Vehicular Cycling (VC) - The biggest aspect of the VC/BL debate seems to be IMPASSE

Actually, I have been critical of any study that was poorly done, including some of the so called VC studies. Where have I touted those studies?

Many here have repeatedly cited the Portland graph and the US Census data that they manipulated for their own purpose to tout bike lanes, Portland and Seattle. I have simply responded to those post.

I have suggested that it would be good for all cyclist to commission some well done studies performed by neutral scientist, that would give us the data on both bike lanes, VC methods and education. Who would like to contribute some money to the effort?

Oahu has VC BikeED in the public schools. It would be great to get a full on study over a long term period of the program. The money for the program comes from bicycle registrations ($150,000 for last years registrations), HBL sponsored cycling events and public donations.
http://www.hbl.org/bikeEd_general.html
I have noted that any benefits I have received from this program are based on personal observation. I have not tried to throw some worthless/manipulated data at you guys.

The VC guys generally quote those studies... Which to the best of my knowledge have not been conducted since, and have never been peer reviewed and themselves are not weighted with respect to the type or intensity of an "injury" thus giving a fall down the same weight as a full collision.

How effective is the HI education program... what data supports it?

i'm amazed locals on oahu paid 150,000 bucks for bike registrations last year. what prompts that? If education efforts rely on voluntary bike registrations, there would be little money for bike ed in many cities.

was a 'mandatory' bike registration pushed on oahu to specifically raise funds for a bike ed program?

Is the program falling apart if it was also once taught on the big island?

and how, pray tell, does it work on all those pesky tourists that flock to Hawaii and rent cars in droves?

Actually, I have been critical of any study that was poorly done, ...What do you think about the relatively new Danish study of cycle facilities?: Road safety and perceived risk of cycle facilities in Copenhagen (http://www.ecf.com/files/2/12/16/070503_Cycle_Tracks_Copenhagen.pdf)

i'm amazed locals on oahu paid 150,000 bucks for bike registrations last year. what prompts that? If education efforts rely on voluntary bike registrations, there would be little money for bike ed in many cities.

was a 'mandatory' bike registration pushed on oahu to specifically raise funds for a bike ed program?

Is the program falling apart if it was also once taught on the big island?

and how, pray tell, does it work on all those pesky tourists that flock to Hawaii and rent cars in droves?
And you have pretended to be such an expert on Hawaii cycling. As such, you should have known the registration is allowed by state law, to be run by counties and is mandatory in the City and County of Honolulu (all of Oahu).

The program is running as strong as ever on Oahu. HBL helped the advocacy people on the Big Island set up their program, but it seems not enough effort was put into to it to continue on their own. Likely they had harder funding problems - No mandatory registration and less business base to get donations from. Sad, but the Honolulu folks cannot do all the work for all the counties.

As to tourist, I guess we just get a better class of tourist than Seattle gets. I have not really seen any tourist that have come to Hawaii for the purpose of harassing cyclist.

For me, the problem drivers on Oahu are generally 30+. I have only had 2 problems (some time ago) with males one about 26 one about 28 years old. Just past the age at the times that they might have taken BikeED. As I have said before and as N_C noted in his cycling observations as a tourist, the young drivers here are courteous to cyclist. Sadly, they do still manage to sometimes kill themselves and other motorist.

The VC guys generally quote those studies... Which to the best of my knowledge have not been conducted since, and have never been peer reviewed and themselves are not weighted with respect to the type or intensity of an "injury" thus giving a fall down the same weight as a full collision.

How effective is the HI education program... what data supports it?Have I ever argued against your points about those study limitations?

As I stated in post #298.

I have noted that any benefits I have received from this program are based on personal observation. I have not tried to throw some worthless/manipulated data at you guys.
Care to contibute a little for funding a study. A well done study would be outstanding.

What do you think about the relatively new Danish study of cycle facilities?: Road safety and perceived risk of cycle facilities in Copenhagen (http://www.ecf.com/files/2/12/16/070503_Cycle_Tracks_Copenhagen.pdf)

That study largely confirms the vehicular-cycling principle and disconfirms the bikeway superstition. That is, all except the emotional part of the bikeway superstition, which it confirms, thus showing yet again that the general public just does not understand proper cycling and the causes of car-bike collisions.

What do you think about the relatively new Danish study of cycle facilities?: Road safety and perceived risk of cycle facilities in Copenhagen (http://www.ecf.com/files/2/12/16/070503_Cycle_Tracks_Copenhagen.pdf)
The summary does not provide enough information on methodolgy to judge the basis of the study. The links are not in english and my foreign language skills are not to the point of being able to read the links. I might get a chance later to do a net translation and attempt to read them.

Based on the summary, I suspect my biggest complaint might be with data normalization for education and other possible factors; second biggest complaint would be that they did not compare cycling traffic both before and after, on most of the nearby roads both before and after the facility additions to determine if there was really any net change in “more/less butts on bikes”. But that complaint would not appear to impact the safety data that was collected:
"The construction of cycle tracks has resulted in a slight drop in the total number of accidents and injuries on the road sections between junctions of 10% and 4% respectively. At junctions on the other hand, the number of accidents and injuries has risen significantly, by 18%. A decline in road safety at junctions has undoubtedly taken place after the construction of cycle tracks. If the figures for the road sections are combined with those for the junctions, an increase of 9-10% in accidents and injuries has taken place." Indicating cyclist are less safe with the facilities, even though the surveys indicate the cyclist generally "feel" safer with the facilities.

It would also be interesting to see if net safety went up or down on the other streets, for which it appears data was not taken.

Have I ever argued against your points about those study limitations?

As I stated in post #298.

Care to contibute a little for funding a study. A well done study would be outstanding.

Between you and I... I too have noticed improvement on skills to riders that really were nothing more than park riders prior to a class.

What I don't know is how well they maintained these skills and if they still ride using these methods.

What I do know is that there are so few cyclists trained in any sort of class that the impact to the general cycling population is negligible. If there were a program that touched the general public say through the school system... then perhaps education might eventually reach a critical mass... but in the current situation of voluntary classes that not even bike shops know about... no way.