Electronics, Lighting, & Gadgets - Cygolite DualCross 300 200 Li-ion

the spot is hotter on the dualcross and larger

you can seem to see it from a wider angle (more side spillage) with the dualcross

the head is wider, and larger deflector, that is what accounts for this

this is to be expected since the dualcross is like $130 more than the Fenix L2D CE

the run time is also longer, going for like 3.5 hours on the dualcross

you might be able to get one cheaper used, and that will maximize the value

battery is really small, kinda cool looking

adjustable modes and you can also get a seizure strobe, or a blinky type mode which you can use, and it is super bright

btw, DO NOT LOOK DIRECTLY INTO THE LIGHT! YOU WILL BE BLINDED!


How much did the unit cost you? Also how much was the shipping cost? Did you get dinged at customs/duty? If so how much did you get dinged? I can't wait to see the comparisons.

Remember not to angle the dual-cross to high, I unfortunately forced some cars coming towards me to pull over as I blinded them.

That to me is a good thing. At what distance do you estimate the cagers on the incoming traffic to pull over? 20 meters? 30 yards? etc?

I'm sure you can see the light out probably 2km away but I'd like to know the rough line where the cagers hit the 'intensity' range.

I'm still in the deciding point but I'm already got my short list of lights I need (and want). Just pending fundage right now, user feedback, and detection range.

They slow down at least 150m away and at 50-70m start to give way. It all depends on the angle. I had one guy yell out, turn your hi beam down.

How much did the unit cost you? Also how much was the shipping cost? Did you get dinged at customs/duty? If so how much did you get dinged? I can't wait to see the comparisons.

The thing is bright. It cost about $220 CAD including shipping, then got dinged again at customs around $30. There is actually a guy on ebay selling one right now. Thing is he is in Canada, and I guess you won't pay customs on that.

But don't take my word for it, ask the guy first if he is actually in Canada. I once bought an item from the Canada, but it was actually being shipped from Hong Kong, China. WTF? :eek:

Thinking back, after all the added costs, I probably would have liked to buy something from within Canada, and much closer for cheaper shipping WTF? :eek:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/Cygolite-DualCross-Dual-Cross-Li-Ion-Lithium-Bike-Light_W0QQitemZ180139632747QQihZ008QQcategoryZ22689QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

The thing is bright. It cost about $220 CAD including shipping, then got dinged again at customs around $30. There is actually a guy on ebay selling one right now. Thing is he is in Canada, and I guess you won't pay customs on that.

But don't take my word for it, ask the guy first if he is actually in Canada. I once bought an item from the Canada, but it was actually being shipped from Hong Kong, China. WTF? :eek:

Thinking back, after all the added costs, I probably would have liked to buy something from within Canada, and much closer for cheaper shipping WTF? :eek:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/Cygolite-DualCross-Dual-Cross-Li-Ion-Lithium-Bike-Light_W0QQitemZ180139632747QQihZ008QQcategoryZ22689QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Sounds like it is worth a shot then. Be pretty good to buy a used one off eBay from someone actually in the same country, same neighbourhood would be better. Really good point, save on shipping and customs! I figure eBay is fairly safe. I read that PayPal has good coverage.

Grun
The prices seem pretty good. Cygolite news site says pro models coming soon so I guess the old stock is cheap.
Can you post a pic of the light on the bike, also is it possible to substitute another battery pack (need something that will run all night for an enduro).

Grun
The prices seem pretty good. Cygolite news site says pro models coming soon so I guess the old stock is cheap.
Can you post a pic of the light on the bike, also is it possible to substitute another battery pack (need something that will run all night for an enduro).

you can just plug in another battery pack into the head unit, I've made up my own battery packs, just have to make sure the voltage is compatible.

znomit: the price on beyondbikes has been that price for awhile actually (minus the july4th discount).

The Fenix P3D CE, alone, will beat the Cygolite DualCross!
Carry two spare batteries, and you have something more powerful, and lasts about as long, and is much cheaper. Wanna save more money? Go to dealextreme and get one of them Cree Editions there for much cheaper. Then mount the sucker!
(GO to my posts)
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=315846

expect cree edition light over dualcross!

I'm going to order the new P3D CE 100:
plus my cygo lite li-ion
plus 2 dx cree lights
:)

for the rear 3 PB blinky's and a Mar's 3.0 on the helmet.

I'm going to order the new P3D CE 100:
plus my cygo lite li-ion
plus 2 dx cree lights
:)

for the rear 3 PB blinky's and a Mar's 3.0 on the helmet.

I almost threw up when I read Cygolite. Scrap it!
One L2D CE alone kills it!

A DX Cree for $20 will kill it! Save the money and buy more P3D CE Prem.100.
The P3D Prem.100 will kill it like mad!

I almost threw up when I read Cygolite. Scrap it!
One L2D CE alone kills it!

A DX Cree for $20 will kill it! Save the money and buy more P3D CE Prem.100.
The P3D Prem.100 will kill it like mad!

The P3d's has great features, but don't the batteries only last 1.8hrs in Turbo mode (160 lumens), isn't this expensive in the long run having to buy the 2 x CR123a batteries for every ride, I think the energizers are about 2 USD each ?

There could be an option to use rechargeables, but there appears to be issues with the battery compatibility.
This is the quote from the Delkin Devices website

"Even though the rechargeable CR123A batteries can be used in most devices, cameras, flashlights, and other equipment which use standard CR123A batteries, we do not recommend their use in SUREFIRE or STREAMLINE brand flashlights. Bulb damage is possible due to the fact that rechargeable CR123A batteries have a little higher voltage than regular CR123A batteries. The bulbs of these flashlights are designed for regular CR123A batteries and usually will not last very long when used with the CR123A rechargeable battery."

Does anyone know whether this would apply to using rechargeable CR123A's in the Fenix lights.

The P3d's has great features, but don't the batteries only last 1.8hrs in Turbo mode (160 lumens), isn't this expensive in the long run having to buy the 2 x CR123a batteries for every ride, I think the energizers are about 2 USD each ?

Does anyone know whether this would apply to using rechargeable CR123A's in the Fenix lights.

First of all, there are rechargeables that would fit the P3D perfectly well. Second of all, you can stock up on a bunch of rechargeables. Granted, you could run out of juice after 1.8h, but even still, pop in a few new ones in 15seconds and you are ready to go for another 1.8h. These batteries are light and ultra tiny and much smaller and lighter than the Li-Ion of the Cygolite. It also takes up less room, the battery is self-contained inside the light. And I also started a thread on it for making a super easy mount, that is sturdy, and a quick release too!

And yes, directly from Fenix, they can be overvolted, you can use CR123 at 4.2V X2 for 8.4V and they will still work and not explode. Surefire and other ones have been reported to explode, but not the Fenix due to the nature of the Cree Edition LED.

You can spend $300-$400 on the next Cygolite premiums or the TridenX, but even then, with a handful of the P3D CE Prem.100's and you have a very powerful competitor even at $240, with the battery built into the light. My mount design can allow you to have 4 lights on your handlebars, for 800 lumens. The pre-order starts tomorrow for the Prem.100, and they are due for shipment in August. The Cygolite at best is around 110 lumens.

The Premium edition, P3D CE Prem.100 version is 200 lumens, not 160 lumens.

Grun, thanks for all the information on the Fenix and the rechargeables

Yeah, np. The new technology is so much better. Way more efficient and way way more powerful!
I was shocked at the new one...200 lumens!
Three of them is brighter than H.I.D. and plus you don't have to replace the bulb every year for $100. The 200 lumen Cree lasts 50,000 to 100,000h, something like if you let it burn non-stop, and kept changing out the batteries non-stop, the bulb could be run for a decade straight! wtf?

I'd need four of them to beat my 700 lumen HID. Nice to see the crees raising the bar though.

I've emailed Fenix-Store directly and thier li-ion RCR-123A's are protected cells to reduce deep discharge damage by cutting the drain when you reach the protected voltage range. Still keep 2 x CR-123A in case all RCR-123A's are out of power or that 'oh crap' situation when you need power STAT!

Yah the rechargeable cells are costly up front but pending how you're using them it'll be cheaper. For the normal joe with a flashlight on the hip as a light for minor jobs and personal illunimation if/when the powers out then normal CR-123A's would be good for them as they will probably change cells once a month. For riders/nighthawks like most of us chances are you'll drain the cells out once a night or two nights so it's cheaper to go RCR-123A's.


BTW for those with the Fenix P3D and are using RCR-123A's, I would like to know when you're on turbo/max mode when the batteries are low on power does the flashlight switch to low power mode so you don't get 'cut off' with the light and left in the dark? That is my greatest fear when you're going down a hill 55kph and the light cuts out on you, you are truely in the 'oh s---t' zone then hoping you've got enough good karma points on your side that you don't hit a pothole or such while you slow the hell down.

The P3d's has great features, but don't the batteries only last 1.8hrs in Turbo mode (160 lumens), isn't this expensive in the long run having to buy the 2 x CR123a batteries for every ride, I think the energizers are about 2 USD each ?

There could be an option to use rechargeables, but there appears to be issues with the battery compatibility.
This is the quote from the Delkin Devices website

"Even though the rechargeable CR123A batteries can be used in most devices, cameras, flashlights, and other equipment which use standard CR123A batteries, we do not recommend their use in SUREFIRE or STREAMLINE brand flashlights. Bulb damage is possible due to the fact that rechargeable CR123A batteries have a little higher voltage than regular CR123A batteries. The bulbs of these flashlights are designed for regular CR123A batteries and usually will not last very long when used with the CR123A rechargeable battery."

Does anyone know whether this would apply to using rechargeable CR123A's in the Fenix lights.

the Fenix is ok with rechargeables, since it is regulated and accepts a wide range of Volt rating from what i know.

fenix p3d
besides the rechargeable RCR123's can it use one of them LONG rechargeable batteries? would that give it a longer run time?

I almost threw up when I read Cygolite. Scrap it!
One L2D CE alone kills it!

A DX Cree for $20 will kill it! Save the money and buy more P3D CE Prem.100.
The P3D Prem.100 will kill it like mad!

hahah yeah I think the Fenix lights are good.
one good thing about the cygolite is the run time. too late for me...i have a cygolite already.
waiting for my p3d 100 :)

hahah yeah I think the Fenix lights are good.
one good thing about the cygolite is the run time. too late for me...i have a cygolite already.
waiting for my p3d 100 :)

so did you pre-order the rebel 100 yet?
the 80 that were due are sold-out now

I'd need four of them to beat my 700 lumen HID. Nice to see the crees raising the bar though.

well...
LED's last far longer, and are much sturdier

and four Crees must be a heck of a lot cheaper than your 700 lumen HID

sounds too good to be true?

there is one small catch, and it is a small one, you will need to get mounts for your bike, you gotta basically make one yerself

well...
LED's last far longer, and are much sturdier

and four Crees must be a heck of a lot cheaper than your 700 lumen HID

sounds too good to be true?

there is one small catch, and it is a small one, you will need to get mounts for your bike, you gotta basically make one yerself

yeah I ordered my p3d rebel 100...(the 80's are still available)

https://www.fenix-store.com/index.php?cPath=25_66
i just got those yesterday and they work perfectly for my flashlights.

MountainMiker
only thing about the flashlights is the run time. to get the full lumens of at the highest setting on the fenix, the run time will be a lot shorter then the cygolite. so you would have to replace the batteries from time to time on a long ride.

most of my mtn biking in the dark is under 1 hour so im ok in that front.
:)

just a fyi.

MountainMiker
only thing about the flashlights is the run time. to get the full lumens of at the highest setting on the fenix, the run time will be a lot shorter then the cygolite. so you would have to replace the batteries from time to time on a long ride.

most of my mtn biking in the dark is under 1 hour so im ok in that front.
:)

just a fyi.

I am not so worried about it. I want it light, so the Li-Ion version would be best for me. I could go 3.5h on the Li-Ion Cygolite, or get ultra bright lights with a pair of Rebel 100 P3D Limited Edition Premiums (400 lumens), then take a 10s stop and switch out a fresh set of batteries and get the same run time, 3.5h. But it would be way safer and brighter at 400 lumens for the P3D Rebel 100 Premiums versus 100lumens with the Cygolite.

But my setup is different, Rebel 100 on left handlebar side arched left, tightly with an L2D CE, 135 lumens, then a Rebel 100 on rightside arched right, a P3D Standard 160 lumen (or dealextreme, 2XRCR123 Cree Edition) one the steer tube facing straight (lower by six inches than the handlebar), and a Cree Edition ~130-150 lumen on the helmet (2XRCR123).

The L2D CE, and the other P3D CE (standards) can be replaced with cheaper ones from dealextreme.
So we are talking about 800 lumens here, with a good spread.

Basically flooded front, and a power spot on the helmet. Brighter than an H.I.D. and cheaper.

MM, what cygo is that 100 lumen figure from? Is that from going back to the LED mfr's data or something?

MM, what cygo is that 100 lumen figure from? Is that from going back to the LED mfr's data or something?

I think its just a rough estimate people have in regards to the cygolite.
my personal estimate is around 120 lumens for the cygolite li-ion.

I am not so worried about it. I want it light, so the Li-Ion version would be best for me. I could go 3.5h on the Li-Ion Cygolite, or get ultra bright lights with a pair of Rebel 100 P3D Limited Edition Premiums (400 lumens), then take a 10s stop and switch out a fresh set of batteries and get the same run time, 3.5h. But it would be way safer and brighter at 400 lumens for the P3D Rebel 100 Premiums versus 100lumens with the Cygolite.

But my setup is different, Rebel 100 on left handlebar side arched left, tightly with an L2D CE, 135 lumens, then a Rebel 100 on rightside arched right, a P3D Standard 160 lumen (or dealextreme, 2XRCR123 Cree Edition) one the steer tube facing straight (lower by six inches than the handlebar), and a Cree Edition ~130-150 lumen on the helmet (2XRCR123).

The L2D CE, and the other P3D CE (standards) can be replaced with cheaper ones from dealextreme.
So we are talking about 800 lumens here, with a good spread.

Basically flooded front, and a power spot on the helmet. Brighter than an H.I.D. and cheaper.

Sweet set up :)

MM, what cygo is that 100 lumen figure from? Is that from going back to the LED mfr's data or something?

no, it is from real estimates comparing against LED sources of known lumens
the manufacturer is very sneaky

they won't give the lumens, but will keep saying, oh, well, comparable to 20Watt halogen

but you have to standardize it somehow, and talk in lumens for comparison

no, it is from real estimates comparing against LED sources of known lumens
the manufacturer is very sneaky

they won't give the lumens, but will keep saying, oh, well, comparable to 20Watt halogen

but you have to standardize it somehow, and talk in lumens for comparison

They are sneaky. How many lumens would you expect from 20W halo on comparable target?

They are sneaky. How many lumens would you expect from 20W halo on comparable target?

At the very least, 10 lumens/Watt, 200 lumens for a 20Watt halo setup.
And this is a low value.
400 lumens is on a good setup (20lumens/Watt).