Electric Bikes - EV elevation climb record happens to be on a ebike.

On a 72 mile round trip I average 20 mph up a 10,005 foot Volcano and back to the beach.I used less than 300 watt hours of human pedal power while using 1500 watt hours of battery power.
http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=562

Cool bike you've got there. Keep it up.

Open Access Article Originally Published: August 23, 2003


Wow, it's like going back in time!

Wow, it's like going back in time! No electric vehicle has beat the elevation record yet! So the record IS current!

Big fish, small pond...

Big fish, small pond... Nice floor scrubber video!
Try a real scrubber motor!
http://www.electracross.com/Video/12-TireTest.mpg

Nice floor scrubber video!
Try a real scrubber motor!
http://www.electracross.com/Video/12-TireTest.mpg

Floor scrubbers? Electric motocross bikes?

Floor scrubbers? Electric motocross bikes? Floor scrubbers are where most etck motors are used.a 15 hp motor weighs less than your ebike hubmotor and are more efficient.

http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2004/5/25/83144/9066

How come I can't find your record in the Guiness Book of World Records?

Robbie

Floor scrubbers are where most etck motors are used.a 15 hp motor weighs less than your ebike hubmotor and are more efficient.

http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2004/5/25/83144/9066

Are you going to lace a wheel straight to an Etek? The real weight difference would be the hub motor weight, minus the weight of the stock hub and shorter spokes, compared to the Etek itself, motor mounts, chain, sprockets and anything else you have to add such as chain gaurds etc. I would guess the Etek after all is said and done, is 5lbs heavier. And don't forget that a 15hp motor will require extra strength in the frame, spokes and rim.

Besides, would a person that cares about efficiency really be putting a 15hp motor on a bicycle??

Are you going to lace a wheel straight to an Etek? The real weight difference would be the hub motor weight, minus the weight of the stock hub and shorter spokes, compared to the Etek itself, motor mounts, chain, sprockets and anything else you have to add such as chain gaurds etc. I would guess the Etek after all is said and done, is 5lbs heavier. And don't forget that a 15hp motor will require extra strength in the frame, spokes and rim.

Besides, would a person that cares about efficiency really be putting a 15hp motor on a bicycle?? If they did care about efficiency climbing hills with a large load they might consider it.

^ I still can't find anything about your volcano climb in the Guiness Book of World Records? I've found documentation that the event took place and that you made it to the top in 4th place, but can't seem to find anything besides what you've claimed with regards to this being any kind of EV world record?

Robbie

^ I still can't find anything about your volcano climb in the Guiness Book of World Records? I've found documentation that the event took place and that you made it to the top in 4th place, but can't seem to find anything besides what you've claimed with regards to this being any kind of EV world record?

Robbie your warped imagination is all you have? Too bad.

^ The above answer from Randy is pretty much what anyone can expect from a serious inquiry to any one of his claims. I've seen this on several other boards already. Don't be conned by Randy.

Robbie

^ The above answer from Randy is pretty much what anyone can expect from a serious inquiry to any one of his claims. I've seen this on several other boards already. Don't be conned by Randy.

RobbieI dont waste too much time with people who do not want to learn.

This is just a letter from the race organizer stating that you were there and completed the coarse within the indicated time. Nowhere in the letter do I read any reference to any kind of 'record'. That's your own conclusion, and your personal conclusion doesn't appear to be officially sanctioned by any recognized authority that I can find.

I would be less surprised to find the three team Mavic riders in the Guiness Book of World Records as they beat a guy with a 1584Wh advantage using only their own leg power.

Robbie

This is just a letter from the race organizer stating that you were there and completed the coarse within the indicated time. Nowhere in the letter do I read any reference to any kind of 'record'. That's your own conclusion, and your personal conclusion doesn't appear to be officially sanctioned by any recognized authority that I can find.

I would be less surprised to find the three team Mavic riders in the Guiness Book of World Records as they beat a guy with a 1584Wh advantage using only their own leg power.

Robbie Yes bicycle riders can do the trip every day but there has not been ANYONE else to make such a climb on any ELECTRIC VEHICLE at any speed.
Iguess you can't understand the difference between a bicycle and a electric battery powered vehicle.

Yes bicycle riders can do the trip every day but there has not been ANYONE else to make such a climb on any ELECTRIC VEHICLE at any speed. I guess you can't understand the difference between a bicycle and a electric battery powered vehicle.

If bicycle riders can do the trip every day, then you're basically bragging that you can do what they already can by adding a motor, controller, and some batteries? So what? Do I have to remind you that you didn't even beat all of them to the top? Isn't the idea behind electrifying a bike to GAIN peformance above and beyond what a non-powered bicyclist can do? The evidence suggests you never accomplished this goal at all.

Also, if my suspisions are correct and your videos and misguided lawsuit angered Linda Lingle to the point that she forbids you or anyone else to ride ebikes in her state, then isn't it logical to assume that nobody could succeed where you failed on the volcano ride because the law now prevents them from trying? You should be ashamed to be the cause of all this!

Robbie

If bicycle riders can do the trip every day, then you're basically bragging that you can do what they already can by adding a motor, controller, and some batteries? So what? Do I have to remind you that you didn't even beat all of them to the top? Isn't the idea behind electrifying a bike to GAIN peformance above and beyond what a non-powered bicyclist can do? The evidence suggests you never accomplished this goal at all.

Also, if my suspisions are correct and your videos and misguided lawsuit angered Linda Lingle to the point that she forbids you or anyone else to ride ebikes in her state, then isn't it logical to assume that nobody could succeed where you failed on the volcano ride because the law now prevents them from trying? You should be ashamed to be the cause of all this!

Robbie Yes that guy should be ashamed of being the cause of this, right again Mr. Hatfield, you're on my team for sure.

If bicycle riders can do the trip every day, then you're basically bragging that you can do what they already can by adding a motor, controller, and some batteries? So what? Do I have to remind you that you didn't even beat all of them to the top? Isn't the idea behind electrifying a bike to GAIN peformance above and beyond what a non-powered bicyclist can do? The evidence suggests you never accomplished this goal at all.

Also, if my suspisions are correct and your videos and misguided lawsuit angered Linda Lingle to the point that she forbids you or anyone else to ride ebikes in her state, then isn't it logical to assume that nobody could succeed where you failed on the volcano ride because the law now prevents them from trying? You should be ashamed to be the cause of all this!

Robbie You are misgiuding others in YOUR misguided asumtions.

Not really Randy. Bobby Kapveld is actually your pal 'krushnoi'. The 'krushnoi' handle seems to have dissappeared along with that thread he started trying to accuse me of being a troll. I try to avoid threads like that.

Robbie

Not really Randy. Bobby Kapveld is actually your pal 'krushnoi'. The 'krushnoi' handle seems to have dissappeared along with that thread he started trying to accuse me of being a troll. I try to avoid threads like that.

RobbieThere you go asuming again.

I just assumed that you were going to get ebikes legal in Hawaii again. Should I not have done that?

Robbie

If bicycle riders can do the trip every day, then you're basically bragging that you can do what they already can by adding a motor, controller, and some batteries? So what? Do I have to remind you that you didn't even beat all of them to the top? Isn't the idea behind electrifying a bike to GAIN peformance above and beyond what a non-powered bicyclist can do? The evidence suggests you never accomplished this goal at all.

Also, if my suspisions are correct and your videos and misguided lawsuit angered Linda Lingle to the point that she forbids you or anyone else to ride ebikes in her state, then isn't it logical to assume that nobody could succeed where you failed on the volcano ride because the law now prevents them from trying? You should be ashamed to be the cause of all this!

Robbie Yea im so ashamed that three of the worlds best mountain climbing bike racers beat me by less than 4 minutes on there 9 lb $7000 bicycles after I waited 20 minutes for them on my 150 lb ebike I rode for the first time..LOL If I get ebikes legal again lithium packs will be a little more refined.It may take me less than a 40 ah lithium pack to do the same trip with the same ebike in 2 hours instead of 3 hours. Then there will be a new Lithium Ebike standard for anyone to beat.If they can? (with the same amount of batteries)

http://www.cycletothesun.net/agegroup%2003.html

This bickering is doing nothing for the advancement and popularity of e-bikes. Please people be productive. Everyone is allowed their own opinion. There is no need for people to act like children. I personally would love to see more e-bikes everywhere, no matter what shape or form. As long as the rider is having fun. It would be better to have a spirit of comradeship.

Big fish, small pond... The ebike market may change at any time when lithiums prove longevity and ebikers actually buy a few thousand packs in the US.When that day comes ebikers will favor efficient ebike systems to save on battery costs.The pond may grow?

Yea im so ashamed that three of the worlds best mountain climbing bike racers beat me by less than 4 minutes on there 9 lb $7000 bicycles after I waited 20 minutes for them on my 150 lb ebike I rode for the first time..

Your bike weighs 150lb!! My gosh, it's an electric moped, not an ebike. A collision with a pedestrian on a sidewalk or trail would be quite dangerous. The law should include a weight limit as well as a power or speed limit for an e-bike classification.

I'd say if you can take it up a flight of stairs by yourself, the weight is ok.

Your bike weighs 150lb!! My gosh, it's an electric moped, not an ebike. A collision with a pedestrian on a sidewalk or trail would be quite dangerous. The law should include a weight limit as well as a power or speed limit for an e-bike classification. Without lithiums using off the shelf batteries the heavy load also climbed a 10,005 foot high volcano with all that weight getting a round trip speed of 20 mph on a 72 mile round trip.The same bike weighs a total of 65 lbs including batteries for 40 mile trips at legal ebike speeds of 20 mph.A 200 lb lycra racer can do some damage at 45 mph too! Whats your point?

Without lithiums using off the shelf batteries the heavy load also climbed a 10,005 foot high volcano with all that weight getting a round trip speed of 20 mph on a 72 mile round trip.The same bike weighs a total of 65 lbs including batteries for 40 mile trips at legal ebike speeds of 20 mph.A 200 lb lycra racer can do some damage at 45 mph too! Whats your point?

My point is obvious. To me, an e-bike that weighs 150lbs is not an e-bike. I don't like to see posts here about electric mopeds disguised as electric bikes. I can probably make it up that volcano faster than any of the lycras if I carried 40 lbs of bionx batteries with me.

Your bike weighs 150lb!! My gosh, it's an electric moped, not an ebike. A collision with a pedestrian on a sidewalk or trail would be quite dangerous. The law should include a weight limit as well as a power or speed limit for an e-bike classification. Without 100 lbs of NON lithium 33 Ah batteries on a 45 lb Huffy bike the same bike will go 60 miles on 14 lbs of batteries and a 5 lb motor system.= 65 lb ebike. The range would be even better with a 30 lb aluminum bike with slicks instead of knobbies.= a 50 lb ebike capable of 1600 watts of efficient power or 200 watts of power above 90% efficiency inbetween.You slect your power and speed requirement by voltage or gearing.

Without 100 lbs of NON lithium 33 Ah batteries on a 45 lb Huffy bike the same bike will go 60 miles on 14 lbs of batteries and a 5 lb motor system.= 65 lb ebike. The range would be even better with a 30 lb aluminum bike with slicks instead of knobbies.= a 50 lb ebike capable of 1600 watts of efficient power or 200 watts of power above 90% efficiency inbetween.You slect your power and speed requirement by voltage or gearing.

Hey, if your motor system is only 5 lb, I'd like to see that on a 20lb bike. Add 10 lbs of Lithium batteries and the bike should be light enough to ride on slick 28c tires. Then add 100 watts of your own pedal power, and you should still be able to get 60 miles (i'm just estimating). A 35 lb ebike that goes 60 miles with 200 watts continuous assistance! I'd be really impressed if that were the case.

Hey, if your motor system is only 5 lb, I'd like to see that on a 20lb bike. Add 10 lbs of Lithium batteries and the bike should be light enough to ride on slick 28c tires. Then add 100 watts of your own pedal power, and you should still be able to get 60 miles (i'm just estimating). A 35 lb ebike that goes 60 miles with 200 watts continuous assistance! I'd be really impressed if that were the case.

http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/popupimg.php?934

This is how to build a nice lightweight electric road bike. Putting an ugly assed can motor, chain and sprockets on a weight weenie bike would be a crime.

http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/popupimg.php?934

This is how to build a nice lightweight electric road bike. Putting an ugly assed can motor, chain and sprockets on a weight weenie bike would be a crime.
IMO putting a heavy X-lyte hubmotor on any bike is a waste of batteries.

Here's where it's at. A mid-drive that runs the motor through ALL of the bicycle gears. The efficiency is so high that a small battery pack will give you 60+ miles of range on an ebike that's a joy to pedal.

http://ecospeed.net/photos/ezride1.jpg

IMO putting a heavy X-lyte hubmotor on any bike is a waste of batteries.

That's a Heinzman hub motor in the pic.

http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/465

66lbs, top speed 42mph, minimum range 70 miles, maximum range 160 miles.

Putting a heavy ass dollar store bicycle on an efficient motor is a waste of batteries.

Here's where it's at. A mid-drive that runs the motor through ALL of the bicycle gears. The efficiency is so high that a small battery pack will give you 60+ miles of range on an ebike that's a joy to pedal.

http://ecospeed.net/photos/ezride1.jpg It must be a joy to pedal.Under motor power alone it wont go 10 miles up a small hill.

That's a Heinzman hub motor in the pic.

http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/465

66lbs, top speed 42mph, minimum range 70 miles, maximum range 160 miles.

Putting a heavy ass dollar store bicycle on an efficient motor is a waste of batteries.
What is so efficient about brushed a Heinzman hub motor ? How do you put a bike on a motor that works ?