"The 33"-Road Bike Racing - Tom Danielson - *Dauphine Spoiler...ish?*

Drops out of the first stage (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jun07/jun12news2)with a Stomach Problem.

Seems like this kid is always suffering from some sort of health issue,no?...he's the Grant Hill of American Cycling.

the 'kid' is 29.

when is his contract up at discovery, anyway?

he's the Grant Hill of American Cycling.
That's an insult to a class act like Grant Hill.

That's an insult to a class act like Grant Hill.


Class act or not, I sat down here in Orlando waiting for his departure to free up some money. Great guy, good for the community, but bad for the win-loss column.


As far as Danielson goes, this is par for the course. Full of talent, but soft as baby powder.

the 'kid' is 29.

when is his contract up at discovery, anyway?

He needs to ride for Jelly Belly or some domestic squad, he's not Pro Tour caliber.

Full of talent

Honestly, I haven't really seen that - yes, the dude can climb...FAST (on a good day)...but as a Pro Tour cyclist, wouldn't say he's overflowing with true talent.

At his age (yes, I used the term "Kid" loosely) talent should include a natural leadership and the ability to see it thru to the end. Don't get me wrong, the guy is a decent cyclist, just not the level he was hyped up to be during his signing to the Disco team...but that's old news already known.

Give him a break, he's still learning to ride in the European peloton.

True...he'll catch on by the young cycling age of 32 or so...

so is andy schleck.

I know, that's what I'm saying. You have to be impressed with Schelck's Giro.

I know, that's what I'm saying. You have to be impressed with Schelck's Giro.
He's impressed that Schleck is only 22 or 23 years old.

He's impressed that Schleck is only 22 or 23 years old.

I thought he was only 21.

EDIT: Botto got me there...

Schleck rode the lights out of that Giro, and while Danielson's had a respectable Vuelta finish, it's not proportionate to the hype.

I thought he was only 21.
Which bodes well for young Schleck that by the time he is 29 he will far outstrip the palmares of Mr. Danielson.*




*doping scandals, etc., notwithstanding.

Which bodes well for young Schleck that by the time he is 29 he will far outstrip the palmares of Mr. Danielson.*

*doping scandals, etc., notwithstanding.

As others on here have said, I wouldn't bet against seeing Schleck on the TdF podium in the next couple of years.

Give him a break, he's still learning to ride in the European peloton.

ROFLMAO


Sure miss his whiny diaries on cyclingnews......"I love Lance, I am feeling more confident riding in the peleton, I love Lance" repeat.

On the other hand, I haven't won a stage of the Vuelta and a few other wins that do qualify him as ProTour caliber rider, just not the second coming like has been written about him.

How pissed do you think the other Disco riders are with Danielson? I mean, this guy in interviews comes off all pissed off that Disco hired Basso and Levi, as if Tom is the heir apparant. And then, Danielson has absolutely puked in his own mouth repeatedly this season.

I feel bad, because Danielson has done a lot for riding in Colorado (his Junior's Series is going to help develop talent in the United States). I think these "ailments" are nothing more than Tom's excuses for dropping out when he realizes he just does not have the engine to keep up in the European Pro Peleton.

I mean, Tom has ridden the ToC and TdG, which, are both American races with a majority of the peleton being domestic US riders. Ironic he seems to be able to remain in those races.

i have to laugh when i think back to how many cyclists were labeled as "the next armstrong". danielson was one of them, so was hincapie, landis, etc.

It'd be really good for him to go back to the US peleton and actually win some races. Because that's really what he wants to do, and he's not going to do it in Europe.

It'd be really good for him to go back to the US peleton and actually win some races. Because that's really what he wants to do, and he's not going to do it in Europe.

Agreed...tho he's in a tight situation in that scenario.

Example:
A team like Slipstream would be good for him...but Tom D would not be good for a team like Slipstream (ie, a team just a year or so out from really breaking into the Pro Tour, if all goes well)

i have to laugh when i think back to how many cyclists were labeled as "the next armstrong". danielson was one of them, so was hincapie, landis, etc.

and landis proved them right.

btw - don't forget that the ********* was once called the 'next greg lemond'.

He needs to ride for Jelly Belly or some domestic squad, he's not Pro Tour caliber.

There are an awful lot of Pro Tour cyclists that have not won a stage or placed top 10 GC in a grand tour. He is definitely Pro Tour caliber, just not GT winner caliber. His role should be as a climbing domestique and going for stage wins.

and landis proved them right.

did you leave that purposely ambiguous?

He needs to ride for Jelly Belly or some domestic squad, he's not Pro Tour caliber.

lame...

ROFLMAO


Sure miss his whiny diaries on cyclingnews......"I love Lance, I am feeling more confident riding in the peleton, I love Lance" repeat.



Spot on!

btw - peloton, not peleton, guys are always messing that one up

there is always the next so and so. it is the way of sports. dont fault the athlete for that. later.

i have to laugh when i think back to how many cyclists were labeled as "the next armstrong". danielson was one of them, so was hincapie, landis, etc.

If it were not for Floyd getting busted for 'roids...and if he made a hasty recovery with the 'ol hip, I'm sure he would've been back at the top of the game.

the 'kid' is 29.

when is his contract up at discovery, anyway?

Yeah, this gnome was severely overhyped. There are some guys with strangely long careers in Europe, Mike Barry comes to mind.

The next big rider will be from China.

As others on here have said, I wouldn't bet against seeing Schleck on the TdF podium in the next couple of years.

Frank or andy?

I'm hoping to see Shrek on the podium three times.

http://www.lakeshoredrivein.com/images/shrek3.jpg

Frank or andy?

Andy

so was hincapie

i get a chuckle out of that one too. did the people who said that even follow cycling? he wins one stage by sitting on a wheel and people go touting him for the yellow. wtf?

granted danielson is in elite company when it comes to one day climbing performances like the Mt evans climb, but at 135# he seems to frail to handle the grind of grand tours and a full season.

i get a chuckle out of that one too. did the people who said that even follow cycling? he wins one stage by sitting on a wheel and people go touting him for the yellow. wtf?

granted danielson is in elite company when it comes to one day climbing performances like the Mt evans climb, but at 135# he seems to frail to handle the grind of grand tours and a full season.

Interesting that you've got people like Brazkovic who are tiny (smaller than Danielson??) but seem better able to handle the rigors of stage racing.



Regarding Hincapie's performance in the TdF that one year...I agree that it was a bit silly for people to tout him for the yellow. On the other hand, if he sat on someone's wheel to help achieve that victory, who cares? That's racing!! It's the other dude's fault for letting it happen.

Class act or not, I sat down here in Orlando waiting for his departure to free up some money. Great guy, good for the community, but bad for the win-loss column.


As far as Danielson goes, this is par for the course. Full of talent, but soft as baby powder.
+111

Spot on!

btw - peloton, not peleton, guys are always messing that one up

See, he couldn't even spell correctly, :D

i get a chuckle out of that one too. did the people who said that even follow cycling? he wins one stage by sitting on a wheel and people go touting him for the yellow. wtf?

granted danielson is in elite company when it comes to one day climbing performances like the Mt evans climb, but at 135# he seems to frail to handle the grind of grand tours and a full season.

Apparently you've never heard of Pantani.

Also, the guy has been top 10 twice on GC in the Vuelta, winning a stage last year.

That's very, very ProTour worthy, in my opinion. He may not be the next Lance, Merckx, Hinault, Fignon, Pantani or anyone, but he can be a very valuable contributor to a high ranking ProTour team. He might never make the podium in Le Tour, but he's worthy of racing with the big boys for sure. To say otherwise is just ignorant.

Lance, Merckx, Hinault, Fignon, Pantani

All dopers except LA, right?

Lance, Merckx, Hinault, Fignon, Pantani

All dopers except LA, right?

i see that you've been sipping. what's you're favorite flavor?

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i see that you've been sipping. what's you're favorite flavor?

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It's called satire...look it up.

Lance, Merckx, Hinault, Fignon, Pantani

All dopers except LA, right?

What does that have to do with this conversation, at all?

Tommy should make an all out assault on the Vuelta. I don't he's tdf material.

Apparently you've never heard of Pantani.

no, i have.

pantani: 5'7", 126#
daneilson: 5'8", 129#

both are right on the edge of being considered underweight, which can lead to weakened immune systems. maybe pantani was just lucky (in addition to being juiced to the gills), but theres got to be a point of diminishing returns for pure climbers dropping weight. perhaps daneilson is beyond that point, and thus he gets sick all the time.

i hope he stays in europe. i like rooting for him.

It's called satire...look it up.

hip my friend, i suggest you do the same. :D

There are an awful lot of Pro Tour cyclists that have not won a stage or placed top 10 GC in a grand tour. He is definitely Pro Tour caliber, just not GT winner caliber. His role should be as a climbing domestique and going for stage wins.

+1.

EDR's venom and cluelessness may some day rival that of DocRay. But that's a big mountain to climb (that seemed like an appropriate metaphor for a cycling thread).

Tommy should make an all out assault on the Vuelta. I don't he's tdf material.

"Tommy" already did that last year.

lame...

How so? He's been sick in every GT he's done. He's not durable enough to compete on the big stage. I'm not saying he isn't a talented rider but there is more to succeeding in Europe than being talented. You have to be able to stay healthy, something this guy seems unable to do.

BTW Lame is a great rebuttal, your scintillating use of the English language kept coming back for more..

How so? He's been sick in every GT he's done. He's not durable enough to compete on the big stage. I'm not saying he isn't a talented rider but there is more to succeeding in Europe than being talented. You have to be able to stay healthy, something this guy seems unable to do.

BTW Lame is a great rebuttal, your scintillating use of the English language kept coming back for more..

i agree. even as a domestique, you got to be reliable day in and day out.

i agree. even as a domestique, you got to be reliable day in and day out.


Tom may want to revert back to Mountain Bike racing as well. I know Simoni is looking to head in that direction, and since MTB involves more climbing and 1 day races, it would make sense for TD. The $$$$ might be the big problem for him however. I have to imagine he now has a lifestyle to maintain.

The $$$$ might be the big problem for him however. I have to imagine he now has a lifestyle to maintain.

He does have a coffee business... maybe he should hit the epo real hard and win tons of races, then when he gets caught just say he started doping that race and retire.