Foo - Pitbulls aren't violent. Yeah right....

You always see these dumb pit bull owners on TV defending the breed and saying how harmless they are, and how it is the owners fault that they attack. Here is a story where a pitbull puppy attacks a baby. Who taught this PUPPY to attack a baby? http://www.kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=6693392

Search around on that page and you'll see video where they say it was a pitbull.

Sweet zombie jeebus! The dog didn't attack, it's a puppy, puppys don't attack, they play. The puppy thought the kid was a chew toy.

Ite important aspect was covered in the first 5 seconds of the viedo...
DON'T LEAVE SMALL CHILDREN UNATTENDED AROUND ANIMALS!!!
The rest is all hyperbole.


Dee, dee, dee!

I'm Trinity's chew toy. And she's 100% purebred mutt.

And for this the dog was euthanized?

Sad, very sad indeed.

The video said the baby wasn't crying. I wonder how big the bite really was. That puppy seemed to be younger than Trinity and Trinity will often come up to me and start gnawing on my arm. Of couse she gets told "no bite!" but I also provide chew toys for a TEETHING puppy.

The officer said the puppy was chewing on part of the baby's heel. Apparently while it was not attached to the baby. Obviously the baby was left unattended and there was neglect, but I just thought hmmmmmmmm, how ironic that the puppy was a pit bull. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
They otta euthanize all of them.

It's not the dogs, it's the owners we should euthanize!

It's not the dogs, it's the owners we should euthanize!

+1

Train the owners to train the dogs. There are dogs of ALL breeds that should be euthanized.

That report is so vague nothing even remotely solid can be drawn from it.

Pitbulls are kind, gentle dogs. It's the owners of the bad apples that need education.

This video and story paints a different picture about pit bulls and their MORON owners.



http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=57522

Pit bulls were bred to fight in pits. It's in their blood.
I favor laws that hold owners as accountable for such things as if
they did the act themselves. It's really the only way. If they get a
dog with a tendency towards violence they should know they are also
facing a jail sentence if the dog does what it was bred to do.

Pit Bulls are illegal in my city. FTW.

I used to believe that it was "always" the owners and not the dogs. I was totally on that page where I said "blame the owners".

Then I got my Greyhounds and started going to the local dog park all the time. There were lots of Pit Bulls in there. After a few years at the dog park I can tell you that there IS something about that breed. They are very loving and playful and calm almost all of the time, but...... Every now and then they just "snap" over seemingly nothing. I've seen them "snap" many times and aggressively start a fight and hurt another dog many times.

I saw this in MANY Pit Bulls, but seldom with other breeds. So yes, they are fun and loving and sweet, but they do have this weird "snap" tendency which is when they do those crazy aggressive things.

You have to realize that dogs while loving still have instincts especially the behaviors that they were BRED to do. My Greyhounds are loving, fast and all, but the HOUNDS, so I have to be careful with them around small animals. They have always been fine, but if a small dog is in the park, I'll watch them VERY CLOSELY. Pit Bulls were bred for fighting, fighting and aggression is in their blood. They can't help it, idiots who started the breed, bred them for those behaviors.

I used to believe that it was "always" the owners and not the dogs. I was totally on that page where I said "blame the owners".

Then I got my Greyhounds and started going to the local dog park all the time. There were lots of Pit Bulls in there. After a few years at the dog park I can tell you that there IS something about that breed. They are very loving and playful and calm almost all of the time, but...... Every now and then they just "snap" over seemingly nothing. I've seen them "snap" many times and aggressively start a fight and hurt another dog many times.

I saw this in MANY Pit Bulls, but seldom with other breeds. So yes, they are fun and loving and sweet, but they do have this weird "snap" tendency which is when they do those crazy aggressive things.

You have to realize that dogs while loving still have instincts especially the behaviors that they were BRED to do. My Greyhounds are loving, fast and all, but the HOUNDS, so I have to be careful with them around small animals. They have always been fine, but if a small dog is in the park, I'll watch them VERY CLOSELY. Pit Bulls were bred for fighting, fighting and aggression is in their blood. They can't help it, idiots who started the breed, bred them for those behaviors.

Yeah. becaue it is BRED into them. Greyhounds are a good example, so I'm glad you mention them. Racing greyhounds are very mild mannered most of the time, but put a rabbit in front of them and put them on a track and watch out.

I grew up around "coyote dogs." They were mainly greyhound with some stag hound (http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/staghound.htm)mixed in. Same thing applied. THey were very mild mannered most of the time, but once they see a coyote, they go completely into kill and attack mode.

When they are dumped on a coyote, they have one thing and only one thing on there mind and depending on which dog it is in the pack he will either, catch or kill. When you go up to pull the dogs off of the dying coyote, you can feel the adrenaline coming off of the dogs. It seems like it is just at those moments that the dogs are truly happy. Often times they would have HUGE wounds and the head and neck and not even be remotely fazed. Again, it is there primary desire in life.

Nobody TEACHES coyote dogs to attack and or kill coyotes. It is in their blood. It is what they were bred for. Nobody TEACHES pitbulls to kill or attack either. They have this desire bred into them. You might be able to argue that you can possibly diminish their desire to exhibit this trait, but it is there just waiting to pour out, regardless of what you do.

http://xs116.xs.to/xs116/07250/coyotecatch.jpg

Some of the nicest dogs I have ever met are Pits. Some of the nastiest were also Pits. I know this much, I would NEVER have a dog that I couldn't beat down, and I wouldn't trust a dog of any size around a baby.

I've had pits before, their are as gentle as you raise them. Even fierce guard dogs like the Caucasian Ovtcharka are loyal to their family. The pit in the story above was a pup, and the owners were idiots.

I think this article (http://dog-breeds.suite101.com/article.cfm/about_pit_bulls) is well-written and sums up the issues surrounding the dog we all refer to as a "pitbull". I think it's interesting that the breed did better on the American Temperament Test than either Dalmations or Cocker Spaniels.

To me, there's something seriously wrong in that household if the baby wasn't crying from what happened.

Some of the nicest dogs I have ever met are Pits. Some of the nastiest were also Pits. I know this much, I would NEVER have a dog that I couldn't beat down, and I wouldn't trust a dog of any size around a baby.


Ain't nutin' like a good beat down.

Ain't nutin' like a good beat down.

I seriously believe that. I used to know a guy who had a 200 lb bull mastif. It went nuts, and he kicked its ass. This guy weighs 275 pounds and will carry huge I beams over his shoulder, so he's fine with big dogs. But me personaly, I think that a dog over 125 pounds would be beyond what I'd want. Except maybe a great dane. Those things are pansies.

The problem is that the Pit Bull is not an established breed with responsable breeders. There are plenty of breeds that were originally bloodthirsy killing machines, but have over the years thru a breeding program focused on temperament have turned them into the most gentle dogs. Great Danes, Mastiffs, etc. You should have to meet certain standards to be able to own an unfixed dog.

I have a Cocker Spaniel named Silky. He is just about 1 year old. Most loving dog you ever saw. DON'T WALK ON THE PROPERTY WITHOUT ME THERE - ESPECIALLY IF ONLY MY WIFE IS HOME. He will eat you. I have never seen anything like him.

He loves to play catch - will wear you out. If you throw the ball, he will get it and bring it back to me - not you. Unless I tell him to - and then he will bring it to you. He keeps his distance from everyone except Amy and I. He will play will kids, but once I come up - they are abandoned.

This isn't my great training. (though I am good at training dogs) - it is the breed. Very loyal and VERY territorial. I could well believe that a Cocker Spaniel rated worse than a Pit Bull.

He is a great dog when you handle him correct - if he wasn't trained correctly - a big problem. He is very intelligent - I am always amazed how fast he learns and afraid of nothing - except toads. I kid you not. Of course we have tropical toads nearly his size who invade his space at night... :D

When he is being particularly nuts I accuse him of licking toads... sometimes I wonder. :rolleyes: The only reason he is not as dangerous as a Pit Bull is size.

The problem is that the Pit Bull is not an established breed with responsable breeders. There are plenty of breeds that were originally bloodthirsy killing machines, but have over the years thru a breeding program focused on temperament have turned them into the most gentle dogs. Great Danes, Mastiffs, etc. You should have to meet certain standards to be able to own an unfixed dog.
This is a very good point. If I had my heart set on a pit bull, I'd be spending a lot of time looking into responsible breeders who had an agenda of bringing gentler, more predictable dogs into the breed's gene pool. I don't think I would have a rescued pit bull unless I knew the recent breeding trends in it's line. This would be doubly true if I still lived in the Detroit area. Drug dealers and members of that organized crime subculture have been breeding pit bulls for the last 30 years for the specific purpose of dog fighting. The Michigan Humane Society euthanizes all pit bulls they rescue because they cannot be certain of their genetic heritage and training past. It's really sad, but I see where they're coming from.

The pit bulls here in Portand strike me as being gentler as a whole. I've known some real sweethearts, but I'm still wary. (I say this having lived with a Doberwoman for many years.)

They otta euthanize all of them.

I thought you were a decent person until I read this. I guess not. You want to come euthanize my pitbulls, you better come prepared.

They otta euthanize all of them.

You want to kill Petey??

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Little-Rascals---Petey-Photograph-C10040046.jpeg

I thought you were a decent person until I read this. I guess not. You want to come euthanize my pitbulls, you better come prepared.

I'm sorry you were mislead. ;)

Now don't get me wrong, they can be animal aggressive by nature. You never know what may set one off to go after another dog, cat, rabbit etc. But put a huskey with a rodent and you'll also get some pretty interesting responces. As for human aggression it's not the nature of the beast. It's generaly the owner or an aggressive individual not breed wide. I have a pit and he's the dumbest, most hyper creature on the planet. Not aggressive at all, but my god what a moronic animal. They are not bad dogs, and I can't wait for all this breed specific crap to end.

I think this article (http://dog-breeds.suite101.com/article.cfm/about_pit_bulls) is well-written and sums up the issues surrounding the dog we all refer to as a "pitbull". I think it's interesting that the breed did better on the American Temperament Test than either Dalmations or Cocker Spaniels.

To me, there's something seriously wrong in that household if the baby wasn't crying from what happened.

I'm glad you dug that article up, I was looking for it!

I think what you said is really just spot on, mostly because you only stated facts. :)

The worst dogs I've encountered were a poodle and a cockapoo. The poodle took a chunk out of my face when I was young and the cockapoo would attack my brother and I when we played catch, hoops, or whatever. Yes, it would attack us, for blood, not for fun.

I've encountered a number of pitbulls (what that number is, I don't know, but it is a number greater than the cockapoos I've encountered) and have had no problems with them.

My brother's greyhound doesn't chase smaller animals, in fact it lived with a white poodle (which looks like the bunny from the track) and lived with a chihuahua with no problems. Hounds like to chase, but what they like to chase is embedded in them when they're young.

Did you know that spiders are finicky eaters? If they're fed a certain kind of bug when they're young, they'll grow up preferring that bug for food. My personal opinion is that dogs are similiar and while breeding plays a part in their temperment, it plays less of one than what people give them credit for. That said, as in all creatures, ***holes will be ***holes, and sweethearts will be sweethearts.

I own possibly the sweetest dog on earth, and he only weighs about 40 pounds. He also loves children, but, I'm not an idiot, so I watch him very closely and keep a short leash on him when he's around small children. He is a dog, after all, and could inadvertently hurt a kid through sheer, doggy-type over excitement. Also, I have lawyers in my family, so I have a pretty good idea how lawsuit-oriented our society has become.

In general, well-socialized dogs will be free of psychological issues, however, some breeds still have overpowering genetic traits based on what they were bred for. It has become all too common to adopt serious working or fighting dogs based on their "cuteness," which is a recipe for disaster. Unfortunately, crap like this happens as a result. These are probably the same parents who had their 4 and 1 year old in the theatre when I was trying to watch Hostel 2 the other night.

A friend of mine who lived across the street from my old apt had a pit named Marlin. Sweet, sweet pit that was very, very rarely on a leash. He'd freeze water bottles for him to chew on in the summer when it was hot out. Marlin would hold the cap in his teeth and twist the bottle till the cap came off, grab the top and peel the plastic off until he had the ice and would promptly devour that. Impressive. When we'd all hang on the porch he could give commands like:

"Marlin! Grab the bottle, go get ball, and get up on the top step of the porch now!"

The dog would grab the one bottle, grab the ball, go to the top step and stay there until further notice. Amazingly smart.

Mike is an amateur boxer. What Mich said is spot on - most small dogs that would yap at him he'd ignore. If a homeless guy walked by BEWARE - we think when he was a puppy (he was a rescue but not through a shelter) he was teased or abused by a homeless guy and as such was very aggressive towards them.

Mike (the owner) beat the ever loving sh1t out of Marlin to train him to not snap at other dogs. I'd see him give the dog full punches to the head at the slightest sign of a growl and the dog barely registered it as a tap (enough to know he shouldn't do that) - pure muscle and strength.

I don't think all pits are bad dogs. But they have aggressive tendencies that owners really need to be aware of and take steps to train them. I don't know if Mike's method was the 'best' - but it worked for Marlin.

I don't think that the breed is harmless by itself nor should every one be destroyed. But owners of Pits need to understand the breed, understand the snapping mechanisms and be prepared for constant supervision. The atribtues that make them smart and loving pets are the same ones that will see them attack without warning.

I wouldn't trust a dog of any size around a baby.


Agreed. Pitbulls were raised to be animal agressive. They were not bred to be people agressive, so that when they fought it pits the owners could seperate them. Sad but true. Animal agression is something responsible dog owners must watch out for. Agression toward humans is unacceptable. My dog has protected my family, but is safe around children. She has been surrounded by over 50 grade school kids at a time without problems. Training and the dog's breeding and personality make this possible. Training is very important, but some dogs (regardless of breed) are just defective. Those dogs make the news. My son was charged by pitbulls in our yard, and the pitbull we had at the time protected him, to the point of driving off 2 vicious dogs. My German Shepherd fought off 2 unleashed Pitbulls that charged us in the park. Tossing one and pinning the other by the throat without killing it. Most problems are due to irresponsible owners. My Pit and my purebred German Shepherd were both shelter dogs btw, just needed training.

Now don't get me wrong, they can be animal aggressive by nature. You never know what may set one off to go after another dog, cat, rabbit etc. But put a huskey with a rodent and you'll also get some pretty interesting responces. As for human aggression it's not the nature of the beast. It's generaly the owner or an aggressive individual not breed wide. I have a pit and he's the dumbest, most hyper creature on the planet. Not aggressive at all, but my god what a moronic animal. They are not bad dogs, and I can't wait for all this breed specific crap to end.
Breed specific crap will end when specific crappy breeds end.

My aunt and uncle here in Uganda have a boxer, and he's the most affectionate dog I've ever seen. We have to yell at him to get him to stop wanting us to pet him. When anyone's sleeping on the couch, he'll go up and use his muzzle to pry their arm around his neck. It's hilarious.

Then again, this dog beat the crud out of two dobbermans (I think) that got loose outside when he was out for a walk. I think he had some parts hanging out after the episode, but he healed well.

Awesome dog haha.

My aunt and uncle here in Uganda have a boxer, and he's the most affectionate dog I've ever seen. We have to yell at him to get him to stop wanting us to pet him. When anyone's sleeping on the couch, he'll go up and use his muzzle to pry their arm around his neck. It's hilarious.

Then again, this dog beat the crud out of two dobbermans (I think) that got loose outside when he was out for a walk. I think he had some parts hanging out after the episode, but he healed well.

Awesome dog haha.
ha ha, wow that's really funny.

On the news this AM was a report on a German Shepard that bit a Verizon repairman when the owner "let go" of the dog in the house. Since he bit the guy twice, the law states that he will be killed. People are all up in arms about this thinking the dog needs "another" chance. Chance smance. He was turned loose by the owner after being invited in and what did he do? Bit the poor guy twice. "Oh he won't bite" is a responce I have heard hundreds of times in my life being in the sevice business. I have been bitten more than I want to remember. Mostly little dogs biting my shoes or pants, but bittien nonetheless. Only one severe enough to warrant a visit to hospital. I say this to the owner of this German Shepard, You absolutely get what the law dishes out for your dog AND you. If you trust your dog or any dog 100% that is what you are going to get. Like Krispisstofferson says, he owns the sweetest dog on earth but he does not trust him 100% at all. To you lovers of animals who does not think this dog should be killed, KEEP YOU DOGS UNDER CONTROL. Maybe the owner of Zues [german shepard] will get a hint now.


http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=57528

ha ha, wow that's really funny.

It's not funny for my uncle, seeing that he gets woken up every single time he tries to take a nap!

fact is...dogs are bred to have certain...characteristics. I had an akita that was friendly as could be...off the property...if someone came to my house he was all watchdog though. no training...just born to guard the house. Beagles bark, retrievers like to play fetch...akitas like you, and them... and everything else dead. pitbulls unfortunatly were bred for fighting...and it shows. like anything else there are exceptions to the rule..but they are exceptions and nothing more. a gun owner has to be responsible for that gun. The owner of a dog that could easily hurt someone is responsible for that dog.

Minesbroken- I clicked on your "my Bike" and was surprised to see the "orange" bike that was so cool looking in the thread that some guy did not want to paint anothers orange. I had to smile because I think that is the most rad looking bike ever made!


Back to Dogs now. wfin

I've had pits before, their are as gentle as you raise them. Even fierce guard dogs like the Caucasian Ovtcharka are loyal to their family. The pit in the story above was a pup, and the owners were idiots.

Pits are bred for combat. That's where the "Pit" comes from BTW, as in "pit fighting". Some are very gentle but in reality they're just ticking time bombs.

Several "very gentle" pits have "went off" in Toronto in the last few years and now there's a ban on pits in Ontario as a result.

But from experience the pits seem to "go off" on other dogs more than people. That is after all what they were bred to do: Kill other dogs, not people.

The terrier is a group of dog breeds initially bred for hunting and killing vermin.

I know... our Mini Schnauzer keeps dropping off dead mice at the back door. But it wouldn't be able to kill anything bigger than a rat.

I know... our Mini Schnauzer keeps dropping off dead mice at the back door. But it wouldn't be able to kill anything bigger than a rat.

Yeah, it's doubtful he will come dragging the neighbor's 2 yr old toddler to the door.

The terrier is a group of dog breeds initially bred for hunting and killing vermin.


Over the years, we've owned Rotweillers, English Setters, English Pointers, and Cocker Spaniels...but the most aggressive dogs we owned were terriers. We had an Airedale that didn't like children (he wasn't with us long); we now have a Jack Russell that sometimes beats up on her sweet Beagle sister. She's a tiny little thing, and full of energy and personality, but she's terrritorial and tenacious. She can be a little bully when the notion strikes her, but only around other dogs. I've never seen her be aggressive toward people.

I have an old book about lion hunting, and in it, a guy wrote about how he hunted a lion with a rat terrier.

fact is...dogs are bred to have certain...characteristics. I had an akita that was friendly as could be...off the property...if someone came to my house he was all watchdog though. no training...just born to guard the house. Beagles bark, retrievers like to play fetch...akitas like you, and them... and everything else dead. pitbulls unfortunatly were bred for fighting...and it shows. like anything else there are exceptions to the rule..but they are exceptions and nothing more. a gun owner has to be responsible for that gun. The owner of a dog that could easily hurt someone is responsible for that dog.

I've got 2 fair sized dogs. (E.g 105 lbs each). Alpha is a Belgian Sheepdog, Beta is a Presa Canario. Both identified by characteristics and best guess, Alpha was from the ASPCA, Beta showed up in the back yard of a friend who could not keep it. Both are sweethearts. But both can be scarry, the beta especially often runs to greet a friend so fast that it would be eeasy to think he is charging to kill. Funny thing is I often take them over to my mothers and they are far more gentle near her than they are with me. (Mom is over 80). The beta dog has a very soft mouth, I trust him to chew on my arm, at least when I'm willing to get slimed.

When we first got the beta dog we thought he might be part Akita (actually I'm pretty sure neither is pure bred). Reading up on Akitas I found that they decided on who was family and which side of that line you are on makes all the difference in the world. I think that holds quite a bit with my 2 also. When we got the first dog we had 2 pet rats. When we checked out Wheatley at the shelter we took the rats with us and introduced them. He decided they were with me and all was fine. (One of them ended up riding him like a man would ride an Elephant). Yet this same dog considers squirels mortal enemies. Later on one of the rats got a leg caught between part of his cage. We only noticed because Joey, the beta dog was whining like in the old Lassie films. That rat was part of the pack, as have been all the cats we have ever had.

Reading up on Pitbulls, Presas, Rots and other big-tough dogs I'm really surprised how few incidents there are. There seem to be far too many people looking to get a mean dog. If you train a dog that way it is dangerous, even if fairly small. And the breeds with bad reputations are neither small nor weak and seem to be the breeds these jerks want. Trained/raised to be maen and you have something truely dangerous.

We had an Airedale that didn't like children (he wasn't with us long)
Look at that coat. Some coat. That’s a dog that’ll never bother you with catching cold.

I am a Pit Bull owner, and a responsible one at that. I have owned various breeds thoughout my life. My Pit Bull is the most mild natured dog I've ever owned or encountered. I raised her right and have never seen any signs of aggression towards humans or other dogs (birds and rabbits are another story). I find it to be SO funny when I am walking her through the neighborhood and we pass other owners walking their dogs how they bark, growl and try to get to her. She simply looks at them like they are idiots and continues on her way. I like to raise public awarness and show that all Pit Bulls are not aggressive. Small children love my dog and I don't have any doubts in my mind when they ask if they can pet her.

As a responsible Pit Bull Terrier owner I do live by the rule stating: "Never trust that your Pit Bull will not fight." Even though she has never shown aggression towards another dog I still keep her on a strong leash and she is NEVER to be left with another dog unattended.

I did LOTS of research on the breed before getting my pup.

Stupid humans. Pit bulls rock!

"Never trust that your Pit Bull will not fight."




Would pertain to any dog. Never trust that any dog will not fight, bite, or maul.

Stupid humans. Pit bulls rock!


Would you trust any pit bull 100% NEVER to bite anyone?

Pitbull = Ticking Time Bomb.

"Little Wubsy-Woobsy was such a gentle dog until he bit our child's head off!"