KingTermite
OK to follow up on last week's question about renaming forum to include Athenas in the title, please cast your vote.
Should forum be renamed?
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BLIZZ
I guess we should be fair to everyone.
If no DONUT.................PIE will do.:D
If no DONUT.................PIE will do.:D
zpl
I certainly don't see any downsides. I voted Yes.
Scott
Scott
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I like "Old Fashioned" glazed. Make it a dozen.
neilfein
It certainly can't hurt. But have the Athenas asked for this, or are the Clydes being Sensitive New Age Guys?
KingTermite
It certainly can't hurt. But have the Athenas asked for this, or are the Clydes being Sensitive New Age Guys?
See earlier thread about whether we should or not. It was my (guy) suggestion (does that make me a sensitive new age guy?)....but had many positive responses from both genders.
I just thought an official anonymous poll would make it seem like we really queried the masses so Tom or somebody can take it to next level (admins).
See earlier thread about whether we should or not. It was my (guy) suggestion (does that make me a sensitive new age guy?)....but had many positive responses from both genders.
I just thought an official anonymous poll would make it seem like we really queried the masses so Tom or somebody can take it to next level (admins).
crtreedude
KT - I see signs of progression here. First you admit to being a clyde - then a commuter, now I see social activist...
The only thing I think is left is to post a picture of yourself in pink leotards to scare the roadies... not that anyone did that recently... :rolleyes:
:D
The only thing I think is left is to post a picture of yourself in pink leotards to scare the roadies... not that anyone did that recently... :rolleyes:
:D
KingTermite
The only thing I think is left is to post a picture of yourself in pink leotards to scare the roadies... not that anyone did that recently... :rolleyes:
:D
Sorry...I'm 20 years too old for that little goof. I've outgrown my attention needing days.
:D
Sorry...I'm 20 years too old for that little goof. I've outgrown my attention needing days.
crtreedude
<wipes sweat from brow...> We are relieved, truly we are... I am with you, as I get older I really prefer for people not to look too closely if you know what I mean. :D
Just my thought - if the women are put off by being thought of as very large horses and would prefer to be included as goddesses - well, I think I can see their point.
Just my thought - if the women are put off by being thought of as very large horses and would prefer to be included as goddesses - well, I think I can see their point.
edx74
I'm curious how Athena became the nom préféré for larger female cyclists; or perhaps I should be curious how Clydesdale became the term for larger male cyclists. Clydsdales (horses) do come in both sexes, don't they? Why not Zeuses, Herculeses, or Apollos, all half-siblings of Athena, as the male version?
I'm not trying to change anyone's mind about nomenclature, just wondering how the names came about.
I'm not trying to change anyone's mind about nomenclature, just wondering how the names came about.
adrien
my sister has clydesdales (the ones that are famous for pulling Budweiser wagons). As i understand it, like most horses there are both boy ones and girl ones.
I say we leave this one up to the women here.
I say we leave this one up to the women here.
KingTermite
I'm curious how Athena became the nom préféré for larger female cyclists; or perhaps I should be curious how Clydesdale became the term for larger male cyclists. Clydsdales (horses) do come in both sexes, don't they? Why not Zeuses, Herculeses, or Apollos, all half-siblings of Athena, as the male version?
I'm not trying to change anyone's mind about nomenclature, just wondering how the names came about.
I'd like to know too. Somebody was debating over the name "Athena" in the other thread stating it is Clydesdale whether male or female. I did some googling to try find out the name origins. I was unable to find anything that looked official, but found many events and they clearly used those terms (Clydesdales for men and Athenas for women).
I would like to find out the origin too. Wikipedia had nothing on it....I'd like to get the official scoop and then write the Wikipedia article myself, damnit!
I'm not trying to change anyone's mind about nomenclature, just wondering how the names came about.
I'd like to know too. Somebody was debating over the name "Athena" in the other thread stating it is Clydesdale whether male or female. I did some googling to try find out the name origins. I was unable to find anything that looked official, but found many events and they clearly used those terms (Clydesdales for men and Athenas for women).
I would like to find out the origin too. Wikipedia had nothing on it....I'd like to get the official scoop and then write the Wikipedia article myself, damnit!
jskwarek
Better question is, if we change it will they come? Is this really the reason they aren't posting on this forum?
Jason
Jason
pityr
Well, I bet most guys don't mind being called a big strong horse but most women would probably object to it. Athena is a bit more dignifying.
KingTermite
Better question is, if we change it will they come? Is this really the reason they aren't posting on this forum?
Jason
Truly, that is the question.
My feeling is that it doesn't hurt anybody to change it...and hopefully it will work. It's worth the shot...really no downsides to renaming it that I can see.
Jason
Truly, that is the question.
My feeling is that it doesn't hurt anybody to change it...and hopefully it will work. It's worth the shot...really no downsides to renaming it that I can see.
Stujoe
I bet there is already a super secret Athena forum we Clydes just don't know about. ;)
I voted yes, btw. Don't think it would hurt. Donuts almost won out but I wasn't sure what kind they were and I hate the jelly filled ones.
I voted yes, btw. Don't think it would hurt. Donuts almost won out but I wasn't sure what kind they were and I hate the jelly filled ones.
jskwarek
I agree, pretty simple change for any MOD.
Jason
Jason
Wogsterca
I'll assume that the doughnut option is for those of us who don't really care one way or another, now the real question should be are those doughnuts from Tims, Tim Hortons doughnuts and a double double to wash it down, ummmmmmmmm........
Can you tell the last meal I had was breakfast?????
Can you tell the last meal I had was breakfast?????
solveg
It certainly can't hurt. But have the Athenas asked for this, or are the Clydes being Sensitive New Age Guys?
I think you guys are being sensitive... I think that if they read the posts long enough, they'll feel free to post, but adding Athenas is more inviting.
Maybe there's a weight section in the women's forum... don't feel bad, I havent' been invited there yet,either. I think they want to make sure you're legit before you're invited. So there's probably lots of "Athenas" for whom this is the only weight forum... although I still haven't checked out a nutrition area there's supposed to be.
I voted for the donuts...
I think you guys are being sensitive... I think that if they read the posts long enough, they'll feel free to post, but adding Athenas is more inviting.
Maybe there's a weight section in the women's forum... don't feel bad, I havent' been invited there yet,either. I think they want to make sure you're legit before you're invited. So there's probably lots of "Athenas" for whom this is the only weight forum... although I still haven't checked out a nutrition area there's supposed to be.
I voted for the donuts...
evblazer
Yeah Donuts! My wife thinks we should go down to the tour de donuts but I don't know if I could resist all the free donuts. "riders’ times are reduced by five minutes for each doughnut they consume" Last year the winner only ate 21 donuts I mean that is nothing :rolleyes:
http://www.tourdedonut.com/sweetest_bike_ride_in_texas.htm
http://www.tourdedonut.com/sweetest_bike_ride_in_texas.htm
Bill Kapaun
How about Amazons?
JumboRider
Again I remind you that my wife wants the name:
Amazons and their slaves.
Amazons and their slaves.
Tom Stormcrowe
KT - I see signs of progression here. First you admit to being a clyde - then a commuter, now I see social activist...
The only thing I think is left is to post a picture of yourself in pink leotards to scare the roadies... not that anyone did that recently... :rolleyes:
:D
Hey, he did move to the Seattle area as well.....you know those "Left Coast Libs":p (Kidding KT!)
The only thing I think is left is to post a picture of yourself in pink leotards to scare the roadies... not that anyone did that recently... :rolleyes:
:D
Hey, he did move to the Seattle area as well.....you know those "Left Coast Libs":p (Kidding KT!)
ronjon10
I don't care, where are the donuts?
v1k1ng1001
Wasn't Athena always represented as having masculine features?
solveg
I'm interested to hear from the people who object* to the name change... Go'head... noone will jump on you....
solveg
Wasn't Athena always represented as having masculine features?
Compared to who... Aphrodite? I am surprised they call triathaletes "athenas", though, because Athena was more famous for her brains and she was kind of the patron saint of war and war heroes. Was the owl named Nike? Something* was named Nike... so I suppose there's some kind of War/Olympics/Sports thing going on. But she was mostly known for her wisdom.
I've never been under the impression she was a big* goddess... In fact, Aphrodite often had a larger pair of thighs than Athena did.
But anyway, if it's a long time triathalon custom, there's some sense to it... I guess.
Compared to who... Aphrodite? I am surprised they call triathaletes "athenas", though, because Athena was more famous for her brains and she was kind of the patron saint of war and war heroes. Was the owl named Nike? Something* was named Nike... so I suppose there's some kind of War/Olympics/Sports thing going on. But she was mostly known for her wisdom.
I've never been under the impression she was a big* goddess... In fact, Aphrodite often had a larger pair of thighs than Athena did.
But anyway, if it's a long time triathalon custom, there's some sense to it... I guess.
schnee
OK, for the flip side of the conversation.
Athenas strikes me as the name changing that goes on with any social activism. You see it in genders with 'actor/actress'. Once upon a time, 'actor' applied to both, but that was a 'male centric term in a male dominated industry', so actress became used. Then, 'actress' was somehow sexist and demeaning, because it denotes separate and therefore unequal, we're just as good as men, so now 'actress' is out of style and we must now call women 'actors'.
It seems people in some group who don't feel they're being 'treated equally' only feel that way when they control the language. If they 'own' the word, and can tell everyone else what to call them, they're fine. When it becomes accepted usage, that is somehow demeaning, and yet another term is created, or the old one is somehow deconstructed, redefined, and made OK again.
I really don't care one way or the other, but the whole process is silly and somewhat bemusing.
In this case, it's a simple thing - women don't like to be compared to horses, in the same way men don't want to be compared to soft, fluffy, pretty things. So, I voted yes.
Athenas strikes me as the name changing that goes on with any social activism. You see it in genders with 'actor/actress'. Once upon a time, 'actor' applied to both, but that was a 'male centric term in a male dominated industry', so actress became used. Then, 'actress' was somehow sexist and demeaning, because it denotes separate and therefore unequal, we're just as good as men, so now 'actress' is out of style and we must now call women 'actors'.
It seems people in some group who don't feel they're being 'treated equally' only feel that way when they control the language. If they 'own' the word, and can tell everyone else what to call them, they're fine. When it becomes accepted usage, that is somehow demeaning, and yet another term is created, or the old one is somehow deconstructed, redefined, and made OK again.
I really don't care one way or the other, but the whole process is silly and somewhat bemusing.
In this case, it's a simple thing - women don't like to be compared to horses, in the same way men don't want to be compared to soft, fluffy, pretty things. So, I voted yes.
Air
I see no problem with it though I don't think they'll be a flood of new blood. I'm not sure of the official ratio but I bet it's somewhere like 80-20 guys to gals on BF as a whole. If Clydes make up a small proportion there is even a smaller percentage of Athenas hanging around. If that makes them feel more welcome come aboard!!
I'd like to hear more from those Athenas who do post here occasionally to see if they feel it's too much of a sausage fest or if they don't mind just lurking. If it's the former is there something we can do? Not sure though I think if they posted threads we could help out and give tons of support that we're known for.
I'd like to hear more from those Athenas who do post here occasionally to see if they feel it's too much of a sausage fest or if they don't mind just lurking. If it's the former is there something we can do? Not sure though I think if they posted threads we could help out and give tons of support that we're known for.
solveg
I'd like to hear more from those Athenas who do post here occasionally to see if they feel it's too much of a sausage fest or if they don't mind just lurking. If it's the former is there something we can do? Not sure though I think if they posted threads we could help out and give tons of support that we're known for.
Well, yes, it's a sausage-fest, but it's a nice sausage-fest. I read here because you guys really inspire me, and there's a lot of sincerity here and mutual support. It's got the nice easy feel of a beer joint after a softball game. I don't think you give women enough credit if you don't think we would like that!
You guys are just fine the way you are, and so are the women here! It's all good.
But I think it's really nice that you noticed that women weren't participating as much as the guys, and you're wondering why. The only thing I can think of is that as I read the intros, there are more ex-athelete guys than there are women, so there might be a difference in approach. But I don't think it's based on sex. Don't assume women are so different... shoot, if I wanted to talk about shoes, I'd go to the roadie forum!
But count* on the fact that there will be/are ex-athlete women here, and count on the fact that people who need this forum will stay. It's a nice forum!
Susan,
who cannot* fall asleep because she has to nap after cycling!
Well, yes, it's a sausage-fest, but it's a nice sausage-fest. I read here because you guys really inspire me, and there's a lot of sincerity here and mutual support. It's got the nice easy feel of a beer joint after a softball game. I don't think you give women enough credit if you don't think we would like that!
You guys are just fine the way you are, and so are the women here! It's all good.
But I think it's really nice that you noticed that women weren't participating as much as the guys, and you're wondering why. The only thing I can think of is that as I read the intros, there are more ex-athelete guys than there are women, so there might be a difference in approach. But I don't think it's based on sex. Don't assume women are so different... shoot, if I wanted to talk about shoes, I'd go to the roadie forum!
But count* on the fact that there will be/are ex-athlete women here, and count on the fact that people who need this forum will stay. It's a nice forum!
Susan,
who cannot* fall asleep because she has to nap after cycling!
Air
Well, yes, it's a sausage-fest, but it's a nice sausage-fest. I read here because you guys really inspire me, and there's a lot of sincerity here and mutual support. It's got the nice easy feel of a beer joint after a softball game. I don't think you give women enough credit if you don't think we would like that!
Excellent!
You guys are just fine the way you are, and so are the women here! It's all good.
But I think it's really nice that you noticed that women weren't participating as much as the guys, and you're wondering why. The only thing I can think of is that as I read the intros, there are more ex-athelete guys than there are women, so there might be a difference in approach. But I don't think it's based on sex. Don't assume women are so different... shoot, if I wanted to talk about shoes, I'd go to the roadie forum!
But count* on the fact that there will be/are ex-athlete women here, and count on the fact that people who need this forum will stay. It's a nice forum!
Awesome - though non ex-athlete checking in :) I haven't been under Clyde status since high school before I grew. Band geek though...
Susan,
who cannot* fall asleep because she has to nap after cycling!
Ha - I've been there. Wander over to Foo for some good stuff...though I'm going to hit the hay myself.
Excellent!
You guys are just fine the way you are, and so are the women here! It's all good.
But I think it's really nice that you noticed that women weren't participating as much as the guys, and you're wondering why. The only thing I can think of is that as I read the intros, there are more ex-athelete guys than there are women, so there might be a difference in approach. But I don't think it's based on sex. Don't assume women are so different... shoot, if I wanted to talk about shoes, I'd go to the roadie forum!
But count* on the fact that there will be/are ex-athlete women here, and count on the fact that people who need this forum will stay. It's a nice forum!
Awesome - though non ex-athlete checking in :) I haven't been under Clyde status since high school before I grew. Band geek though...
Susan,
who cannot* fall asleep because she has to nap after cycling!
Ha - I've been there. Wander over to Foo for some good stuff...though I'm going to hit the hay myself.
East Hill
OK, for the flip side of the conversation.
Athenas strikes me as the name changing that goes on with any social activism. You see it in genders with 'actor/actress'. Once upon a time, 'actor' applied to both, but that was a 'male centric term in a male dominated industry', so actress became used. Then, 'actress' was somehow sexist and demeaning, because it denotes separate and therefore unequal, we're just as good as men, so now 'actress' is out of style and we must now call women 'actors'.
It seems people in some group who don't feel they're being 'treated equally' only feel that way when they control the language. If they 'own' the word, and can tell everyone else what to call them, they're fine. When it becomes accepted usage, that is somehow demeaning, and yet another term is created, or the old one is somehow deconstructed, redefined, and made OK again.
I really don't care one way or the other, but the whole process is silly and somewhat bemusing.
If you worked for the USPS, and were in charge of a Post Office--would you want to be called a postmaster, or a postmistress?
'Slut' used to be a commonly used word for a slattern: a dirty untidy woman. I doubt that anyone here has ever used that word in the archaic sense, and it's not considered acceptable now for a reason--terminology changed.
Terminology changes because the meanings of words do change over time.
East Hill
Athenas strikes me as the name changing that goes on with any social activism. You see it in genders with 'actor/actress'. Once upon a time, 'actor' applied to both, but that was a 'male centric term in a male dominated industry', so actress became used. Then, 'actress' was somehow sexist and demeaning, because it denotes separate and therefore unequal, we're just as good as men, so now 'actress' is out of style and we must now call women 'actors'.
It seems people in some group who don't feel they're being 'treated equally' only feel that way when they control the language. If they 'own' the word, and can tell everyone else what to call them, they're fine. When it becomes accepted usage, that is somehow demeaning, and yet another term is created, or the old one is somehow deconstructed, redefined, and made OK again.
I really don't care one way or the other, but the whole process is silly and somewhat bemusing.
If you worked for the USPS, and were in charge of a Post Office--would you want to be called a postmaster, or a postmistress?
'Slut' used to be a commonly used word for a slattern: a dirty untidy woman. I doubt that anyone here has ever used that word in the archaic sense, and it's not considered acceptable now for a reason--terminology changed.
Terminology changes because the meanings of words do change over time.
East Hill
PATH
Clydesdales come in male and female when referring to horses. I see no reason to treat gals differently when it comes to bicycle riding. We are all Clydesdales here! Nope! I don't see a need for a name change!
breadbin
Better question is, if we change it will they come? Is this really the reason they aren't posting on this forum?
Jason
I'd keep it as it is. Its going great at the moment why tamper with it? Just my 2 cents.
Jason
I'd keep it as it is. Its going great at the moment why tamper with it? Just my 2 cents.
superslomo
The distinction to my mind is that a woman at 150-180 has none of the concerns about equipment strength and/or failure that a person at 200 or above seems to have (titanium pedal spindles, lightweight wheels that aren't insanely expensive, seatposts, stems etc.), and that is one major theme in the discussions here.
The metaphysical issues are similar, the physical issues in terms of hardware are potentially quite different.
The metaphysical issues are similar, the physical issues in terms of hardware are potentially quite different.
solveg
If you worked for the USPS, and were in charge of a Post Office--would you want to be called a postmaster, or a postmistress?
'Slut' used to be a commonly used word for a slattern: a dirty untidy woman. I doubt that anyone here has ever used that word in the archaic sense, and it's not considered acceptable now for a reason--terminology changed.
Terminology changes because the meanings of words do change over time.
East Hill
Yeah, but I'm not sure how this fits into the whole Clydesdales/Athenas thing. I think we're creating new words (hey-maybe even new concepts!) as we're going along. Up until the internet, the only time Big Bicyclists were referred to AT ALL was apparently as a class designation in triathalons, and in Queen songs.
So I don't know if it's a PC issue. I just think we're struggling because most bicyclists aren't up on their triathalon terminology.
However*-- I don't think calling a woman a Clydesdale is the best* move you can make, no matter how you look at it. But it's a good honest word, perhaps more honest than Athena. I like honesty, but I don't think I'd ever call myself* a Clydesdale.
And sure, you guys have to deal with equipment issues more than we do, but we have to deal with being totally brushed off by bicycle shop people, and we have to deal with more stigma with being fat in general. But that doesn't mean we can't talk about it with each other.
Susan--
who went to all-girl high school and* college and thought it was pretty lame.
'Slut' used to be a commonly used word for a slattern: a dirty untidy woman. I doubt that anyone here has ever used that word in the archaic sense, and it's not considered acceptable now for a reason--terminology changed.
Terminology changes because the meanings of words do change over time.
East Hill
Yeah, but I'm not sure how this fits into the whole Clydesdales/Athenas thing. I think we're creating new words (hey-maybe even new concepts!) as we're going along. Up until the internet, the only time Big Bicyclists were referred to AT ALL was apparently as a class designation in triathalons, and in Queen songs.
So I don't know if it's a PC issue. I just think we're struggling because most bicyclists aren't up on their triathalon terminology.
However*-- I don't think calling a woman a Clydesdale is the best* move you can make, no matter how you look at it. But it's a good honest word, perhaps more honest than Athena. I like honesty, but I don't think I'd ever call myself* a Clydesdale.
And sure, you guys have to deal with equipment issues more than we do, but we have to deal with being totally brushed off by bicycle shop people, and we have to deal with more stigma with being fat in general. But that doesn't mean we can't talk about it with each other.
Susan--
who went to all-girl high school and* college and thought it was pretty lame.
tpelle
Don't Clydesdales (the horses) com in both male AND female? I voted no.
schnee
If you worked for the USPS, and were in charge of a Post Office--would you want to be called a postmaster, or a postmistress?
'Slut' used to be a commonly used word for a slattern: a dirty untidy woman. I doubt that anyone here has ever used that word in the archaic sense, and it's not considered acceptable now for a reason--terminology changed.
Terminology changes because the meanings of words do change over time.
RE: Postmaster, nobody's asking for 'Postmistress', and there was never any request for one. I think you meant a more gender slanted term like 'Policeman'.
'Slattern' was still a sex-specific term back then because it specifically referred to women.
I see where you're going, but I'm not seeing where it's connected to what I'm talking about.
'Slut' used to be a commonly used word for a slattern: a dirty untidy woman. I doubt that anyone here has ever used that word in the archaic sense, and it's not considered acceptable now for a reason--terminology changed.
Terminology changes because the meanings of words do change over time.
RE: Postmaster, nobody's asking for 'Postmistress', and there was never any request for one. I think you meant a more gender slanted term like 'Policeman'.
'Slattern' was still a sex-specific term back then because it specifically referred to women.
I see where you're going, but I'm not seeing where it's connected to what I'm talking about.
East Hill
I just think we're struggling because most bicyclists aren't up on their triathalon terminology.
I think you have hit the nail on the head.
East Hill
I think you have hit the nail on the head.
East Hill
schnee
Don't Clydesdales (the horses) com in both male AND female? I voted no.
OK, you go call a woman a 'Clydesdale' to her face and see how she reacts. Same way as if you had a category for extremely small people called 'Whisps' or 'Squirrels' or something; what self-respecting man would say, *puffs up chest* "yeah, I'm a Whisp!"
OK, you go call a woman a 'Clydesdale' to her face and see how she reacts. Same way as if you had a category for extremely small people called 'Whisps' or 'Squirrels' or something; what self-respecting man would say, *puffs up chest* "yeah, I'm a Whisp!"
lil brown bat
I knew the whole "that's so PC!" wank was bound to rear its ugly, spotted head in this thread.
I wonder if perhaps someone confused "Athena" with "Amazon", back when it started being used in this forum. It's a possibility. I understand the motivation to change based on the idea that women might see "Clydesdales" and think "not for women", but dipped if I see why -- especially if the forum description doesn't say or suggest "men only". I also think that this poll won't really answer the question that you probably want answered most, which is, are women seeing the forum name and not bothering to look inside? Because if they are, how are you going to hear from them in a poll in the Clydesdales forum?
My vote: I think "Clydesdales and Athenas" is kind of intrinsically dumb, since (as others have pointed out) Clydesdales do have two genders...and I think it's impossible to tell if it would have any positive effect. So I guess I vote no.
I wonder if perhaps someone confused "Athena" with "Amazon", back when it started being used in this forum. It's a possibility. I understand the motivation to change based on the idea that women might see "Clydesdales" and think "not for women", but dipped if I see why -- especially if the forum description doesn't say or suggest "men only". I also think that this poll won't really answer the question that you probably want answered most, which is, are women seeing the forum name and not bothering to look inside? Because if they are, how are you going to hear from them in a poll in the Clydesdales forum?
My vote: I think "Clydesdales and Athenas" is kind of intrinsically dumb, since (as others have pointed out) Clydesdales do have two genders...and I think it's impossible to tell if it would have any positive effect. So I guess I vote no.
East Hill
Well, after doing some mulling, I galloped over to the real horses's mouth--Team Estrogen.
Much to my astonishment, the term 'Athena/s' came up less than 50 times in a search. Even the experts at TE don't use the term much.
So, with that in mind, I'm simply going to keep on telling those who introduce themselves as starting back to bicycling because they want to lose weight/get back in shape that the Clydes will take care of you, no matter what sex, no matter what weight.
Because when we get right down to it--this forum is supportive of those who express the desire to lose/maintain weight, and get back in shape. That's what makes this a great forum.
That, and it's a nice sausagefest :D .
East Hill
Much to my astonishment, the term 'Athena/s' came up less than 50 times in a search. Even the experts at TE don't use the term much.
So, with that in mind, I'm simply going to keep on telling those who introduce themselves as starting back to bicycling because they want to lose weight/get back in shape that the Clydes will take care of you, no matter what sex, no matter what weight.
Because when we get right down to it--this forum is supportive of those who express the desire to lose/maintain weight, and get back in shape. That's what makes this a great forum.
That, and it's a nice sausagefest :D .
East Hill
GypsyAngel
I am a heavy female cyclist and have always felt welcome here in the Clyde's forum. We don't have all the same issues as larger male riders just as you don't have all the same issues we have. But some things are similar and I've learned a lot reading through the threads.
I think it was awesome of KT to pose this question. A very welcoming and inviting thought. And it doesn't seem like a PC move to me at all. I wish we had a more active "Athena" group. But I wonder if the lack of activity is plain and simple that there are less of us around.
So since there aren't many of us that post... I'm hanging with you guys and it doesn't really matter to me what the title of the section is. Though I did vote "yes" just in case there are people around who don't know what the Clyde forum is all about. But then again I didn't know what an "Athena" was until I read the Athena sticky so putting Athena in the title wouldn't have helped me. Who knows!!!
Sharon
I think it was awesome of KT to pose this question. A very welcoming and inviting thought. And it doesn't seem like a PC move to me at all. I wish we had a more active "Athena" group. But I wonder if the lack of activity is plain and simple that there are less of us around.
So since there aren't many of us that post... I'm hanging with you guys and it doesn't really matter to me what the title of the section is. Though I did vote "yes" just in case there are people around who don't know what the Clyde forum is all about. But then again I didn't know what an "Athena" was until I read the Athena sticky so putting Athena in the title wouldn't have helped me. Who knows!!!
Sharon
Stujoe
I don't care if they come in both male and female, if this forum was called 'Fluffy Bunnies' or something similar, I would have a hard time posting in it. ;)
I agree that a lot of the ladies probably won't have as many equipment issues. Just as a guy who is 6'6" and 230lbs is probably not going to care much about the support aspect. From my short time in this forum, the combination equipment and support aspects are what make this place great.
Regardless of whether there is a name change, I think this thread is positive.
I agree that a lot of the ladies probably won't have as many equipment issues. Just as a guy who is 6'6" and 230lbs is probably not going to care much about the support aspect. From my short time in this forum, the combination equipment and support aspects are what make this place great.
Regardless of whether there is a name change, I think this thread is positive.
jmarkley710
Considering the nature of this thread and pople doubting the masculinity of the men in this forum... What about... Urban Renaissance Men & Athenas?
The Urban Renaissance Man – The guy who is motivated, educated, sensitive yet still tough in some way and at least willing to settle down.
The Urban Renaissance Man – The guy who is motivated, educated, sensitive yet still tough in some way and at least willing to settle down.
solveg
Considering the nature of this thread and pople doubting the masculinity of the men in this forum... What about... Urban Renaissance Men & Athenas?
I think it's a totally typical* masculine thing to do... wondering why there's no women at the party and trying to figure out how to get them there. It's just more fun when there's a mix.
I think it's a totally typical* masculine thing to do... wondering why there's no women at the party and trying to figure out how to get them there. It's just more fun when there's a mix.
Catherine+2
The distinction to my mind is that a woman at 150-180 has none of the concerns about equipment strength and/or failure that a person at 200 or above seems to have (titanium pedal spindles, lightweight wheels that aren't insanely expensive, seatposts, stems etc.), and that is one major theme in the discussions here.
The metaphysical issues are similar, the physical issues in terms of hardware are potentially quite different.
Trust me, you have a few women here who are over 200 lbs and DO worry about the equipment. Even at my goal weight, I'll still be over 150 (although I won't worry about my wheels so much then).
Catherine
The metaphysical issues are similar, the physical issues in terms of hardware are potentially quite different.
Trust me, you have a few women here who are over 200 lbs and DO worry about the equipment. Even at my goal weight, I'll still be over 150 (although I won't worry about my wheels so much then).
Catherine
barndoor
Ehhh....I voted 'no'...keep it as is....
"Athenas", I believe, aren't really concerned with bike equipment issues as much as "Clydes" would be.....I mean as far as durability issues, etc.....we're talkin' 180#ers compared to 300#ers...
Why not create a new category for "Athenas" ?
"Athenas", I believe, aren't really concerned with bike equipment issues as much as "Clydes" would be.....I mean as far as durability issues, etc.....we're talkin' 180#ers compared to 300#ers...
Why not create a new category for "Athenas" ?
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