Electronics, Lighting, & Gadgets - Cygolite DualCross 300 200 Li-ion

Does anyone here own the DualCross from Cygolite? If so have you been able to compare it to a halogen system?

http://www.cygolite.com/2-Products/1-DualCross%20Li-Ion.jpg

http://www.cygolite.com/light/Photos-Cygolite.com/products/DC-light-comparisonv3.jpg

I own the 300 (non-Lion), but I cannot compare it to a halogen.

I still love the Dual Cross. Wouldn't replace it. Most cars still think I'm a
motorcycle.

CE

Most cars still think I'm a
motorcycle.

CE

You are $hi%@ing me! :D

I have the dualcross 300, which I use as my primary headlight when commuting in the winter. I find it plenty bright for the rural roads that I ride where there are no streetlights. Not as bright as a motorcycle headlamp, but plenty bright. I also have a generator powered headlamp which is not nearly as bright, but I never have to worry about batteries.

I have the dualcross 300, which I use as my primary headlight when commuting in the winter. I find it plenty bright for the rural roads that I ride where there are no streetlights. Not as bright as a motorcycle headlamp, but plenty bright. I also have a generator powered headlamp which is not nearly as bright, but I never have to worry about batteries.

From all I've read and seen on this light online the light output seems to be the same be it li-ion or nimh. Just the battery, weight, and charger difference is all. Nice light but I'd wait tillit drops a bit more in price before buying it.

http://www.beyondbikes.com seems to have the lowest price out there.

From all I've read and seen on this light online the light output seems to be the same be it li-ion or nimh. Just the battery, weight, and charger difference is all. Nice light but I'd wait tillit drops a bit more in price before buying it.

http://www.beyondbikes.com seems to have the lowest price out there.
thanks zero yeah

do you know how the service and quality of merchandise is at beyond bikes?

very close to pricepoint i found
a buck for two off...

i am from canada

any canadians order from em?

thanks zero yeah

do you know how the service and quality of merchandise is at beyond bikes?

very close to pricepoint i found
a buck for two off...

i am from canada

any canadians order from em?

Where in Canada are yah mate? I've never bought from them but almost. I'm looking to DIY right now as my mate has secured me 3 high power LED's. I admit the Dual Cross is still a unit I would like to own along with a Dinotte so I can have some commercial product in my collection. :D Just a read on http://www.mtbr.com on the Dual Cross turned up good comments on the light quality. Service wise I don't know as I've never bought from them.

I have heard of people using Preformance or Amazon and using Beyondbikes as a pricematch. I've bought stuff of Amazon before and they're good to deal with but that was just DVD's.

Where in Canada are yah mate? I've never bought from them but almost. I'm looking to DIY right now as my mate has secured me 3 high power LED's. I admit the Dual Cross is still a unit I would like to own along with a Dinotte so I can have some commercial product in my collection. :D Just a read on http://www.mtbr.com on the Dual Cross turned up good comments on the light quality. Service wise I don't know as I've never bought from them.

I have heard of people using Preformance or Amazon and using Beyondbikes as a pricematch. I've bought stuff of Amazon before and they're good to deal with but that was just DVD's.
yeah ontario

the big city which is getting kinda famous now since the sars thing and we are getting so much like new york city

we have bay street they have wallstreet
and now we have trump moving in

I have a Fenix L2D CE which pumps out 135 lumens it is quite bright
i wasn't sure whether a stack of 2 or 2 L2D CE would be enough to over power one of the Cygolite DualCrosses.

If I added a DualCross Li-Ion, it would run me up $260

If I add 2X Fenix P3D CE, it would only run me up an additional $170

If the Fenix pair is brighter, I would go with that. Pumping out 320 lumens

20W halogens can pump out 200-600 lumens

but no one can substantiate that the Dualcross will pump out that much.

For about $260, I can make a triple stack of P3D CE (quite easily with velcro and zip ties), and it would be sure to pump out 480 lumens

yeah ontario

the big city which is getting kinda famous now since the sars thing and we are getting so much like new york city

we have bay street they have wallstreet
and now we have trump moving in

I have a Fenix L2D CE which pumps out 135 lumens it is quite bright
i wasn't sure whether a stack of 2 or 2 L2D CE would be enough to over power one of the Cygolite DualCrosses.

If I added a DualCross Li-Ion, it would run me up $260

If I add 2X Fenix P3D CE, it would only run me up an additional $170

If the Fenix pair is brighter, I would go with that. Pumping out 320 lumens

20W halogens can pump out 200-600 lumens

but no one can substantiate that the Dualcross will pump out that much.

For about $260, I can make a triple stack of P3D CE (quite easily with velcro and zip ties), and it would be sure to pump out 480 lumens

Trumps moving into Toronto? Anyways, I've not seent he Dual Cross on the streets myself. If you get it I would love to see how it looks in person as my local LBS's here don't have it and the one that does stock Cygolite products has really inflated prices and does not have the DualCross in stock but if I wanted it in stock I'd have to buy it for them to bring a model in. :(

I have the standard DualCross 300 which I have been using for over 6 months now and am very happy with it.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j226/lannes2007/IMG_6358-1.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j226/lannes2007/IMG_6372.jpg

brighter than a halogen, but less intense than HID, but price wise much better

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j226/lannes2007/IMG_6358-1.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j226/lannes2007/IMG_6372.jpg

brighter than a halogen, but less intense than HID, but price wise much better
how is the side spill?

how is the side spill?

Its pretty good because of the twin led configuration, wider than most single lamps, very even light coverage.

protects you from drunken or bluehaired cagers from oncoming traffic?
how's about from cagers on your right, creeping out of intersections? they see you good?

protects you from drunken or bluehaired cagers from oncoming traffic?
how's about from cagers on your right, creeping out of intersections? they see you good?

To put it simply everybody stops for you, with the dual cross on.

To put it simply everybody stops for you, with the dual cross on.
I am mainly interested in a light for seeing the ground before me, and for oncoming cagers to see me as a threat to their safety (light an oncoming motorbike of sorts). In that way, they will slow down to avoid colliding with me. I know with a dinky little Cateye LED (not doubleshot/tripleshot) that cars will try to run me over.

But it would be dangerous if they come from the sides and cannot see me if I don't have side spill (can see me from the sides).

That is better.

But I hear that halogen is better for side spill.

But I hear that halogen is better for side spill.

It seems like that's a property of reflectors/optics rather than the light source per se. That's what the generator light people say, anyway. The best comparison would have to be side-by-side

My cygo halo lamp is aging ungracefully enough that I am definitely interested in LED alternatives. But I guess I already have A for whatever future A-B comparison I might run. The cygo dealer in town here doesn't stock the dual cross (but he'd order it, I'm sure), I'll have to ask him why.

It seems like that's a property of reflectors/optics rather than the light source per se. That's what the generator light people say, anyway. The best comparison would have to be side-by-side

My cygo halo lamp is aging ungracefully enough that I am definitely interested in LED alternatives. But I guess I already have A for whatever future A-B comparison I might run. The cygo dealer in town here doesn't stock the dual cross (but he'd order it, I'm sure), I'll have to ask him why.

If you could get the B in the comparison, I would love to hear about it!

For now I am tossed between a 32W dual halogen setup from NiteRider, and the DualCross from Cygolite Li-Ion. The 32W I am sure will outshine the DualCross, but by how much? And I like it more because it has more side spill. But even in the case of the 32W halogen, I would still have a helmet lamp to shine on drivers that are coming toward me, or from the sides. So I could go for the DualCross which has a really light battery and small too, and it lasts much longer even at full power. 3.0hours versus 1.3hours in the halogen.

Halogen: NiteRider Classic Plus (32 Watt Halogen)

http://www.performancebike.com/product_images/500/40-3620-NCL-MOUNTED.jpg

Cygolite DualCross Li-Ion (High-Power LED)

http://www.pricepoint.com/images/styleImages/D_225%20CYGDL6.jpg
http://www.cygolite.com/5-News-Reviews/News/Lion-bat-Comp.jpg

From looking at the designs of the halogen and the dual cross, I can't see how the side spill of the halogen would be anymore given the identical lens orientation. The niteriders battery would be much heavier and take longer to charge. I have both the dual cross battery types and use the Ni-mh for the MTB.

If you want greater side visibility, why don't you use a flasher (Knog Frog) pointed sideways.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j226/lannes2007/IMG_6449.jpg
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From looking at the designs of the halogen and the dual cross, I can't see how the side spill of the halogen would be anymore given the identical lens orientation. The niteriders battery would be much heavier and take longer to charge. I have both the dual cross battery types and use the Ni-mh for the MTB.

If you want greater side visibility, why don't you use a flasher (Knog Frog) pointed sideways.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j226/lannes2007/IMG_6449.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j226/lannes2007/IMG_6453.jpg
So you really think I should get it, eh?
I will put my trust in you then, eh.

So you really think I should get it, eh?
I will put my trust in you then, eh.

I think you've already made up your mind, I'm totally happy with my dual cross, thats why I have 2.

Just mount a blinkie or other low cost "be seen" light on each of your seat stays or other appropriate place. IMO, that's better safety then any headlight's spillover.

I think you've already made up your mind, I'm totally happy with my dual cross, thats why I have 2.
two on one bike? or just two, one as a backup or on other bike?:eek:

two on one bike? or just two, one as a backup or on other bike?:eek:

I've got one on the road bike (li-ion) and one on the wife's mountain bike (ni-mh). Sometimes I use the ni-mh when I need the extra battery endurance. Two on the one bike would be overkill.

I've got one on the road bike (li-ion) as its lighter and one on the wife's mountain bike (ni-mh). Sometimes I use the ni-mh when I need the extra battery endurance.
Hey Kleng, you still around?

Do you think it is best to get the Li-Ion or the Ni-MH version?

Can the Li-Ion head, be used with the Ni-MH battery, or must it only be used with the Li-Ion battery?

Do you know if the charger for the Li-Ion battery can be used for the Ni-MH battery?

Hey Kleng, you still around?

Do you think it is best to get the Li-Ion or the Ni-MH version?

Can the Li-Ion head, be used with the Ni-MH battery, or must it only be used with the Li-Ion battery?

Do you know if the charger for the Li-Ion battery can be used for the Ni-MH battery?

It all depends on what duration you want, the NI-mh has a slightly longer duration.
For the road bike I changed to the Li-ion due to the reduced weight, anyway 3.5hr rides in the dark are about as long as I'll go. You definitely feel the extra weight of the Ni-mh and the Li-ion is easier to mount as well. The cable from the Li-ion battery is much shorter, so you will need to mount it on the stem or bars in order for it to reach the head unit. The Ni-Mh cable is much longer allowing you to carry the battery in a jersey pocket or somewhere else on the frame. They have released a helmet mount for the head unit, to use the li-ion with this you'll need to strap the battery to the helmet somehow as the cable is not long enough. Can you imagine a dualcross on the helmet and one on the stem, now that would be some "serious" lighting.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j226/lannes2007/DualCrossHelmet.jpg

According to cygolite, you can't use the li-ion charger with the ni-mh battery, I have'nt tried for fear of melting anything. I thought I could just get the li-ion battery and use the ni-mh charger and head, but the connectors between the battery packs are slightly different. You can use the li-ion battery with the normal head, but you can't use the ni-mh battery with the li-ion head unit as the male connector on the head is larger than the female battery connector. You could get both battery packs to work with the li-ion head but you would have to change the male connector on the head unit.

Apparently the output volts and amps are different for each battery type, which means they not compatible. not sure if this accurate or just cygolite marketing. I rigged up a small (about li-ion size) 4xAA ni-mh (10,000 mah total) battery pack to the to the ni-mh head unit and it worked at the same high output, duration was about 1.5-2hrs, thats if you don't want to spring for the li-ion, bear in mind this is not a waterproof setup like the li-ion is.

The charging method for Li-Ion and NiMH would be different also. Some types of batteries prefer a constant DC charge whereas some batteries prefer short bursts of current.

Grun:
the LI-Ion head can only be used with the LI-ion battery as the internal workings are set up differently...although they look similar on the outside.
I would opt for the Li-ion as the battery is really small and light. I have the li-ion version and am very happy with it. It does not spill flood light as much as a halogen, but it is bright and has good battery time. I got a helmet mount and was about to purchase another one, but noticed the TridenX coming out (so i'm going to wait for that or the dual li-ion pro). In regards to using it as a helmet light....they don't have an extension cord for it yet...but they are working on it....so for right now you have to strap the battery to the helmet...but the battery is only 5oz...i've tried it...it's not too bad if you balance it right. One other thing, the helmet mount is something you have to order sperately for $15.
btw: beyond bikes has a july4th promo 10% off right now...so thats going to be the best deal around :)
I love the dual cross...

opps kleg...explained most of it already...didn't see page 2 :X
im a noob...so i guess i'll use that as my excuse...and im sticking to it.

btw: beyond bikes has a july4th promo 10% off right now...so thats going to be the best deal around :)
I love the dual cross...

I took advantage of the 10% at BeyondBikes when I placed my order last week. My package should be here any day now.

I took advantage of the 10% at BeyondBikes when I placed my order last week. My package should be here any day now.
I took advantage of the 10% at BeyondBikes when I placed my order last week. My package should be here any day now.

^hehe

Do I hear an echo? echo?

...echo....

I took advantage of the 10% at BeyondBikes when I placed my order last week. My package should be here any day now.

Let me know how BB follows through. I'm interested in how well they pack and ship thier stuff to the T.O. Any chance a local can check out the light once you're used to the light? This light has been on the consideration block for some time now.

For me, my order got a bit delayed. I called BB and it looks like they're on backorder. Guess lots of folks ordered stuff during the 4th of July sale. But because of the discounted price, I'm not complaining. I can wait. Friendly customer service on the phone.

Let me know how BB follows through. I'm interested in how well they pack and ship thier stuff to the T.O. Any chance a local can check out the light once you're used to the light? This light has been on the consideration block for some time now.

My man, Zero, I got you covered. It will arrive tomorrow. I also have a powerful Cree Edition LED Fenix, and I want to compare the two. It should be exciting. I will let you know how the packing goes and all. :)

Remember not to angle the dual-cross to high, I unfortunately forced some cars coming towards me to pull over as I blinded them.

I got one of them $20 cree flashlights (rechargeable) from dealextreme awhile ago...and I think that is brighter then the dual cross...but it's very close.... :)
I ordered a bike mount for the flashlight (haha we'll see how it holds up) and maybe i can run both.

Let me know how BB follows through. I'm interested in how well they pack and ship thier stuff to the T.O. Any chance a local can check out the light once you're used to the light? This light has been on the consideration block for some time now. i just got it
these are some pics for the packaging

will do a light output test in 3-4 when the battery is charged


http://i14.tinypic.com/52uuiog.jpg
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^Ah man, I'm still waiting for mine.

bump, waiting for the comparisions :)

the spot is hotter on the dualcross and larger

you can seem to see it from a wider angle (more side spillage) with the dualcross

the head is wider, and larger deflector, that is what accounts for this

this is to be expected since the dualcross is like $130 more than the Fenix L2D CE

the run time is also longer, going for like 3.5 hours on the dualcross

you might be able to get one cheaper used, and that will maximize the value

battery is really small, kinda cool looking

adjustable modes and you can also get a seizure strobe, or a blinky type mode which you can use, and it is super bright

btw, DO NOT LOOK DIRECTLY INTO THE LIGHT! YOU WILL BE BLINDED!

When you ask for side spillage, it allows for more cars to see you from the sides which is better for safety.
http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/Lights/Cygolite_DualCross_Li-Ion.jpg

btw, the dualcross has a low battery indicator

for me, the fenix, just decides to die out and i found it kinda frustrating:mad:

btw, the dualcross has a low battery indicator

for me, the fenix, just decides to die out and i found it kinda frustrating:mad:
elusor: this true for fenix not has the indicator

modes for light autmoatic for lower setting for weak batteris!

you say buy cheap used?

yes better deal for www.ebay.com or craiglist!

rei sell dualcross for $230
perofmance maybe and pricepoint and beyond sell aslo

ebay maybe $160? maybe $150? much cheaps

yes, for NOT TO LOOKING INSIDE DUALCROSS WILL BLINDS!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

EBay sells Cygolites

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=cygolite&category0=

http://www.harborcountrybike.com/Cygo_Lite_Dual_Cross_Headlight_p/134665.htm this for nimh heavy batt.

nimh about 2-3X weight size lithium
lithium new class

for use in laptops

Remember not to angle the dual-cross to high, I unfortunately forced some cars coming towards me to pull over as I blinded them.



im not so sure thats a bad thing..... ;)

ebay maybe $160? maybe $150? much cheaps

yes, for NOT TO LOOKING INSIDE DUALCROSS WILL BLINDS!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:


im not so sure thats a bad thing..... ;)

wow?! really? that Cygolite DualCross is THAT bright?

:eek: :eek: :eek:

wow?! really? that Cygolite DualCross is THAT bright?

:eek: :eek: :eek:
good bright for.

nice to see things nights! gooden

So you really think I should get it, eh?
I will put my trust in you then, eh.

Grun, would recommend the Dual Cross now that you've got one ? Does it live up to your expectations ?