View Full Version : Jens Voigt fed up - some good quotes
acrafton
07-26-07, 07:22 AM
From Cycling News, Jens Voigt makes these comments:
"I am fed up with this. They make our life difficult and complicated. Through their obvious stupidity, they risk the existence of the teams, including soigneurs, mechanics, bus drivers and so on."
"These people go home now and hide behind their attorneys. But I stand here on the front line. I have to answer all the questions and talk about doping. And I don't have anything to do with it."
- think Ivan Basso who 'attempted to dope' or brainiac Floyd Landis
"The sit-in strike before the start was great," he said sarcastically. "It just happened to have been organized by Moreni's team. That was really a good one!"
- it is quite funny when you think abou it
donrhummy
07-26-07, 08:51 AM
"The sit-in strike before the start was great," he said sarcastically. "It just happened to have been organized by Moreni's team. That was really a good one!"
Yes, THIS is the best quote I've seen so far. The indignation, the proclamations of drug-free status all mean nothing. They're no more "clean" than the guys thrown out.
FixdGearHead
07-26-07, 09:22 AM
Ahh Jens! I was hoping for a few f-bombs in those quotes. God I love that guy.
I have a serious man-crush on Jensy!
Buckeye Bob
07-26-07, 10:03 AM
Ya, Jens is the man.
VT Biker
07-26-07, 10:28 AM
From Cycling News, Jens Voigt makes these comments:
"I am fed up with this. They make our life difficult and complicated. Through their obvious stupidity, they risk the existence of the teams, including soigneurs, mechanics, bus drivers and so on."
"These people go home now and hide behind their attorneys. But I stand here on the front line. I have to answer all the questions and talk about doping. And I don't have anything to do with it."
- think Ivan Basso who 'attempted to dope' or brainiac Floyd Landis
"The sit-in strike before the start was great," he said sarcastically. "It just happened to have been organized by Moreni's team. That was really a good one!"
- it is quite funny when you think abou it
I would like him to clarify what he meant by this...stupidy for doping, or stupidy in getting caught?
donrhummy
07-26-07, 10:43 AM
I would like him to clarify what he meant by this...stupidy for doping, or stupidy in getting caught?
He could also be talking about the organizers.
acrafton
07-26-07, 10:45 AM
I would like him to clarify what he meant by this...stupidy for doping, or stupidy in getting caught?
Funny you mention that. . .when Vino got thrown out Bobke was more shocked at how stupid Vino was for blood doping and getting caught than cheating. . .the context was almost "Vino, come on, there are better ways to dope and you could have used them. . . ."
VT Biker
07-26-07, 10:56 AM
I am not so thrilled by Jens Voigt's comments.
Helmet Head
07-26-07, 10:59 AM
I would like him to clarify what he meant by this...stupidy for doping, or stupidy in getting caught?
He's in the pro peloton so what he means is stupidity for doping in a way that is know to be detectable by tests or controls.
FixdGearHead
07-26-07, 11:02 AM
I am not so thrilled by Jens Voigt's comments.
How so?
Helmet Head
07-26-07, 11:02 AM
Funny you mention that. . .when Vino got thrown out Bobke was more shocked at how stupid Vino was for blood doping and getting caught than cheating. . .the context was almost "Vino, come on, there are better ways to dope and you could have used them. . . ."
I saw Bobke in person last fall in San Diego. He made a revealing comment about Frankie Andreu who at the time was speaking out against doping, admitting to his own cheating, and talking about others doing it. Bob said Frankie should "shut the F up".
There is a code of silence in the pro peloton and when anyone tries to break it, as Simeoni did a few years ago, the others (lead by Lance in that case) turn against him.
FixdGearHead
07-26-07, 11:17 AM
To be honest, my take is:
Certain cyclist are always going to rely on illegal performance-enhancing practices, and a fraction of those are inevitably going to get caught. Those who use, and don't get caught...personally, I agree with Bobke...shut the F up.
Live with your guilt (if you have any) and don't come out later - in the end, it hurts the sport a helluva lot more than the undetected doping.
Bob said Frankie should "shut the F up".
There is a code of silence in the pro peloton ..
Pffft! Bobke's point is that there's no point in digging up the past. There's no evidence one way or the other, and no remedy! All such speculation does is poison the present.
bbattle
07-26-07, 11:38 AM
Pffft! Bobke's point is that there's no point in digging up the past. There's no evidence one way or the other, and no remedy! All such speculation does is poison the present.
True. Andrieu was trying to make some money.
I hope a lot more cyclists get fed up with the doping and do what they can to shame the cheaters or those thinking about cheating. The teams can do their part like Rabobank and put a serious financial hurt on the cheaters. The organizations can also make it very painful financially and professionally for the cheaters. The labs will keep working to develop better testing methods(hopefully get their quality assurance in order, too).
cydewaze
07-26-07, 11:46 AM
I used to have Jens as my avatar. He's my fav.
FixdGearHead
07-26-07, 11:50 AM
There are very few good cycling ads...one of them is the Cervelo ad of Jens:
"Jens Voight. Established 1971. Proven ever since"
Cerberusgl
07-26-07, 11:59 AM
It seems like any quote from a Pro-rider could be taken one way if they are doping and another if they are clean or based on are perception of which catagory they fall into.
donrhummy
07-26-07, 12:19 PM
What about Zabel? No one suspected him.
merlinextraligh
07-26-07, 02:16 PM
True. Andrieu was trying to make some money.
How do you come to that conclusion? Andrieu's wife testified under oath, under subpeona, then Andrieu went public after the **** storm rained on him for it.
There was no profit whatsoever for Andrieu. He lost his Director Sportif position, and he put his OLN, now VS, gig in jeopardy. Crossing Lance Armstrong is not the quick route to profit in Cycling.
How do you come to that conclusion? Andrieu's wife testified under oath, under subpeona, then Andrieu went public after the **** storm rained on him for it.
Hmmm...because he only mentioned Lance.
If Andieu was really serious about trying to get doping out of cycling, he would have named EVERYONE involved in his procurement of illegal substances to eliminate them from the sport rather than try to indict one high profile team mate, who's friendship he had lost (revenge, a dish best served cold?). Funny how none of the caught dopers give up their sources even after their claimed "reformation". When they do, cleaning up the sport will be easier (hint, hint, David Millar).
geraldatwork
07-26-07, 02:43 PM
From Cycling News, Jens Voigt makes these comments:
"I am fed up with this. They make our life difficult and complicated. Through their obvious stupidity, they risk the existence of the teams, including soigneurs, mechanics, bus drivers and so on."
"These people go home now and hide behind their attorneys. But I stand here on the front line. I have to answer all the questions and talk about doping. And I don't have anything to do with it."
- think Ivan Basso who 'attempted to dope' or brainiac Floyd Landis
"The sit-in strike before the start was great," he said sarcastically. "It just happened to have been organized by Moreni's team. That was really a good one!"
- it is quite funny when you think abou it
This is a photo from the sit in strike just before the stage started. I think from the way the riders were looking at Rasmussen they were pretty pissed off at him and the other dopers. Maybe there is hope.
FixdGearHead
07-26-07, 02:46 PM
None of those riders are looking at MR
This is a photo from the sit in strike just before the stage started. I think from the way the riders were looking at Rasmussen they were pretty pissed off at him and the other dopers. Maybe there is hope.
Awesome point! I brought up the same thing with my wife when we saw that photo. Even if the protest was organized by Rabobank, don't you think the honest riders on that team feel the most cheated, and motivated, to take a stand against doping?
geraldatwork
07-26-07, 02:59 PM
None of those riders are looking at MR
To my eye it looks like at least two and possibly another are looking at him. Their folded arms shows their disgust. Rasmussen is looking away trying not to make any eye contact. I think the photo says a lot.
VT Biker
07-26-07, 03:01 PM
Bobke in my opinion should be the one shutting the f' up. Digging up the past and making current dopers realize that there is potential future personal pain for cheating is one of the best incentives NOT to dope.
The Code of Silence is in many ways one of the biggest reasons for the current doping scandals. No one is willing to say anything, because they get blackballed. But if enough athletes start to come out, and enough break the code of silence, the tide will turn, and anyone not openly outing dopers will be frowned upon.
The Code of Silence is in many ways one of the biggest reasons for the current doping scandals. No one is willing to say anything, because they get blackballed. But if enough athletes start to come out, and enough break the code of silence, the tide will turn, and anyone not openly outing dopers will be frowned upon.
Thor Hushovd kind intimated that there are cyclists that will be implicating the guilty soon in an interview about the doping protest at the Tour (edited by the Tour to exclude it). I certainly hope it happens, for the reasons you listed.
FixdGearHead
07-26-07, 03:07 PM
Bobke in my opinion should be the one shutting the f' up. Digging up the past and making current dopers realize that there is potential future personal pain for cheating is one of the best incentives NOT to dope.
The Code of Silence is in many ways one of the biggest reasons for the current doping scandals. No one is willing to say anything, because they get blackballed. But if enough athletes start to come out, and enough break the code of silence, the tide will turn, and anyone not openly outing dopers will be frowned upon.
<sarcasm>Totally; if I were a young pro cyclist and I saw the story of someone, such as Zabel, come out and confess...I would totally be discouraged to dope.</sarcasm>
Jens for Tour director! (seriously, you've gots to love the Voightmiester!)
... Brad
harlond
07-27-07, 10:14 AM
None of those riders are looking at MR+1. The photo foreshortens things and gives that impression, but the video I saw does not give the same impression.
Scout Sniper
07-27-07, 11:16 AM
Awesome point! I brought up the same thing with my wife when we saw that photo. Even if the protest was organized by Rabobank, don't you think the honest riders on that team feel the most cheated, and motivated, to take a stand against doping?
Honest riders? Seriously... how many "honest riders" do you think there are in the pro peloton? My money is on very few.
This is similar (BUT NOT THE SAME SEVERITY AS...) to berating a fellow employee for stealing a No. 2 pencil from work. "I am appalled that you would STEAL from work. UNBELIEVABLE!!!" Meanwhile every single person in the world has taken something from work, no matter how trivial or infrequent.
You don't make it into the pro peloton without having broken a few of the rules to get there. Especially the ones regarding illegal or illicit substances and/or physiological procedures. They've all taken a PED at some point in there career. The hypocrisy is wide spread throughout the sport.
How am I going to sit there and watch the team leader take illegal substances into his body time after time, knowing the DS knows, and all the other teammates know and probably do it themselves? I'm either going to partake myself or turn a blind eye to it and not do it myself. Either way I lose the right to publicly hold them in contempt six months later when they get outed.
If there is one pro out there that is "clean" and I mean 100% clean in every way for their entire life and they aren't aware of anybody who "cheats" first hand, I would be shocked. If they're clean, but know of other riders who "cheat" and don't come out about it when they learn of it, then they lose the privilege to publicly decry the "cheaters" AND they should just shut up about the whole subject forever.
Sir-Lanceimnot
07-27-07, 12:04 PM
The bottom line is, DOPERS SUCK! Every one of them should be banned.
The sad part is until the fans, riders, team directors, and UCI ALL want to stop doping there will always be doping.
I would love to see dopers band for 5 years (effectively ending most riders careers) as well as loose there years salary.
There will always be those who try to cheat the system but I feel with change we can make them the minority instead of the majority.
PS: Jens Voigt is the man!
VT Biker
07-27-07, 12:43 PM
Completely agree on the 5 years or more ban.
Rasmussan was crying about how his career was over. But he was 32 anyways, and after 32, your career as a GC threat declines anyways. What you need is for a young rider to realize that at 25, if he gets caught, his career is over before it begins. But right now, a guy like Millar can be caught, and then come back at age 30 and still be somewhat competitive.
Basso is the same thing. He will come back at 30/31, and still have a shot at the GC in the Tour.
Sir-Lanceimnot
07-27-07, 02:35 PM
Completely agree on the 5 years or more ban.
Rasmussan was crying about how his career was over. But he was 32 anyways, and after 32, your career as a GC threat declines anyways. What you need is for a young rider to realize that at 25, if he gets caught, his career is over before it begins. But right now, a guy like Millar can be caught, and then come back at age 30 and still be somewhat competitive.
Basso is the same thing. He will come back at 30/31, and still have a shot at the GC in the Tour.
That is my point exactly. It needs to be made so the risk is not worth the reward.
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