Road Cycling - '04 Campag Record

Droooooooooool! Some nice new features!



Scroll down to bottom for pics and description! (http://www.campyonly.com/rumors/2004_lineup.html)

Thats sweet, i like the new carbon front derrialeur

does anyone else think that's carbon overload? i mean, carbon just doesn't seem like the best material for shaping such small parts... and who knows about long-haul reliability. oh well, at least it's all rebuidable.

How much do you think a CF water bottle holder costs???

Actually captsven, I don't have a CF bidon holder, but I know Elite makes one, and they sell it here in america for 80 or 85 bucks!!...Crazy eh??

Benjamin

Yea it is, but it comes with this bottle that doesnt get that plastic flavor in it. Makes no difference to me though.

That CF boottle cage and cranks are on my wish list.
When are they available??

Actually Tim B both peices are available right now, you can get the bottle cage holder from I think it's the mail order excel sports boulder, or else it's one of those mags, and the carbon cranks are made by Campy, and also FSA has a less expensive set also available now..

Benjamin

Iknow the older carbon cranks ar available but these have changed, more like the FSA

Originally posted by TimB
That CF boottle cage and cranks are on my wish list.
When are they available??

Not till late summer or fall.

Ok stop it! This is just teasing me, makes me want it all!

Has anyone had experience with crashing on carbon components (other than cranks) such as derailleurs and levers? My FBS mechanic swears he's going to throw his body in front of his Record levers if/when his bike goes down. I agree that carbonisation can get excessive. Sometimes carbon fibre turns into the equivalent of high-tech wicker. Nevertheless, the stuff just looks cool. I have a lot of carbon fibre on my bike but won't claim that all of it will (or my motivation for getting it) goes to enhancing performance. Although the new Record Carbon cranks look nice, I think even regardless of price I'll still covet the FSA cranks just as I'll probably still go with Mavic wheels and Easton seatpost over the Campy stuff. The Campy water bottle cage does intrigue me but for some reason I still like the design of a traditional wire cage for my roadbike because I can more easily remove the bottle to the side.

http://www.campyonly.com/images/rumors/2003/2004_range/2004_record_brake.jpg
The black brakes look GAY.

The rest of the carbon stuff is on my list!http://www.campyonly.com/images/rumors/2003/2004_range/2004_record_front.jpg
http://www.campyonly.com/images/rumors/2003/2004_range/2004_record_rear.jpg
But I'll stick with FSA carbon cranks.

some clever use of carbon in the rear mech but I think the frontmech is overkill. That things going to wear pretty fast.
Black brakes look cool. black is cool

Yeah black brakes look cool if you like your Record brakes being mistaken for Shimano 105.

Carbon brakes would be cool.

Originally posted by TimB
some clever use of carbon in the rear mech but I think the frontmech is overkill. That things going to wear pretty fast.
Black brakes look cool. black is cool

I once saw a picture of a carbon fibre cassette. Now that's a little more than scary. I half-agree with RacerX though... carbon fibre calipers would be cool but I don't think black calipers detract in any way.

Uhm, nothing Campy does is GAY. I think Ghisallo (patroness of cycling) will strike you down if those unholy thoughts continue :)
While I would rather have silver brakes too, I bet that new crank is incredible.

Originally posted by RacerX
Yeah black brakes look cool if you like your Record brakes being mistaken for Shimano 105.

Carbon brakes would be cool.

carbon brakes would be expensive:rolleyes:
and then theres those heat transfer issues. Hmmmm no I'll stick with alloy thanks

Originally posted by TimB
carbon brakes would be expensive:rolleyes:
and then theres those heat transfer issues. Hmmmm no I'll stick with alloy thanks

Exsqueeze me, a bakingpowder?
We are talking about RECORD group here. If you have to ask how much, you can't afford it!

As for heat transfer... so what? Full carbon rims take more heat than calipers would so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

What, no upgrades for the Chorus group?

Originally posted by RacerX
Exsqueeze me, a bakingpowder?
We are talking about RECORD group here. If you have to ask how much, you can't afford it!

As for heat transfer... so what? Full carbon rims take more heat than calipers would so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

er carbon rims have a large surface area to dissipate heat. and the braking quality is pretty sh*t.
and I have record, but I still ask how much:o

Originally posted by TimB
and I have record, but I still ask how much:o Yes, but unlike some of these campy fans when you ask how much you are trying to get a lower cost.

Originally posted by Rippin
What, no upgrades for the Chorus group?

They have not "leaked" any info on Chorus yet. Other than that maybe the current Record carbon cranks might become "Chorus Carbon Cranks".

My full-carbon Zipps had anything but poor brake performance (in dry conditions anyway, wet was another story). They were as aggressive as heck, and would literally melt my brakepads. The pads had beads of re-solidified material hanging off their trailing edge, and a hard stop produced interesting smells :eek:

Back to the topic, however... If you're thinking that the brake calipers themselves need to dissipate heat, I'm not sure where you're coming from. The heat of hard braking isn't going to cause problems for a carbon brake caliper. Think about Formula1 cars' brake systems :)

Originally posted by djgustashaw
does anyone else think that's carbon overload? i mean, carbon just doesn't seem like the best material for shaping such small parts... and who knows about long-haul reliability. oh well, at least it's all rebuidable.

I agree. Campy still has the best looking bike components out there, but they put way too much carbon on the new derailleurs. I have one word for them, overkill. But it is very intimidating to look at.

I like carbon fiber! Say it with me, CF is guuud!
Carbon can go many more stress cycles than metal and is stiff and lighter. I have to say, though, that since "regular" Campy can operate beautifully basically forever the question of durability becomes moot.

Braking performance has to do with the strength of the calipers, brake pads, contact area and surface. The fact the brake calipers are carbon would have NO effect on brake performance. Brake PAD and rim material have more to do with that. They would just be lighter and look alot cooler :)

And YES, black brakes look GHEY! Unless it's "black chrome" or something, it's going to look like Shimano 105 black.

Originally posted by mechBgon
My full-carbon Zipps had anything but poor brake performance (in dry conditions anyway, wet was another story). They were as aggressive as heck, and would literally melt my brakepads. The pads had beads of re-solidified material hanging off their trailing edge, and a hard stop produced interesting smells :eek:

Back to the topic, however... If you're thinking that the brake calipers themselves need to dissipate heat, I'm not sure where you're coming from. The heat of hard braking isn't going to cause problems for a carbon brake caliper. Think about Formula1 cars' brake systems :)

Ahh but F1 brake discs are not carbon fibre, they made from reinforced Carbon Crabon, the same stuff used for the SPace Shuttles nose cone. Pretty heat resistant and pretty darn expensive. :mad: too much so for mere bike components.

As for the heat transfer, I guess you're right it'snot really a big issue. Just done some calcs and the temp rise at the calpier is only around 20degrees:(
So i guesss there is no technical reason not to use them, as long as the brake shoe housings are still metal thats fine:)

Would I buy carbon record Calipers??? Probably, but my unpainterd aluminiu ones are so darn pretty I just could'nt bare to divorce them

I have black Shimano 105! God, I feel like a terd now!!!!!!!

I feel like I need to go upgrade right now!

better make it snappy, we don't like your kind hanging around these parts :) :D

ha, that's funny! No, 105 looks good but when you are buying Record you don't want to be mistaken for a entry-race level Shimano group!

well said...
I can't believe i've turned into a Campy snob.
Need some re-education..

<sigh> "Entry level Shimano" <heavy sigh>

It's a good thing my bike is on my carrier because I'm heading right to the bike shop after I leave the office!

"Entry level." Damn! That's just harsh!! :D

odd. i always thought bikes were meant to be ridden, not to impress others.

"oh no! someone might think i've got these cheap shimano brakes on my bike! whatever will i do?" .. give me a break. if your biggest motivation in buying Campy parts is to impress other people you've got too much money to burn.

Originally posted by fore
odd. i always thought bikes were meant to be ridden, not to impress others.

"oh no! someone might think i've got these cheap shimano brakes on my bike! whatever will i do?" .. give me a break. if your biggest motivation in buying Campy parts is to impress other people you've got too much money to burn.

Uhhh.. Yeah... you missed it. it's called sarcasm.

No one I know would know what Campy or Shimano even are, let alone care. So even though I'm fortunate enough where I could buy a new Campy Record Group today, when and if I do decide to, it'll be because I want it. Not to impress anyone. Trust me.

Again, it was sarcasm, joking... that sort of thing.

Yeah, so what is the story on Carbon Loading?
I've always heard it was good to do that and eat
alot of pasta and bread the night before a big race. . .
and what does that have to do with brake candelabras?

:D

Marty