Foo - Who Killed Rock & Roll?

The 80's music thread got me to reminiscing. There used to be a lot of great rock bands in the 60's, 70's, 80's and a little in the early ninties, but then something happened. Who killed it? Was it rap/ hip-hop or Nirvana?

Yes.

MTV.

Oh, and Stacey.

MTV.



MTV doesn't play music.

Something called "bad taste."

Clear Channel

you do not listen to the variety of Rock and Roll. It never died. It's doing fine. Just the US media will do all in it's power to not let you hear it. Radio is for selling crap not for entertaining. Just as news is marketed, so is entertainment. The list of awesome artists is huge. The list could go on and on.
A few Jason Kraz, Blues Traveler, Train, Barenaked Ladies, Jack Johnson, Duncan Sheik, Keane, Collective Soul, Howie Day, Cowboy Junkies, Jayhawks, Neil Finn, Dishwalla, Robert Bradley's Blackwater Surprise, Natalie Merchant. Great talent out there, if they will let you hear it.
wanta hear some good music.
I suggest this link will tell you how it is possible.

http://www.futureofmusic.org/

you do not listen to the variety of Rock and Roll. It never died. It's doing fine. Just the US media will do all in it's power to not let you hear it. Radio is for selling crap not for entertaining. Just as news is marketed, so is entertainment. The list of awesome artists is huge. The list could go on and on.
A few Jason Kraz, Blues Traveler, Train, Barenaked Ladies, Jack Johnson, Duncan Sheik, Keane, Collective Soul, Howie Day, Cowboy Junkies, Jayhawks, Neil Finn, Dishwalla, Robert Bradley's Blackwater Surprise, Natalie Merchant. Great talent out there, if they will let you hear it.
wanta hear some good music.
I suggest this link will tell you how it is possible.

http://www.futureofmusic.org/

Hardly anyone listens to Rock & Roll, it's dead.

Depends on what you would consider rock and roll. I listen to Indie Rock and Nu Metal.

My guess is people wanted to push the envelope and it turned into heavy metal, then everybody realized that it heavy metal sucked. It got to the point (and still is in some parts) where anyone that could scream and play power chords could do metal, leaving a big hole between metal and softcore stuff. Around this time, the rap scene began and somehow filled that hole with a younger crowd.

The things I listen to are a mixture between alternative and metal. It sounds strange, but when you hear a crushing blow on the guitar followed by vocals that have an almost unlimited range, it hits home pretty hard.

When you go to a CD store or browse iTunes, czech out the band Chevelle, especially their new album "Vena Sera". Give Breaking Benjamin a look as well.

MTV doesn't play music.

It did at one point.

TWho killed it? Was it rap/ hip-hop or Nirvana?

These guys:

http://www.bighairmetal.com/poison_flesh_blood.jpg


... Brad

Train? Jack Johnson? Barenaked Ladies?

Is this what passes for rock?!?!?!?! :eek:

I'm going to go kill myself now.

Screw it, I'll just put on Zep I...

...good times bad times, you know I've had my share, well my woman left home for a brown-eyed man, but I still don't seem to care

Ahhh, much better :)

There is definitely some rock to be had, although it's pretty slim pickings. Honkin' On Bobo by Aerosmith is a fairly recent album that I would consider rock, but apart from that, I haven't really heard any recent music that I would classify as rock. Lots of local rock bands around the place, but nothing commercial.

Hang on, isn't that how rock is supposed to be??? I think maybe it's just returned to an earlier form where people do rock for the love of it (it used to be about the music man ;) ), rather than as a purely commercial venture.

we all have our own definitions of rock and roll. It's a big tent. Aerosmith never did anything for this house.

People have been saying rock is dead for so long the statement itself is completely ridiculous. There seems to be this standard whereby adults stop appreciating new music and only consider music of their generation to be 'real'. How sad. People do not stop making good art just because you turned 30.

Open your mind.

This type of thread goes far beyond cliche.
Sure the taste of popular culture will change and lots of music sucks today as it always has.
Rock and Roll is not now nor has it ever been about a few "classic rock" bands from the 60s and 70s.
Rock and Roll is still quite relevant, are you?

Clear Channel

Amen to that. Those dirty bastards.

I point my finger at bands like Korn, Disturbed, Linkin Park, Kid Rock, and all the other largely worthless trash that has the nerve to call themselves rock bands.

Good rock is still out there, but fading fast. Bands like The Who, Steppenwolf, The Doors, Motley Crue, Megadeth, Dio doing various shows, Twisted Sister, Ozzy, Blue Oyster Cult, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Rush, Thin Lizzy, Rush, they're still out there and actively touring. But they're getting old, and few big time acts are stepping up to the plate to replace them, and that is largely because of ****** bags like the ****ers at Clear Channel.

These guys:

http://www.bighairmetal.com/poison_flesh_blood.jpg


... Brad
Wow....that's EXACTLY what I was going to say.


First off, rock is NOT dead. There's still plenty of good rock bands. But rock sure took a hard blow back around late 80s to early 90s. I blame hair bands (Poison being the most classic example).....they really pussified rock. So much so that suddenly bands that were real rock didn't want to be associated with them and called themselves "alternative rock" just to distinguish themselves.

I think Phil Spector shot it in 1997. He said it had to be put down.

Really though there is still plenty of rock to be had out there, it just takes a little digging to find it. What do you consider rock?

Do YOU remember Rock and Roll Radio? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJizV-d3sEQ)
I'm fairly certain with the amount of drugs that went through their veins, they certainly don't remember it.

Considering most of them are dead.

And none of their last names were Ramone.

It did at one point.
those days are gone, and they were awesome! now MTV sends half the time with tacky celebrity gossips shows

John Travolta

God, I thought I was bitter and old, you guys take the cake. You definition of rock is really narrow minded, sheesh.

Rock isn't dead, it fought and evolved defined by the rockers who started it. Rock isn't stagnent (thank god) it ever evolves and becomes different. Thats what is great about rock. If rock was still in the 70's, it really would be dead.

Rock isn't dead, the rock is just dead inside most of you.

Amen to that. Those dirty bastards.

I point my finger at bands like Korn, Disturbed, Linkin Park, Kid Rock, and all the other largely worthless trash that has the nerve to call themselves rock bands.

Good rock is still out there, but fading fast. Bands like The Who, Steppenwolf, The Doors, Motley Crue, Megadeth, Dio doing various shows, Twisted Sister, Ozzy, Blue Oyster Cult, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Rush, Thin Lizzy, Rush, they're still out there and actively touring. But they're getting old, and few big time acts are stepping up to the plate to replace them, and that is largely because of ****** bags like the ****ers at Clear Channel.

Curious, how do you feel about the fact ozzy loves a lot of the new rock (industrial, alt, that weird **** from england etc) and funded most of the bands you hate creating a huge buzz for that "non" rock with his many festivals. If you think those killed rock, than ozzy was at the forefront taking rock down.

I agree everyone you named is rock, your viewpoint on the subject is freaking narrow though, and what the hell is clear channel. :)

God, I thought I was bitter and old, you guys take the cake. You definition of rock is really narrow minded, sheesh.

Rock isn't dead, it fought and evolved defined by the rockers who started it. Rock isn't stagnent (thank god) it ever evolves and becomes different. Thats what is great about rock. If rock was still in the 70's, it really would be dead.

Rock isn't dead, the rock is just dead inside most of you.

I must respectfully disagree with you Maelstrom. So much of the emo crap that "rock" stations play sounds like a combination of sounds of an outhouse, childish whining, and nails on a chalkboard.

There are newer bands I like some, like The Offspring and The Foo Fighters, but by and large, I dislike new "rock".

Edit: As for Ozzy, he's anything but a genius. He's a living example of what drugs will do. He did and still does make okay music, but he's certainly not a person I have respect for.

Good rock is still out there, but fading fast. Bands like The Who, Steppenwolf, The Doors, Motley Crue, Megadeth, Dio doing various shows, Twisted Sister, Ozzy, Blue Oyster Cult, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Rush, Thin Lizzy, Rush, they're still out there and actively touring. But they're getting old, and few big time acts are stepping up to the plate to replace them, and that is largely because of ****** bags like the ****ers at Clear Channel.


So, what you're saying is that the bands you've listed are the last real rock? I wasn't even alive when half of those bands made their name. When I hear them I can appreciate the sound for what it is: Classic.

The Classic genre is sort of making a comeback. The British invasion sound is making waves with the bands like Franz Ferdinand, but you don't see them at the top of any chart regardless of genre. Classic rock had it's time and that's the reason for the "classic" designation.

There are plenty of bands stepping it up in "rock" right now, but if you are searching for the "classic sound" you should probably stick with your cassette deck.

Not a fan of emo myself, just because the kids interpret the music like ******* doesnt make the music crap. Last time I checked, unless emo's are getting angry, not one group you named (or their counterparts) actually fits the emo mold (thank god) emo take the angst and depression of grunge to a whole new level.

Yep, you're right, I didn't name off any punk assed emo bands. But since you asked, how about Puddle Of Mud and Greenday?

Seriously, I betcha 20bucks that this is what my father (and other fathers) was saying in the 70's as deep purple, led zepplin and steppenwolf were coming into the mold.

"jesus what is this crap, this isn't rock, what happened to buddy holly, the king etc..."

Yep, you're right, I didn't name off any punk assed emo bands. But since you asked, how about Puddle Of Mud and Greenday?

hahaha...puddle of mud had that one hit right 1999 (maybe more but I don't really listen to them)...loud, it was fun to thrash to.

Greenday I don't mind, but I don't buy their music if that answers your question haha. I remember when greenday wasn't emo...pre-2000

MTV.

Oh, and Stacey.
Crap, I get blamed for EVERYTHING!!!

Look, there are plenty of people who are still wearing "stone washed" jeans as well. So I guess stone washed jeans aren't dead either. But they certainly aren't mainstream. Rock and roll used to be mainstream for a long time. I think Rap/Hip-Hop and the lust for the Prison culture and street life killed it.

..
Hey hey, my my
Rock and roll can never die
There's more to the picture
Than meets the eye.
Hey hey, my my.

http://haxxors.org/~monger/Hey-Hey_My-My.mp3

Very strange thread to see right after finishing reading this in the paper. Electroman was a really cool band back in the day. Rip Mark.

http://www.buffalonews.com/entertainment/story/100082.html

Yep, you're right, I didn't name off any punk assed emo bands. But since you asked, how about Puddle Of Mud and Greenday?
Neither of those bands are emo. If you want emo bands, just ask. I'll link you off some.

I personally think that rock n roll hasn't died. I think it evolved into metal, and all these sub genres. I love tons of new bands, I respect older bands. Out of the old school only thing I listen to is zeppelin, metallica, megadeath, little bit of dio, some aerosmith, etc. I just think lots of people are stuck in a rut of saying all old stuff is real rock and all new stuff is crap, that's fine. But me, I have taste for everything an definitely won't limit myself to all old stuff.

Newer bands that are awesome: killswitch engage, Ill nino, pantera(not really very new), tool, 36 crazy fists, nonpoint, sevendust.

The 80's music thread got me to reminiscing. There used to be a lot of great rock bands in the 60's, 70's, 80's and a little in the early ninties, but then something happened. Who killed it? Was it rap/ hip-hop or Nirvana?

bad hair bands like poison and g'n'r and winger and warrant and motley crue, etc. nirvana sounded awesome after hairbands got away from guitar rock.

bad hair bands like poison and g'n'r and winger and warrant and motley crue, etc. nirvana sounded awesome after hairbands got away from guitar rock.

Those are all bad hair bands. Except Motley Crue, an example of a good hair band.

Twisted Sister was also a good hair band :lol:

the crue's 1st 2 albums were pretty good. after that, every album of their's had one or two rockin' songs and the rest were all girlie music.

Anyone ever into the New Meanies?

http://dropd.com/issue/89/CD/NewMeanies/cover.jpg

Great album. Pick it up. Wish they'd put out another.

thats to easy MTV and teeny boppers and those emo BSTARDS

So because it's not 'mainstream' means it dead?

I dunno. I used to love Metallica. Then they became 'mainstream'.

What does mainstream mean? More people listen to it therefore it isn't cool anymore?

If it sounds good to my ears I listen to it. Period. I don't care if it's considered cool or not to listen to mainstream music.

The new album sucked, everything before that I liked. THe sound definitely changed somewhere around the black album however.

Rock never died, it just spent some time in intensive care.

God, I thought I was bitter and old, you guys take the cake. You definition of rock is really narrow minded, sheesh.

Rock isn't dead, it fought and evolved defined by the rockers who started it. Rock isn't stagnent (thank god) it ever evolves and becomes different. Thats what is great about rock. If rock was still in the 70's, it really would be dead.

Rock isn't dead, the rock is just dead inside most of you.
:beer: :beer: :beer:

Well said, Maelstrom. :)

Maybe not the best example, in and of itself, but this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfvlrX3BbuU) says it (in spirit).

Rock aint dead son, you just don't know where to look.

The Fratellis, SOAD, Dropkick Murpheys, The White Stripes, Muse, Arctic Monkeys, RHCP, Arcade Fire, The Shins, The Smashing Pumpkins, etc.

Thanks be to the Gods for WEQX, best radio station ever.

Rock aint dead son, you just don't know where to look.

...The White Stripes...



Look to country music singers :D


Lorreta Lynn Duet w/Jack White: http://www.thecrutch.net/mp3/lorettalynn-portlandoregon.mp3

Rock aint dead son, you just don't know where to look.

The Fratellis, SOAD, Dropkick Murpheys, The White Stripes, Muse, Arctic Monkeys, RHCP, Arcade Fire, The Shins, The Smashing Pumpkins, etc.

Thanks be to the Gods for WEQX, best radio station ever.

Lets see if after Thirty Years if any of these bands have the Staying Power of Led Zepplin,Pink Floyd,AC/DC,Rush or Black Sabbath!
My 17 Yo. Neice put on a Chevelle CD...And when I put on "Cities In Flame of Rock and Roll" By Blue Oyster Cult she asked if that was a "New" band she hadent heard yet!!! ROTFLMAO!!

Wow, white stripes rock?

Hell no.

Metallica is releasing a new album early next year. They claim Lars actually tuned his snare this time.