I haven't driven in Japan, but I'll guess: The one who honks or flashes lights first.

Al

Nope - the lone vehicle should yield to the other two, because it is not polite to interupt their conversation. :D

Point being...you gotta understand the local laws and customs to operate COMPETENTLY.

Nope - the lone vehicle should yield to the other two, because it is not polite to interupt their conversation. :D

Point being...you gotta understand the local laws and customs to operate COMPETENTLY.
Like I said it was a guess. I was also imagining a higher speed situation with the 2nd vehicle in process of passing.

Anyway the survival thing to do would be to yield to the two oncoming cars. That is what I'd do if I didn't know better. That is what I'd do in the USA in the same situation.

Al

I've been on one-lane no shoulder two way roads with 4' high stone walls on each side in France as well. What do you do when a bike, let alone a school bus, comes along?!?!?

Tips included things like be extra assertive, don't hesistate, know where you are going before heading out, flashing headlights mean driver is taking ROW in ambiguous situation, move to shoulder at last second if an vehicle is coming at you in your lane on two lane highway and they flash lights. Things that look like 'crazy' driving to an outside observer are less to do with different rules of road and more do do with drivers taking advantage of oppotunities while reading the 'body language' of other drivers.

are these the NEW VC maxims? cool......


this intent of this thread, and the original poster, inspires pity. what a gas. I'd still be grinning if only it didn't hurt so much, to see H. Head, high sophist of internet VC, slaughter his sacred cow.

I've been on one-lane no shoulder two way roads with 4' high stone walls on each side in France as well. What do you do when a bike, let alone a school bus, comes along?!?!?

See if you can make the two fit, stopping if necessary, and if not, back the he ll up until you find a spot where you can.

I've been on one-lane no shoulder two way roads with 4' high stone walls on each side in France as well. What do you do when a bike, let alone a school bus, comes along?!?!?

Stop and drink some wine, of course.

ve·hic·u·lar cy·cling (vē-hĭk'yə-lər sī'klĭng)

see: Vainglorious Cycling

see also: making the simple act of riding a bicycle 1000 times more complicated and nutsac-ish than ever.

see also: making the simple act of riding a bicycle 1000 times more complicated and nutsac-ish than ever. Yet experienced and intelligent cyclists keep having crashes that can be easily prevented by changes in their own behavior, such as is illustrated in this thread (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=306327).

When VC behavior that helps avoid incidents like that becomes the norm in our culture, then I'll stop.

When VC behavior that helps avoid incidents like that becomes the norm in our culture, then I'll stop.

Ohhhh nooo man, :( YOu do know that 99.999999% of our culture doesn't hear about VC, JF or HH right? You better ramp that sht up man! (but please don't until you change the delivery and message)

Yet experienced and intelligent cyclists keep having crashes that can be easily prevented by changes in their own behavior, such as is illustrated in this thread (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=306327).

When VC behavior that helps avoid incidents like that becomes the norm in our culture, then I'll stop.

Whoa hold on there partner... you mentioned in another thread that riding centerish is not necessarily an aspect of VC, only something that you extended from VC.

In a perfectly vehicular environment, the overtaking motorist should merge behind the cyclist... but the reality is that motorists feel themselves superior, and often overtake and then assume that the cyclist is slower or will watch out for the larger vehicle. This is shown time and time again by motorists that go well beyond normal driving behavior to get around cyclists.

Motorists believe that "bikes are supposed to get out of the way" even when that cyclist is perfectly destination positioned and riding at an appropriate speed for the conditions (such as approaching a stop light). Until that situation is rectified, then there is no "vehicular equality" in spite of the laws.