Armstrong vs. Rasmussen

[xfimpg]

From the bottom of the Alpe-D'Huez stage, who finishes first?

[godspiral]

Ras is better than he was 2 years ago, and finished side by side with him in a tough stage, but I don't know how hard Lance had to push himself that day.

[xfimpg]

Ras is better than he was 2 years ago, and finished side by side with him in a tough stage, but I don't know how hard Lance had to push himself that day.

Yup.
It's a heck of a question.
Anyone else want to take a stab at this one?

[Grasschopper]

Both riders clean? Or both doping?

Oh sorry.....

[robow]

Too many variables to consider and who knows on any given day.

[OrionKhan]

If anything Lance would just out sprint Ras at the finish.

[cibai]

too bad there isnt a mountain they could race on where it keeps going up until one of them cracks.

[timmhaan]

side by side, or TT style? we're assuming no team tactics, right?

[dknight07]

Is Ras on the list of top finishers on it? Pantani is 1, Lance is 2.

[SunSwingsLow]

TT style or Regular Bikes?

Id have to take LA in both anyways. He has a nasty competitive streak that leads me to believe he wouldnt let Ras get away form him. Id say if they did it 5 times it would be a draw 3 times and a LA victory on the other 2.

[OrionKhan]

Is Ras on the list of top finishers on it? Pantani is 1, Lance is 2.

I agree. I think Pantani v. Lance would be a better battle.

[xfimpg]

side by side, or TT style? we're assuming no team tactics, right?

Side by side, mano-a-mano. :)

[vik]

Better yet Armstrong and Rasmussen in a UFC Octagon cage match?...:eek::D

[Devil]

Prime vs prime it's not even close, Lance would win.

[SunSwingsLow]

Prime vs prime it's not even close, Lance would win.


yea...i was just going to qualify it with Prime vs Prime.

+1

[USAZorro]

Mike Ditka eats them all. :p

[serpico7]

Whoever has the better doctor.

[Grasschopper]

Who's got the better doctors?
Is that even a question? I am a huge Armstrong fan but every day that goes by it seems more and more clear you aren't going to challange for the top of the TdF without help. IMO Disco has had the best doctors for some time...and I am SURE they are all focused on cancer research. :(

[gcl8a]

too bad there isnt a mountain they could race on where it keeps going up until one of them cracks.

Loops on Alpe d'Huez until someone cracks...

[40 Cent]

Gotta go with Coppi. He wasn't far off the mark in 1952. Give him an updated bike and some modern drugs...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpe_D%27Huez#Winners_of_the_Alpe_d.27Huez_stage_at_Tour_de_France

Fastest Alpe d'Huez ascents


RankTimeNameYearCountry137' 35"Marco Pantani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Pantani)1997 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Tour_de_France)[/URL] Italy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg)2*37' 36"Lance Armstrong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Armstrong)2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Tour_de_France) United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_the_United_States.svg)338' 00"Marco Pantani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Pantani)1994 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Tour_de_France) Italy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg)438' 01"Lance Armstrong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Armstrong)2001 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Tour_de_France) United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_the_United_States.svg)538' 04"Marco Pantani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Pantani)1995 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Tour_de_France) Italy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg)638' 23"Jan Ullrich (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Ullrich)1997 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Tour_de_France) Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Germany.svg)738' 34"Floyd Landis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_Landis)2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Tour_de_France) United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_the_United_States.svg)838' 35"Andreas Kloden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Kloden)2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Tour_de_France) Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Germany.svg)9*38' 37"Jan Ullrich (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Ullrich)2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Tour_de_France) Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Germany.svg)1039' 02"Richard Virenque (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Virenque)1997 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Tour_de_France) France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_France.svg)1139' 06"Iban Mayo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iban_Mayo)2003 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Tour_de_France) Spain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Spain.svg)12*39' 17"Andreas Klöden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Kl%C3%B6den)2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Tour_de_France) Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Germany.svg)13*39' 21"Jose Azevedo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Azevedo)2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Tour_de_France) Portugal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Portugal.svg)1439' 28"Miguel Indurain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Indurain)1995 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Tour_de_France) Spain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Spain.svg)1539' 28"Alex Zülle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Z%C3%BClle)1995 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Tour_de_France) Switzerland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Switzerland.svg)1639' 30"Bjarne Riis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjarne_Riis)1995 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Tour_de_France) Denmark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Denmark.svg)1739' 44"Gianni Bugno (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gianni_Bugno)1991 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Tour_de_France) Italy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg)1839' 45"Miguel Indurain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Indurain)1991 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Tour_de_France) Spain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Spain.svg)1940' 00"Jan Ullrich (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Ullrich)2001 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Tour_de_France) Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Germany.svg)2040' 46"Fränk Schleck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A4nk_Schleck)2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Tour_de_France) Luxembourg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Luxembourg.svg)2140' 51"Alexander Vinokourov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Vinokourov)2003 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Tour_de_France) Kazakhstan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Kazakhstan.svg)2241' 18"Lance Armstrong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Armstrong)2003 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Tour_de_France) [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States"]United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_the_United_States.svg)2341' 50"Laurent Fignon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurent_Fignon)1989 France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France)2441' 50"Lucho Herrara (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lucho_Herrara&action=edit)1986 Colombia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombia)2542' 15"Pedro Delgado (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Delgado)1989 Spain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain)2645' 20"Gert-Jan Theunisse (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gert-Jan_Theunisse&action=edit)1989 Netherlands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands)2745' 22"Fausto Coppi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fausto_Coppi)1952 Italy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy)2848' 00"Greg Lemond (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Lemond)1986 United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)2948' 00"Bernard Hinault (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Hinault)1986 France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France)

[iab]

I'll go with Eddy.

[40 Cent]

I'll go with Eddy.

yeah, they seemed to skirt it in the Eddy years.

[iab]

Also, what's the deal with the Alpe D'Huez worship? If you want to man-up, try the Monte Zoncolan (length: 10.1k, gain: 1203m, avg: 11.9%, max: max: 22%).


http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/giro07/graphics/profile17a.gif

[iab]

Mike Ditka eats them all. :p

Mini Ditka or regular-sized Ditka?

[ggg300]

Seabiscuit

[SpongeDad]

Mini Ditka or regular-sized Ditka?

Mini Ditka for the climbs

[yellowjeep]

Also, what's the deal with the Alpe D'Huez worship? If you want to man-up, try the Monte Zoncolan (length: 10.1k, gain: 1203m, avg: 11.9%, max: max: 22%).


http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/giro07/graphics/profile17a.gif


wow, where is that ?

edit: italy im dumb.

is this the climb that was partialy gravle untill like last year?

[iab]

^^^^
Stage 17, 2007 Giro d'Italia.

[godspiral]

Alpe d'Huez worship is about it holding 1M people on fat roads with tourist facilities. All the HC climbs of the past 3 days were harder, I think.

[Devil]

Also, what's the deal with the Alpe D'Huez worship? If you want to man-up, try the Monte Zoncolan (length: 10.1k, gain: 1203m, avg: 11.9%, max: max: 22%).


http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/giro07/graphics/profile17a.gif

How about the Angliru? I keep hoping that the Vuelta organizers include it but they never do anymore. It makes the Zoncolan look like a category 2 climb.

[ttopaz]

Also, what's the deal with the Alpe D'Huez worship? If you want to man-up, try the Monte Zoncolan (length: 10.1k, gain: 1203m, avg: 11.9%, max: max: 22%).


http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/giro07/graphics/profile17a.gif

Maybe you should think about it before posting. Alpe D'Huez 'worship' is not because of the elevation or length, but of the legendary races that took place there!

[Bantam]

Marco beats them both.
Nothing agaist LA, but he ONLY raced le Tour.
God points start with a Giro/Tour double.

[iab]

Maybe you should think about it before posting. Alpe D'Huez 'worship' is not because of the elevation or length, but of the legendary races that took place there!

Wow, thank you for the history lesson, I guess I am completely ignorant. I guess there were no other "legendary" races in the first 70 years of the tour of the Tour because it only saw Alpe D'Huez once. I guess every other climb in the last 30 years pales in comparison. Nearly all of the greatest riders of the Tour never won on Alpe D'Huez, I suppose that adds to the legend. I guess "legendary" rides are done by non-GC riders.

The hype about that hill is based on one or two great performances in the last few years, with absolutely no basis in history or legend. It is all marketing BS and shows the painfully short memory of the public.

[Hammertoe]

Also, what's the deal with the Alpe D'Huez worship? If you want to man-up, try the Monte Zoncolan (length: 10.1k, gain: 1203m, avg: 11.9%, max: max: 22%).


http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/giro07/graphics/profile17a.gif



Why not Mt. Washington in our own back yard (length: 12.2k, gain: 1441m, avg: 11.9%, max: max: 22%)

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e211/Hammertoe6566/mtwasington.jpg

[ttopaz]

Wow, thank you for the history lesson, I guess I am completely ignorant. I guess there were no other "legendary" races in the first 70 years of the tour of the Tour because it only saw Alpe D'Huez once. I guess every other climb in the last 30 years pales in comparison. Nearly all of the greatest riders of the Tour never won on Alpe D'Huez, I suppose that adds to the legend. I guess "legendary" rides are done by non-GC riders.

The hype about that hill is based on one or two great performances in the last few years, with absolutely no basis in history or legend. It is all marketing BS and shows the painfully short memory of the public.

Sorry, but the 'lelgendary' IS decided by the public, not you. I think that Giro d'Italia is a great race, but most of the public (that doesn't include only cyclists) doesn't care about it as much as TDF.
Stage 10 of 2007 Giro d'Italia was one of the best I've ever seen, but I'm cyclist and do care about this.
Anyway, the thread was about Armstrong vs. Rasmussen that are not related in any way to Giro d'Italia.:rolleyes:

[iab]

Sorry, but the 'lelgendary' IS decided by the public, not you.

I guess it is too much to ask a cycling enthusiast to consider there may have been some great races before the Lance era and there will be some after.

[iab]

I think that Giro d'Italia is a great race, but most of the public (that doesn't include only cyclists) doesn't care about it compared to TDF.


I know about 58,000,000 Italians who may disagree.

[ttopaz]

And how all this related to 'Armstrong vs. Rasmussen'?

[iab]

That question is as stupid as our pissing match.;)

[ttopaz]

Actually, it is more like 'my mountain is bigger than yours'.
And your original post was 'My mountain is bigger than all of yours'.:D

[PepsiMan]

the answer is little ditka would get smoked up l'alpe by chuck norris and they'd both be cracking open a beer at the top while armstrong was dominating ras about half-way up the mountain.

[C_Heath]

Both riders clean? Or both doping?

Oh sorry.....

LOL!