Smoothie104
07-27-07, 06:18 AM
People take drugs to run the 100m sprint. On that logic if we shorten it to 82.7m runners won't dope? Bull****.
exactly
exactly
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07-27-07, 10:02 AM
Suddenly Al is a doping expert.
He's not even a cycling expert. :rolleyes:
... Brad
He's not even a cycling expert. :rolleyes:
... Brad
maddyfish
07-27-07, 10:14 AM
I disagree. In my experience, and in that of many others I know, it is very common to have an "off" day lifting weights or cycling, when you feel like you just can't do anything well. For me it is just as common for the next day to be much better. There are a million things that can affect performance, from how much sleep you got the night before, to how well you ate, and on and on. The fact that an athlete performs well a day after performing poorly is not evidence at all of doping in my opinion. It doesn't mean the athlete hasn't doped, but it certainly doesn't mean he has. I would find it more unusual to be completely consistent in athlete ability day in and day out, than to have inconsistent performances.
I will have to agree with this. Most of the time I am average at best, once a week I stink, and every once in while, once or twice a year, for no real reason I can think of, I ride like a god.
I will have to agree with this. Most of the time I am average at best, once a week I stink, and every once in while, once or twice a year, for no real reason I can think of, I ride like a god.
Dubbayoo
07-27-07, 10:17 AM
I think Paul, Bob and Phil are doing a great job. They know exactly what guys are doing. They are trying to inform the viewing public about what goes on with adding fuel to the fire that's killing the sport. They're trying to get people to believe some riders are clean and I'm glad they are. Al has no vested interest in the sport so he's more willing to say they're all cheats.
DMF
07-27-07, 01:17 PM
"The blood clot was discovered after he crashed and went into convulsions during the first stage of the 2004 Vuelta a Asturias."
Oh c'mon! That makes it sound like the clot might have pre-dated the crash. But AC received major head injuries in the crash and now has a large titanium plate in his head.
Oh c'mon! That makes it sound like the clot might have pre-dated the crash. But AC received major head injuries in the crash and now has a large titanium plate in his head.
julian
07-27-07, 02:08 PM
He's not even a cycling expert. :rolleyes:
... Brad
What is a cycling expert? Cycling is not exactly rocket science. What does it take to become a cycling expert? Besides the whole point is not only cycling but doping. Are Bob, Paul and Phil doping experts too?
I think Al is being much more realistic than the other three vis a vis doping. Do you really think Levi and Contador never doped?
I would like to believe there are a few clean riders on the tour but I seriously doubt that. I think the clean riders gave up a long time ago.
Greg Lemond who I would consider a cycling expert pretty much feels the same way as Al does. As much as Greg has been vilified, it becomes clearer by the day that he was right on in his accusations.
... Brad
What is a cycling expert? Cycling is not exactly rocket science. What does it take to become a cycling expert? Besides the whole point is not only cycling but doping. Are Bob, Paul and Phil doping experts too?
I think Al is being much more realistic than the other three vis a vis doping. Do you really think Levi and Contador never doped?
I would like to believe there are a few clean riders on the tour but I seriously doubt that. I think the clean riders gave up a long time ago.
Greg Lemond who I would consider a cycling expert pretty much feels the same way as Al does. As much as Greg has been vilified, it becomes clearer by the day that he was right on in his accusations.
bac
07-27-07, 02:19 PM
What is a cycling expert? Cycling is not exactly rocket science. What does it take to become a cycling expert? Besides the whole point is not only cycling but doping. Are Bob, Paul and Phil doping experts too?
Julian ..... are your real initials "AT"? LOL
Hey, I just like to kid the Troutster. He's a hired gun that's not from the sport, that's all.
... Brad
Julian ..... are your real initials "AT"? LOL
Hey, I just like to kid the Troutster. He's a hired gun that's not from the sport, that's all.
... Brad
Voodoo76
07-27-07, 08:00 PM
Julian ..... are your real initials "AT"? LOL
Hey, I just like to kid the Troutster. He's a hired gun that's not from the sport, that's all.
... Brad
Al's perspective as "not from the sport" is important if the objective is to bring the story to the non-cycling public. If the objective is preaching to the choir, and downplaying the obvious then the other three are fine on their own.
He is only echoing what is being said by those who's livelihood does not depend on professional cycling. Questions and perceptions that deserve to be adressed.
I agree that as this plays out its obvious that Mr. LeMond has been spot on from day one.
Hey, I just like to kid the Troutster. He's a hired gun that's not from the sport, that's all.
... Brad
Al's perspective as "not from the sport" is important if the objective is to bring the story to the non-cycling public. If the objective is preaching to the choir, and downplaying the obvious then the other three are fine on their own.
He is only echoing what is being said by those who's livelihood does not depend on professional cycling. Questions and perceptions that deserve to be adressed.
I agree that as this plays out its obvious that Mr. LeMond has been spot on from day one.
'nother
07-27-07, 08:21 PM
Al's perspective as "not from the sport" is important if the objective is to bring the story to the non-cycling public.
Oh, but it's *NOT* important. Life was better back in the days when only True Fans cared about cycling, and only other people who knew the Secret Handshake talked about cycling.
Oh, but it's *NOT* important. Life was better back in the days when only True Fans cared about cycling, and only other people who knew the Secret Handshake talked about cycling.
pgoat
07-30-07, 07:40 AM
What is a cycling expert? Cycling is not exactly rocket science. What does it take to become a cycling expert?
my signature says it all. I bet Trautwig would have a conniption if someone asked Derek Jeter what it was like to be a major league pitcher for the New York Mets. I suffered through Al's similar spiels with the long-suffering Bobby Murcer, Jim Kaat and Ken Singleton during Yankees' broadcasts. Like Roll and Sherwan, those ex-major leaguers are experts, or at least qualified to comment, because they actually competed as pros. Ligett at least is an veteran amateur rider and certainly has enough tours under his belt to deserve his say.
Not saying they are always right. But I value three educated opinions more than a loud obnoxious uneducated one. I don't mind someone bringing the layman's voice to the table (others like Bob Costas have done the same), but have some respect, shut your yap once in a while and do some frigging homework before talking to the greatest cyclist in history.........
my two cents on the doping damage control, I think all 4 were doing what they could to pump up the Positive PR on the sport, at least on the last two stages. This was rather obvious, but necessary I guess. Levi's ride certainly helped (was he clean? I saw him suck down an energy gel in the start tent.....) I kinda hated the Vino/Ras bashing too. Especially since most of the 140-odd riders left were prolly still using something or another. They even excluded them from the "scenes of the tour" montages. I noticed they did not Floyd bash, which i found disturbingly nationalistic.........in for a penny, in for a pound?
my signature says it all. I bet Trautwig would have a conniption if someone asked Derek Jeter what it was like to be a major league pitcher for the New York Mets. I suffered through Al's similar spiels with the long-suffering Bobby Murcer, Jim Kaat and Ken Singleton during Yankees' broadcasts. Like Roll and Sherwan, those ex-major leaguers are experts, or at least qualified to comment, because they actually competed as pros. Ligett at least is an veteran amateur rider and certainly has enough tours under his belt to deserve his say.
Not saying they are always right. But I value three educated opinions more than a loud obnoxious uneducated one. I don't mind someone bringing the layman's voice to the table (others like Bob Costas have done the same), but have some respect, shut your yap once in a while and do some frigging homework before talking to the greatest cyclist in history.........
my two cents on the doping damage control, I think all 4 were doing what they could to pump up the Positive PR on the sport, at least on the last two stages. This was rather obvious, but necessary I guess. Levi's ride certainly helped (was he clean? I saw him suck down an energy gel in the start tent.....) I kinda hated the Vino/Ras bashing too. Especially since most of the 140-odd riders left were prolly still using something or another. They even excluded them from the "scenes of the tour" montages. I noticed they did not Floyd bash, which i found disturbingly nationalistic.........in for a penny, in for a pound?