So, on yesterday's ride, I was horrified, embarrassed, humiliated, and ultimately self-conscious because my wheels were 'speaking' to Grumpy Pig and Chucklehead.
Why did they choose today, of all days, to become attention whoores? I didn't want them to speak up. I tried wishing them silent, to no avail. Until, finally, I ostracized myself from the peloton on a long downhill, so as not to audibly pollute the serene placiditity.
So..my wheels ping and pop, and make weird noises when I climb, and the hub pawls click in a bizarre syncopation.
However, I've put probably 1700 miles on them since brand new, and never had them trued. Maybe I should do that. Or maybe Pedro's has a new citrus-based spoke grease that I could buy. Who knows?
Anybody know a decent SD wheel truer? They're Bontrager Race X Lite's...bought from Trek, so I could probably take them there...but I always seem to go at 11 am on a Wednesday...when they don't open until 12 because of some cult-esque group ride.
So, Frank and Jason, thanks for the disorder. I appreciate it.
/case of the mondays.
Chucklehead
07-09-07, 10:01 AM
poor guy. something made me forget to mention yesterday that the last time i heard those noises coming from one of my wheels, it meant spoke breakage was coming a few days later. if i had it to do all over again, i probably woulda taken them to chuck at pacific coast cycles to have them tensioned/trued. as it is now, those wheels are sitting/hanging in pieces in various locations around the room and garage.
Grumpy had a set of wheels built there. Very cool guy runs the shop.
Chucklehead
07-09-07, 10:02 AM
jinx. you owe me a coke.
Mo'Phat
07-09-07, 10:05 AM
poor guy. something made me forget to mention yesterday that the last time i heard those noises coming from one of my wheels, it meant spoke breakage was coming a few days later. if i had it to do all over again, i probably woulda taken them to chuck at pacific coast cycles to have them tensioned/trued. as it is now, those wheels are sitting/hanging in pieces in various locations around the room and garage.
:eek:
Gee...I appreciate that information NOW, and not right before the 45 mph descent of Highland Valley Road. jerk. ;)
I'd say that the pinging has been going on for about 1200 miles...but it was really noticeable yesterday...probably 'cause I didn't have my music going.
Grumpy had a set of wheels built there. Very cool guy runs the shop.
But that's far. I want convenient. I have three or four choices by my work, and one is the obvious choice, but will probably be expensive.
Performance Kearney Mesa - Really don't trust them with wheel truing.
Trek Kearney Mesay - Ditto...even though they're their wheels.
Black Mountain Cyclery - Never been to them for mechanical work
Hi-Tech Bikes - would probably true my wheels, then charge $896 for the job...and laugh at my Brooks saddle and Leader frame.
1955
07-09-07, 10:23 AM
Hi-Tech Bikes - would probably true my wheels, then charge $896 for the job...and laugh at my Brooks saddle and Leader frame.
Funny, that's why I don't go to Santiago Cycling in Tustin, except they'd charge me the $896 and then not true the wheels.
jsigone
07-09-07, 10:25 AM
I have a turing stand at home you can use if you would like to attempt to do it yourself
Mo'Phat
07-09-07, 10:30 AM
It's not that they're out-of-true. They roll straight...they just talk to me too damn much. Also, they're crazy bladed spokes and I don't know how to true them anyway. If they were normal spokes with spoke nipples, I'm sure I could mess them up perfectly fine on your trueing stand.
Mo'Phat
07-09-07, 10:31 AM
Funny, that's why I don't go to Santiago Cycling in Tustin, except they'd charge me the $896 and then not true the wheels.
Well, that's Tustin for you.
1955
07-09-07, 10:33 AM
Well, that's Tustin for you.
Maybe I shouldn't have walked into a Trek shop with my Specialized...:rolleyes:
jsigone
07-09-07, 11:16 AM
It's not that they're out-of-true. They roll straight...they just talk to me too damn much. Also, they're crazy bladed spokes and I don't know how to true them anyway. If they were normal spokes with spoke nipples, I'm sure I could mess them up perfectly fine on your trueing stand.
go rent a wind tunnel and see which spoke is off center:D
Grumpy Pig
07-09-07, 01:09 PM
It's not that they're out-of-true. They roll straight...they just talk to me too damn much. Also, they're crazy bladed spokes and I don't know how to true them anyway. If they were normal spokes with spoke nipples, I'm sure I could mess them up perfectly fine on your trueing stand.Don't let this get out but I watched Chuck true my old wheels with blades spokes and he used...a pair of pliers to hold the spoke.
Mo'Phat
07-09-07, 01:11 PM
Don't let this get out but I watched Chuck true my old wheels with blades spokes and he used...a pair of pliers to hold the spoke.
Your secret is safe...with the few people that have access to the Internet.
Chuck from the lauded Pacific Cycles? ...are you not supposed to use pliers on spokes? Are dykes preferred? Maybe a pair of dykes?
DaveSANYYZ
07-09-07, 01:28 PM
Trek Kearny Mesa built a wheel for me. I've only used it on a 30 miles ride so far, so can't speak of durability; and I know nothing about wheel building so I can't gauge the goodness factor. It seems true to me though.
If you want to bring it to Trek KM and wanted to see a sample, let me know.
MarkAJ
07-09-07, 01:42 PM
poor guy. something made me forget to mention yesterday that the last time i heard those noises coming from one of my wheels, it meant spoke breakage was coming a few days later. if i had it to do all over again, i probably woulda taken them to chuck at pacific coast cycles to have them tensioned/trued. as it is now, those wheels are sitting/hanging in pieces in various locations around the room and garage.
Mo’Phat I would heed Chucklehead’s advice. When my Bontrager made this noise the spokes where pulling out and cracking at the wheel. Cracks all over. Bontrager replaced it but I have never used these wheels again. They hang in the garage.
Mo'Phat
07-09-07, 01:58 PM
Are the cracks visible? I never really thought they'd be cracking or anything that disastrous. I'll take a magnifying glass to the rims this afternoon, and if it looks like something is about to go really bad, I'll take them to Trek for a replacement set/wall decoration.
Hmm...how to parlay this into a new wheelset?
DannoXYZ
07-09-07, 02:03 PM
Sounds like the spokes are way too loose, or there are cracks in the rim causing a loss of tension. Sure it's not the handlebar & stem that's creaking? I had a seatpost that would make noise when I was out of the saddle and I thought for the longest time that it was my rear-wheel.
herbm
07-09-07, 02:06 PM
Are the cracks visible? I never really thought they'd be cracking or anything that disastrous. I'll take a magnifying glass to the rims this afternoon, and if it looks like something is about to go really bad, I'll take them to Trek for a replacement set/wall decoration.
Hmm...how to parlay this into a new wheelset?
They were extremely visible...we both had similar cracks in our Bontragers.. they were Selects so a much cheaper wheel, but I cracked 2 and mark cracked one....
http://www.meyerowitz.net/bad%20trek%20wheels/index.html
DaveSANYYZ
07-09-07, 02:07 PM
BTW, don't the Trek's have a 5-yr warranty?
They also sell Eastons and Zipps; don't know if they'll let you exchange for them though.
Mo'Phat
07-09-07, 02:07 PM
Definitely not the handlebars/stem/seatpost. I've got my tinnitus-plagued ears, plus the canine-like ears of Chucklehead and Grumpy Pig who witnessed my embarrassing spokal flatus.
herbm
07-09-07, 02:09 PM
Definitely not the handlebars/stem/seatpost. I've got my tinnitus-plagued ears, plus the canine-like ears of Chucklehead and Grumpy Pig who witnessed my embarrassing spokal flatus.
Maybe...you were going so fast it was air friction noise!!
ovoleg
07-09-07, 02:09 PM
So, on yesterday's ride, I was horrified, embarrassed, humiliated, and ultimately self-conscious because my wheels were 'speaking' to Grumpy Pig and Chucklehead.
Why did they choose today, of all days, to become attention whoores? I didn't want them to speak up. I tried wishing them silent, to no avail. Until, finally, I ostracized myself from the peloton on a long downhill, so as not to audibly pollute the serene placiditity.
So..my wheels ping and pop, and make weird noises when I climb, and the hub pawls click in a bizarre syncopation.
However, I've put probably 1700 miles on them since brand new, and never had them trued. Maybe I should do that. Or maybe Pedro's has a new citrus-based spoke grease that I could buy. Who knows?
Anybody know a decent SD wheel truer? They're Bontrager Race X Lite's...bought from Trek, so I could probably take them there...but I always seem to go at 11 am on a Wednesday...when they don't open until 12 because of some cult-esque group ride.
So, Frank and Jason, thanks for the disorder. I appreciate it.
/case of the mondays.
lots of big words but you misspelled *****s
GG
Mo'Phat
07-09-07, 02:10 PM
They were extremely visible...we both had similar cracks in our Bontragers.. they were Selects so a much cheaper wheel, but I cracked 2 and mark cracked one....
http://www.meyerowitz.net/bad%20trek%20wheels/index.html
:eek: I remember that now. I just changed tires on Saturday, and would have noticed anything like that...but I have aero hubs so the nipples, and the sub-rim they tension are only visible if you take off the rim tape...which I didn't do.
Sounds like the best bet is to take them to Trek for a re-tensioning, and if there's structural damage, let them discover/correct it.
Mo'Phat
07-09-07, 02:11 PM
lots of big words but you misspelled *****s
GG
Entirely intentional to avoid the censor. Which I'm not supposed to do, but *****s didn't convey the emotion.
herbm
07-09-07, 02:11 PM
:eek: I remember that now. I just changed tires on Saturday, and would have noticed anything like that...but I have aero hubs so the nipples, and the sub-rim they tension are only visible if you take off the rim tape...which I didn't do.
Sounds like the best bet is to take them to Trek for a re-tensioning, and if there's structural damage, let them discover/correct it.
Definitely....dont take any chances...
ovoleg
07-09-07, 02:15 PM
Your wheels are better than mine, stop complaining noob.
wh0res is much more appropriate then :), don't be n00b, get around the n00b filter
Mo'Phat
07-09-07, 02:20 PM
Wh0rz
Thank you for pedantic ways, Ovoleg.
ovoleg
07-09-07, 02:22 PM
Wh0rz
Thank you for pedantic ways, Ovoleg.
np and I wont bother looking up pedantic in the dictionary if you were wondering.
Mo'Phat
07-09-07, 02:30 PM
It's a tremendous word. On par with colloquialism.
socalslowguy
07-09-07, 02:31 PM
Not the same wheelset, but I have an Open Pro rear wheel that made squeaking and creaking noises during climbs. Putting a few drops of Tri-flow oil at every spoke hole on the rim eliminated the noise.
ovoleg
07-09-07, 02:41 PM
It's a tremendous word. On par with colloquialism.
speak English you liberal
Mo'Phat
07-09-07, 02:46 PM
Not the same wheelset, but I have an Open Pro rear wheel that made squeaking and creaking noises during climbs. Putting a few drops of Tri-flow oil at every spoke hole on the rim eliminated the noise.
Thanks for the tip...but that's work. And my mantra is, Why do yourself what you can pay someone else to do (and be responsible/accountable for)?
If I take them to be tensioned/trued, and they're given the A-OK by Trek, and they still ping, then I'll have Ovoleg lube them up.
ovoleg
07-09-07, 02:59 PM
I'll have to take the wheels home for 6mo-2years to be able to inspect them correctly. Drop them off now Mo'dizzle
Dubbayoo
07-09-07, 03:01 PM
My wheels are dead silent when I climb.....I make up for it by gasping, cussing, crying, wheezing, coughing up 2-3 lungs and ruing the day bicycles and hills were invented/created.
Indolent58
07-09-07, 03:07 PM
My wheels are dead silent when I climb.....I make up for it by gasping, cussing, crying, wheezing, coughing up 2-3 lungs and ruing the day bicycles and hills were invented/created.
A couple drops, or three, or more of this ought to take care of those sounds.
Why do assume that's a homeless bum? That fingerless glove is a well worn cycling glove belonging to a famous ultradistance cyclist. The picture was taken during the Iditarod Trail Invitational. He said that Everclear was the secret of his success.
Grumpy Pig
07-09-07, 03:30 PM
why is a homeless bum holding that bottle?
Is that you??
Here's a picture of Indolent58 on the last BF ride.
ovoleg
07-09-07, 03:53 PM
Here's a picture of Indolent58 on the last BF ride.
LOLMAO
Indolent58
07-09-07, 04:18 PM
Here's a picture of Indolent58 on the last BF ride.
I call BS. That's not me. I pull my shopping cart with my right hand.
ggg300
07-09-07, 04:20 PM
tension...spokes will die soon...if they die on the drive side of the rear wheel, it will never be the same...
Dubbayoo
07-09-07, 05:07 PM
Why do assume that's a homeless bum? That fingerless glove is a well worn cycling glove belonging to a famous ultradistance cyclist. The picture was taken during the Iditarod Trail Invitational. He said that Everclear was the secret of his success.
well.....Everclear would certainly explain why he's using fingerless gloves in Iditarod.
markw
07-09-07, 06:40 PM
It's not that they're out-of-true. They roll straight...they just talk to me too damn much. Also, they're crazy bladed spokes and I don't know how to true them anyway. If they were normal spokes with spoke nipples, I'm sure I could mess them up perfectly fine on your trueing stand.
You in clairmont or something? There's "Big Ring Cyclery" across from the La Mesa Performance. Personally I just bought all the tools to do it with, but I learned long ago how to true/build wheels from my destructive BMX/Freestyle ramp riding days.
markw
07-09-07, 06:42 PM
Not the same wheelset, but I have an Open Pro rear wheel that made squeaking and creaking noises during climbs. Putting a few drops of Tri-flow oil at every spoke hole on the rim eliminated the noise.
The reason I won't do another set. :) I prefer the quiet Velocity's now.
Mo'Phat
07-10-07, 06:52 AM
You in clairmont or something? There's "Big Ring Cyclery" across from the La Mesa Performance. Personally I just bought all the tools to do it with, but I learned long ago how to true/build wheels from my destructive BMX/Freestyle ramp riding days.
I hear you...and if my wheels were at all traditional (round spokes, exposed nipples...y'know, trueable) I would do it myself. But these are minimal spoke count bladed spokes with an odd tensioning system, and I could easily see myself dorking them up.
Thanks for the Big Ring tip.
tprevost
07-10-07, 07:52 AM
They were extremely visible...we both had similar cracks in our Bontragers.. they were Selects so a much cheaper wheel, but I cracked 2 and mark cracked one....
http://www.meyerowitz.net/bad%20trek%20wheels/index.html
Wow Herb... I remember when that happened but I never saw the pics... that's pretty scary :eek:
Seamus
07-10-07, 12:35 PM
It's a tremendous word. On par with colloquialism.
I've always been fond of magniloquence.
Jim
Mo'Phat
07-10-07, 12:43 PM
Flattery, will get you everywhere, Seamus. ;)
Mo'Phat
07-10-07, 05:00 PM
...I just took 'em to Trek. Thanks for the advice everybody. I didn't notice any spokes pulling out of the rims, so I'll cross my fingers that that flaw was isolated to the Select series.