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Enough is enough with all of the BS drug threads.
Time for a separate forum for the self righteous newbies to wax and wane about the dire situation of a sport that they've only been following for a few years.
This forum is about Racing, not Doping.
Got it? Good.
That is all.
BlessedHellride
07-05-07, 12:58 PM
Amen!
USAZorro
07-05-07, 01:10 PM
Correct.
DiabloScott
07-05-07, 01:18 PM
Word
DrWJODonnell
07-05-07, 01:19 PM
Plus whatever.
gfrance
07-05-07, 01:20 PM
Doping is the gossip of the cycling world. Akin to the comings and goings of Paris, Lindsy, Brit, and co.
4 of 13 articles on velonews front page are about doping compared to 3 about the tour and not doping. Doping is the biggest issue in professional racing right now.
4 of 13 articles on velonews front page are about doping compared to 3 about the tour and not doping. Doping is the biggest issue in professional racing right now.
Incorrect.
Doping is not the biggest issue in professional racing, it's the biggest issue in the media coverage of professional racing.
4 of 13 articles on velonews front page are about doping compared to 3 about the tour and not doping. Doping is the biggest issue in professional racing right now.They're all newbies.;)
If you're a newbie who wants to look like you've been following the sport for years, just learn to google as fast as Botto. Instant internet expert! Then put down everyone talking about the hottest topic in SPORTS as "self righteous newbies". You'll look like a jaded veteran making a positive contribution to the sport.
They're all newbies.;)
If you're a newbie who wants to look like you've been following the sport for years, just learn to google as fast as Botto. Instant internet expert! Then put down everyone talking about the hottest topic in SPORTS as "self righteous newbies". You'll look like a jaded veteran making a positive contribution to the sport.
nice try troll, now go crawl back under whatever rock you came from. :rolleyes:
Doping is not the biggest issue in professional racing, it's the biggest issue in the media coverage of professional racing.
Oh really? Please tell me what is bigger issue than that which has removed the likes of Basso, Ullrich, Petacchi, etc then?
nice try troll, now go crawl back under whatever rock you came from. :rolleyes:I like it. When you have to resort to insults, you've peen pwned.;)
I like it. When you have to resort to insults, you've peen pwned.;)
Pot. Kettle. Black:
They're all newbies.;)
If you're a newbie who wants to look like you've been following the sport for years, just learn to google as fast as Botto. Instant internet expert! Then put down everyone talking about the hottest topic in SPORTS as "self righteous newbies". You'll look like a jaded veteran making a positive contribution to the sport.
Oh really? Please tell me what is bigger issue than that which has removed the likes of Basso, Ullrich, Petacchi, etc then?
Who's going to win the Tour. Duh. :rolleyes:
El Diablo Rojo
07-05-07, 01:57 PM
Botto you know I love ya man but I respectfully disagree with you on this issue. Doping and professional cycling are so intertwined right now that we cannot separate them. Yes I hate that I can't log onto this site or any other cycling related site without reading about doping. That in itself tells me that the sport is in trouble.
As for newbies waxing and waning about doping, even with your wish granted we'd still have the neophyte racer discussing bike racing weather it be amateur or professional.
I really don't believe that you can have an informed discussion about professional bike racing with out talking about the drug issue. Every day we are presented with a new scandal involving another series of riders.
Who's going to win the Tour. Duh. :rolleyes:
Yes and that comes down largely to doping. Both in terms of who does it best and who gets caught and can no longer win the tour.
Yes and that comes down largely to doping. Both in terms of who does it best and who gets caught and can no longer win the tour.
wand your point is?
wand your point is?
That doping is the most important issue in professional cycling right now and no reasonable forum for discussing the later can ignore the former.
wand your point is?Can we have a forum for people who can't spell three letter words like "and"?
That doping is the most important issue in professional cycling right now and no reasonable forum for discussing the later can ignore the former.
incorrect.
this is the place for you http://forums.roadbikereview.com/forumdisplay.php?f=96 , or maybe this is the place for you http://www.dailypelotonforums.com/main/index.php?showforum=17
Can we have a forum for people who can't spell three letter words like "and"?
walked right into that one, didn't you sparky?
I like it. When you have to resort to insults, you've peen pwned.
incorrect.
good argument.
CyLowe97
07-05-07, 02:17 PM
Oh botto, how the heck did this place function without you last week?
Did the winners of the Maratona have to pee in a cup or give up some blood at the finish line?
;)
Oh botto, how the heck did this place function without you last week?
Did the winners of the Maratona have to pee in a cup or give up some blood at the finish line?
;)
What do you think? Raimundas Rumsas was there. :D
Enough is enough with all of the BS drug threads.
Time for a separate forum for the self righteous newbies to wax and wane about the dire situation of a sport that they've only been following for a few years.
This forum is about Racing, not Doping.
Got it? Good.
That is all.
Not for nothing, botto, but there are only about 4 threads in the top 50 that are about doping, hardly enough for a new forum; and while the Floyd threads may not relate to racing right now, news about Riis and Petacchi definitely is related enough so that I'm not going to feel bad about starting a thread about them, or responding to one. I respect your experience, and for the most part I enjoy your posts, but I don't think it would be that hard for you to just not read the three or four threads in this forum (that are in the fifty most current threads right now) that do pertain to doping. They are pretty self-evident.
Lithuania
07-05-07, 02:26 PM
i swear some people on come in here to talk about doping
Not for nothing, botto, but there are only about 4 threads in the top 50 that are about doping, hardly enough for a new forum; and while the Floyd threads may not relate to racing right now, news about Riis and Petacchi definitely is related enough so that I'm not going to feel bad about starting a thread about them, or responding to one. I respect your experience, and for the most part I enjoy your posts, but I don't think it would be that hard for you to just not read the three or four threads in this forum (that are in the fifty most current threads right now) that do pertain to doping. They are pretty self-evident.
Not always true. A lot of threads turn into doping soap boxes, as soon as a known cheaters name is mentioned.
I hear Botto loud and clear though. There are too many people intently watching the drug news and forgetting how cool this sport really is.
Even Phil and Paul know to keep that crap to a minimum and get back to the racing.
waterrockets
07-05-07, 02:30 PM
I agree w/Botto on this one. I can pick up a live race feed and have a perfectly enjoyable time following whoever made it to the start that day. Landis' situation doesn't change my enjoyment of his heroic break in stage 17 last year. The doping is noise that just doesn't matter to me.
elysdean
07-05-07, 02:40 PM
+1
FixdGearHead
07-05-07, 02:52 PM
walked right into that one, didn't you sparky?
Advantage...Botto. Classic.
I've grown numb to the whole doping scandal news; guess I've accepted it and have done my best to look past it. Am getting a little sick & tired of all the media hype around the topic as we near the start of the Tour.
Phantoj
07-05-07, 02:53 PM
I don't understand the use of the phrase "waxing and waning"... :confused:
FixdGearHead
07-05-07, 02:58 PM
I don't understand the use of the phrase "waxing and waning"... :confused:
up & Down, increase & decrease, back & forth...ahh, the waxing & waning of the moon. Or in this case, the topic of Doping. Anyways, that's my context of the phrase.
I don't understand the use of the phrase "waxing and waning"... :confused:
Thats because it is an incorrect use of the phrase.
timmhaan
07-05-07, 03:08 PM
i could do without all the blanket "they all dope" statements.
Lithuania
07-05-07, 03:09 PM
Advantage would definitely be to Botto if he could come up with a thoughtful response to the question of why Greg Lemond is waxing and waning about doping in cycling if the only ones doing it are self righteous newbies. He has called Lemond a self righteous newbie. Why?
i dont think greg lemond posts in this forum
CastIron
07-05-07, 03:20 PM
Bicycle racing has people who dope. It's a fact of life. Accept it and move on.
FixdGearHead
07-05-07, 03:20 PM
i dont think greg lemond posts in this forum
He does, but he takes on a diff persona...some kid from the state of Michigan
Advantage would definitely be to Botto if he could come up with a thoughtful response to the question of why Greg Lemond is waxing and waning about doping in cycling if the only ones doing it are self righteous newbies. He has called Lemond a self righteous newbie. Why?
And you like name calling too? It does have a certain appeal to the elementary crowd. As I stated before, there is a not so subtle difference between stating the obvious truth and calling names. But, oh, never mind.:D
Is that really the best you can do? So sad.
Wait...if the cycling media is the authority and I've been published in velonews and have a few features in the line for cyclingnews does that make me like...god?
Wait...if the cycling media is the authority and I've been published in velonews and have a few features in the line for cyclingnews does that make me like...god?
according to at least one of the posters in this thread, yes. ;)
El Diablo Rojo
07-05-07, 04:22 PM
My guess is that by Sunday evening the talk around here will be less about the doping and more about the Tour.
Bullseye
07-05-07, 04:23 PM
I agree with botto as well.
One of the things I enjoy most about cycling is that I can watch the pros and have a pretty good idea of what they're going through, since I am a cyclist as well. The sport itself is a terrific one, and there's no need for us to interest ourselves in the latest drug gossip. It is unimportant to my love of the sport. Let the UCI sort it out.
If your main interest in cycling "who's doping," perhaps you should go find another hobby.
-Bullseye
Who's going to win the Tour. Duh. :rolleyes:
Incorrect.
It's who's going to win the Georgia State Games RR and Crit in cat5 and 3 this weekend. Duh.
That is the most important issue in racing right now. :rolleyes:
(a buddy of mine and I leave for Kennesaw tomorrow ;) )
Bicycle racing has people who dope. It's a fact of life. Accept it and move on.
There was a guy who grew a full beard over the course of my last road race. I think it might have been Tammy Thomas.
hiromian
07-05-07, 04:40 PM
Judging from your posts, I know it's difficult for you to put together a complete sentence, let alone a paragraph, but tell us, Botto; Greg Lemond is waxing and waning quite vociferously almost daily about doping in cycling. Do you consider him a self righteous newbie, and why?
edited to add: I know it's a tough question. I wouldn't blame you for not answering. Lots of big words to spell and all.
Nope. He can write rather well: from what I've seen, better than me.
Moving on from the doping off season carrer wrecking news has been easy. Who is in line for this years TDF?
donrhummy
07-05-07, 04:55 PM
While I don't want doping to be the only thing discussed here it IS and HAS BEEN a big part of professional road racing since the beginning of the tour de france. It was a big deal even in the days of Eddy Merckx (who failed two drug tests btw). I see no reason why you can't just ignore threads on doping. Think of it this way:
* You're sitting at the train station and to your right two people are discussing doping in sports, what do you do? That's right, YOU DON'T JOIN IN THE CONVERSATION.
patentcad
07-05-07, 05:00 PM
The Wisdom of botto is inspiring and depressing at the same time.
Ghostman
07-05-07, 05:06 PM
I must politely disagree with Botto.
I don't like any of these threads (or suggestions) that certain topics don't belong in the forum and should be moved. That approach has often been used against you Botto and it always pisses me off.
If someone (like you, for example) doesn't want to read or talk about doping, don't read those threads. It is easy enough to see which ones they are and there are still plenty of other topics, like whether Joe Anonymous F**kwad finished top ten in a "C" training crit (one of my threads from a month or so ago) or whatever.
Also, the idea that doping is a "media" plot or that other sports are equally guilty as cycling but they just don't do anything about it: Nonsense, unfortunately.
Other sports certainly have lots of dopers, but by the very nature of cycling (in which the pure physical fitness aspect is a higher percentage of the determining factor than in other sports) doping is more prevalent.
patentcad
07-05-07, 05:29 PM
You should never disagree politely with botto. Be rude, abrasive and confrontational. He wouldn't want it any other way.
By the way, doping RULES.
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