Professional Cycling For the Fans - Wonder if Vino doped for this win?

Nothing to loose now. Just get stage wins. Let load up on some testy!

anyone agree?

Maybe not, then again.

He took a vacation the day before... and probably could win that stage the way he did, as clean as usual. TdF has some big penalties this year if you get caught doping, so he would have plenty to lose.

Congratulations.

You've just created the most asinine thread of the day.

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hey!! He was burnt toast yesterday! Just was thinkin outloud! :D He has
HEART! A burning desire and is a superb leader of Astana. He is the man and truly gave the middle finger to the rest of the field! I guess I just wanted to stir the stinky stuff. eheh

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hey!! He was burnt toast yesterday! Just was thinkin outloud! :D

No, just failing to think outloud. When Jan totally cracked aginst Pantani he lost less than 10 minutes. No way Vino cracked enough to lose 20. He cracked enough to lose 3 (when he really could not afford to lose 10 seconds) and then decided GC hopes are gone so ride like someone without GC hopes. That means just going fast enough to be sure of not being eleminated on time and see what he can do tomorrow.

I really doubt a rider is going to dope any more or any less based on such things as this. For a rider of his ability, it made sense to just take it so easily that day, and not too surprising the change today. He's doped as much as he usually is, however much that is. Relative risk doesn't matter if they can't get caught anyway... this is why riders still doped in 1998, 1999, and they still are in 2007.

I was thinking about this today... the situation is similar to what happened to Floyd last year (loose a ton of time on one hard mountain stage, come back to win the next one), but it seems that Vino is liked enough (and out of the GC enough) for nobody to care....

Ugh, there's just one "o" in lose and losing,

I was thinking about this today... the situation is similar to what happened to Floyd last year (loose a ton of time on one hard mountain stage, come back to win the next one), but it seems that Vino is liked enough (and out of the GC enough) for nobody to care....

Landis lost 10 minutes while going at maximum effort. Vino lost over a half hour by taking it easy.

Actually, one of the official prosecutorial statements at Landis' hearing was that his good/bad/good results were indicative of doping. Now anytime a rider has a surpringly good result (other examples: Linus Gerdemann on stage 8, Juan Soler in stage 10), is it any wonder that Fred Q. Fan wonders the same thing?

TCS

Delomiti points out the difference... bonking/cracking vs stopping before you bonk

Nothing to loose now. Just get stage wins. Let load up on some testy!

anyone agree?

Maybe not, then again.

Even though it was about another stage, turns out your question was a valid one -- despite the Botto hysterics.....

Congratulations.

You've just created the most asinine thread of the day.

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INCORRECT:

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/07/24/sports/EU-SPT-CYC-Tour-de-France-Vinokourov-Doping.php

Botto: congratulations on winning most ill-timed post of the year award.

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your feigned boredom is now boring. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

so boring you felt the urge to reply. :rolleyes:

for example

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Botto. Has been absolutely spectacular with his calls this year. Between Ras not having any chance to win the TdF and this thread its been truly classic.

Show me where i wrote that Rasmussen wouldn't win the Tour. You can't.

While you're at it, work on your reading comprehension skills, because the OP was about yesterdays stage, and Vinokourov tested positive for the TT.

Botto sounds a little defensive here.;)

Hair-splitting at it's finest...

I guess this thread wasn't quite so asinine after all.

Show me where i wrote that Rasmussen wouldn't win the Tour. You can't.

While you're at it, work on your reading comprehension skills, because the OP was about yesterdays stage, and Vinokourov tested positive for the TT.


Perhaps we should ask this poster to find it...


No way. Very incorrect. Botto said it was not possible; so its most definitely not in the cards. He also added that if you thought that Rasmussen would win the TdF, it means that you know nothing about racing. So don't even think of it.

http://www.bikeforums.net/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=4899588

Botto. Has been absolutely spectacular with his calls this year. Between Ras not having any chance to win the TdF and this thread its been truly classic.


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Perhaps we should ask this poster to find it...






Here it is:

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?p=4858409#post4858409


http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?p=4858409#post4858409

And go back up to the start of the thread....

HEHEHEHEH

Hey Botto, you may have 12k in posts but your monkey post outshines them all!

You walked into it on that one. Very well timed I might add.


Thinking outloud paid off this time heheheh.

Astana Quits Tour!


By Phil Liggett
July 24, 2007

Alexandre Vinokourov’s positive blood test announced Tuesday has stunned everyone from riders to organisers. Since his crash, he has been portrayed as a limping hero of what, so far, has been a marvellous Tour. Now, he seems to have been caught introducing homologous blood into his system just before the time trial he won in demonstrative fashion.

Just one more time!



Congratulations.

You've just created the most asinine thread of the day.

Im just ribbin ya dude :) I just thought of that after he smoked the field after sucking so hard and waiving by to the cameras a day earlier.

Not Flackin ya, just thought my OP was well timed..

perhaps, but at least i'm not making Bullsiht up like the drug troll or SunSwingsLow.

Yeah whatever dude.:rolleyes:

Just take your medicine like a man. Its a sign a weakness when you cant take a little ribbing and HAVE to be right all the time. And right now, you're showing a ton of weakness.

Face it. You didnt think Ras had chance and you got caught with your pants around your ankles in this thread. Happens to the best of us.

I wonder if his test result comes back from his stage 15 victory positive what you will say then?

Yeah whatever dude.:rolleyes:

Just take your medicine like a man. Its a sign a weakness when you cant take a little ribbing and HAVE to be right all the time. And right now, you're showing a ton of weakness.

Face it. You didnt think Ras had chance and you got caught with your pants around your ankles in this thread. Happens to the best of us.


He won't face it. He can't. He's delusional. That's the worst of it. Like you said, happens to the best of us. We all make mistakes. But not Him. Not Botto. Oh, no. :rolleyes:

Once again, show me where I wrote that. You can't.

You said he wouldnt get away again. He did. You were wrong.

ummm...just a thought here...but...Grow Up dude.

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Its all good!

Wow, life advice from a stranger on the internet. That means so much to me, especially with the use of the familiar "dude". :rolleyes:

my guess is that you havent taken the advice from those you trust(evidence this thread), thought you might take it from someone you didnt trust.

oh well, it was worth a try.

As they say....A man is measured by the grace of his defeats more than by the glory of his victories.

incorrect incorrect.

if he had asked the same thing about the TT, THEN i'd be incorrect.

correct.

my guess is that you havent taken the advice from those you trust(evidence this thread), thought you might take it from someone you didnt trust.

oh well, it was worth a try.

As they say....A man is measured by the grace of his defeats more than by the glory of his victories.

Yes, because the intranets is exactly like a battlefield.

Congratulations.

You've just created the most asinine thread of the day.]

Doesn't seem so asinine a few days later...

Doesn't seem so asinine a few days later...

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I can't believe I just read most of this thread.

I want back the 20 points of IQ it cost me to get this far, please.

yea but Cy,, what drew you to the thread is that you didnt understand why I would leave a post like that when he infact was found positive. Then, you checked the date of the original start of the thread and come to the conclusion that my thinking outloud was actually right.

Pretty cool aint it?

thanks for reading the thread! :)

I thought results weren't supposed to be released until the b sample was tested.. or is it because the team pulled out?

incorrect incorrect.

if he had asked the same thing about the TT, THEN i'd be incorrect.

To further support your case, you could point out that the OP was implying doping in the form of Testosterone (if I read their "Testy" comment correctly) and not homologous blood doping. ;)

Good call Fixed!

What I should have said was wonder if he cheated to win? Which is similiar but not the exact same which he did and still makes me look good.

hehe

perhaps, but at least i'm not making Bullsiht up like the drug troll or SunSwingsLow.

I took a cheap jab at Botto for the sake of cheap jabs, but he makes a strong point above.

I thought results weren't supposed to be released until the b sample was tested.. or is it because the team pulled out?

Quote from the Astana team manager:

"We can't condemn Alexandre until we know there has been a clear doping violation, and we have to wait for the result of the 'B' sample," said Biver. "But for us, if his 'A' sample tested positive then he is guilty until the 'B' sample proves otherwise."

http://www.velonews.com/tour2007/news/articles/12915.0.html