"The 33"-Road Bike Racing - Pcad pulls the trigger

Again.

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$2250 shipped on eBay. Cdale crankset, D.A. shifters, nice carbon clip ons,
Mavic Ksyrium Elite wheels (I'll be putting my Zipps on), semi-cheesy Cdale
CF brakeset. I'm not worried about stopping on this bike, and my Zipp 404's
will go on the bike. Anybody want to buy a nice set of Ksyrium Elites?

Test rode the same bike at the LBS today. Equivalent deal there for a new bike
would have been closer to $4K with tax. The 54cm TT bike fit me great and felt like
a TT version of my Six13 (because that's what it is). PERFECT.

Ebay RULES.

I thought you already had one? Cervelo?

baller

How many bullets do you have?

pulls the trigger? WTF?

Score!

TT seems inevitable but I'll never get a 613 past the finance department.

No Cervelo mon petit weenies. Cdale Por Favor.

Sorry to disappoint. Pcad does not own a firearm. But if I did off myself you'd all be so friggin bored.

I take back everything I said about not crashing on a TT bike. I rode one 3 miles today, I'm not sure how I survived the experience. That's going to take a lot of bike time before I'm comfortable with that. I kept trying to shift gears with my brake levers : ).

It took me about a week to get to non-weaving status. Now I'm AOK but I still wince when I have to change directions quickly.

I'm a little disappointed, though, Pcaddy, I figured you were going to get that P2C...

I take back everything I said about not crashing on a TT bike. I rode one 3 miles today, I'm not sure how I survived the experience. That's going to take a lot of bike time before I'm comfortable with that. I kept trying to shift gears with my brake levers : ).

What are you doing with your hands near there, thats what them sticks out the front are for.


Oh and nice rig, p0rn shots with zipps on to follow?

Please tell me you're going to get rid of that ugly-ass blue bar tape crap....

It took me about a week to get to non-weaving status. Now I'm AOK but I still wince when I have to change directions quickly.

I'm a little disappointed, though, Pcaddy, I figured you were going to get that P2C...


Upon further review and comparison the P2C seemed pretty cheesy compared to the Cdale Slice. But 'Cervelo' sounds more exotic, even though it's a bicycle from friggin Canada, like Celene Dion and DocRay. Cannondale is from Pennsylvania like Floyd Landis.

That means the Cdale will make me TT like Floyd, right?

This is the twisted, sick, self-inflicted bike weenie logic that sells pricey bike schwag.

Please tell me you're going to get rid of that ugly-ass blue bar tape crap....

Correct.

Upon further review and comparison the P2C seemed pretty cheesy compared to the Cdale Slice. But 'Cervelo' sounds more exotic, even though it's a bicycle from friggin Canada, like Celene Dion and DocRay. Cannondale is from Pennsylvania like Floyd Landis.

That means the Cdale will make me TT like Floyd, right?

This is the twisted, sick, self-inflicted bike weenie logic that sells pricey bike schwag.

Basso tax. Much like the Lance tax.

What are you doing with your hands near there, thats what them sticks out the front are for.


Oh and nice rig, p0rn shots with zipps on to follow?

I was trying to actually steer the bike, hence my hesitancy to be out on the Daredevil Bars. I'll get used to it. Every time I did it I felt like I was flying blind-folded. I was on a fairly busy road too.

Yes, of course I will be posting pics. What the F. This is Pcad here. I live to regail you with my bike schwag conquests.

Cannondale is from Pennsylvania like Floyd Landis.

...And ElJamoquio.

OK, technically I'm from NJ, but I digress. Honestly, though, it is factoring into my decision of my next bike to buy.

omg. you just never stop!
wondering what your wife gets in exchange?
she's allready got the stainless steal kitchennette, now what?
oh and good for you :)

omg. you just never stop!
wondering what your wife gets in exchange?
she's allready got the stainless steal kitchennette, now what?
oh and good for you :)

A man's home is his castle and in his castle he is KING!

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Besides, this is a family website and a full disclosure of what Mrs. Pcad 'gets in exchange' would shock all concerned.

Well, OK, not Botto. But the rest of you.

:lol: ohhh..guess your stamina works at her advantage...

well, regardless of what the Misses gets, ( or not)Im happy for you.:)
now go have fun and stay in one piece!

:lol: ohhh..guess your stamina works at her advantage...

well, regardless of what the Misses gets, ( or not)Im happy for you.:)
now go have fun and stay in one piece!

Correct.

The Pcad Love Machine Rolls On.

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Correct.

The Pcad Love Machine Rolls On.

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In a related story it has been reported that General Motors paid out 17 million dollars last year in viagra for retirees.

In a related story it has been reported that General Motors paid out 17 million dollars last year in viagra for retirees.

You can't beat them Big Three benefits.

Nice schwag P-Cad!:beer:

Speaking of cranks...

Why the C'Dale jobs? Why not D/A?

Speaking of cranks...

Why the C'Dale jobs? Why not D/A?

I will forward your complaint to the CEO of eBay. Actually the Cdale cranks are lighter/more rigid than D.A. from all reports.

Not for nothing, but why aren't you busting my balls over those cheesy pseudo-CF Cdale brakes?

I get the e-bay bit, but you're tossing the K's so why not the recently recalled cranks of dubious quality?

As to brakes: it's a TT rig(go fast at all costs). You're the drone(expendable). Why have 'em in the first place, much less ***** about what they are?

I get the e-bay bit, but you're tossing the K's so why not the recently recalled cranks of dubious quality?

As to brakes: it's a TT rig(go fast at all costs). You're the drone(expendable). Why have 'em in the first place, much less ***** about what they are?

If I were really tossing the K's I would have purchased a new bike for twice the price. I am tossing fewer K's these days, just like R. Clemens.

I would agree that Pcad is expendable and stopping on a TT bike is certainly pointless, hence my lack of concern about the brake spec on this bike. In any event, stopping on this crazy thing is an utterly futile fantasy. Just stay out of my way weenies. Wait, half of you will be passing me. You get the point.

Patentcad: There *is* generally a turnaround point; and you generally want to brake for those; especially while you're getting used to the aerobars.

Patentcad: There *is* generally a turnaround point; and you generally want to brake for those; especially while you're getting used to the aerobars.

In that case I will have a spectacular interim time check followed by spectacular DNF and medivac chopper ride.

Paul Sherwin: 'Phil it appears as if the unheralded mid-life crisis kid may have the best time at the 20km checkpoint'

Phil Ligget: 'Right you are Paul, but this is a tricky turnaround, and HE'S REALLY MADE A MESS OF IT!! HE's IN THE GUARDRAIL, NO PAUL, HE'S OVER THE GUARDRAIL!!'

Paul Sherwin: Phil, his team mechanics were expressing concern earlier today about those 'house brand' Cannondale calipers, and we see the result here, let's hope he's not badly hurt.

Phil Ligget: 'This doesn't look good at all Paul. Oh my goodness gracious.'

Such are the fantasies we engage in while training. Works for me.

Nice price...have fun and don't crash like a weenie...

Observation from my first three miles on a true TT bike and thinking about it afterwards. I often found myself on the cowhorns wanting to shift gears with the STI levers - which of course aren't there. Shifting required a move out to the aerobars in the middle. While I'm sure this certainly does take a lot of getting used to, it made me wonder later on why $5000 MSRP TT bicycles don't have STI levers on the cowhorns IN ADDITION to the barcons on the aerobars so you can shift smoothly from either position. I would gladly accept the 200 gram weight penalty and some incremental cost to add that feature, which would certainly make a TT bike easier to ride and shift.

After further consideration I realized this could well be 90% of Pcad's TT newbosity, or the UCI pros would have this technology on their TT bikes, but I wonder how the experienced TT weenies here would respond? Does shifting a TT bike become second nature after a while with the current set-up? Or do you find yourself also thinking STI levers on the cowhorns would be a good feature sometimes?

I take back everything I said about not crashing on a TT bike. I rode one 3 miles today, I'm not sure how I survived the experience. That's going to take a lot of bike time before I'm comfortable with that. I kept trying to shift gears with my brake levers : ).
I know what you mean. The first time I ever rode aerobars was during a velodrome race....

Observation from my first three miles on a true TT bike and thinking about it afterwards. I often found myself on the cowhorns wanting to shift gears with the STI levers - which of course aren't there. Shifting required a move out to the aerobars in the middle. While I'm sure this certainly does take a lot of getting used to, it made me wonder later on why $5000 MSRP TT bicycles don't have STI levers on the cowhorns IN ADDITION to the barcons on the aerobars so you can shift smoothly from either position. I would gladly accept the 200 gram weight penalty and some incremental cost to add that feature, which would certainly make a TT bike easier to ride and shift.

After further consideration I realized this could well be 90% of Pcad's TT newbosity, or the UCI pros would have this technology on their TT bikes, but I wonder how the experienced TT weenies here would respond? Does shifting a TT bike become second nature after a while with the current set-up? Or do you find yourself also thinking STI levers on the cowhorns would be a good feature sometimes?

I have a TT bike and raced duathlons for a long time, so I've spent a lot of time in the aero bars. You'll get used to the shfiting and the style of riding pretty quick I think. In fact, I currenly have clip on syntace on regular drop bars, with Campy ergo shifters on their normal place. I find it sucks to break my aero position to shift, and I am going to be rebuilding my front end this year with bar end shifters.

You will find once you get used to it that you will always be in the right gear with those bar end shifters, and always aero, and thus much more efficient. As far as the handling, just remember to keep 80% of your weight in the saddle, not too much on the forearms, and remember the bike is designed for riding in a straight line, not cornering and handling, so don't be bashful about using the cow horns in the corners...

Now, once those Campy or Shimano electric shifters come out, if they have a TT version you will love them. I had Mavic Zapp shifting on mine for a while and it was TT bliss...


(edit: forgot to mention be real careful in even slightly congested areas. Your reaction time from the aero bars to the brakes is a lot longer, deceptively more than you think. I totalled my first TT bike and got hurt pretty bad when a woman jumped a light as I was going through. All I could do was watch the windshield as it rushed towards my face...nothing I could do as i was flying across the hood. Save the aero position for when the road is wide open, and get off the aerobars well ahead of intersections...)

While I'm sure this certainly does take a lot of getting used to, it made me wonder later on why $5000 MSRP TT bicycles don't have STI levers on the cowhorns IN ADDITION to the barcons on the aerobars so you can shift smoothly from either position.

If you had two levers shifting the same gearset, going up a hill or whatnot, you might not be able to go down all the gears, depending on what level the other shifter was in.

If you put them both in the absolute highest gear possible, you'd end up with a ton of slack in the cable, and to go down a gear, you'd have to switch positions, knock one shifter down a ton, and then switch back.

Strangely enough this could all be taken care of with electronic shifting rather easily.

I'm out riding on this bicycle yesterday and I'm thinking that with the Zipp 404s with 160lb tubies I'll be going 50mph on the lengthy downgrades at a rolling TT I'm doing in September. That's not the big problem. The problem is do I have the bike weenie balls to ride in the aero position @ highway speeds. That's how guys average over 25mph on a rolling course like that. I think they're going 55 on the descents : ). Yikes.

Like I said, I'm going to need some time on this fast and uncomfortable bike. Maybe after a few hundred miles of training it won't be so uncomfortable.

Strangely enough this could all be taken care of with electronic shifting rather easily.

That's the first time electronic shifting's benefits seemed to outweigh its pitfalls to me. Of course we'll have to see what Shimano, Campy et al come up with. It will be interesting. I'll be watching to see what they roll out at the Tour de France this summer.

After further consideration I realized this could well be 90% of Pcad's TT newbosity, or the UCI pros would have this technology on their TT bikes, but I wonder how the experienced TT weenies here would respond? Does shifting a TT bike become second nature after a while with the current set-up? Or do you find yourself also thinking STI levers on the cowhorns would be a good feature sometimes?

The TT bike is a natural for pushbutton electronic shifting.

EDIT: Whoops! Day late; dollar short.

OK...

1) You'll get used to the handling on the bars in no problem.

2) Make SURE you get fit by someone GOOD for that bike... Seriously.

3) Shifting from the bar ends becomes second nature fast. If you switch to SRAM TT stuff, it shifts even easier!

4) Congrats!

5) Get RID of that crank and the brakes....Awesome bike except for those!

That's the first time electronic shifting's benefits seemed to outweigh its pitfalls to me. Of course we'll have to see what Shimano, Campy et al come up with. It will be interesting. I'll be watching to see what they roll out at the Tour de France this summer.

Yup, a TT bike is the only application where I'd actually consider e-shifting.

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That bike looks like alot of fun...

Get RID of that crank and the brakes....Awesome bike except for those!

What's wrong with the crankset? Stiffer than D.A., lighter than D.A. Cite your reasons if you're going to trash components, don't be arbitrary. Unless it's Campy, then that's fine, it's like hating the Yankees, it just comes natrually like breathing.

I'm going to do 5 TT's a year. I'm going to ride this bike relatively little. As long as the stuff works on it, that's fine.

I won't be going to anybody for bike fit 'advice' either. If I don't know what fits by now I shouldn't be doing this (that's a hanging curve weenies). I can look @ the TDF TT photos and know how I'm supposed to look on a TT bike. The 54cm fit me great. Can I ever get comfortable enough with that seat scooted further forward? We'll see. Fortunately there's enough adjustability between the seatpost and seat rails so that there's conderable fudge factor on that one.

That bike looks like alot of fun...

TT bikes are fast. They are not 'fun'.

That is all.

If you're not going to train on it, then don't ride it. I spend at *least* two days a week on mine (that's in regards to the riding it relatively little bit). You have to adapt to the position or your power's gonna drop on that bike.

I still think you should have it fitted, TT positions are more difficult to get right, but hey, do what you want.

Cite my reasons... Obvious lack of bling, and i've just heard too much about lack of reliability of the Cannondale crank systems. The 10 speed Shimano stuff is solid.

TT bikes are both fast and fun!

Sweeeet. I want one of those (along with about 10 other wish bikes).

Where's you buy it for that good a deal?

Here's the problem with bike fit: 50%+ of the LBS dudes don't really know what they're doing. Ascertaining which ones do and which ones don't isn't easy.

I'm confident this bike fits right - it's the right size. I agree that I'll have to train on it at least 1-2x weekly (more in the beginning) to get used to the bike and to get the position figured out. That latter part will take some time. It took me about a year on my two latest road bike set-ups, and those might be easier than a TT bike to dial in position.

Is your back going to hate you, or what?

Is your back going to hate you, or what?

My back has hated me since 1999. This won't change anything. My back can go F itself.

My back has hated me since 1999. This won't change anything. My back can go F itself.


Gotcha. I can take it if you can.

Hell, maybe it'll do some good.

Have you reached for your water bottles in the bars yet? I would make sure you are not in heavy traffic while practicing. Hick, I would put away the road bike for a while until you get used to the handling differences. Its easy going back to a road bike but you do need to put int he time in that TT position to feel comfortable.

Looks great.

I'm not sure I'll EVER get 'comfortable' in a TT position. But I will try. Nobody puts in more miles than Pcad. Nobody here, anyway. Yes, they're 'junk' miles, if that's what makes you happy.

'Junk' as in 'smack', 'horse' or heroin.

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