Mountain Biking - Ballin' on a budget.
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So let's say you're a rider who wants a bike for urban assault and a general fun bike to play around on. Probably no HUGE drops or big hits at the present time, but possibly in the near future. My only limitation is really my level of confidence at this point. I used to ride lots of technical stuff, but the addition of clipless pedals to my XC riding style has made me lack confidence after some real nasty crashes from being clipped in. Obviously I'll be running flat pedals, seeing as how strangely enough I can hop higher with flat pedals than I can with clips, and have more confidence in riding skinnies and drops since I can bail easy. I have the skills and experience, I just need to get back to the confidence level I was once at.
So really what my question is.... is should I stick with a hardtail? I'm a light weight guy, so lifting a lot of weight of the ground is really an issue to me. But then again I love the feel of a full squishy on those hard drops to flat. I also would like to get into wheel hops and some trials type stuff as well. The light weight would really help with me hopping up on benches, stairs, that kind of thing.. so I'm sorta leaning towards the hardtail. Pedaling efficiency isn't really much of an issue at all.. what's important is that it takes a beating and won't break all the time. Ideally I'd like to purchase just the frame, but I honestly don't want to spend 2 grand on a frame... I'm getting my own place pretty soon so I'd like to keep it fairly inexpensive. Online retailers are always a plus. Also, is the Shiver SC a good fork? Jenson has one on closeout for like 375.. it's a single crown inverted style fork. Most of all it looks beefy and pretty good lookin :o
So any advice for a college freerider on a budget? I want to build the bike myself, so I really just need some frame recommendations. Less than 1000 bucks would be ideal.
07-19-03, 09:09 PM
This one is easy :D...seriously...it is...especially cause you are a small guy.
That would be my top pic in that price range. I think that beats out everything I know of including Norco's and Kona's...however I agree you might want to stick with a ht...but this is a question you have to ask yourself. Do you believe it will help you go bigger? Do you go big enough to warrant it (dually)? Do you really want one?
As for the shiver, one of the best sc's on the market (some would say better than the Z1) but it definately feels different. It is also more race oriented so it isn't the best for single hits. It is super strong so at that price I would go for it.
oooo a frame for a 1000$...wow thats a lot to work with. Ironhorse SGS pro is a top frame and I believe it is in that range. Just about any Norco would do (you won't break one;)). If you ever feel like running a dual crown I would avoid Giant. Heck I think the Bighit comp is in that range too. You have a lot of choices. Find out what you can test ride in your area :)
07-19-03, 09:12 PM
On a side note. If you are serious a pure urban/trial/bmx on a mtb stuff. Stick with a ht. The hits will be cleaner and your skills will get up there. Definately avoid the xc frame geometry though and get something dedicated to that style. I could name them all but seriously Ben at www.unrealcycles.com carries the best, toughest and most reasonable prices. Look through those frames and see if you like anything. If I were to stick strictly to street I would not buy a dually :)
Yeah, mostly it's going to be used on the street. I have 2 XC bikes, one's a hardtail. I'm a pretty smooth rider, but I need a bike with a lower top tube for bunny hopping and drops.. I'm tired of bashing my massive balls on the top tube.
07-19-03, 09:26 PM
If you keep bashing them I am sure they are massive from swelling. For really affordable and a very fun bike look at the .243...sweet little bike and you can get it with all the bmx trimmings (horizontal dropouts and bmx bb) for real strength...just something to consider :)
Yeah, I'd thought about going singlespeed, but I think I'd like a little more versatility than that.
But one thing I like about singlespeeds is that I can bail and not have to worry about thrashing a derailler.
07-19-03, 09:51 PM
Thats a tough one. I feel the same way. I am 100% sure I would go single ring in the front but I like having gears to play with for pedal kicks, wheelie drops etc...thats a tough one. Chain guide would be required for me too...
That is a sweet bike (if I were rich ;)) but I can't stand that dc on ht's ... fugly :)
07-19-03, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by Jim311
DW (the engineer) makes a mean looking bike. That is one bike I would consider buying even through it is in the 1000$ range for the frame in cdn. (it is designed in America and made in canada haha) :)
That Evil looks wicked... the frame alone is like a grand though.. but the geometry looks really sweet and awesome for the technical jumps and high speed manuevers.
When it comes to tires/wheels, what should I be looking for? What's the advantage of a 24 inch wheelset front andrear? What about 26 front and 24 rear? Seems like I'd have a more laid back position with a 24 in the rear, not to mention I'd be able to hop higher on it with the front wheel naturally higher up.
07-19-03, 10:14 PM
Hmmm I would look for urban slicks (maxxis hookworms ;)) and personally I like a proper geometry with 26" front and rear. If you get the right geometry you shouldn't need to fix the geometry by getting a 24" rear tire.
What if your urban involved some slick, wet grass occaisionally? Sometimes we drop walls with slick grass on the top and bottom, but for the most part is all asphalt.
07-20-03, 12:16 AM
Hmmm...then I would go for something else...These are very slick...because you are also doing trials you might want to look into something with a thick sidewall you can run with little air pressure. Since I have only ever run dh tires I can't help you much more than that...sorry
07-20-03, 12:28 PM
i have heard many good things about the specialized p. series. they are rather cheap and would get the job done i think if you just want to start off. i don't have much experience with them but reviews i've read seem to be rather favorable minus a few things you could change out. i'm thinking about getting one soon, but if you have the money to spend those frames from unrealcycles made me drool.
07-20-03, 12:53 PM
Here is a sweet bike to look at...reasonable to buy too :)
07-20-03, 01:29 PM
Also, is the Shiver SC a good fork
No. Of all the Zochs the SC Shiver is the only one that I would not recomend. You would be much better off with a DJ 1 or 2 for the type of riding you want to do. I say this from personal experience and from other riders I ride with.
A good ht can handle drops up to 10' if you know what you are doing and is alot easier to ride trials with then a fs. If you do get a ht I would suggest either a (in your price range)Cove, Brodie, Kona or any company that build ht's for Shore type of riding.
As for FS rigs, take a look at the IronHorse SGS and the Brodie
8-Ball. You also may be able to find an '02 Stinky for $1000 or so.
As for SS rigs, I ride one for my urban, dj and trials. That way I never have a problem with the chain jumping. As for SS rigs check out the DaBomb "Mindbomb". It is a sturdy frame and has the horazontal dropouts so you do not need a tensioner. Also check out Surley. They also make a good frame.
So many cool bikes listed in this thread. Would a triple crown fork be completely overkill for a hardtail? Seems like if I use up 8 inches of freakin travel on the front end I'd be seriously hurting when the rear came down anyway..
07-20-03, 02:09 PM
They do make 6 and 7 inch dc forks. And no dc's do work on some ht's if they are overbuilt for them to not break.
Hey dbd, why don't you like the sc shiver. I have never heard anything bad about them except they sometimes feel noodly.
07-20-03, 05:00 PM
Hey dbd, why don't you like the sc shiver.
Because of the inverted design they have alot more flex and for some reason, at least the ones I have seen, tend to need rebuilding more often then a conventional sc fork. They are also on the heavy side for a sc fork.
Hey Jim311, if you can afford it, take a look at the new Zoch Z150. 6 inches of travel on a single crown. Strong fork unless you endo off a 10' drop. Then this happens ;
07-20-03, 05:24 PM
OUCH!! :o :crash:
07-20-03, 06:03 PM
That is a sweet fork (z1 150). I can't wait till 2004 when I need a new fork and am getting a new frame. I will probably be going dc though, but I haven't quite decided.
07-20-03, 08:40 PM
/me saves the picture
It seemed so appropriate for that picture of the fork :o
07-22-03, 08:51 AM
Hmmm, I wonder if that's covered under warranty?
Ummmm, probably NOT!
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