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pm124
07-09-07, 07:30 PM
Please write your legislator indicating that you are in favor of congestion pricing. The law is coming down to the wire. If it is not passed on Monday, it will not likely happen at all. You can write your legislator at: http://assembly.state.ny.us/mem/

markhr
07-09-07, 08:24 PM
Please write your legislator indicating that you are in favor of congestion pricing. The law is coming down to the wire. If it is not passed on Monday, it will not likely happen at all. You can write your legislator at: http://assembly.state.ny.us/mem/

As a Londoner it's definitely worth doing all you can to support this. It increased investment in and awareness of public transport, cycling, cycling advocacy and facilities.

In places where this was put to the public vote (Edinburgh, Manchester - I think) it was voted down inspite of grid locked traffic. Basically, get writing - every vote counts especially with NY so apparently anti-cycling. That is, judging by some of the stuff posted on these forums and youtube (Not including CM retar...).

maddyfish
07-10-07, 07:41 AM
That peice of legislation is a dead duck.

pm124
07-11-07, 08:50 AM
That peice of legislation is a dead duck.

I'm curious, why are you such a proponent of cars?

maddyfish
07-11-07, 09:30 AM
I'm not,but any elected official who votes for that knows that his opponents will rethlessly use it against him in his next election.

nycphotography
07-12-07, 04:31 PM
Please write your legislator indicating that you are in favor of congestion pricing. The law is coming down to the wire. If it is not passed on Monday, it will not likely happen at all. You can write your legislator at: http://assembly.state.ny.us/mem/
I never understood how idling in line for 30 minutes to pay a stupid toll reduced congestion. That IS congestion. Iherefore, I'm not in favor of congestion pricing, because it's not the right solution to the problem of congestion and safety.

I AM in favor of "ZERO TOLERANCE POLICING" for gridlock causing, congestion causing, and life threatening driving.

ZERO TOLERANCE means that any officer that observes any of the offenses is REQUIRED to take action unless currently on an emergency call. Failure to take action is a breach of duty, constitutes a crime, and if caught on film, results in mandatory harsh penalties.

Congestion offenses (No diplomatic immunity):

Double parking. Fine: $1000 first offense. $2000 second offense. $5000 each additional offense.

Passing line of waiting cars and then cutting in: $2000 first offense. $5000 second offense. $10000 each additional offense.

Blocking Intersection: $1000 first offense. $2000 second offense. $5000 each additional offense.


Why are my fines so outrageously high? Because these three are basically selfish *****hat offenses that everyone knows full well are illegal, but they choose to do them anyhow.

geo8rge
07-12-07, 05:32 PM
What are the arguments against it?

jabsin
07-12-07, 05:34 PM
You've got to be kidding me

Mr. Underbridge
07-13-07, 08:27 AM
I never understood how idling in line for 30 minutes to pay a stupid toll reduced congestion. That IS congestion.

If you place the toll high enough, that effect is outweighed by the deterrent that the toll causes. Which, I think, is the idea here.

nycphotography
07-13-07, 09:46 AM
If you place the toll high enough, that effect is outweighed by the deterrent that the toll causes. Which, I think, is the idea here.

If that's your goal, then a $4/gal gas tax would be far more effective, and not ADD to the congestion is supposed to be reducing.

Gack I hate politics. Crawling back under my rock now.

markhr
07-13-07, 10:23 AM
If that's your goal, then a $4/gal gas tax would be far more effective, and not ADD to the congestion is supposed to be reducing....

It doesn't work that way - even in the UK with prices approaching or exceeding USD10.00 per gallon people still prefer to drive. USD30.00+ on parking for a day, gridlocked traffic and expensive fuel had very little effect. The only way to get drivers out of their cars, at least in London, was to raise the congestion charge to USD20.00+ for each they drove in.

Basically, a high punitive charge that had no benefit to the driver and was invested in new public transport infrastructure. Even now the charge is reviewed and increased annually (I think - anyone who's read TfL's website properly might know different) as people decide that the charge isn't that high and some start driving again.

Hobartlemagne
07-13-07, 10:36 AM
Just close all the bridges. If people really want to go to NYC, they'll find a way.

maddyfish
07-13-07, 10:36 AM
Passing line of waiting cars and then cutting in: $2000 first offense. $5000 second offense. $10000 each additional offense.

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How does this reduce congestion? Seems to me using all the available lanes redueces congestion. Instead of sitting at the end of a long line, while alot of pavement goes unused.