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OwwMyLegs
06-25-07, 06:22 AM
Is it just me or does Toronto have the lions share of Assoholic commuter-types. Most real commuters demonstrate courtesy and respect for the rules of the road and other cyclists. However, i've noticed a lot of a-hole commuter-types that blow thru red lights ,cut people off, and don't give right of way.
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Next time you blow by me thru a red light on your piece of crap wannabe commuter bike, i'm going to catch up and straight arm you.
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Well, though your post did sound *******ish its self - judge not, until you judge your self - but
I do agree, we need to be good riders to get the respect we deserve, as vehicles under the vheicular transportation act, or what not.
sweep242
06-25-07, 07:54 PM
Good god man relax!
http://www.bikeforums.net/forumdisplay.php?f=8 Go here you'll fit right in.
OwwMyLegs
06-26-07, 07:46 PM
How can I relax when all I want to do is ride my bike. I obey ALL the laws. I stop for red lights even though it messes up my rhythm. If these a-hole commuter wannabes keep giving cagers a reason to run us over- then they'll always have their way. I just wanna ride my freakin' bike without some car driver honking me 'cos i'm 2 inches from the curb and not riding on the sidewalk.
I'll relax when all those *removed by moderator* wannabes on the Queens Quay respect the rules of the road so I can have a decent ride.
If everyone tells these idiots to respect the rules of the road, we'll get the paths and the respect.
So far, a few dingbats have ruined it for most of us.
If i'm an *removed by moderator* for writing this, then god/allah/buddha help us all...
I never really understood the feeling of hatred towards other cyclists, even ones who are not exactly law-abiding. It's some sort of mix of self-righteousness and jealousy: "How come they're getting away with illegal behaviour while I obey all the rules of the road?.." But I don't get this feeling, really. The reason I obey the rules of the road is my own safety as well as courtesy. I don't care what other cyclists do. They're not under obligation to give "us all" a good name. If they ride like real morons, they'll pay for it sooner or later. If they just break traffic laws, but do so safely, I am not gonna care much, really. It's a jungle out there, and you gotta do what you think you gotta do. I don't run red lights myself but I know lots of cyclists who do because it's safer (and it is).
If everyone tells these idiots to respect the rules of the road, we'll get the paths and the respect.
So far, a few dingbats have ruined it for most of us. :roflmao: Do you really believe that the reason cyclists don't get more respect on the road and better infrastructure because there are some scofflaw cyclists? Triple lol to that.
IronMac
06-27-07, 05:16 AM
Running red lights is safer? Under what circumstances?
As for scofflaw cyclists giving the rest of us a bad name, well, I believe that. We ask for respect but we don't give it.
LikeToBike
06-27-07, 10:27 AM
I'll relax when all those dumazz wannabes on the Queens Quay respect the rules of the road so I can have a decent ride.
Could not agree more!
I live down there and it really annoys me when I'm stuck on my bike at one of many lights there and you get the aforementioned a-holes just flying through them like the lights are not even there!
Annoys me further when they nearly run pedestrians over and then give a look as if the pedestrian was in the wrong.
I obey ALL the laws. I stop for red lights even though it messes up my rhythm. If i'm an azzhole for writing this, then god/allah/buddha help us all...
You need the proven two step program to remedy your problem:
1. Bend over
2. Pull out stick
FINE PRINT
Care must be taken when performing step 2 as any remaining brain matter may leak out
EFN Control freak:mad:
timmhaan
06-27-07, 01:50 PM
you'll never be happy if you concern yourself with what other's do. people are always going to be doing dumb *** things. it's been going on forever.
timmhaan
06-27-07, 01:56 PM
Annoys me further when they nearly run pedestrians over and then give a look as if the pedestrian was in the wrong.
yes, i've never understood this. it's completely ridiculous to act like this...especially considering that many drivers do the exact same thing to us. you would think that cyclists wouldn't then go and do that to someone else.
Betcha he gets upset with people taking 11 items through the express line...for some it's all about "rules"
IronMac
06-27-07, 02:39 PM
Betcha he gets upset with people taking 11 items through the express line...for some it's all about "rules"
Freedom's untidy, eh?
Just in case, that comes from Rumsfeld and we all know where that lead. ;)
Betcha he gets upset with people taking 11 items through the express line...for some it's all about "rules"
ROTFLMAO :D
Running red lights is safer? Under what circumstances? At a T-intersection, for example, with a pack of cars coming up behind you. If you blow the light, you have time to establish your lane position etc. while the cars are waiting at the light. If you wait, they'll try pulling up beside you (even if you're trying to take the lane), you'll all be starting out together, cars will try to accelerate past you when you're wobblier due to low speed. Note, I am not advocating the practice, but I can't deny that in some cases it is safer than waiting.
As for scofflaw cyclists giving the rest of us a bad name, well, I believe that. I believe that too. But the lack of infrastructure and respect on the road has very little to do with cyclist behaviour. For starters, most drivers couldn't even tell you which cyclist actions are legal and which ones aren't. So they just get fumed about cyclist actions that slow them down (e.g. the perfectly legal taking of the lane), while not caring about and even praising illegal actions that remove cyclists from drivers' path (e.g. sidewalk riding).
+1...
...recently a three of us were cycling west on Dundas when a car pulled out of a beer store parking lot, almost hitting the lead cyclist....when he asked the driver why he did this, the driver replied "because I'm a car"
Jeez
IronMac
06-28-07, 04:26 PM
At a T-intersection, for example, with a pack of cars coming up behind you. If you blow the light, you have time to establish your lane position etc. while the cars are waiting at the light. If you wait, they'll try pulling up beside you (even if you're trying to take the lane), you'll all be starting out together, cars will try to accelerate past you when you're wobblier due to low speed. Note, I am not advocating the practice, but I can't deny that in some cases it is safer than waiting.
Hrmmm...I only know of one T-intersection (Spadina and Lakeshore?) but never felt unsafe waiting at the red. I'll have to think on that one.
I believe that too. But the lack of infrastructure and respect on the road has very little to do with cyclist behaviour. For starters, most drivers couldn't even tell you which cyclist actions are legal and which ones aren't. So they just get fumed about cyclist actions that slow them down (e.g. the perfectly legal taking of the lane), while not caring about and even praising illegal actions that remove cyclists from drivers' path (e.g. sidewalk riding).
It should be evident that running a red light is patently illegal. While not everyone knows that the code says that bikes are "vehicles" it should be clear that everyone using the road should follow the same rules.
IronMac
06-28-07, 04:27 PM
+1...
...recently a three of us were cycling west on Dundas when a car pulled out of a beer store parking lot, almost hitting the lead cyclist....when he asked the driver why he did this, the driver replied "because I'm a car"
Jeez
You've got idiots on both sides.
OwwMyLegs
06-28-07, 08:27 PM
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Hrmmm...I only know of one T-intersection (Spadina and Lakeshore?) Huh? Do you ride one route only or something? They are all over the city! Queens Quay alone has a whole bunch. And T-intersections was just one example anyhow. A more drastic example would be Yonge Street (say, between College and St. Clair) with its puny narrow lanes, tons of lights (some at quiet intersections, some not at intersections at all). Picture the same situation here: a pack of cars chasing you... cabbies can get pretty crazy on Yonge...
It should be evident that running a red light is patently illegal. Red light - yes. But make it a stop sign, and people aren't sure anymore. Lots of drivers seem to think that cyclists have "pedestrian" status at 4-way stops; i.e. are entitled to go first. I usually insist on waiting my turn at those stops, but a lot of drivers just sit there and try to wave me through...
While not everyone knows that the code says that bikes are "vehicles" it should be clear that everyone using the road should follow the same rules. Then why is it not at all clear to drivers that I'm entitled to the whole lane just like they are? :rolleyes:
As for the control freak reference, my goal isn't to rule the world. It's the desire for a safer environment for cyclists. In order to do that we need to abide by the rules. An honourable goal, but what makes you think that "abiding by the rules" has anything to do with respect you get? Drivers break the law all the time, and in fact feel entitled to do that. Much like many cyclists think nothing about blowing a red light, most drivers think nothing about breaking the speed limit. So when I am going the speed limit and taking the lane, they pass me on the right in the right-turn only lane and honk their horn...
IronMac
06-29-07, 04:57 AM
Huh? Do you ride one route only or something? They are all over the city! Queens Quay alone has a whole bunch. And T-intersections was just one example anyhow. A more drastic example would be Yonge Street (say, between College and St. Clair) with its puny narrow lanes, tons of lights (some at quiet intersections, some not at intersections at all). Picture the same situation here: a pack of cars chasing you... cabbies can get pretty crazy on Yonge...
Actually, the route I use the most is from Sherbourne on Lakeshore/Front all the way to Ontario Place and you know what? I have never felt the need to run a red because of impatient drivers.
And I also know the section between College and St. Clair...there's a T near the Ethan Allen store...again, never felt the need to run a red.
I see a lot of cyclists running reds, especially on the Lakeshore/Front route and it's never because they want to establish lane position. I mean, I'm sitting at the red and they blow past me! It's simply because they see an opportunity to get across that much earlier.
Red light - yes. But make it a stop sign, and people aren't sure anymore. Lots of drivers seem to think that cyclists have "pedestrian" status at 4-way stops; i.e. are entitled to go first. I usually insist on waiting my turn at those stops, but a lot of drivers just sit there and try to wave me through...
True, but I always stop and jerk my head/wave my hand to show that they should go first if they arrived there first.
Then why is it not at all clear to drivers that I'm entitled to the whole lane just like they are? :rolleyes:
Igorance is all I can say.
IronMac
06-29-07, 04:58 AM
Hey JM1- Pha-Que- You're a hick inbred fool from Wasaga who rode a tractor to your grade 7 prom .
I don't have stick up my ass, but rather I'm trying to prevent a car bumper running up it.
As for the control freak reference, my goal isn't to rule the world. It's the desire for a safer environment for cyclists. In order to do that we need to abide by the rules.
As for the grocery store reference- i don't care if you have 50 items or not- You look like an ass to everyone else anyway.
I bet you push old ladies out of the way to get a seat on the streetcar when you can't afford to fill the tank of your piece of crap Lincoln Navigator - stoooopid khunt. We can just imagine you driving an SUV - hogging lanes and polluting the world.
BTW- let me know what bike you ride So I can STRAIGHT ARM YOU NEXT WEEK- You're about as smart as a bag of hair.
I certainly hope not to see you on the road...and on this forum.
IronMac
06-29-07, 05:00 AM
An honourable goal, but what makes you think that "abiding by the rules" has anything to do with respect you get? Drivers break the law all the time, and in fact feel entitled to do that.
And how much respect do we give drivers then? :rolleyes:
I see a lot of cyclists running reds, especially on the Lakeshore/Front route and it's never because they want to establish lane position. I mean, I'm sitting at the red and they blow past me! It's simply because they see an opportunity to get across that much earlier. Did you read their minds to know why they do it as they blow past you?
It's not coincidence that in places like Netherlands there are separate cycling signals that turn green a few seconds before the drivers get the green light. And that there are "bike boxes" a bit ahead of where drivers stop. According to some numbers I checked these programs have a mixed success as far as improving safety goes, but at least they are there as a response to a known safety issue that you're trying to pretend does not exist.
True, but I always stop and jerk my head/wave my hand to show that they should go first if they arrived there first.
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Igorance is all I can say. In other words, they DON'T know that everyone on the road is supposed to follow the same rules. My point precisely.
I actually heard someone say once: "You know, there should be some sort of rules for cyclists too, not just for drivers!" :D Right now the general population thinks there is one rule for cyclists: keep out of the way. If you follow it, they don't give a bleep about your HTA violations; and if you don't - they don't care how closely you follow the HTA, they get mad anyhow.
And how much respect do we give drivers then? :rolleyes: Enough that they don't complain about being squeezed off the road and almost killed by reckless cyclists out there. :rolleyes:
Seriously, is there a great public outcry (from ANY segment of population) about drivers doing 60-70 km/h in the 50 km/h zone (which is their usual, DEFAULT behaviour)? In fact the driver who's going to get harrassed is the one doing 50...
stokell
06-30-07, 10:01 AM
Sorry to break up a perfectly good argument, but I'll like to say something here.
I commute 48 kms a day through Toronto. We do have our share of idiots, I agree, but we are not traffic cops, so we would be unwise to call someone out.
It is safe to say that at most four-way stops in the city, no vehicle actually comes to a complete stop if no one else is in, or approaching the intersection.
Except at major intersections, traffic lights stay green for arterial roads unless a car trips the signal window or a pedestrian pushes the crossing button. Sadly bikes don't trip the green light window except for a few downtown intersections where there are three yellow dots painted on the side of the road.
My ride is already over an hour each way. If I came to a complete stop at every deserted 4-way stop and waited for a car or pedestrian to trip the traffic light, then it would be double that. All that time would be waiting time because of the lack of respect for cyclists on the road. Cars rule in Toronto. Period.
Until that changes, people will blow stop signs and light as well as ride on sidewalks when it is unsafe to use the roads.
+1. A huge reason cyclists blow stop signs and reds is because they're expected to travel on little side streets that have a ton of stop signs and a red light at every intersection with a major road. (The only place where this doesn't apply might be the very thick of downtown that has no little side streets.)
OwwMyLegs
06-30-07, 08:32 PM
Yeesh - Some guy named Rodney King called me and asked if we couldn't all just get along.
Well I guess not. We need to communicate more with each other and with drivers- not just giving them the finger either.
And yes I'm sorry for making poor comments towards jm01. Passion for cycling? Hell yeah- It's obvious so many of us here are.
At least we have that in common so thats a start. OK- No straight arms anytime soon.
Peace to all and new brains for idiot drivers.
IronMac
07-01-07, 08:54 PM
Did you read their minds to know why they do it as they blow past you?
Well, then, how do you know that when they are going through a red that they are trying to establish a safe lane position?
In other words, they DON'T know that everyone on the road is supposed to follow the same rules.
And what about the cyclists?
I actually heard someone say once: "You know, there should be some sort of rules for cyclists too, not just for drivers!" :D Right now the general population thinks there is one rule for cyclists: keep out of the way. If you follow it, they don't give a bleep about your HTA violations; and if you don't - they don't care how closely you follow the HTA, they get mad anyhow.
No, I think that they do care about your traffic violations. Openly breaking the law really steams people off, and I think it's especially true for those who actually do know that bicyclists are considered vehicles in the eyes of the law. It's like there is a double standard.
Seriously, is there a great public outcry (from ANY segment of population) about drivers doing 60-70 km/h in the 50 km/h zone (which is their usual, DEFAULT behaviour)? In fact the driver who's going to get harrassed is the one doing 50...
You are not aware of any neighbourhoods who press for speed bumps? I think that you're generalizing way too much about drivers' behaviours.
IronMac
07-01-07, 08:56 PM
+1. A huge reason cyclists blow stop signs and reds is because they're expected to travel on little side streets that have a ton of stop signs and a red light at every intersection with a major road. (The only place where this doesn't apply might be the very thick of downtown that has no little side streets.)
First you say that cyclists blow through reds for safety and now you're saying that it's for...what? convenience?
Hey, why don't we meet up downtown one evening during rush hour and see how many cyclists simply blow through reds? We'll even choose an arterial road. ;)
stokell
07-02-07, 01:44 PM
Speed humps and four-way stops in residential neighbourhoods were not put in place to slow down bike commuters. They are there to try and slow down that tonne of metal and plastic that kills our children playing on the street.
Is this a forum for cyclists or a forum for car drivers who hate cyclists?
Yeah, that's exactly why stop signs are there. stop signs and speed bumps in residential areas are to keep motorists from speeding 50km/h~60km/h in a 30km/h~40km/h zone. Hardly what a commuter bike can pull off. They're there to prevent people from doing stupid things.
traffic lights are there because it was no longer efficient or safe to use stop signs as a mean to control traffic at that intersection.
Ever been at an traffic light intersection where the lights were out? CHAOS ensues because a vast majority of people don't know they're supposed to treat it as an all way stop. Some (most?) people just don't understand how the traffic laws apply to them when they're driving, riding or walking. Others just take a calculated risk.
I ride on college st. from spadina to dundas, and a lot of people blow reds through little Italy. Some look, some don't bother, but I've yet to see someone get hit.
Mind you, I stop at red lights, but roll through stop signs after looking both ways.
Well, then, how do you know that when they are going through a red that they are trying to establish a safe lane position? Because some of them told me so. But in a sense it is irrelevant what motivates them to do it - they end up in a safer situation regardless of their motives.
No, I think that they do care about your traffic violations. Openly breaking the law really steams people off I've been honked at many times while taking the lane legally. I've never seen anyone honk at a cyclist running a red light. Certainly not for riding on the sidewalk either. (Wouldn't that be nice: a driver drives up to a sidewalk cyclist and yells: "Get on the f***ing road!" :lol:)
and I think it's especially true for those who actually do know that bicyclists are considered vehicles in the eyes of the law. Well, if they know it already, they probably know enough to know a good cyclist when they see one, so you needn't worry that they will try to run YOU over because of OTHER cyclists' actions.
You are not aware of any neighbourhoods who press for speed bumps? I think that you're generalizing way too much about drivers' behaviours. What do speedbumps have anything to do with cyclists??
If you are trying to present that as an indication that people disapprove of speeding motorists, I don't buy it. People disapprove of speeding motorists in THEIR NEIGHBOURHOOD. These same people who want a speed bump next to their porch will not hesitate to floor it on arterials.
First you say that cyclists blow through reds for safety and now you're saying that it's for...what? convenience? Couldn't possibly be both, eh? There is only one reason for any action. :rolleyes:
I usually commute along Queen St. but will make a point to run every red light and stop sign along the Quay hoping that you say something...look forward to introducing myself properly.
What bike you ride?
ghettocruiser
07-03-07, 09:49 AM
+1. A huge reason cyclists blow stop signs and reds is because they're expected to travel on little side streets that have a ton of stop signs and a red light at every intersection with a major road. (The only place where this doesn't apply might be the very thick of downtown that has no little side streets.)
Number of Stop signs I encounter when I drive to work: 2
Number of Potential Red lights I encounter when I drive to work: 7
Number of Stop signs I encounter when I bike to work: 13
Number of Potential Red lights I encounter when I bike to work: 22
And this is on a bike route I've refined over the years to minimize delays.
OwwMyLegs
07-03-07, 04:27 PM
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Number of Potential Red lights I encounter when I bike to work: 22 And they are more likely to be red than potential red lights on the driving route too, I bet.
Caspar_s
07-04-07, 07:56 AM
Openly breaking the law really steams people off,
I think that is more "Openly breaking the law when they can't" because they don't hesitate to go over the speed limit any chance they get. Same with rolling stop signs and right turn on red.
stokell
07-04-07, 08:17 AM
I think that is more "Openly breaking the law when they can't" because they don't hesitate to go over the speed limit any chance they get. Same with rolling stop signs and right turn on red.
In Ontario a right turn on a red light is legal providing you come to a complete stop and give way to other vehicles with the right of way. Similarly, it is also legal to make a left turn on a red light from one one-way street to another one way.
qmsdc15
07-04-07, 08:31 AM
That's funny. Some nerd "real commuter" stuck at a light, fuming with road rage as the other bikers roll past. Haha. Drive to work if you want to be all angry and stuck in traffic!
ghettocruiser
07-04-07, 08:49 AM
In Ontario a right turn on a red light is legal providing you come to a complete stop and give way to other vehicles with the right of way.
The actual protocol, of course, is to slow down to maybe 30 kph, look left only while rolling through the crosswalk, and hit the gas hard to squeeze into an impossibly small gap between through traffic, preferably running over the toes of at least one pedestrian.
Speed humps and four-way stops in residential neighbourhoods were not put in place to slow down bike commuters. They are there to try and slow down that tonne of metal and plastic that kills our children playing on the street.
Is this a forum for cyclists or a forum for car drivers who hate cyclists?
Agreed.
That's funny. Some nerd "real commuter" stuck at a light, fuming with road rage as the other bikers roll past. Haha. Drive to work if you want to be all angry and stuck in traffic!
Haha true.
thursday night, I was in my car, driving down king st. from around strachaun to roncesvelle for about 30mins doing some errands (10:00pm~10:30pm)... and I encounter no less than...
bikes going the wrong way: 8
bikes with no lights: 20
bikes with no light OR reflectors: 4
bikers not wearing a helmet: 25
sidewalk riders: 6
bikes going the wrong way, no helmet, no lights and no reflectors: 2
bikes actually having lights, reflectors and helmets: 2
blowing through a red: 0 (too crowded)
out of around 35 bikers I encountered on my short trip... Mind you, they were all passing me, so anyone who's been there knows how slow the traffic can be. Some of them I counted twice or three times.
stokell
07-06-07, 06:59 PM
thursday night, I was in my car, driving down king st. from around strachaun to roncesvelle for about 30mins doing some errands (10:00pm~10:30pm)... and I encounter no less than...
bikes going the wrong way: 8
bikes with no lights: 20
bikes with no light OR reflectors: 4
bikers not wearing a helmet: 25
sidewalk riders: 6
bikes going the wrong way, no helmet, no lights and no reflectors: 2
bikes actually having lights, reflectors and helmets: 2
blowing through a red: 0 (too crowded)
out of around 35 bikers I encountered on my short trip... Mind you, they were all passing me, so anyone who's been there knows how slow the traffic can be. Some of them I counted twice or three times.
I'm sorry, is this the bike forum or the car forum? It appears that some have this mixed up.
like I said, I was running errands (I.E. helping a friend moving heavy furnature), I commute to work on bike, practically each day.
But what I wanted to point out was the amount of dumb people doing dumb stuff. Granted, they're about the only ones going to get hurt.
I'm so sorry I had to drive a car from IKEA in etobicoke to King/Bathurst area carrying no less than 20kg worth of stuff, not to mention my friend (80kg). When all I needed was a few hours more, tandem and a trailer. Thanks for the suggestion.
Turd Ferguson
07-08-07, 05:01 PM
First you say that cyclists blow through reds for safety and now you're saying that it's for...what? convenience?
Hey, why don't we meet up downtown one evening during rush hour and see how many cyclists simply blow through reds? We'll even choose an arterial road. ;)
I hear you... what kills me more is why some cyclist don't wear bloody helmets and drive like freaks.
I received a $110 ticket for riding through a stpo sigh a month or so back. While I generally obey the rules of the road, especially stop lights I've been guilty of rolling through the odd stop sign if there is no traffic. Since getting the ticket, I look for cops first. :)
Most cyclist are pretty good although the few that zip around, weaving cause serious headaches for other cylists and more importantly - drivers. When driving downtown I'm very aware of bikes and tend to be as courteous as possible, slowing down, leaving extra room, waiting them to pass on the right but what kills me is these guess dodging cars. We don't have eyes in the back of our heads and they put themselves as risk of getting hit. At the same time...some drivers are also useless, like the one who hit me a couple weeks back..
How are helmets relevant here anyway? They are not even required by law (thankfully) and they are not affecting the safety of other road users in any way. What business is that of yours whether cyclists wear them or not?
Turd Ferguson
07-10-07, 06:29 AM
Only relevant in that I'm amazed by those who ride like freaks in traffic withouth a helmet obviously have no regard for their safety, and the safety of others on the road.
I don't care if you wear a helmet, if you get into an accident and crack your skull while riding - it's your problem.
How are helmets relevant here anyway? They are not even required by law (thankfully) and they are not affecting the safety of other road users in any way. What business is that of yours whether cyclists wear them or not?
+1...I too do not wear a helmet on my commutes...however, I've seen two fatal accidents where both cyclists were wearing them...didn't even stop their brains from making a mess on the road
I find that some people do not wear their helmets correctly, or they are using what looks like a really old helmet, beat up helmet (The kind you can get in CT). They either don't read the warning label and instructions, or leave it attached to the handlebars.
It's a choice here. If you won't want to wear one, perfectly fine as long as you're older than 18. But I do see plenty of sidewalk riders who look yonger than 16 not wearing them.
I can attest that helmets don't seem like much use, since All my life I've been wearing one while on a bike, my acrobatics paid off more than my helmet. Haven't hit my head once, but my backpack, hands and legs sure do. I guess I only wear it for psychological purposes.
psykoocycle
07-10-07, 08:57 AM
*L*
What a heated "discussion"...
I don't wear a helmet, and meet many people espousing the stupidity of not wearing a helmet. But like JM01, the only fatilities and most bicycle accidents I've personally seen involved a helmet wearing cyclist.
Sometimes I think they should have put the money spent on the helmet, on "defending yourself in Toronto: cycling class"
I am both a rider and a driver, aware at both times and off both issues on both sides. I rarely, if ever get pissed offed with miscues on both sides. Because I can't control their riding/driving.
I think about it this way, I'm much more careful as a bicycle rider, because if something happens, I get hurt. Similarly, I'm aware the many moves rider's may opt to take as a driver and do what I can to avoid any collisions.
That said, there are never any guarantees.
The only people that annoy me are the ones who complain and act like they own and can control the world.
The other day I had some guy call me a ***** hole for riding past a red. Yes I disobeyed the law, like some motorist and cyclist, but did he see me slow down below 15ks, look both ways at cars and pedestrians before doing this?
(wouldn't it have been real funny if a car struck him while he crossed the street spitefully glaring and swearing at me!... would this have woken him up?)
Offcourse to that guy, I'm an ***** hole because I disobeyed the law, though I was probably more aware of traffic flow on my bike than he was while glaring at me and swwearing while he was crossing the road!
My unapologetic .02 cents
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