So on Friday the 29th of June at 17:43 at the corner of Mavis and Burnhamthorpe in Mississauga, Ontario a Black Camry, licence plate XXXXXXX, hit a cyclist crossing the street. He got pwned by two cyclists afterwards!
Basically the light was green for us to cross Burnhamthorpe on the northside where the bike path is. Southbound Mavis at that corner has a right turn lane and a right turn light as well. The Black Camry missed the light turning yellow to make his right hand turn. He was going through the red light. He hit the cyclist that was crossing just ahead of me. Luckily the cyclist was unhurt except for some scrapes on his right lower leg.
So far it looks like just another minor accident right? Well, here's where he got pwned. He didn't stop. He completed his right turn and sped away. As he turned right he exposed his rear licence plate to me. I started repeating the plate to myself (deleted plate number, deleted, deleted) over and over until I crossed the intersection. Once safely across I yelled at the other cyclist to stop, he did. Then I told him: Hold on a second and remeber this plate: deleted. As I'm repeating the licence plate in my head I open my bag on my bike rack and pull out my Moleskin notebook, you know... the same type of notebook Hemmingway used. I wrote the licence plate down, the time and details. Then the other cyclist called the cops.
Right behind us came an old man on a motorized wheelchair. He saw the whole thing as well. When the cops arrived we gave them the details, our testimonys and so on. The took our names and numbers and took off to arrest the driver.
By now you've probably figured out why. The motorist commited a felony hit-and-run. Which is a criminal offence. Since there wasn't any bodily harm the charge will be lesser. But if he does in fact get convicted, he still have a criminal record.
It's the only thing we could do but when it comes to a motorist hitting a cyclist, I have a zero tolerence policy.
(Moderator note: I'm not sure about potential legal repercussions to Bike Forums concerning posting a plate number especially considering the motorist as of yet hasn't been convicted of anything, so I am deleting it to stay on the conservative side here. -Tom Stormcrowe)
Administrator's note. Tom isn't old enough to be senile, yet I had to delete the plate again. There will not be a third time. - Brian
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Luckily the rider wasn't hurt. Calling the call was the right thing to do.
I-Like-To-Bike
By now you've probably figured out why. The motorist commited a felony hit-and-run. Which is a criminal offence. Since there wasn't any bodily harm the charge will be lesser. But if he does in fact get convicted, he still have a criminal record.
It's the only thing we could do but when it comes to a motorist hitting a cyclist, I have a zero tolerence policy.
While you were on the phone with the police, did you report the JackAss who was boasting on BF how he keyed a car with his multitool while the driver was not present? I believe you witnessed that crime also.:rolleyes:
Blue Order
Good job!
Zeuser
While you were on the phone with the police, did you report the JackAss who was boasting on BF how he keyed a car with his multitool while the driver was not present? I believe you witnessed that crime also.:rolleyes:
That happened hours afterwards. And as far as I'm concerned, she deserved it.
skanking biker
What does "pwned" mean?
Zinn-X
^^ "owned"
The motorist isn't pwned until he's in jail unfortunately.
skanking biker
^^ "owned"
The motorist isn't pwned until he's in jail unfortunately.
ahhhh---you kids with your cute slang!
AEO
I go by there sometimes with my car. I can see the logic in the car driver's head... "run for the highway, they can't catch me there". But never thought to consider any witnesses.
He'll probably get a slapped with a really hefty fine and criminal charge even though no one was injured. We've had a slur of hit and runs this year and last year and OPP has to be getting tired of these runners.
Good thing no one was seriously hurt.
Goriot
hey I was biking around there recently. That's a pretty dangerous intersection. Do you ride all along Burnhamthorpe? When I'm in Mississauga I use it a lot, as well as little farther north, the tenth line path and the glen erin/montevideo area.
this story reminded me to keep a pen in my topeak.
Zeuser
hey I was biking around there recently. That's a pretty dangerous intersection. Do you ride all along Burnhamthorpe? When I'm in Mississauga I use it a lot, as well as little farther north, the tenth line path and the glen erin/montevideo area.
this story reminded me to keep a pen in my topeak.
I use Burnhamthorpe all the time. Corner of Mavis is the most dangerous on that path. I also bike on the Gen Erin trail, Sawmill Valley, Culham and Waterfront.
slowandsteady
You story doesn't add up. I thought Camry's only came in beige. ;)
a Black Camry, licence plate XXXXXXXX,
slowandsteady
That happened hours afterwards. And as far as I'm concerned, she deserved it.
I bet that is exactly what the hit and run driver was thinking too. Karma is a funny thing...
Zeuser
You story doesn't add up. I thought Camry's only came in beige. ;)
I thought beige was exclusive to Corollas. :o
Falkon
Who deserves getting hit by a driver running a red light for crossing the street on a green?
Sledbikes
I bet that is exactly what the hit and run driver was thinking too. Karma is a funny thing...
x2 karma doesnt descriminate
Brian
That happened hours afterwards. And as far as I'm concerned, she deserved it.
So who made you judge, jury, and legislature?
Raiyn
How exactly does
cops taking information + driving away = owned motorist ?
I've seen cops in my area blow a intersection code 3 (lights and siren) only to switch off and duck into a nearby doughnut shop.
Also is it wise to post the license plate of this person? I'd imagine the chances of harassment from visitors here and the legal ramifications involved would be a bad thing for us if something happened
Brian
How exactly does
cops taking information + driving away = owned motorist ?
I've seen cops in my area blow a intersection code 3 (lights and siren) only to switch off and duck into a nearby doughnut shop.
My morning coffee has been replaced by the dash onto the freeway. It's one of the few places where I can run through the gears on my motorcycle really quickly. This morning, I noticed the front fender of a UHP car pull up next to me at the light. I turned to get a look at the driver, and she was pretty cute. Sleeveless dress, talking on her cell phone. Wtf? That was no UHP driver, and there was no "Out of service" sign. :(
Raiyn
Sleeveless dress, talking on her cell phone. Wtf? That was no UHP driver, and there was no "Out of service" sign. :(
Might have been an off duty officer. Many jurisdictions allow their officers to take the squad cars home. The only time the "Out of Service" sign is needed is when there is NOT a licensed peace officer driving (ie motor pool wrenches doing a road test)
Zeuser
How exactly does
cops taking information + driving away = owned motorist ?
I've seen cops in my area blow a intersection code 3 (lights and siren) only to switch off and duck into a nearby doughnut shop.
Also is it wise to post the license plate of this person? I'd imagine the chances of harassment from visitors here and the legal ramifications involved would be a bad thing for us if something happened
Cops headed over to the guy's place to arrest him. Looks like he got owned. And it looks like they're going to follow through; got a call from the cops to come by and give a written testimony.
Raiyn
Cops headed over to the guy's place to arrest him. Looks like he got owned. And it looks like they're going to follow through; got a call from the cops to come by and give a written testimony.
It's still a bad move to post the alleged perp's plate# you wouldn't want them to get off on a technicality
Blue Order
Cops headed over to the guy's place to arrest him. Looks like he got owned. And it looks like they're going to follow through; got a call from the cops to come by and give a written testimony.:D
Good job, sounds like somebody who deserves it will be getting a felony rap.
SingingSabre
I thought beige was exclusive to Corollas. :o
That's mauve, actually.
Good on you for calling in a hit and run.
EDIT: And I'm glad you're okay!
Brian
It's still a bad move to post the alleged perp's plate# you wouldn't want them to get off on a technicality
And I see one of my peeps has edited it out, yet the OP posted it again. This does not bode well for the OP. I don't expect to see anything but the letter X next time I check it.
[edit] Ok, there is a chance that Tom might be getting senile. Poor old bugger.
EnigManiac
It's still a bad move to post the alleged perp's plate# you wouldn't want them to get off on a technicality
Posting a plate number on the intenet along with the details of an 'alleged' incident would not be grounds for dismissal on any sort of technicality. Platewire.com would be in court every five minutes if that was the case (and that is a good place to post the details of the incident as well, by the way).
A witness may recount their story without reservation or prejudice in any manner they choose to. They are, after all, merely making an allegation. They are neither slandering nor expressing a mistruth about a persons' character, beliefs or conduct. In Canada, Canadians are guaranteed the right to the media in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the media includes the internet.
Zeuser
And I see one of my peeps has edited it out, yet the OP posted it again. This does not bode well for the OP. I don't expect to see anything but the letter X next time I check it.
[edit] Ok, there is a chance that Tom might be getting senile. Poor old bugger.
Yeah.. I was going to say that. I didn't repost the plate #.
In retrospect, I probably shouldn't have posted the plate until the guy is convicted. Thanks for the Edit Tom.
Zeuser
Posting a plate number on the intenet along with the details of an 'alleged' incident would not be grounds for dismissal on any sort of technicality. Platewire.com would be in court every five minutes if that was the case (and that is a good place to post the details of the incident as well, by the way).
A witness may recount their story without reservation or prejudice in any manner they choose to. They are, after all, merely making an allegation. They are neither slandering nor expressing a mistruth about a persons' character, beliefs or conduct. In Canada, Canadians are guaranteed the right to the media in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the media includes the internet.
True but I still believe in the "innocent until proven guilty". And contrary to what Brian thinks, I'm not the Judge, Jury and executioner. At least not in a case that I'm not directly involved.
Raiyn
Posting a plate number on the intenet along with the details of an 'alleged' incident would not be grounds for dismissal on any sort of technicality. Platewire.com would be in court every five minutes if that was the case (and that is a good place to post the details of the incident as well, by the way).
A witness may recount their story without reservation or prejudice in any manner they choose to. They are, after all, merely making an allegation. They are neither slandering nor expressing a mistruth about a persons' character, beliefs or conduct. In Canada, Canadians are guaranteed the right to the media in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the media includes the internet.
You apparently didn't read my earlier post (http://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.php?p=4774948&postcount=18).
How exactly <snip>
Also is it wise to post the license plate of this person? I'd imagine the chances of harassment from visitors here and the legal ramifications involved would be a bad thing for us if something happened
aMull
While you were on the phone with the police, did you report the JackAss who was boasting on BF how he keyed a car with his multitool while the driver was not present? I believe you witnessed that crime also.:rolleyes:
Crime? :rolleyes: Get over yourself.
I-Like-To-Bike
Crime? :rolleyes: Get over yourself.
Shame no one is around to deliberately scratch messages on your bike as a message to see what you think about it. Get over it indeed, Jack!
Sledbikes
Shame no one is around to deliberately scratch messages on your bike as a message to see what you think about it. Get over it indeed, Jack!
if he did that to my car and i knew about it his bike would need more than a fancy paintjob, more like extreme reassembly involving welders and torches
Zeuser
Shame no one is around to deliberately scratch messages on your bike as a message to see what you think about it. Get over it indeed, Jack!
Shame you left your brain at home when you woke up this morning.
You're replying to the wrong person. LOL! :lol:
Zeuser
if he did that to my car and i knew about it his bike would need more than a fancy paintjob, more like extreme reassembly involving welders and torches
So are you saying that you would drive like a jerk and deliberately provoke a cyclist into doing bad things to you or your car?
Are you really that type of person? Think about it for a second. Why would I do that to your car if you didn't do something to me first?
If not, then you have nothing to worry about and you're just talking for the sake of talking.
Dchiefransom
So are you saying that you would drive like a jerk and deliberately provoke a cyclist into doing bad things to you or your car?
Are you really that type of person? Think about it for a second. Why would I do that to your car if you didn't do something to me first?
If not, then you have nothing to worry about and you're just talking for the sake of talking.
Vandalism is a misdemeanor, and if it costs enough to fix the paint job, it becomes a felony, just like hit and run.
Sledbikes
So are you saying that you would drive like a jerk and deliberately provoke a cyclist into doing bad things to you or your car?
Are you really that type of person? Think about it for a second. Why would I do that to your car if you didn't do something to me first?
If not, then you have nothing to worry about and you're just talking for the sake of talking.
you missed the message i dont hasle anybody when im driving but if im hasled by anybody i dont hesitate to use my freight train horns to hand out a ear splitting headache. i also bought some ear splitting semi trumpets for my cruiser in case any people with cars decide to get froggy. regardless he didnt scratch your bike so why did you find it justified to ruin his paint job that **** isnt cheap
Zeuser
you missed the message i dont hasle anybody when im driving but if im hasled by anybody i dont hesitate to use my freight train horns to hand out a ear splitting headache. i also bought some ear splitting semi trumpets for my cruiser in case any people with cars decide to get froggy. regardless he didnt scratch your bike so why did you find it justified to ruin his paint job that **** isnt cheap
It's "her" BTW.
Can we talk about this in the other thread instead? This one is going a bit off topic because of I-like-to-bike and I'd hate to see the message from the original post get lost in a rdiculous flame war that I-like-to-bike started.
Brian
Crime? :rolleyes: Get over yourself.
Are you suggesting it's not a crime to scratch someone's car?
San Rensho
Its a good idea not to post the tag no for two reasons. First, BF could possibly sued for slander. The OP is making a factual statement about an identifiable, the owner of cerrtain tag no committed a crime, a hit and run. Publishers of slander can also be sued for slander.
Second, the posts here could affect the trial. The OP has made some very clear factual allegations on this forum. If the OP were to tetify and the defendant's attorney got the postings from here, the defense attorney could have a field day with the OP if there was the slightest inconsistency with what the OP said at trial and the OP's postings here.
Brian
Its a good idea not to post the tag no for two reasons. First, BF could possibly sued for slander. The OP is making a factual statement about an identifiable, the owner of cerrtain tag no committed a crime, a hit and run. Publishers of slander can also be sued for slander.
Second, the posts here could affect the trial. The OP has made some very clear factual allegations on this forum. If the OP were to tetify and the defendant's attorney got the postings from here, the defense attorney could have a field day with the OP if there was the slightest inconsistency with what the OP said at trial and the OP's postings here.
It is not possible to slander someone on the internet.
Brian
While he apparently doesn't understand the difference between libel and slander, I can see slandering someone on the internet via Youtube, etc.
Damn you to hell! :D
richardmasoner
(Moderator note: I'm not sure about potential legal repercussions to Bike Forums concerning posting a plate number especially considering the motorist as of yet hasn't been convicted of anything, so I am deleting it to stay on the conservative side here. -Tom Stormcrowe)
Administrator's note. Tom isn't old enough to be senile, yet I had to delete the plate again. There will not be a third time. - Brian
Some people might argue for ethical reasons to censor license plate numbers, but there's absolutely no legal reason at all to censor license plate numbers. In my area, the Silicon Valley Bicycle Coalition and the San Francisco Peninsula Bicycle & Pedestrian Coalition regularly publish "driver advisory" notices complete with plate numbers, vehicle description, and even driver name and address if we can get it. They've been doing this for years. California is filled with litigation-happy people, but these groups don't perceive any risk in these advisories.
RFM
filtersweep
You really are idealistic--- in the US, unless there are injuries requiring medical attention, or a few thousand dollars in property damages, there are rarely any charges for such "accidents." They are generally not considered hit and run--- and a citizen witnessing the accident doesn't mean much.
I go by there sometimes with my car. I can see the logic in the car driver's head... "run for the highway, they can't catch me there". But never thought to consider any witnesses.
He'll probably get a slapped with a really hefty fine and criminal charge even though no one was injured. We've had a slur of hit and runs this year and last year and OPP has to be getting tired of these runners.
Good thing no one was seriously hurt.
Zeuser
You really are idealistic--- in the US, unless there are injuries requiring medical attention, or a few thousand dollars in property damages, there are rarely any charges for such "accidents." They are generally not considered hit and run--- and a citizen witnessing the accident doesn't mean much.
Well, they must be taking it seriously since they called me to go by and give a written testimony. Oh... and this is Canada so our cops aren't as busy as they are south of the border so they have more time to deal with these things. Mississauga also happens to boast the lowest crime rate of any major city in Canada so you know they'll be doing something about this.
gabdy
What does "pwned" mean?
urbandictionary.com is your friend.
JeffB502
You really are idealistic--- in the US, unless there are injuries requiring medical attention, or a few thousand dollars in property damages, there are rarely any charges for such "accidents." They are generally not considered hit and run--- and a citizen witnessing the accident doesn't mean much.
In California hit and run with injuries or death is a wobbler (meaning it can result in a felony or misdemeanor conviction, and for the purposes of the arrest the officer would be making a felony arrest). Hit and run from a collision involving only property damage (any amount, even a small scratch) is a misdemeanor. I know here even with misdemeanor hit and run they're pretty serious about follow up investigations, especially since many people flee the scene because they're drunk or operating their vehicle illegally in some other way (no license, no insurance, etc.)
I-Like-To-Bike
Well, they must be taking it seriously since they called me to go by and give a written testimony. Oh... and this is Canada so our cops aren't as busy as they are south of the border so they have more time to deal with these things. Mississauga also happens to boast the lowest crime rate of any major city in Canada so you know they'll be doing something about this.
Maybe again if justice prevails the lady with the vandalized car and the police will put 2 + 2 together and come knocking on your door again. How old are you anyhow? This is my last comment to a joker who posts messages bragging about his stupidity as if he were 12 years old.
AGGRO
Hit and run means jack squat in CA. That is why it is up so bad now. Areas like Escondido it is almost normal. If the driver stays he might be deported if any outstanding issues, so they run.
Brian
Some people might argue for ethical reasons to censor license plate numbers, but there's absolutely no legal reason at all to censor license plate numbers. In my area, the Silicon Valley Bicycle Coalition and the San Francisco Peninsula Bicycle & Pedestrian Coalition regularly publish "driver advisory" notices complete with plate numbers, vehicle description, and even driver name and address if we can get it. They've been doing this for years. California is filled with litigation-happy people, but these groups don't perceive any risk in these advisories.
RFM
Richard,
We may be a bit on the cautious side, but publishing plates really serves no purpose here. And sadly, it's been far more common for us to see the words "If you see this ****ing ******* of a ****" accompanying the plate and vehicle description, along with suggestions of actions that should be taken against the driver. Not really what we want to promote.
Cheers,
Brian
xerocoma
That happened hours afterwards. And as far as I'm concerned, she deserved it.
Of course.. that's not your decision to make unless you're on the jury. A crime is a crime.