Bek, you bring more personal vendetta to BFs than any other poster.

CBHI, been able to hit 29 MPH in a sprint on your bike yet? just kidding...

oh, oh, today.....at the tail end of my 115 miles, I rode THE WRONG WAY DOWN A ONE WAY STREET! (thru the pike place market) AND DODGED A FEW CARS AND PEDESTRIANS!

oh, the horrors!! :roflmao:

You really do think that cycling stupid is some badge of honor, that you get to brag about to the 12 year old friends.
Seems my previous post applies quite well to your last post!

:roflmao: hilarious.

have fun, bitter boy.

was it nighttime?

joejack, some riders got the juice, and some are convinced they need to get stuck in traffic under the 'same roads same rules' edicts.

are you a 'get stuck in traffic' kind of bicyclist?

It's a hypothetical Bek. What if it was nighttime? According to you, anything goes as long as you are situationally aware, right? Bicycles don't usually come with lights so unlit nighttime riding must be cyclicular cycling, right?

To answer your question, I do not consider 4-5 stopped vehicles (50 feet of traffic per the OP) to be "stuck in traffic" so I would have no problems waiting for those vehicles to clear the intersection to make my turn. I might filter forward if the backup was long enough but you certainly wouldn't ever find me riding down the wrong side of the road on a multilane arterial, then switching to the centerline, and finally right hooking 3 lanes worth of vehicles.

"anything goes" was a recently contrived vc catchphrase of your idol in this forum, the one that "taught you a lot" about how to ride a bike.

you probably wouldn't find me riding like the cyclist mentioned by the OP either...unless conditions dictated it! :lol:

"anything goes" was a recently contrived vc catchphrase of your idol in this forum, the one that "taught you a lot" about how to ride a bike.

You have quite the selective memory, Bek. You somehow manage to retain "anything goes" and somehow forget that little bit about the rules of the road, which certainly do not ever include or imply that it's allowable to ride the wrong way down a 7 lane road in the far right lane.

yes, it's more adaptive bicycling to ride messenger style to advance on lines of stopped traffic. but remember, safety first!

foresterite vehicularists prefer the 'get stuck in traffic' dilemma for all the vehicularity it provides :lol:

yes, it's more adaptive bicycling to ride messenger style to advance on lines of stopped traffic. but remember, safety first!

foresterite vehicularists prefer the 'get stuck in traffic' dilemma for all the vehicularity it provides :lol:

So how does one safely navigate an intersection on a bike going the wrong way down a 7 lane road?

In Bek's imagination, someone who opposes bike lanes gets stuck in traffic all the time and never takes advantange of their narrow profile. Also in Bek's imagination, bike lanes get you everywhere faster, and without having to deal with that pesky traffic.

So how does one safely navigate an intersection on a bike going the wrong way down a 7 lane road?

I don't think the cyclist was hit, was he (or she)? If you understand the traffic patterns, I'd imagine that this manuever can be made with only a small extra amount of risk. I mean, we do it all the time (cross in front of traffic going the wrong way with relation to the cars coming at us) in a car and a bike when we make an ordinary midblock left turn. At an intersection, this might even be easier since the traffic is more uniformely timed because of the lights and the fact that everyone starts from a stopped position.

In Bek's imagination, someone who opposes bike lanes gets stuck in traffic all the time and never takes advantange of their narrow profile. Also in Bek's imagination, bike lanes get you everywhere faster, and without having to deal with that pesky traffic.

You've never been in dense traffic before, have you; Seattle traffic that is? There is, at times, literally no where to go, except onto the sidewalk if a bike lane isn't present. Bike lanes do, in this way, make you proceed faster than a road without bike lanes. And a road with WOLs? In a traffic jam, many times cars will not line up because each driver wants to see past the car in front, so they will stagger if they are allowed to. So, again, a bike lane helps a cyclist move past the jam - cars are lined up uniformally, and one can take to the right edge of the bike lane and move past at a steady speed (not full speed necessarily, but faster than picking your way around staggered cars in a WOL) and avoid the door zone to the right of the stopped cars. In Seattle (and parts of the greater Portland metro area) this can be a big deal, shaving 10 or more off a 10 mile commute.

There's a reason why, in a bike lane, it is referred to as "passing on the right" while in a WOL, it is called "filtering". They are not the same thing, and passing can be done faster, safer, and more efficiently than filtering.

I really hate the way they will stagger up in traffic jams. They often will pull into the bike lane, too. That really bugs me. I have tried blaring my air horn to no avail. The only thing that works to get them out of the way is to touch their car with my hand. Oooh. People hate it when you touch their precious cars. But I hate it when they park in the middle of my road.

Hey bek, let's just fuggedaboutit. this thread has outlived any usefulness as far as the OP is concerned. :)

Oooh. People hate it when you touch their precious cars.
You're not kidding. Once I started (on foot, a ped) across an intersection of one-way roads with a fast-moving turn lane that bordered the sidewalk. So as I stepped into the crosswalk on signal, a driver curled around fast in front of me so close I could reach out and touch the car. So I did. "Ponk!" with my knuckle, to send a message.

She got the message (yes, women have road-rage syndrome, too. :p) She whipped it around and went the wrong way on the one-way street to come back and talk to me (I had made it across, by now.)

"Did you just hit my car?"

"I think you almost hit me."

"yakayakayakayakakakakay!&*#(@#*&"

"You need to go back and learn to drive."

"&#*(#R(*_@"

I went my way.

:D

I don't think the cyclist was hit, was he (or she)? If you understand the traffic patterns, I'd imagine that this manuever can be made with only a small extra amount of risk. I mean, we do it all the time (cross in front of traffic going the wrong way with relation to the cars coming at us) in a car and a bike when we make an ordinary midblock left turn. At an intersection, this might even be easier since the traffic is more uniformely timed because of the lights and the fact that everyone starts from a stopped position.

His turning manuever probably wasn't the only intersection that he negotiated coming from the wrong direction. I doubt the cyclist switched from the far right side of a 7 lane road to the far left side when he knew he had a right turn to make soon.

Once the cyclist actually completed turning right into front of all the stopped traffic, he was in a reasonable position for someone crossing an intersection on a bike. The manuevers to get to that point definitely put him in a position where he would have to assume that no one could see him, which is quite a dangerous position to put one's self in considering we don't have eyes all around our heads.

You've never been in dense traffic before, have you; Seattle traffic that is? There is, at times, literally no where to go, except onto the sidewalk if a bike lane isn't present. Bike lanes do, in this way, make you proceed faster than a road without bike lanes. And a road with WOLs? In a traffic jam, many times cars will not line up because each driver wants to see past the car in front, so they will stagger if they are allowed to. So, again, a bike lane helps a cyclist move past the jam - cars are lined up uniformally, and one can take to the right edge of the bike lane and move past at a steady speed (not full speed necessarily, but faster than picking your way around staggered cars in a WOL) and avoid the door zone to the right of the stopped cars. In Seattle (and parts of the greater Portland metro area) this can be a big deal, shaving 10 or more off a 10 mile commute.

There's a reason why, in a bike lane, it is referred to as "passing on the right" while in a WOL, it is called "filtering". They are not the same thing, and passing can be done faster, safer, and more efficiently than filtering.

I have never cycled in Seattle, but I've cycled in plenty of dense traffic around Philly, West Chester, Wilmington, and points in between. In the urban situations where I've encountered dense traffic, a bike lane to the right of traffic would be my last choice for passing vehicles as it would put me off to the right of potential right turners very frequently due to the intersection count. The reality was that the roads I've used had WOL's and I had plenty of room to pass on the left either near the centerline or in between lanes when applicable. There was probably a little room on the right too but I avoided it for obvious reasons.

I fail to see how a 7 foot wide vehicle can block a narrow cyclist from getting by on a road that has pavement wide enough for both a bike lane and a traffic lane (~14 feet at least, right?) but without the stripe. You might have to slow down a bit to get around a few vehicles who are scattered compared to the rest but you can get by. Any slight staggering would hardly be an impediment and, for me, is actually a good thing as it indicates potential turning vehicles who you'd want to be extra careful around near intersections.

His turning manuever probably wasn't...... I doubt the cyclist......


put him in a position where he would have to assume that no one could see him.....

yeah, yeah, you know best, joe. :rolleyes: you are the end all, be all scribe on how to ride a bike.


but operating a bike as if no one can see you is good defensive bicycling, isn't it?



I fail to see how a 7 foot wide vehicle can block a narrow cyclist from getting by on a road that has pavement wide enough for both a bike lane and a traffic lane (~14 feet at least, right?) but without the stripe.

Never had to do the traffic weave in stopped traffic yet, eh? interesting......

Can't let it go, eh? :(

yeah, yeah, you know best, joe. :rolleyes: you are the end all, be all scribe on how to ride a bike.


but operating a bike as if no one can see you is good defensive bicycling, isn't it?

Operating a bike as if no one can see you is a ridiculous activity to take part in. It would be next to impossible to use the roads as they were designed to be used if you truly believed no one could see you. Only the adaptive cycling contigent seems to profess much faith in that method.


Never had to do the traffic weave in stopped traffic yet, eh? interesting......

Where did I say that?

:lol: sorry, this thread is funny.

:lol: sorry, this thread is funny.
Why sorry?

Laughter is good for you. :)

yeah, yeah, you know best, joe. :rolleyes: you are the end all, be all scribe on how to ride a bike.


but operating a bike as if no one can see you is good defensive bicycling, isn't it?





Never had to do the traffic weave in stopped traffic yet, eh? interesting......

It would seem so to me! Not "Not seeing you" literally, but operating on the assumption that you may have to yield or evade as the situation demands does seem reasonable and prudent to me, after all, I'm not going to defend my right of way to the death!:eek::D

#1. Beer does not equal "firewater." Google is your friend on that subject.

#2. Even if I had taken a pic of "firewater," that does not make me a hypocrite just because I commented on your apparent drunken impairment while posting after midnight.


:lol:

There is a river in Egypt...

With an artistic gift like yours, don't you have anything better to do than to make up stories?

No denial here chief.
Right.

You should be more careful what you put out on the internet. You still have time to delete those panty-pics.

More evasion and nonsensical posting. I'm not surprised.

I'm glad you liked the halloween pic Chief Wahoo.
My advice: stick to what you are good at.

:)

Ok, I'll follow your advice. Among other things, I'll stick to pointing out the critical thinking challenges that you face.
If you consider that your gift.

I don't have to consider pointing out your critical thinking challenges to be a "gift" in order to point them out you silly redskin.
You have succeeeded in lifting BikeForums to a new height of excellence.

I will bow out of your deep-thinking banter, now.

'avagoodweegend.

:D

(Oh, by the way, I don't have a single drop of Native American blood in me. Confused, yet?)

I'll let you have the last word. Go at it, Tiger. (Don't forget your timeless contribution to humanity, sted. :) )

Nope, not confused at all. Your racial profile has nothing to do with my redskin comments, chief.

Take a look at your avatar sometime you poor sap and maybe, just maybe, you'll catch a clue.
Still seeking negative attention?

hey hey hey now! lets leave all this bad blood and bickering to the uptight cagers eh? :D

hey hey hey now! lets leave all this bad blood and bickering to the uptight cagers eh? :D
:lol:

gotta point, Bushman.

:beer:

(hard to leave a heckler alone, tho. :D )

wasn't this thread about a bicyclist that knew how to ride a bike like a banshee, effectively transiting crowded roadway space in an effective, albiet possibly illegal traffic dance?

who cares how off his rocker little big man is. however, my opinion is that he's full of it. he pretends theres only polite drivers in atlanta, that all respect cyclists while taking the the lane. pure fantasy.

wasn't this thread about a bicyclist that knew how to ride a bike like a banshee, effectively transiting crowded roadway space in an effective, albiet possibly illegal traffic dance?

who cares how off his rocker little big man is. however, my opinion is that he's full of it. he pretends theres only polite drivers in atlanta, that all respect cyclists while taking the the lane. pure fantasy.

:roflmao:

wasn't this thread about a bicyclist that knew how to ride a bike like a banshee, effectively transiting crowded roadway space in an effective, albiet possibly illegal traffic dance?

who cares how off his rocker little big man is. however, my opinion is that he's full of it. he pretends theres only polite drivers in atlanta, that all respect cyclists while taking the the lane. pure fantasy.
:D

The fantasy is that you are an expert on cycling in a place you've never been to.

I've ridden here for many years, happy as a clam. I guess your political agenda has you believing your own stories, now.

I guess it doesn't matter. Go ahead with your political speeches. I'll just keep enjoying riding where I live.

(When you graduate to a 3-piece suited politician, just remember the little guy, ok?) ;)

I'm not purporting to be an expert on atlanta bicycling, little big man. however, your city has won alludes as one of the worst american cities for bicycling.

I DO refuse to believe that cyclists are immune from american road rage in a major city like atlanta. I am positive you are sugar coating the bicycling conditions there.

Heck, I went for a walk in Atlanta. Pedestrians are not immune to American road rage in a major city like Atlanta.

maybe lbm's route is trouble-free. mine almost is. but I don't think it's that way all over the city.

I'm not purporting to be an expert on atlanta bicycling, little big man. however, your city has won alludes as one of the worst american cities for bicycling.

How was that rating determined? By number of bike lane miles? By all the non-cyclists who say that the roads look scary because you have to ride a bike in the same lane as motorists? How does any of that have any bearing on whether or not Atlanta is a good city for cycling as judged by an actual cyclist who doesn't believe the bike lane hype?

maybe lbm's route is trouble-free. mine almost is. but I don't think it's that way all over the city.
I heard that. But I doubt the politicians on BS A&F will pay attention.

After all, it sounds too much like the truth.

:p

Heck, I went for a walk in Atlanta. Pedestrians are not immune to American road rage in a major city like Atlanta.
Hello.

I have walked regularly as a "commuter" in Atlanta for about 20 years (including bicycling.) That does not include my high-school years and following, which amounts to 30+ years.

My dad walked before me, too, and rode his bike also in Atlanta in the 1970's and 1980's.

He never drove to work (well, I suspect it's possible he did a few times in 20 years, but I don't remember it.) I don't drive to work, either.

How many miles did you say you walked in "Atlanta?"

But let's hear it from the self-proclaimed "expert," Bekologist, who has read Bicycling magazing extensively (how long was that article, 3 half-sized pages?. Did you remember to look at the cute advertisements?)

But LBM, don't forget, Bek consistently sprints at 29 mph; so we are not allowed to question his claims!:lol:

I also only saw cyclists on Sunday morning in Atlanta, except for one brave sole on a Friday afternoon.

I also only saw cyclists on Sunday morning in Atlanta, except for one brave sole on a Friday afternoon.
An expert bird-watcher, you're not.

How many hours have you spent in "Atlanta," dear critic? I'm sure you've been here more than once, more than one week, total.

Oh, I'm sorry. I shouldn't critcise an expert.

Your observations are far more accurate than my 30 years experience. (But then, you're honest, and I'm not, as Beck says.)

Please name one time I criticised Portland or Santa Barbara's bicycling infrustructure.

Methinks Atlanta is a wonderful place for you two to mythologize.

Peaceout.