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JumboRider
06-14-07, 11:05 AM
Many of you know about the Fat Cyclist and his website, www.fatcyclist.com. He has an ongoing contest challenge called B7 that started January of this year. I love the concept of the challenge very much and am sorry that I did not get into biking early enough to officially join. I know the Historian has been doing the B7 challenge for fun on the side.

What I would like to do is offer the challenge to my Clyde and Athena friends here. Those that enter the Jumbo Rider version of the B7 challenge by June 31st 2007 will be eligible to win a Fat Cyclist jersey. The rules follow below and the end date for the challenge is January 1, 2008. I am also in the running for the jersey.

Rules

The principle behind the B7 Challenge is pretty simple. You need to do a comparatively better job of losing weight than the other B7 competitors. You don't have to lose the most - just lose the highest percentage of a reasonable weight loss goal.

You must first be a bicyclist, either experienced, returning or new, and ready to make a serious effort to lose some weight.

But you have to do it without hurting your performance. Ya see, it’s nice to lose weight, but everybody can starve themselves. That isn't good enough. No, we want you to be a better biker. So you can’t just lose weight, you need to do it in a healthy enough manner that your time trial performance improves or at least doesn’t get worse. Here’s how to play.

1) Go weigh yourself by June 30.

2) By June 30 select a 3 mile course you will be able to ride flat out, without stopping. You will need to be able to ride this course again on a monthly basis. Time yourself on it.

3) Set a weight loss goal you intend to meet by January 1st expressing it in terms of how many pounds you intend to lose (i.e. “I will lose 25 pounds by January 1) and then post your information in a PM to jumborider – starting weight, goal weight, 3 mile TT time. It wouldn’t hurt if you posted a start photo, and any useful personal details (e.g. "won TdF seven times, still get no respect" and the like). Make it a good goal – 10% of your bodyweight, for instance, assuming you’re carrying enough fat to make that reasonable. The jumborider reserves the right to tell you that your goal isn't high enough... there's no sandbagging for prizes here.

4) No later than the 15th of each month, you need to post your new weight, Time Trial time, and score by pm to jumborider. Fatty will create an online tool that makes it easy for you to do this. The tool is located HERE. (http://www.fatcyclist.com/b7) Tool usage information can be found HERE (http://www.fatcyclist.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=457).

5) This is an honor system, folks. Don't cheat. The only person you are screwing if you cheat is yourself, and the other competitors. So don't do it.

6) Your score – both at the intermediate weight postings and for a final grade will be the (percentage of your weight loss goal achieved) + (percentage of time trial improvement).

For example, if your goal was to lose 20 pounds, and you lost 10, you’d score “50″, as in 50%. If you rode a 10 minute three mile initially, and dropped a minute from the score (9:00) then you would score “10″ for a 10% improvement. Your total score would be 50+10, or 60 total. The winner will be the person with the highest aggregate score of weight loss goal, plus TT improvement.

7. Now here’s the thing. We aren’t going to have sandbaggers here. I'm not kidding. If you weight 250 and your goal is to lose 10 pounds, we don’t want you. That’s too easy. You could do that by eating some bran flakes for breakfast, and trimming your toenails then holding your breath next time you get on the scale. But if you are 250 and want to lose 25, that’s a reasonable goal. Likewise, if you weigh 165, and want to lose 15 to improve your climbing, and you’re a 5′11″ stickboy already, we’ll consider it. Since Fatty's got about $70 worth of skin in the game for each and every contestant, his decision's final.

Likewise, we don’t want to see any sand bagging 14 minute TT’s, unless you weigh 325 pounds and haven’t ridden in years, have one leg, or are blind and rode the TT with a white cane because your guide dog was laid up with gout. We want you to stretch, folks. You don't ride a bike because it's the easy way out, you ride because it's a challenge. And you'll note the title to this little hogfarm hootenanny is the B7 Challenge. If it was easy, it wouldn't be worth doing.

Actually, scratch that one legged time trial thing. Andy May, Brett Wolfe and a few other guys do just fine on one leg. Matter of fact, Andy May is downright amazing. And come to think of it, Katie Compton piloted a paralympics tandem for a blind stoker. Okay, so enough of the exceptions. There are no exceptions. Do your best on the TT, use your judgment and don't stroke out or anything, but if you aren't close to puking at the end of it you didn't try hard enough.

Okay, belay that fellowship comment. By fellowship, I mean sheer bike-borne trash talking interspersed with an occasional supportive comment.

Naturally, we take no responsibility for you riding or dieting yourself into the ground in this contest. It's not a for-profit venture, it's a bunch of friends sync-ing up their training and having an informal support group. Get checked out by a doc if you have any doubts about your ability to do this, or if you haven't been checked out in a few years. Ride safe. Eat healthy. And like all other things you do when you ride, understand you assume all the risk. That is you personally are responsible for not hurting yourself here, you personally are responsible for trying hard, getting your information in on time every month, sticking to your diet as well as you can, and riding / cross training lots between now and next spring. The beauty of riding is that you can't really blame anybody else for your performance - it is all on you. Do well in a race or in your diet, it's your own fault. Stink the joint up, that's your fault too. The bike doesn't permit lies, it finds us all out in the end, measures all that we are capable of giving at all times. And that's the beauty of it, because it is true, it shows us how high we can reach. Or in the case of dieting off some weight to pursue better performance, it shows us how low we're willing to sink in order to ride better. In that way, we're all prisoners of the road. If we can get thin enough though, we can drop last year's legirons and shackles, at least for a few months.

Good luck.

(Rules, Idea, etc. ripped off of the Fat Cyclist with his permission)

Addendums:

I Foul Weather Rules

1. The monthly weigh-ins remain mandatory. There's no reason you can't do your weigh-ins every single month. If you skip a month, you've lost our bet and owe me whatever you've bet me.

2. The monthly TT becomes mandatory when weather permits.

A word of advice to those who haven't done their first TT yet: do it as soon as you can. I assume you're training already, and so the later you do your TT, the less likely you're going to see a big improvement on your final score.

II Max Weight Loss Score of 110

B7 Calculator -- the maximum score you can get in the B7 challenge is 110.

In practical terms, this means -- to me -- that if I get to 145lbs, I get a weightloss score of 110. If I get to 144, I still get a 110. If I get to 89lbs, I still get a 110.

By putting an upper limit on the score you can get by simply losing weight, it becomes very important to be fit -- not just skinny.

JumboRider
06-14-07, 11:13 AM
I weighed 354 pounds today 6/14/07. I will loose 70 pounds by January 1, 2008 leaving me at 284 pounds. I have not yet taken my TT.

Tom Stormcrowe
06-14-07, 11:17 AM
I'm plateaued, more or less and at the point where I need skin removed to lose any more weight. I wish all of you luck though, whoever wins!

Stujoe
06-14-07, 11:32 AM
This sounds like the kind of public motivation I need. lol

I am 257 lbs as of this morning and will lose 40 pounds by Jan 1, 2008 leaving me at 217 lbs.

I just did a 35 mile ride today so I probably won't do a TT until Fri or Sat. Also have to find a decent 3 mile course that is close and convinient.

Winter76
06-14-07, 01:39 PM
This sounded great until the monthly TT part. It snows here starting in October/November and I'm not nearly brave enough to ride flat out with Icy roads. :( Would it be aceptable to do 3 miles on my bike stand when I bring my bike inside?

JumboRider
06-14-07, 02:35 PM
I think the bike stand is a good alternative. There is a section in the instructions that discuss poor weather.

DieselDan
06-14-07, 02:48 PM
That 3 mile TT can be a trip up. Some may have 3 miles that go downhill, other's may have a prevailing tailwind. Also, is the TT a rolling or standing start?

ImpFreak7
06-14-07, 02:48 PM
I'd like to jump in here, though i'm not exactly a clyde at 190 lbs.

I do need to lose weight and improve my performance for sure and this would be great motivation.

My goal is to lose 41 lbs. and be at 149 by January 1, 2008.

I'll be sure to go find a good 3 mile loop.

ebeck88
06-14-07, 03:25 PM
As long as you do the same 3 mile loop every month I think it doesn't matter if there is a bit of downhill or wind because you would be measuring yourself against the same course.

Stujoe
06-14-07, 03:30 PM
My tt will probably be 1.5 miles out and 1.5 miles back. That way I can do it on a bike path and won't have to worry about traffic. I figure that way I can make it more consistent for myself. Weather should be ok here the whole time. We rarely have snow on the ground and usually only for a day or two.

JumboRider
06-14-07, 03:30 PM
ebeck is on the mark. The TT is measured as a percentage change from your previous TT. As long as you keep the same 3 miles and start the same way everything should work out.

JumboRider
06-14-07, 03:31 PM
You don't have to be a clyde impfreak. Good to have you along.

The Historian
06-14-07, 07:47 PM
Many of you know about the Fat Cyclist and his website, www.fatcyclist.com. He has an ongoing contest challenge called B7 that started January of this year. I love the concept of the challenge very much and am sorry that I did not get into biking early enough to officially join. I know the Historian has been doing the B7 challenge for fun on the side.

And I've scored very well. It helps my first three mile time trial was 38 minutes. Most recent was 11:17.

Since I'm rapidly approaching the point where I'll need to have skin cut off to lose weight, I am not going to join the contest. Sorry!

cohophysh
06-14-07, 07:59 PM
hmm, i thought i posted to this....current weight 313, goal weight 250, no tt yet, haven't been on the bike in awhile. will do tt next week after physical, oh and it will be on a MTB

Winter76
06-14-07, 08:00 PM
Wow historian, that's incredible! Just from biking?

Stujoe
06-14-07, 08:29 PM
oh and it will be on a MTB

Mine too and with the big, wide knobby tires on it. lol

I was toying with the idea of getting slicks but, after my ride today, I found I still like going on dirt and crushed rock trails too much.

The Historian
06-14-07, 08:46 PM
Wow historian, that's incredible! Just from biking?

Cycling brought me from 280-275 to 247-250. I didn't know about clydesdales until after I bought my bike. I thought 385 pound guys couldn't ride. Silly me!

cohophysh
06-14-07, 08:48 PM
Mine too and with the big, wide knobby tires on it.
yup mine too

tourist
06-14-07, 09:04 PM
I'm so in on this. TT and goal weight coming up.

Tskuller
06-15-07, 01:33 AM
I'm in also.
Weight today: 205
Goal weight for January 1st: 160

I will ride my TT Sunday.

steve2k
06-15-07, 06:21 AM
Me too:
currently: 249 (113kg)
1st Jan 2008: 209 (95kg)
My TT will be the last 3 miles of my commute, so I'll give you the time on Monday.

Thanks for starting this JR (and fatcyclist)

tourist
06-15-07, 06:54 AM
I'm so in on this. TT and goal weight coming up.

252lbs

3 mile TT = 10:32

Goal = 220 by Jan 1, 2008

Tom Stormcrowe
06-15-07, 07:00 AM
That 3 mile TT can be a trip up. Some may have 3 miles that go downhill, other's may have a prevailing tailwind. Also, is the TT a rolling or standing start?
Dan, a TT is a race against your prior self. The competition amongst you is the improvement seen or not seen. Time Trial is known as the "Race of Truth". The only requirement is a consistent course.

joshdavis
06-15-07, 07:38 AM
I'm in.

I will post stats later this evening

barndoor
06-15-07, 08:11 AM
OMG...I am so in this!! Weighed myself just a few minutes ago....279#!! I was just 270 in January!

I will be down to #240 by January 1st, by God!

I will do my TT this Saturday. Bring it!! :)

...of course I'll also be doing my 27-mile commute starting this Monday... ;^)

b_young
06-15-07, 08:28 AM
Starting at 245 lbs with a goal to be non clyde at Jan 1. 199LBS

12 min 10 sec 3 mile TT which is part of my commute.

Thanks for the push.

Stujoe
06-15-07, 04:00 PM
This sounds like the kind of public motivation I need. lol

I am 257 lbs as of this morning and will lose 40 pounds by Jan 1, 2008 leaving me at 217 lbs.

I just did a 35 mile ride today so I probably won't do a TT until Fri or Sat. Also have to find a decent 3 mile course that is close and convinient.


My 3 mile TT was 12:07

cohophysh
06-18-07, 02:44 PM
can someone make this a sticky??? Meaning put at the top of the clydes section?

steve2k
06-19-07, 02:48 AM
Do I need to PM this to you too?
currently: 249 (113kg)
1st Jan 2008: 209 (95kg)
TT 3 Mile: 12m08s

My pannier fell off just as I finished the 3 miles, which then got run over by a truck. My wife (who was a couple of cars behind the truck) saw the truck brake and swerve suddenly and then saw my pannier roll from underneath it. I saw her when I turned around to get the pannier, probably explains why she was a little white.

JumboRider
06-19-07, 03:46 AM
Steve2k
No need to pm too. I got ya from the post.

UtRacerDad
06-19-07, 09:57 AM
I am 284 as of this morning, I plan on loosing 45 lbs by Jan 1st. I will post my TT time on Saturday :).

gattm99
06-19-07, 10:19 PM
Current Weight: 283

Weight Goal: 250

TT: to come

I'd really like to see the results as the contest goes on laid out in a table or something...

keithm0
06-19-07, 11:00 PM
I'm in.

Current weight: 255
Target by 01/2008: 220 (I was hoping to reach this by next Summer, but what the hell...)

I'll post my TT after I get my bike back from the shop (hopefully this Friday).

ddmann
06-19-07, 11:55 PM
Count me in too! I just weighed myself 254 lbs. I think I'd like to lose 40. I don't have a computer yet so the TT is a few days in the future.

Tskuller
06-20-07, 09:59 PM
I'm in also.
Weight today: 205
Goal weight for January 1st: 160

I will ride my TT Sunday.

TT: 9:48

gattm99
06-21-07, 10:42 PM
283 today and I did my TT

10:33, couple of hills and headwind so I think it will be lower in the future.

Hasselhof
06-22-07, 07:09 AM
I'm in. I've only recently rejoined the boards after a couple of years of non-activity. The last time I was on the clydes & athena forum didn't even exist and we'd been firmly told that our own forum just wasn't going to happen. I'm glad that things have changed :)

I saw this thread and I've been excited about it ever since. I've planned my TT circuit, will weight in on the scales at work in the morning and will get my weight / goal / time up during the week next week.

My only question though has to do with bike choice. I currently ride a mountain bike with semi-slicks, however I've just put an order in for a surly steamroller fixed track / road bike which is due to arrive mid-late July. Chances are that I'll be getting rid of the MTB not long after and this will have an obvious effect on my monthly times for the TT. Will a bike substitution be allowed?

JumboRider
06-22-07, 07:25 AM
Will a bike substitution be allowed?
That is a good question. I don't have a problem with that. If we don't get too many people opposed we will say that it is allowed.

JumboRider
06-22-07, 07:30 AM
A question for those taking this challenge. We will probably get people wanting to join this challenge after June 30, or people that were unable to do their tt by that time. I was thinking about these people and people like myself that will have a very slow TT time. Would you guys like to put in a minimum starting time for the TT?

The Historian
06-22-07, 07:43 AM
A question for those taking this challenge. We will probably get people wanting to join this challenge after June 31, or people that were unable to do their tt by that time. I was thinking about these people and people like myself that will have a very slow TT time. Would you guys like to put in a minimum starting time for the TT?

That's why I didn't formally enter the B7 contest at Fat Cyclist. As a beginner my TT was 38 minutes for three miles. I had nowhere to go but down.

Tom Stormcrowe
06-22-07, 08:05 AM
A question for those taking this challenge. We will probably get people wanting to join this challenge after June 31, or people that were unable to do their tt by that time. I was thinking about these people and people like myself that will have a very slow TT time. Would you guys like to put in a minimum starting time for the TT?
Wouldn't a minimum start time defeat the purpose? If I understand what you are saying, are you talking about putting a minimum qualifying time, hence setting a standard where if you are slower you aren't in?

If the goal is to measure improvement then the algorithm is already self handicapping, because everyone is competing against their own prior incarnations rather than each other. Just my 2¢!;)

JumboRider
06-22-07, 08:44 AM
I guess I am assuming that before Jan 1 my TT time will increase drastically. For those that have been riding already that increase won't be available, unless they duff it. I was just trying to make it fair. So if I put in a 30 min 3 mile TT the first time I was thinking that I should start at a 15 min TT. Something like that.

Wogsterca
06-22-07, 10:43 AM
A question for those taking this challenge. We will probably get people wanting to join this challenge after June 31, or people that were unable to do their tt by that time. I was thinking about these people and people like myself that will have a very slow TT time. Would you guys like to put in a minimum starting time for the TT?

JR, when is June 31st? My calendar shows June as having only 30 days.....

JumboRider
06-22-07, 11:28 AM
Wow Wogsterca, either you are the first to catch this, or everyone else is too kind to call me on it. I had a very hard time with time and dates. My school teachers finally told me that all months had 31 days so that I could pass the 2nd grade after 3 years trying.

Or, I am working off of the new sectarian calendar. This calendar has all months ending in a odd number. June happens to be 31.

Or, I figure that it will take till June 31st for me to ride up a hill.

Or, I was using that date as a means to disqualify everyone and not have to give out the jersey :lol:

UtRacerDad
06-22-07, 03:25 PM
On the TT, this is simply an improvement in your time, so I don't think there should be a minimum. I know that my TT will be fairly fast since i've been riding for quite a while, however I'm more interested to see what I can shave off of the TT for myself, not much use comparing to anyone else since none of them will use the same course that I will be using.

Wogsterca
06-22-07, 03:58 PM
Wow Wogsterca, either you are the first to catch this, or everyone else is too kind to call me on it. I had a very hard time with time and dates. My school teachers finally told me that all months had 31 days so that I could pass the 2nd grade after 3 years trying.

Or, I am working off of the new sectarian calendar. This calendar has all months ending in a odd number. June happens to be 31.

Or, I figure that it will take till June 31st for me to ride up a hill.

Or, I was using that date as a means to disqualify everyone and not have to give out the jersey :lol:

Way back in grade 2, nearly 40 years ago (:eek: ) We learned a little rhyme:

30 days hath September, April, June and November.

There is more to it, but that's all you really need:D

Tom Stormcrowe
06-22-07, 04:45 PM
I guess I am assuming that before Jan 1 my TT time will increase drastically. For those that have been riding already that increase won't be available, unless they duff it. I was just trying to make it fair. So if I put in a 30 min 3 mile TT the first time I was thinking that I should start at a 15 min TT. Something like that.
Naw, because it doesn't matter if they run 1 Hr and they improve to 45 minutes (Just a figure off the top of my head, BTW!), thew net improvement from their prior would be what you score. As I said, self handicapping, or if you prefer, self leveling algorithm.

JumboRider
06-22-07, 05:54 PM
Ok, no minimum TT time. It has officially been stated that June has 30 days.

epcolt
06-24-07, 01:57 PM
Count me in. Starting weight 268 hope to be 240 by Jan 1. I rode TT today 13.45

UtRacerDad
06-25-07, 10:28 AM
TT = 3 miles 9:45 - this is part of my work commute. as said before goal weight on Jan 1st is 239.