-paris-un-jour-de-greve

Man, that is awesome! Whoever is on that bike has some serious guts. No fear whatsoever...

Anyone know what kind of bike/motor/etc it is? Seems to be moving pretty quick...

In my neck of the woods aferageing 20 mph after sightseeing is a great speed.
http://tinyurl.com/222xb8

I can't normally spend so much time watching videos, but this one is a treat. Good commentary, nice scenery, and about .4 AH/ mile. Good work ... :)

In my neck of the woods aferageing 20 mph after sightseeing is a great speed.
http://tinyurl.com/222xb8

That is a great video man. I would absolutely love to ride there. You are living the life!

What kind of bike/motor/batteries/etc are you using in that video?

That is a great video man. I would absolutely love to ride there. You are living the life!

What kind of bike/motor/batteries/etc are you using in that video?Thanks,but since I set the worlds record climbing the steapest road in the world to 10.005 ft on electric battery power,ebikes are now Illegal in Hawaii.The garage made alternator motors I made for my ebikes and the 3 speed system is still a 1 of a kind that only I use to check the surf or go up mountain trails around my home where the road trip video was taken. So far there has been much interest to produce such a complete ebike but still 0 funds.I hate business LOL .. and jelous people hate me and my heavy 65 lb Huffy ebike that goes 45 mph on the flats..
Other things I do to keep busy and have fun..
http://theshaperstree.com/hawaii/draper.asp
http://theshaperstree.com/hawaii/index.asp
http://www.sailmaui.com/psc_article01.pdf

.. and jelous people hate me and my heavy 65 lb Huffy ebike that goes 45 mph on the flats..


err...no. People "hate" you because you're obnoxious and you irritate them.

err...no. People "hate" you because you're obnoxious and you irritate them.

Its not so much hate as it is annoyance. I find Hawaii's motor to be pretty neat, and his knowledge in electronics to be present, but the way he comes on here to denounce all other creations to be pretty pompous, and I get this almost anti-cycling vibe from him with the way he talks about cycling businesses being shut down or how spending money on a good bike is a waste.

Somebody talking to themselves again??? LOL...

All I know is if he can get a cheap 65 pound Huffy to do 47 mph with his motor, then I want that motor/battery/controller/etc.

Seriously, EbikeHawaii, how much do you want to make me one of those conversion kits? How much for 6 of them?

All I know is if he can get a cheap 65 pound Huffy to do 47 mph with his motor, then I want that motor/battery/controller/etc.

Seriously, EbikeHawaii, how much do you want to make me one of those conversion kits? How much for 6 of them?Personaly I am not making any more ebikes and have never made any kits.For 50 grand you can have the whole shop with instructions.LOL Some day my record setting Huffy ebike alone may sell for that on eBay.

I don't have 50 grand...

I just need a conversion kit to add an electric motor to a regular bike, and you seem to have the the best motors around.

Why not sell them? I need 1 right now, and 4 more in a couple months. You could probably make a good living out of this. This market is going to take off soon. I wish I had the 50 grand to buy your shop with instructions. You're sitting on a potential gold mine.

Oh, and why the heck are e-bikes illegal in Hawaii? You should be emailing all the state reps, the news, all the activists, etc on that one...

Anyway, seriously, think about selling me a conversion kit. I can put it on the bike myself...

I don't have 50 grand...

I just need a conversion kit to add an electric motor to a regular bike, and you seem to have the the best motors around.

Why not sell them? I need 1 right now, and 4 more in a couple months. You could probably make a good living out of this. This market is going to take off soon. I wish I had the 50 grand to buy your shop with instructions. You're sitting on a potential gold mine.

Oh, and why the heck are e-bikes illegal in Hawaii? You should be emailing all the state reps, the news, all the activists, etc on that one...

Anyway, seriously, think about selling me a conversion kit. I can put it on the bike myself...It's Political as usual.

"Aloha Randy
Thank you for your letter spelling out what happened when the Leg caved into the Segway people and how it has set back advancements in
alternative transportation. This year I will introduce a bill to repeal
HB 843 (2003 SLH)and to restore the law the way it was. I feel this law was the result of a very questionable relationship set-up between Segway and government. Thankfully the House has changed quite dramatically since those days and I am hopeful that my new colleagues will support doing away with this blatant protectionist Segway law. If you have any language or other information that may have that I could submit to our drafting agencies that would be very helpful. Hopefully I can get support of the others you e-mailed as lobbying will be very important in getting this to happen.
Sincerely, Angus
Representative Angus L. K. McKelvey
10th District West Maui, Maalaea, North Kihei
State Capitol, 415 S. Beretania Street, Room #315
Phone: (808) 586-6160 * Toll free (984) 2400- 66160 * Fax (984)
2400-66161

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Subject: Fw: Re: Legalize elecrtic bicycles


----- Original Message -----
From: "maui dmvl" <maui.dmvl@co.maui.hi.us>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:04 AM
Subject: Fwd: Re: Legalize elecrtic bicycles


Aloha Randy>
This acknowledges the receipt of your email. However, we are unable to provide any comments. The Division of Motor Vehicles and Licensing functions to execute laws that are Legislated. We recommend that you contact your Legislative Representatives.

DMVL management "Randy 9/15/2007 11:47 AM >>>
To whom it may concern, At least write me back stating your views.
As far as transportation is concerned.Helping in any way to relieve automobile congestion should be considered and NOT be thrown into the trash. A recent change in the "motorized bicycle" and bicycle laws now make electric bicycles illegal in Hawaii. Until I believe 2002 Maui
and Hawaii had a great law in place that included a electric bike or motorized bicycle to be registered as a bicycle and included in the definition.Now all of Hawaii and New York are the only places in our nation that electric bikes are illegal.Most people have probably never heard of electric bikes.With modern technology a 20 lb bicycle can fitted with a 5 lb electric motor along with a 7 lb battery pack in the frame that make up the light weight 32 lb Bike. These electric bicycles can go at bicycle speeds for 20 miles without pedaling or go for 30 miles with pedaling if you want to work
up a little sweat for a work out to increase the range. For each
additional 7 lb battery just add on another 20 miles of no pedaling range or a range of 25 to 30 miles with light to moderate pedaling. In most countries around the globe millions of electric bikes are sold and used for affordable and efficient transportation. If you want to
see legal Ebikes I made that went up Haleakala when they were legal or see electric bikes for rent or sale in the "Ripcurrent Cyclery" store
across the street from Longs Drugs in Kahului (or other underground electric bike dealers in Hawaii. Dealers that probably have no idea that
electric bikes are illegal in Hawaii since President Bush signed a low speed vehicle law and description as a consumer product (being a electric bike) in 2002 These examples as well as 1000s of more types of electric bicycles that exist to allow clean transportation without toxic admissions by using the sun and wind as the source of power. Batteries can easily be charged in any home or office socket or by a small solar panel or wind turbine at home.How many cars could be eliminated off the roads and hotel parking lots if employees had electric bikes to go to work at lets say to Kaanapali from Lahaina or Napili and back ? Not to mention the savings at 20 cents a charge for
a 1 hour 20 mile round trip. The bottom line is lets get these worlds most efficient machines on
out on our unused bike lanes and provide a alternate to myself or anyone that otherwise has to drive there gas guzzling Ford needlessly. One of these agencies must be able to find the pre existing 2002 "motorized bicycle" law.What happened to this one ? It appears the
older law and amended proposal was omitted and replaced with this law.
"Bicycle" means every vehicle propelled solely by human power upon
which any person may ride, having two tandem wheels, and including any vehicle generally recognized as a bicycle though equipped with two front or two rear wheels except a toy bicycle. Since this revision (below)above took place after Segway transporters were lobbing every state in the USA to become legal and the below.
BILL FOR AN ACT appears to be a Amendment Bill after the fact that "motorized bicycles" were eliminated from the description of bicycle and Segway electric transporters were added on in a new classification and eliminating all electric bicycles and other electric vehicles that could be used as island wide transportation in the bikeways.Of course at a slower pace than a car but a much more affordable and cleaner concept especially when auto traffic is gridlock and you only need to go a few miles without sweating or sweating about getting to work or home on time..
"Motorized bicycle" means a device with two tandem wheels that is
propelled both by human power and by an internal combustion engine or a battery powered motor. If battery powered, it has a maximum of one thousand five hundred watts (two horsepower); if powered by an engine it has no more than two horsepower (fifty cubic centimeters), an
automatic transmission, and a maximum design speed of not more than twenty-five miles per hour on a flat surface unassisted by human power.Amends the statewide traffic code by defining and regulating the
operation of motorized person transporter platforms, motorized
bicycles, and electronic personal assistive mobility devices.
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES H.B. NO. 834
TWENTY-SECOND LEGISLATURE, 2003
STATE OF HAWAII

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A BILL FOR AN ACT

This is what the pre 2002 electric law was close to and would it would
be excepted to get Ebikes back on the road LEGALLY for EVERYONE'S benefit.

Please Get this revision or the preexisting electric bike law back IN
this next up coming legislative session .
Setting a precedence in positive use of electric bicycles will createa
diversified economy and a way for residents and visitors to get around
without wasting gas or money. There is a lot that can done in terms of affordable transportation and eco tourism without road modifying if
Ebikes were legal in Hawaii.
Aloha, Randy Draper
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4798286533935376595

This is where the real fun is at... But the ebike can get me there in a few minutes to check it out. You may even find Laird out at "The Bay" on a small day. If your lucky his wife Gabrielle Reece will be watching and gabbing to you.LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2vkwy2vdP4
http://www.sports-wired.com/women/Gabrielle_Reece.html
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5385874609955831313

Its not so much hate as it is annoyance. I find Hawaii's motor to be pretty neat, and his knowledge in electronics to be present, but the way he comes on here to denounce all other creations to be pretty pompous, and I get this almost anti-cycling vibe from him with the way he talks about cycling businesses being shut down or how spending money on a good bike is a waste. Expensive bikes with crappy motors are a worse excuse of a Ebike than a Huffy with good wheels and a motor that DOES make it up any hills with a much cheaper price tag and much better all around performance.It's a waste for ANY bike to ruined by hanging a overweight hubmotor inside of a wheel to bang around.
The turn at the bottom of this hill where I got the blow out is where the tourist got killed and the down hill bikes were banned. I support Kevlar belted tubless tires for any speeds over 15 mph after this blow out. I was lucky it happened on one of the only streight sections of this road.20 seconds later and you wouldn't have heard from me again.. Your loss that I made it or is it? lol
http://www.zippyvideos.com/4567525781005216/blowout40mph/

Here is another set of old videos.
http://www.zippyvideos.com/9561703021004946/cycletothesun.net__race_start/ (http://www.zippyvideos.com/9561703021004946/cycletothesun.net__race_start/)race_start/ (http://www.zippyvideos.com/6062227052296876/cycletothesun.net__race_start/)
http://www.zippyvideos.com/1721319232507526/back_to_the_race_course/

Here are few ebike related video:

installation guide

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-8494970111924158218

world only electric g-force bike
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AKYVR3pat8

super bike
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlOUqtsNFSI

behind the scene super bike
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_SlrGnxKpM

bionx motor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSFE151tRdM

dual motors
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnwWpjXh5jc

Here are few ebike related video:

installation guide

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-8494970111924158218

world only electric g-force bike
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AKYVR3pat8

super bike
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlOUqtsNFSI

behind the scene super bike
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_SlrGnxKpM

bionx motor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSFE151tRdM

dual motors
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnwWpjXh5jcCan anyone point me to some Ebike riding on dirt trails that showing any range of longer than 10 miles? Or 10 seconds ? How long does it take a hub motor to fall off or spokes to break?

Expensive bikes with crappy motors are a worse excuse of a Ebike than a Huffy with good wheels and a motor that DOES make it up any hills with a much cheaper price tag and much better all around performance.It's a waste for ANY bike to ruined by hanging a overweight hubmotor inside of a wheel to bang around.
The turn at the bottom of this hill where I got the blow out is where the tourist got killed and the down hill bikes were banned. I support Kevlar belted tubless tires for any speeds over 15 mph after this blow out. I was lucky it happened on one of the only streight sections of this road.20 seconds later and you wouldn't have heard from me again.. Your loss that I made it or is it? lol
http://www.zippyvideos.com/4567525781005216/blowout40mph/

See, its the utter pigheadedness about your project and the fact that you denounce other styles as nothing but junk thats where the annoyance comes from. As for the "hub falling off", this is another reason you annoy me. Don't be dumb enough to laugh at a hub motor when you're using wheels made of tinfoil. We've already gone over this huffy discussion once before, and you shirked away from that one.

What do you thinks stronger, an Alex DM18 or the junk that comes on a bike made of recycled washing machines?

And do you honestly believe that there's *no* reason people should be buying hub motors, and that the only reason they're so popular is that everyone is stupid? Strangely, there are such things in the world as convenience, noise levels, reliability and simplicity.

In the end Hawaii, *this* is why i'm annoyed with you. You can build a motor, but you're absolutely clueless as to the application of the vehicle you're using it on, you've completely ignored everyone every time someone posts a video like the dirtmonkey, bikes going through lakes, or god forbid, bikes that *have a real world purpose*, and you have no respect towards cyclists in general. That day you came on here practically laughing at the touring businesses because someone died, for example.

I personally have done business with the guy in the last 4 videos actually, he's worked some real magic with those projects of his. Personally, I consider the superbike to be a lot more impressive than someone stepping on competitive cyclists who are trying to have a competition to flaunt his electrohuffy.

Can anyone point me to some Ebike riding on dirt trails that showing any range of longer than 10 miles? Or 10 seconds ? How long does it take a hub motor to fall off or sopkes to break?

Your motor is not a hub motor? Where do you have yours mounted?

Your motor is not a hub motor? Where do you have yours mounted?Between the pedals.

See, its the utter pigheadedness about your project and the fact that you denounce other styles as nothing but junk thats where the annoyance comes from. As for the "hub falling off", this is another reason you annoy me. Don't be dumb enough to laugh at a hub motor when you're using wheels made of tinfoil. We've already gone over this huffy discussion once before, and you shirked away from that one.

What do you thinks stronger, an Alex DM18 or the junk that comes on a bike made of recycled washing machines?

And do you honestly believe that there's *no* reason people should be buying hub motors, and that the only reason they're so popular is that everyone is stupid? Strangely, there are such things in the world as convenience, noise levels, reliability and simplicity.

In the end Hawaii, *this* is why i'm annoyed with you. You can build a motor, but you're absolutely clueless as to the application of the vehicle you're using it on, you've completely ignored everyone every time someone posts a video like the dirtmonkey, bikes going through lakes, or god forbid, bikes that *have a real world purpose*, and you have no respect towards cyclists in general. That day you came on here practically laughing at the touring businesses because someone died, for example.

I personally have done business with the guy in the last 4 videos actually, he's worked some real magic with those projects of his. Personally, I consider the superbike to be a lot more impressive than someone stepping on competitive cyclists who are trying to have a competition to flaunt his electrohuffy.I will take my Huffy with my Mavic 26" rims with 2.25" tires any day over that hub motor crap.What is so special about running a BLDC motor submereged in water? Let's see a video of the dainty so called machines riding on the dirt with a HEAVY hub motor.

What i'm curious about is, why did you bother buying a huffy and then doing all of these adjustments instead of simply purchasing an entry-level that would've had the durability on all of the bike, instead of just the wheel? Would've cost about as much.

And whats so special about a motor doing that? Well, whats so special about yours? Yours climbs a hill. His pretends its a submarine. Cleverchimp's carries 400lbs of people + additional cargo and the weight of a bike up a steep hill with less wattage than yours. Heinzmann has a hub motor with enough torque to snap the bike if not properly installed. Crystalyte never needs to be maintained. Nano weighs in less than yours and fits on a folding bike, practically invisible. BionX has a no maintenance hub motor that weighs what your kit does. Cyclone/Elation/Currie style drives provide a good level of performance in almost any condition. Those are all accomplishments on their own.

So I ask you, what makes *yours* so special, in a world of specialties? Do you feel that your accomplishment is by far above that of any other designer? Is the Superbike traversing 140kms of mountains in 3 hours inferior? Can yours go through a lake? Can it haul an Xtracycle laden with 2 grown men and their gear? Can it go years and years without needing so much as a spot of oil, through wintery conditions? Can it fit on a folding bike? Is it quiet?

Don't get me wrong, I think your motor is cool. Your attitude is not.

He doesn't really know - just assumes his idea are SUPERIOR by virtue of narcism and his ability to spam boards with his endless rants against all things not to his spin. Kinda people I try to avoid in life - I would suggest y'all do the same. He ain't in it for the good of this community - ego tripping!

Let's see a video of the dainty so called machines riding on the dirt with a HEAVY hub motor.

I'm actually curious to see a video of your bike in the dirt. Don't get me wrong, Hawaii is beautiful and the roads look nice, but the road tour isn't doing the demands any favour.

Can you do this for me?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YQcqHoRHF5I

If you do, i'll go do it for you on a Crystalyte. Chances are, i'll end up with a broken wheel and you'll end up with a broken neck.

Broadway, I wish it was that easy, but if I ignore him, he's going to end up misdirecting people who actually come on here, you know, looking for advice :)
As you said, he's not in it for the good of this community.

I'm actually curious to see a video of your bike in the dirt. Don't get me wrong, Hawaii is beautiful and the roads look nice, but the road tour isn't doing the demands any favour.

Can you do this for me?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YQcqHoRHF5I

If you do, i'll go do it for you on a Crystalyte. Chances are, i'll end up with a broken wheel and you'll end up with a broken neck.

Broadway, I wish it was that easy, but if I ignore him, he's going to end up misdirecting people who actually come on here, you know, looking for advice :)
As you said, he's not in it for the good of this community. Just show the the videos that prove your points.

Just show the the videos that prove your points.

My point has nothing to do with videos. You completely ignored the last post I made, which was my point. Please go back and read it. Ultimately, the point is that you have nothing but negativity to offer this forum, and no solid contributions.

And the point of that post? Well, if you have no proof of serious off roading, why should anyone give it to you?

What i'm curious about is, why did you bother buying a huffy and then doing all of these adjustments instead of simply purchasing an entry-level that would've had the durability on all of the bike, instead of just the wheel? Would've cost about as much.

And whats so special about a motor doing that? Well, whats so special about yours? Yours climbs a hill. His pretends its a submarine. Cleverchimp's carries 400lbs of people + additional cargo and the weight of a bike up a steep hill with less wattage than yours. Heinzmann has a hub motor with enough torque to snap the bike if not properly installed. Crystalyte never needs to be maintained. Nano weighs in less than yours and fits on a folding bike, practically invisible. BionX has a no maintenance hub motor that weighs what your kit does. Cyclone/Elation/Currie style drives provide a good level of performance in almost any condition. Those are all accomplishments on their own.

So I ask you, what makes *yours* so special, in a world of specialties? Do you feel that your accomplishment is by far above that of any other designer? Is the Superbike traversing 140kms of mountains in 3 hours inferior? Can yours go through a lake? Can it haul an Xtracycle laden with 2 grown men and their gear? Can it go years and years without needing so much as a spot of oil, through wintery conditions? Can it fit on a folding bike? Is it quiet?

Don't get me wrong, I think your motor is cool. Your attitude is not.
Over 400 lbs of people + cargo up a steep hill? Ride thru a lake? What? What motors are these? Where can I read more about them?

Over 400 lbs of people + cargo up a steep hill? Ride thru a lake? What? What motors are these? Where can I read more about them?You can read about crap and BS all day!
Videos show performance only if you film the entire trip and what you are carrying.Long videos may be boreing but they do show true results. I still havn't seen any elevation climbs of a 1000 ft rise yet let alone on the dirt.How much real pounding on the dirt can a hub motor really take ?. A center mounted motor ebike can take as much abuse as any other bicycle on dirt roads or trails as long as the batteries are mounted securly.Heavy hub motors with short spokes can't possably be too strong of a wheel to take much abuse off road or up hills.

Over 400 lbs of people + cargo up a steep hill? Ride thru a lake? What? What motors are these? Where can I read more about them?

Here you go, Saltydawg.
Those two motors in particular are the Stokemonkey and the Dirt Monkey's system. The Dirtmonkey is simply a Crystalyte dual speed motor put in a smaller wheel and a full suspension bicycle. Small wheels are strong.

Stokemonkey:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7331718853707362062&hl=en
This motor known as the Stokemonkey is able to carry more weight than even the Xtracycle cargo system can handle, up a great deal of hills, and with an efficient power draw. Its been known to be able to haul over the rated limit of the X's capacity, which is about 200lbs of cargo and a 200lb rider. Here you can see the system zooming up an incline with two people in tow.

If you want to know about what the Xtracycle is:
http://www.xtracycle.com

Dirt Monkey:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2830041791628409013
Oh hey, these guys don't seem to have disappeared after all! There are some new videos for '07 with their new model. As you can see, the Dirt Monkey's motor has been sealed to the elements, and rather seems to like this lake. I've done something similar to my kit to make it more winter worthy, although these days I prefer to just skip the e-bike in winter altogether.

I guess I could mention that the skewer on the Crystalyte is about twice as thick as those on my mountain bike, or that you can mount any spokes + rim you want. But its all Crap + BS, even after all is said and done, after all, isn't it?

Broadway, you're right. I'm just going to ignore him until he starts giving people bad advice.

Thanks for deleting that.

Sorry Randy, you're just proving the point.Show me the torque and a hub motor video of a dirt ride of over 20 minutes to see if the wheel is still in one piece.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9047051210592104411

I will take my Huffy with my Mavic 26" rims with 2.25" tires any day over that hub motor crap.What is so special about running a BLDC motor submereged in water? Let's see a video of the dainty so called machines riding on the dirt with a HEAVY hub motor.

You just don't get it. :rolleyes:

You just don't get it. :rolleyes: I have something that works, with more power in a lighter over all package that has reliability and performance.This YOU do not get it obviously.
Heavy Hub Motors Can't climb hills.
Hub motors fall off the frames.
Hub motors are not efficient through out the whole range.
Hub motors break short spokes easy.
Hub motors unsuspended weight gives a rough ride over bumps.
Basicaly hub motors suck amps.
Hub motor users are in denial.

I have something that works, with more power in a lighter over all package that has reliability and performance.This YOU do not get it obviously.
Heavy Hub Motors Can't climb hills.
Hub motors fall off the frames.
Hub motors are not efficient through out the whole range.
Hub motors break short spokes easy.
Hub motors unsuspended weight gives a rough ride over bumps.
Basicaly hub motors suck amps.
Hub motor users are in denial.

You still don't get it! :rolleyes:

It's not your bike, technology or anything like that. It's your arrogance that turns people off. I'd love to chat with you about your tech stuff but I don't like people like you that go around telling the rest of the world that they're idiots because they bought the "wrong" bike. You know what? I got the "right" bike because I didn't deal with a prick like you.

That's what YOU don't get!

I have something that works, with more power in a lighter over all package that has reliability and performance.This YOU do not get it obviously.
Heavy Hub Motors Can't climb hills.
Hub motors fall off the frames.
Hub motors are not efficient through out the whole range.
Hub motors break short spokes easy.
Hub motors unsuspended weight gives a rough ride over bumps.
Basicaly hub motors suck amps.
Hub motor users are in denial.

And your 5lb smoking discs can't get Ken Trough up a hill. What's your point?

Have you changed your mind about your $10,000 challenge, or are you still afraid to race?

You still don't get it! :rolleyes:

It's not your bike, technology or anything like that. It's your arrogance that turns people off. I'd love to chat with you about your tech stuff but I don't like people like you that go around telling the rest of the world that they're idiots because they bought the "wrong" bike. You know what? I got the "right" bike because I didn't deal with a prick like you.

That's what YOU don't get!
Ride your so call right bike and resort to name calling that will help your case.

And your 5lb smoking discs can't get Ken Trough up a hill. What's your point?

Have you changed your mind about your $10,000 challenge, or are you still afraid to race?Get over it and prove you can beat my elevation record YOURSELF.A overweight hub motor bicycle would not ever be a challange unless you cooked all the girlscouts pancakes at the 5 mile point if you could even make it that far without getting arested in your illegal contraption...Ken or anyone else ever had one of my motors.Where ever do you get your false information from ? Lets see your 4 mile hill clinb on the dirt with a 2600 ft rise in elevation on vidio showing your 22 lb hub motor fall off and smoke..

Talk about driving threads off-road, through bushes, over rivers and toward the edge of a cliff... You already have ****tons of threads about your motorcycle, repeatedly spamming your **** all over the forum is just rude.


And back on topic, here's an MY1018 powered bike:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNFWOflt4UE